RTDragon Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ChaosCalix said: Haven't seen the article, but yeah. The General Discussion board was locked to game owners very early in order to block a lot of discussion. Apparently if you don't own it, you don't have a right to talk about it :V One problem with that mindset since he thinks he can block criticism about his game. He does'nt realize that he's only harming his own reputation as a game developer. The siliconera article with the comments sums this up. http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/11/anthropomorphic-characters-star-in-new-visual-novel-majorminor/ Also wrote a review on the demo of the game noticing some of the exact signs i've seen in rpg maker games in greenlight. Edited December 12, 2015 by RTDragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Haha. HAHAHAHA. Right. Greedy. Also, -reads article- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ChaosCalix said: Haha. HAHAHAHA. Right. Greedy. Also, -reads article- Oh wow i think that should be posted on steam reviews. Cause now i do wonder if the artist who drew these characters actually got paid royalties for this? Cause talk about entitlement. First you use a program you have no experience with, on top of encrypted assets to boot. and now this. Edited December 12, 2015 by RTDragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RTDragon said: Oh wow i think that should be posted on steam reviews. Cause now i do wonder if the artist who drew these characters actually got paid royalties for this? Cause talk about entitlement. First you use a program you have no experience with, on top of encrypted assets to boot. and now this. They likely did not. EDIT: Whoops, you meant the actual artist. Uh. I'm not sure if they have an agreement to just pay a lot up front, or pay a cut from sales and what not. It hasn't been mentioned anywhere (unsurprisingly, and that's fair) Also, we're hoarding evidence at the moment. I won't be posting that on Steam myself - yet - but I can't stop anyone else. I have a google document which has been used while contacting Jim Sterling about shitty steam/developer practices. Edited December 12, 2015 by ChaosCalix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Which is really disapointing considering looking at the artist gallery is nice but VN tend to have emotions and several good examples of visual novels would be Morenatsu and Bara-Diction Ocean Story & Paws of Steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 2 minutes ago, RTDragon said: Which is really disapointing considering looking at the artist gallery is nice but VN tend to have emotions and several good examples of visual novels would be Morenatsu and Bara-Diction Ocean Story & Paws of Steel. As much as I love shitting all over this, I will say he has claimed they'll be coming. Which only reinforces my opinion that this shouldn't be out of Early Access, even if it IS treated as Episodic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 10 minutes ago, ChaosCalix said: As much as I love shitting all over this, I will say he has claimed they'll be coming. Which only reinforces my opinion that this shouldn't be out of Early Access, even if it IS treated as Episodic. I have to agree here i tend to avoid any early access games on steam since often most tend to be incomplete. Unless your very experienced at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Agreed. I HAVE played some great Early Access games before (Space Engineers is one of them)... but still. That category exists for a reason, and until Chapter 1 can be considered functionally and asset-wise "Complete", this should stay within that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 1 hour ago, RTDragon said: Which is really disapointing considering looking at the artist gallery is nice but VN tend to have emotions and several good examples of visual novels would be Morenatsu and Bara-Diction Ocean Story & Paws of Steel. That's one of the problems I have with it. It's hard to tell when someone is distressed or angry. Like the cat Elcair, you can tell her emotions go from 11 to 0 as soon as she finds out on who made the reservation for you. The fact that cat-lady remains ":D" with the added bedroom eyes effect is....uncomfortable. You would think for all that effort that the artist would just overlap a layer with different emotions for the 22 characters. it isn't hard. 1 hour ago, ChaosCalix said: Haha. HAHAHAHA. Right. Greedy. Also, -reads article- Pretty much. And it was obvious from the creator of the Sergal species having a list of rules for those who are going to make commercial profit using the species from the get go. http://goldring.wikia.com/wiki/Terms_of_Use_and_Copyrights 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Sergals suck anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Klace is auctioning off the open spot since the sergal character had to be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Have you guys noticed that Klace has his own WikiFur page? It looks like he wrote all of it himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 1 minute ago, Azurex said: Have you guys noticed that Klace has his own WikiFur page? It looks like he wrote all of it himself Usually furries do write it themselves. :V 1 minute ago, 6tails said: He's just fucking himself harder. That will seal the Bait and Switch and False/Misleading Advertising charges. Pretty much. Instead of seeing if the original person who had the spot has another OC, or work with him to create another, he sells it. Kind of a dick move on his part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 1 minute ago, Azurex said: Have you guys noticed that Klace has his own WikiFur page? It looks like he wrote all of it himself It was linked earlier in this thread and I laughed just as hard back then as when I reopened it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) I would'nt be surprised if he tried to write a page about his game considering all the damage he has done to his reputation as a game developer. This is only adding fuel to the fire especially the copyright claim. Edited December 12, 2015 by RTDragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Just now, Zeke said: Usually furries do write it themselves. :V lol, what's stopping any nobody with a donut steel OC from writing one then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, 6tails said: Nothing, that's why I usually don't trust wikis that anyone an edit. WIKI = What I Know Is And what most people know is jack shit. I actually thought WikiFur had some standard of quality, but after clicking through some random pages, it became clear that anybody can make one for their own character and themselves, even if they're not of any significance within the community ... That's kinda sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, Azurex said: I actually thought WikiFur had some standard of quality, but after clicking through some random pages, it became clear that anybody can make one for their own character and themselves, even if they're not of any significance within the community ... That's kinda sad Why the fuck would you ever think that? The whole website is literally people writing articles about themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: Why the fuck would you ever think that? The whole website is literally people writing articles about themselves. I used to enjoy reading up on the various cons and their history, and sometimes I'd read the pages of actual significant members in the community. I thought that's what it was all about, but I guess I was wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RTDragon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 9 minutes ago, Zeke said: There's quite a difference between creating a personal character based on a species and selling it to make a video game. You really can't do that especially from on the artist page and this. Really not that hard to read. http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mick39/ http://goldring.wikia.com/wiki/Terms_of_Use_and_Copyrights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 minute ago, 6tails said: To note, the CC 4.0 International license actualy DOES allow for commercial exploitation - AS LONG AS THE LICENSE IS FOLLOWED. That means proper attribution to the copyright holder among other things. Since Klace did not do that, Trancy Mick was free to demand royalties. Not to mention those prices for percentage are not even that bad. And he does have a right to demand royalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 And of course Rook is white knighting. Guy has more money than brains and now he has to defend his master every chance he gets. There's no way he could've invested in the wrong thing, right? Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I do wonder who this Rook is considering i've played the demo of this game are all these fursona oc in the game this pathetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 minute ago, RTDragon said: I do wonder who this Rook is considering i've played the demo of this game are all these fursona oc in the game this pathetic? Considering his posting style on his FB, he's a crass prick that utilizes sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonixbat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hearing about all this stupidness from the creator makes me worry if the artist for the game is getting paid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 minute ago, pheonixbat said: Hearing about all this stupidness from the creator makes me worry if the artist for the game is getting paid... Who is the artist for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonixbat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, Onnes said: Who is the artist for this? Apparently this person http://www.furaffinity.net/user/pawziclawzi but a lot of the people featured in the game only linked toKlace or the game and not the artist which I find sorta shitty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, pheonixbat said: Apparently this person http://www.furaffinity.net/user/pawziclawzi but a lot of the people featured in the game only linked toKlace or the game and not the artist which I find sorta shitty. Wow, are they even mentioned anywhere in association with the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 minute ago, Onnes said: Wow, are they even mentioned anywhere in association with the game? Sadly not cause usually when i play rpg maker games i've see the credits either at the beginning end or as an option on the title screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, RTDragon said: Sadly not cause usually when i play rpg maker games i've see the credits either at the beginning end or as an option on the title screen. "yeah but at least your art will get exposure" :v 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Oh boy, another visual novel with one-dimensional character personalities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonixbat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, evan said: "yeah but at least your art will get exposure" :v This phrase is my undoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, evan said: "yeah but at least your art will get exposure" :v Still your supposed to add credits to what you used in the games especially if you comissioned custom artwork or tilesets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, RTDragon said: Still your supposed to add credits to what you used in the games especially if you comissioned custom artwork or tilesets. Exactly. There's a reason the credits for most games are a mile long. Everyone even remotely associated gets included because it's less trouble to be too generous than too stingy. I'd just skimmed the thing before and didn't even realize that the Klace person had nothing to do with the game art, which I assume dominates the total time spent on the game assets. That takes this whole thing from "stupid" to "what the fuck". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 L O L 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) 31 minutes ago, RTDragon said: Still your supposed to add credits to what you used in the games especially if you comissioned custom artwork or tilesets. no, exactly. I 100% agree with you. i'm just quoting an oversight that a lot of people use to try and get away with it. honestly i'm just gonna take note to avoid this guy based on what's been posted (Klace) Edited December 13, 2015 by evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: L O L Wow, the pressure must be getting to this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonixbat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: L O L "I'm so concerned that people don't have a enough money to give to me!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 5 minutes ago, Azurex said: Wow, the pressure must be getting to this guy This is actually a fairly old screenshot - I believe close to two months old. It's been floating around for a little while, I guess someone posted it again because it's been doing the rounds again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naesaki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Klace is definitely living up to the pop star diva stereotype acting like they are bigger and more popular than they actually are, I'd like to say I'm surprised at seeing this kind of over entitled behaviour but it feels too typical now for certain parts of the fandom Edited December 13, 2015 by Naesaki 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 3 minutes ago, Naesaki said: Klace is definitely living up to the pop star diva stereotype acting like they are bigger and more popular than they actually are, I'd like to say I'm surprised at seeing this kind of over entitled behaviour but it feels too typical now for certain parts of the fandom I've talked to the Steam moderator, Vixus, and they'll attest to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naesaki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, ChaosCalix said: I've talked to the Steam moderator, Vixus, and they'll attest to this. I wonder if Klace will turn out to be as big of a douche as Phil Fish, though thinking about it, don't know if thats possible :v 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTDragon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I wonder if the developer also read the reviews on the demo game as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 21 minutes ago, Naesaki said: I wonder if Klace will turn out to be as big of a douche as Phil Fish, though thinking about it, don't know if thats possible :v At least Phil Fish managed to create something interesting. This just seems like a vanity project. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naesaki Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, Onnes said: At least Phil Fish managed to create something interesting. This just seems like a vanity project. Yeah if they are gonna be a douche, they might as well be an interesting douche :c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Impact Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 hours ago, Azurex said: Have you guys noticed that Klace has his own WikiFur page? It looks like he wrote all of it himself I am older than this guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosCalix Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) 1 minute ago, Imperial Impact said: I am older than this guy... I'm younger, and still have more business sense, common sense, decency, and despite my tag here*, I'm a hell of a lot more humble. Not sure what that says about him, but I don't think it's a good thing. * edit: Thought my tag was still "Obnoxious". Whoops. Edited December 13, 2015 by ChaosCalix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 20 minutes ago, Onnes said: At least Phil Fish managed to create something interesting. This just seems like a vanity project. With the story, indeed it does look like it. It's pretty much an interactive fanfic with you as the star...except your image isn't in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakar-Kerarmor Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 7 hours ago, ChaosCalix said: Haha. HAHAHAHA. Right. Greedy. Also, -reads article- No sergal? Now I'm definitely not getting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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