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I haven't seen the video but I have been archiving your back and forth. @Saxon  you've earned a special place in my cringe folder. I'll probs dump it all on a cringe thread later, elsewhere. Seriously though? Five hours? Holy shit. Maybe I should pull down a copy of the video too and upload it to my channel.

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Continuing responses from the previous thread per mod req.

@Amiir
Making fun of public comments and behavior is commonplace by now.

In this case, I guess literally every Twitter making fun of FA should just go down, too.
I'm sure no one got permission from Neer for posting those images. Or hell, any of them, at any point, at any time.

Also making gross sexual advances (jokingly or not) towards people who never consented to it is a whole different ballgame than screencapping and making fun of public comments, which consent to being viewed by nature of being public.
I shouldn't even need to explain this difference, so I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking for five minutes and coming up with the answer, on your own.

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I'm just gonna repost my response from the other thread.

"@Saxon, you do know what the Streisand effect is right? If you don't let me give a personal example.

A few years ago on ye olde FAF some tryhard fucknugget was going around being "le epik trollz" and attempted to dox certain people and post their info on some retarded tumblr or something. Half the info was wrong, but it included my photo which was attached to my old Facebook account I used to use regularly and a really stupid blurb about how I'm a "degenerate" or something (just in case it wasn't clear already that he was some tryhard from /pol/) because I was trans, which I'm still iffy about telling people irl.

Y'know what happened? Nothing.

I ignored it like a smart person since ultimately nobody gives a single shit (also that tumblr is dead now, although I think it was mirrored on Facebook). Just let it go, cut your losses and forget about it."

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40 minutes ago, Vae said:

Continuing responses from the previous thread per mod req.

@Amiir
Making fun of public comments and behavior is commonplace by now.

In this case, I guess literally every Twitter making fun of FA should just go down, too.
I'm sure no one got permission from Neer for posting those images. Or hell, any of them, at any point, at any time.

Also making gross sexual advances (jokingly or not) towards people who never consented to it is a whole different ballgame than screencapping and making fun of public comments, which consent to being viewed by nature of being public.
I shouldn't even need to explain this difference, so I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt in thinking for five minutes and coming up with the answer, on your own.

I don't need to come up with anything. I did say that the boundaries are different and that's what I was referring to. They're two different things for different reasons but equal at their core. The core is respecting people's preferences, which you aren't doing but heaven forbid if you are the one involved. Now that's what I call double standards.

I knew you didn't like being the object of sexual jokes. I thought those jokes were harmless and that you were getting upset over nothing but since that's not up to me to say, since jokes are a thing so subjective I can't base an objective argument on, since people have their boundaries and rightfully so, I ignored how I thought things were. When a user I won't name made a sexual joke aimed towards you I ensured it be taken down for the sake of common living, to ''keep the peace'' because that is more important to me.

Furthermore, I was contacted by a user that didn't want to be involved in the thread. I had mentioned him and upon request I removed this person from a post I made. Common sense

...Which if you want my opinion seems to be lacking here. Just because one is more lax about stuff doesn't they'll take everything. If one has certain preferences isn't it better to ensure they're respected so to have everyone get along? That's what those who partook in the fuck thread did and that's what you should do now with Saxon, even if it's not as serious, admittedly. Eye for an eye, in a good way. Again, it takes fucking nothing

Back in the fuck thread, we made a joke and you didn't like it. We backed down and opted you out. Now you are making a joke and Saxon doesn't like it. It's only fair to reserve the same treatment we gave you to him as well. Respect his preferences like we respected yours (and with yours I mean those who opted out of the fuck thread in general)

 

40 minutes ago, Vae said:

Making fun of public comments and behavior is commonplace by now.

In this case, I guess literally every Twitter making fun of FA should just go down, too.
I'm sure no one got permission from Neer for posting those images. Or hell, any of them, at any point, at any time.

making sexual jokes is a whole different ballgame than screencapping and making fun of public comments, which consent to being viewed by nature of being public.

My point still stands. Is it written anywhere that one automatically consents to have their comments made fun of if they're public? If you have proof, show it to me and I'll back down, rightfully so. Just because everyone's doing something doesn't automatically make it allowed

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2 minutes ago, Amiir said:

 

 Is it written anywhere that one automatically consents to have their comments made fun of if they're public? 

Well, yes actually. I didn't interpret hidden panes in a porn site to be public, if I'm honest. 

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5 minutes ago, Amiir said:

...Which if you want my opinion seems to be lacking here. Just because one is more lax about stuff doesn't they'll take everything. If one has certain preferences it's everyone's duty as a community to ensure they're respected so to have everyone get along. That's what those who partook in the fuck thread did and that's what you should do now with Saxon, even if it's not as serious, admittedly. Eye for an eye, in a good way. Again, it takes fucking nothing

Then tell Saxon that. He had a mod involved, and was told by both the mod and the creator that it needs to be settled between the two of them and he refused because he made a callous assumption about the other, that it was wholly malicious. That's a very big part of the reason the circumstances are different.

 

You can't stop someone who doesn't talk to you from exploding.

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9 minutes ago, Amiir said:

My point still stands. Is it written anywhere that one automatically consents to have their comments made fun of if they're public? If you have proof, show it to me and I'll back down, rightfully so. Just because everyone's doing something doesn't automatically make it allowed

 

 

I think most would agree that a bunch of people mocking and poking fun at another user's prudishness would generally be regarded as a "Dick move".

 

I don't really get how making fun of Saxon isn't also regarded as being pretty dickish.

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9 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Well, yes actually. I didn't interpret hidden panes in a porn site to be public, if I'm honest. 

Oh come off it. You have a weekly journal about spanking (intended to be sexual) which does bleed over into the community that is not pornographic. I used to only use it for music, and when I was 17 and following you I had no idea that you drew porn. 

Perhaps the source is "private" in itself (last I checked, 18+ is simply adult, not private, and the site is available for anyone's use, so...), but you still expose these principles. Even if he didn't include you in the spanking video, you would have been one of the first people to come to mind because of the fact that you represent as a part of this community very explicitly and to everyone

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1 hour ago, evan said:

He had a mod involved, and was told by both the mod and the creator that it needs to be settled between the two of them and he refused because he made a callous assumption about the other, that it was wholly malicious

If that's true then it's Sax's duty to talk it out with Dev

...Which he just did right now

1 hour ago, Saxon said:

I tried to play it cool at first, but the video actually made me feel really shitty and I think you knew it did (and I suspect that you intended it to). 

You've put a lot of emphasis on how people like being in your videos, but I'm really not comfortable with it; I don't think those sorts of videos should be on youtube in the first place, to be honest. Can you please remove me from the video? 

It's in Dev's hands now to settle this dispute for good.

I can't really blame Saxon, I'd be pretty upset too if someone did that to me

Edit: Maybe I'da handled it differently, but still

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6 minutes ago, Amiir said:

Is it written anywhere that one automatically consents to have their comments made fun of if they're public?

Fair use / creative commons, with minors usually being exempt in some way depending on context. How the fuck do think journalism works? If you say or do something in a public setting it's fair game. Sometimes even private settings are fair game. Dev's video is a derivative, parody, creation that falls under fair use laws. 

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3 minutes ago, Amiir said:

If that's true then it's Sax's duty to talk it out with Dev

...Which he just did right now

It's in Dev's hands now to settle this dispute for good.

I can't really blame Saxon, I'd be pretty upset too if someone did that to me

I am glad that something is being said. I just genuinely think that we have to acknowledge when the principles we claim need to be followed aren't.

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3 minutes ago, Brazen said:

Fair use / creative commons, with minors usually being exempt in some way depending on context. How the fuck do think journalism works? If you say or do something in a public setting it's fair game. Sometimes even private settings are fair game. Dev's video is a derivative, parody, creation that falls under fair use laws. 

Alright then, I guess I was wrong here. But only here

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As much as it pains me to hear Saxon was put through so much stress over this thing, I think this is jus one of those deals where you just gotta suck it up. Things like this exist. People get made fun of. Not everyone is on the good side of the joke all the time. Feelings get hurt, offenses are taken. It can seem cruel, but it's a just natural part of our species humor; and we all do dumb shit that deserves to be made fun of from time to time. 

In this case, Dev made a risky move by cutting too close to home. Now, that can only go two ways; either they're going to be a good sport about it and laugh it off, or they're going get hurt/pissed. Unfortunately, in this case we got the latter. That doesn't mean that Dev was wrong for taking the opportunity, or that Saxon is wrong to be upset, but we need to remember that it's just a shitty occurance, and that's all. We move on. Hopefully in the future, Dev can maybe stick to random commenters to cut down the chance of this happening again. I think making him edit his published video is a lot to ask, but that's between Saxon and him only. Not us, or even the mods. 

And Saxon, I don't think anybody thinks less of you for what was in that video. I myself was more suprised than anything (I don't think I had seen your FA at that point), and then promptly forgot. There's a lot of people here, many into some weird shit. I have a low-key foot fetish myself. Just try not to concern yourself about it too much; be who you're comfortable being. And try not to gain a reputation as a crybaby. 

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11 minutes ago, RTDragon said:

What exactly just happened here i did'nt know there was a mod thread about this also?

the short of it:

you know about the whole thing about these videos and it's like "wow lol cringe furries" per fetish and there's been some argument before but it's decided that since these comments are public it's k because dev anonymizes them as best he can

there was a spanking one. saxon ended up being quoted in it. at first he tried to go with it and mask some feelings, but it turns out he was super not okay with it. he talked to willow who talked to dev both of whom said talk to dev directly and saxon refused because he felt dev's attitude could be inferred as intending malice

basically we're back here now talking about it.

the other thread is talking about people being mad because the who would you fuck thread seemed to cross some personal lines, while others feel it was just a good joke. key points of that thread include not enough reports on the offended's behalf, some trying to solve the situation patiently while others either feeling that it should be opt-in vs. opt-out, the dilemma of a thread like that being in the watercooler and therefore it being unclear as to why that thread was in the watercooler and not the blackhole, and just a lot of misunderstanding. basically a "gdi mods" type thread all over again.

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Before I get into my response, I just want to breakdown the word "Assume". When you assume, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".

Even though a lot of people have said what I was planning to say, I'll still put it out there in my own words. I'm not gonna repeat myself on the issue of it being on Youtube or anything like that. This is specifically for the deal with @Saxon and the Spanking vid.

Saxon, the first time you called me out on this thread, you basically painted yourself as a target, getting extremely defensive on a vid meant for a quick laugh and nothing more. When it came to Spanking, I was thinking of taking a small jab at you but I decided that during my search, I would try not to. When I did do the search however, it was hard not to find you and I spent more time looking for comments that you weren't associated with. After a while, I just said "fuck it" and put you in that one clip. I could've easily put you in more but I didn't. I just decided on that one clip. Your comments were too amusing not to have in there. If you noticed, the Spanking vid was more silly than it was cringy like the others and was all in fun.

When you posted your response in the thread, outwardly admitting what you did in RL, you won.  You proved me wrong in thinking you would freak and I thought you were cool with it. I was pleasantly surprised. Then you pull the complete opposite and say you're not okay with it, delete half your posts and then paint me as the bad guy, from your assumptions...and you're wondering why people have a problem being on your side right now.

Look, its fun to make jabs at people and it can be amusing to see how they react, whether good or bad. If bad, you hope they can learn to laugh at themselves later on and that they don't take it to heart. You honestly think I make these vids so that people can feel bad about themselves and go through mental stress? Of course not! Why in the world would I want people to go through what I've been going through for almost a year, from my content? I didn't keep it up to be malicious. I kept it up cause its my content. Now, is it hard to remove you from the vid?  Not really, it would just ruin the flow of it and end rather abruptly. I'm keeping it up based on the fact that it was in no way meant to hurt you or anybody. Its there for a laugh and nothing more. As @Endless/Nameless said, this is very unfortunate that this caused you to feel the way you did and I'm sorry you're going through what you're going through but really, you could've known this about me if you just talked to me. Instead, your assumptions led to this alternate reality where I'm a soulless monster out to get you and I'll say it again, that just isn't the case.

Your name was blacked out. The only people who's names weren't blacked out were the two people from the Bestiality vid cause one guy just put it out there that he jacked off his dog and didn't care what anyone said. Chase's name wasn't blocked cause EVERYONE knows who Chase is. No point in even blocking his name. Plus that vid was more to highlight a prominent problem found in the fandom.

You? You're only known here and your circles and thats it. I never point to the direct link where people can the posters in the vid. I don't ask permission from anyone to be in my vids. You can't even compare this to the Fuck Thread because you can make the argument my vids are meant as a joke. Many people can handle jokes and jabbing. That Fuck Thread only had the attention of being lewd or jokingly lewd and not many people are comfortable with either. Plus, when people objected to being in the Fuck Thread, it was met with responses like "Lolz, u so mad". and here I am responding in a serious manner and explaining myself without any snark. .

I honestly don't know what else I can say at this point. The vids are meant as a joke. I'm sorry it affected you this heavily but I can only hope you can understand that I'm not out to hurt you and I don't want us hating each other over something as petty as this.

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1 hour ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

Plus, when people objected to being in the Fuck Thread, it was met with responses like "Lolz, u so mad"

Show it to me, refresh my horrible memory because I don't remember any of that

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4 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Uh, just so we're clear, my landmine got triggered message was in response to jcstinks, the horrible troll whom I knew was going to stick his nose into that thread sooner or later once the drama began. In no way did I mean to imply 'lol u mad' because, and you damn well know me, I would have said "LOL Why are you so fucking mad over some words? Grow a pair." if I had meant it.

JC isn't a troll...

 

do i also need to recall how you were passing around jokes about how a bunch of people were probably getting off to the thread?

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Just now, 6tails said:

That would be called an astute observation.

And yes, JC is definitely a troll. Lulz.net knows Lulz.net members. Only they try calling me by my real name in threads.

you can't claim that the thread was a joke and also claim that a comment about people getting off to it are both accurate.if you think the attitude is joking, then why should i believe that when you also think that people were actually getting sexual pleasure out of it? it if anything puts your party greatly in the wrong.

well, the mod staff doesn't acknowledge and has rescinded this position and the people who currently know him also do not, so i can at least personally tell you that he's given me reason to believe he was genuine when that issue came up.

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10 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Please point out where I made such a claim in the first place.

i checked and you're correct that you did not say this specifically.

It's more that you equate that thread with the "Wake up with the user above you" thread, which is just an aesthetic-driven lewd joke thread for the most part.

although perhaps then i'm taking an incorrect assumption about the whole attitude of this, then. because after i posted in that thread referring to you, i also noticed that you started to address me sexually in other places, even making comments about me on my mugshots that were specifically sexual. (unless you tell people you'd just like to wake up to them as a sign of innocent bed sharing.)

the attitude to me more suggests that you don't see the difference between sexual humour and behaviour that some would consider creepy.

 

however, if you feel this topic hasn't been addressed fully, i'd be glad to take it to pms? I think i'm currently derailing dev's thread and don't want to cause problems in that regard.

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Lol where's the post I made?

Let me rewrite what the Clove erased without a word

13 hours ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

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And other posts that amounted to "get over it" "quit being so sensitive" "Triggered!"

That isn't enough evidence. It's a single isolated case which furthermore was a joke as well, unless you don't know what the fuck '':v'' means

12 hours ago, evan said:

JC isn't a troll...

He is. His posts are written specifically in a way to start flame wars such as the ones we fell in now. The only reason you say he isn't it's because it's useful to your argument

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5 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Wait wtf are we arguing about now? 

dev casually mentioned the who would you fuck thread again and there was something of question so whoops

 

we should actually get back on topic and let the other topic die for now.

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2 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Why? Thread's dead and I personally apologized to the offended parties.

What is there even to argue about? 

it was mentioned offhandedly and available to be questioned, so it got carried away

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3 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Why? Thread's dead and I personally apologized to the offended parties.

What is there even to argue about? 

Apparently some people have the impelling need to bring up shit that was over and done with and drag it on and on and on and on

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20 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Wait wtf are we arguing about now? 

I don't know, I thought this was a continuation of Fallow being butt-hurt over the FA Comment Simulator,  

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23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Oh my God, wow. The level of Autism in that one was over 9000. Its gonna be interesting to see what Sonic holds, my childhood will be ruined, surely. 

...it wasnt ruined already?

7 minutes ago, Endless/Nameless said:

My God... I felt like this one started out comparatively tame; but then, it got worse......and worse...........and even worse..............

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Yeaaaaah....im never going back to SoFurry again

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