nsfw So apparantly all you need to do in order to post underaged anime characters to FA is to paint them blue.

[FlynnCoyote]

42 minutes ago, axelthefox said:

Pedos are sick and they all need to be locked up. That is all.

No. You're confusing pedophiles with child molesters.

A pedophile can have his fetish and satisfy it with drawings on the internet and live his life harming nobody. If he has his release and controls his darker urges, then there's no reason he can;t be a productive member of society.

A child molester has made the choice to submit to his urges and is irredeemable. There is no punishment too severe for his transgression.

Failing to distinguish between the two terms here creates and perpetuates a social stigma borne of ignorance, that makes it difficult for good people with bad urges to find the help they want and need. Merely advocating a bullet or automatic jail for every pedophile in the long term has the opposite effect of helping the issue here. This is also why I don't believe any art form should be censored so long as they create no real world victims. Child porn photography? Hang the cunt. Underage pornographic drawings? Who cares? They hurt nobody. If these drawings offend you, my advice is simple: Fucking get over yourself you whiny worthless little shitbag.

I don't mean that last line personally. :3

[Calemeyr]

ITT: furries get upset over people implying their waifus and husbandos are underaged. Yes, I am accusing you guys of ulterior motives.

You people are using the same argument the creepers use at my anime club. And it's always the ones defending showing fanservicey anime that scares the few women we have in the club away for good.

I know it's "harmless", but, come on, the people that make this shit are just creepy. And is there real evidence that exercising a fetish through drawn porn is a good way to prevent it from becoming physical? What if they move to actual child porn? Should that be allowed instead of banned? 

They may never act on it, but still, should their fetish be exercised?

 

 

[PastryOfApathy]

Don't ask, don't tell.

[FlynnCoyote]

5 minutes ago, Calemeyr said:

ITT: furries get upset over people implying their waifus and husbandos are underaged. Yes, I am accusing you guys of ulterior motives.

You people are using the same argument the creepers use at my anime club. And it's always the ones defending showing fanservicey anime that scares the few women we have in the club away for good.

I know it's "harmless", but, come on, the people that make this shit are just creepy. And is there real evidence that exercising a fetish through drawn porn is a good way to prevent it from becoming physical? What if they move to actual child porn? Should that be allowed instead of banned? 

They may never act on it, but still, should their fetish be exercised?

 

 

So we should just repress people with bad urges rather than give them a safe and legal outlet? That is possibly the stupidest thing you could have suggested.

And your reason is because creepy. Well that's convincing. Let us the whole internet bow to your squeamish sensibilities shall we? :v

I don't usually repeat myself, but: Fucking get over yourself you whiny worthless little shitbag.

[Calemeyr]

35 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Don't ask, don't tell.

Lol, that's the motto of the furry fandom when it comes to illegal shit. Kinda ironic. 

Ultimately, there really needs to be better treatment out there for people who have tendencies. More research needs to be done. Experts disagree on whether showing the porn (simulated) is a good way to stave off acting on one's fetish.

Also lol, people are so defensive over their cubs and lolis and shotss here. It reminds me of FAF when FA banned cub porn...ah, those were the days.

Maybe we should trick the average FA user to join here just so we can start seeing more creepy fetish threads and the resulting drama.

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

33 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

So we should just repress people with bad urges rather than give them a safe and legal outlet? That is possibly the stupidest thing you could have suggested.

And your reason is because creepy. Well that's convincing. Let us the whole internet bow to your squeamish sensibilities shall we? :v

I don't usually repeat myself, but: Fucking get over yourself you whiny worthless little shitbag.

Its people like you that are why this fandom is full of creeps. You put your head in the fucking sand and say that people who worry about this kind of thing are wrong. No you're wrong for not giving a fuck.

"Safe and legal outlet" lol. It sure is legal when so many sites dont want that kind of material there cause they're afraid of getting into LEGAL problems.

Safe? How long will those pictures be able to satisfy those needs until they want to actually do IRL? Even if they didnt do it in IRL, ITS NOT FUCKING NORMAL TO HAVE THAT KIND OF FETISH. Its a mental illness. You dont just leave that shit fester. 

The fact that the artist mentioned on the OP, made a character that clearly looks underaged but tried to justify it in his mind by making some BS excuse thats its another species, therefore the age is different....just that alone, shows just how bad its gotten! Do you not see that? Are you that dense or just not give enough of a fuck to see why we're really worried about people like this? 

Jesus christ, you and @Rassah are pissing me off with the bullshit coming out of your mouths that you call words

[Calemeyr]

15 minutes ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

Its people like you that are why this fandom is full of creeps. You put your head in the fucking sand and say that people who worry about this kind of thing are wrong. No you're wrong for not giving a fuck.

"Safe and legal outlet" lol. It sure is legal when so many sites dont want that kind of material there cause they're afraid of getting into LEGAL problems.

Safe? How long will those pictures be able to satisfy those needs until they want to actually do IRL? Even if they didnt do it in IRL, ITS NOT FUCKING NORMAL TO HAVE THAT KIND OF FETISH. Its a mental illness. You dont just leave that shit fester. 

The fact that the artist mentioned on the OP, made a character that clearly looks underaged but tried to justify it in his mind by making some BS excuse thats its another species, therefore the age is different....just that alone, shows just how bad its gotten! Do you not see that? Are you that dense or just not give enough of a fuck to see why we're really worried about people like this? 

Jesus christ, you and @Rassah are pissing me off with the bullshit coming out of your mouths that you call words

Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. They see any disagreement as a personal attack, any form of joke as an insult.

Don't be mad. Pity them. They shouldn't be locked away from the site in the permaban prison. They need help. To make sure they don't become physical with their impulses. Broken computer? Perhaps. Whether or not they should be allowed ro talk about these kinds of things requires more research. We just don't know if it helps or harms their tendencies. Perhaps they should be allowed to vote for Trump, who knows? 

But in the end, the issue is that the posts are hard to avoid since they sometimes pop up in threads you least expect. They aren't propperly sorted in the Forum system. While I'm reading about something funny, I end up reading fail. It's sad.

 

(see what I did there? Wow such subtle, very metaphor)

Edited January 19, 2016 by Calemeyr

[FlynnCoyote]

2 minutes ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

Its people like you that are why this fandom is full of creeps. You put your head in the fucking sand and say that people who worry about this kind of thing are wrong. No you're wrong for not giving a fuck.

"Safe and legal outlet" lol. It sure is legal when so many sites dont want that kind of material there cause they're afraid of getting into LEGAL problems.

Safe? How long will those pictures be able to satisfy those needs until they want to actually do IRL? Even if they didnt do it in IRL, ITS NOT FUCKING NORMAL TO HAVE THAT KIND OF FETISH. Its a mental illness. You dont just leave that shit fester. 

The fact that the artist mentioned on the OP, made a character that clearly looks underaged but tried to justify it in his mind by making some BS excuse thats its another species, therefore the age is different....just that alone, shows just how bad its gotten! Do you not see that? Are you that dense or just not give enough of a fuck to see why we're really worried about people like this? 

Jesus christ, you and @Rassah are pissing me off with the bullshit coming out of your mouths that you call words

It's a stigma. There's nothing illegal about drawing, no matter what it is you draw. I'm sure you and many others stood by that principle when Charlie Hebdo happened, right?

And you can call it a mental illness all you want but that doesn't make it true. By that logic simply having any fetish at all is a mental illness. I'm sure it will be very easy for someone outside the situation to simply call the bullshit you're calling and be utterly convinced that you're right, so let me give you a perspective from someone who knows people on either side of this fence.

My mother was molested as a child. Ordinarily I would not tell this to anyone, but none of you know me so who cares. I found about about this when I was twenty four. That's just over three years ago. An uncle, someone she trusted repeatedly abused her sexually, giving her emotional scars that I can see now looking back. Growing up, I always just assumed she was overprotective and it frustrated me, the amount of times I'd mouth off at her about having some trust in the people I know just... God it fucking feels horrible you know?

But that's only half of it. Just this past November, I received a phone call from my older brother, telling me my younger brother was no longer welcome at his house. Apparently my younger bro had been feeling an unhealthy attraction to our four year old niece. The only way any of us knew this is because he turned himself in to the police. Since being open with this, he's been receiving therapy to cope. He's been on the brink of suicide. He's taking antidepressants. In short, he's a fucking mess because he knows what he feels is fucking terrible and he doesn't know what to do about it beyond everything he's already trying.

 

So, when I give my opinion on the matter, don't just think I'm a creep with an agenda. because I've seen what both sides of this issue can do to people.

Don't you, or anyone assume that this issue is black and white. All you do is betray your own fucking ignorance. Fuck you.

3 minutes ago, Calemeyr said:

Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. They see any disagreement as a personal attack, any form of joke as an insult, and

Don't be mad. Pity them. They shouldn't be locked away from the site in the permaban prison. They need help. To make sure they don't become physical with their impulses. Broken computer? Perhaps. Whether or not they should be allowed ro talk about these kinds of things requires more research. We just don't know if it helps or harms their tendencies. Perhaps they should be allowed to vote for Trump, who knows? 

But in the end, the issue is that the posts are hard to avoid since they sometimes pop up in threads you least expect. They aren't propperly sorted in the Forum system. While I'm reading about something funny, I end up reading fail. It's sad.

 

(see what I did there? Wow such subtle, much metaphor)

You must feel so clever.

[Saxon]

This is a great big drama-spaghetti which is impossible to de-tangle. 

[pheonixbat]

One image.
Many forum-goers.
All paranoid of the others being pedos.

[Calemeyr]

11 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

It's a stigma. There's nothing illegal about drawing, no matter what it is you draw. I'm sure you and many others stood by that principle when Charlie Hebdo happened, right?

And you can call it a mental illness all you want but that doesn't make it true. By that logic simply having any fetish at all is a mental illness. I'm sure it will be very easy for someone outside the situation to simply call the bullshit you're calling and be utterly convinced that you're right, so let me give you a perspective from someone who knows people on either side of this fence.

My mother was molested as a child. Ordinarily I would not tell this to anyone, but none of you know me so who cares. I found about about this when I was twenty four. That's just over three years ago. An uncle, someone she trusted repeatedly abused her sexually, giving her emotional scars that I can see now looking back. Growing up, I always just assumed she was overprotective and it frustrated me, the amount of times I'd mouth off at her about having some trust in the people I know just... God it fucking feels horrible you know?

But that's only half of it. Just this past November, I received a phone call from my older brother, telling me my younger brother was no longer welcome at his house. Apparently my younger bro had been feeling an unhealthy attraction to our four year old niece. The only way any of us knew this is because he turned himself in to the police. Since being open with this, he's been receiving therapy to cope. He's been on the brink of suicide. He's taking antidepressants. In short, he's a fucking mess because he knows what he feels is fucking terrible and he doesn't know what to do about it beyond everything he's already trying.

 

So, when I give my opinion on the matter, don't just think I'm a creep with an agenda. because I've seen what both sides of this issue can do to people.

Don't you, or anyone assume that this issue is black and white. All you do is betray your own fucking ignorance. Fuck you.

You must feel so clever.

I'm not actually. I'm mocking you. Just calm down man. You come into this thread like somebody shot your dog. Like, do you really have a personal investment in this stuff? I get it, some drawn =/=real. Still doesn't mean we should have to wade through it because it was improperly tagged.

Just calm down, breathe deeply in and out. Count to 10. This isn't good for your health man, you'll have a panic attack.

I mean seriously, let's have these new forums be less FA comments and more, well, FAF during drama dry-spells, but more busy.

 

Edited January 19, 2016 by Calemeyr

[Brass]

12 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

<pedophile apologist pseudo intellectual bullshit >

[FlynnCoyote]

Watching my pageviews on FA go up while you fucks look for pedo art...

 

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

5 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

It's a stigma. There's nothing illegal about drawing, no matter what it is you draw. I'm sure you and many others stood by that principle when Charlie Hebdo happened, right?

And you can call it a mental illness all you want but that doesn't make it true. By that logic simply having any fetish at all is a mental illness. I'm sure it will be very easy for someone outside the situation to simply call the bullshit you're calling and be utterly convinced that you're right, so let me give you a perspective from someone who knows people on either side of this fence.

My mother was molested as a child. Ordinarily I would not tell this to anyone, but none of you know me so who cares. I found about about this when I was twenty four. That's just over three years ago. An uncle, someone she trusted repeatedly abused her sexually, giving her emotional scars that I can see now looking back. Growing up, I always just assumed she was overprotective and it frustrated me, the amount of times I'd mouth off at her about having some trust in the people I know just... God it fucking feels horrible you know?

But that's only half of it. Just this past November, I received a phone call from my older brother, telling me my younger brother was no longer welcome at his house. Apparently my younger bro had been feeling an unhealthy attraction to our four year old niece. The only way any of us knew this is because he turned himself in to the police. Since being open with this, he's been receiving therapy to cope. He's been on the brink of suicide. He's taking antidepressants. In short, he's a fucking mess because he knows what he feels is fucking terrible and he doesn't know what to do about it beyond everything he's already trying.

 

So, when I give my opinion on the matter, don't just think I'm a creep with an agenda. because I've seen what both sides of this issue can do to people.

Don't you, or anyone assume that this issue is black and white. All you do is betray your own fucking ignorance. Fuck you.

You must feel so clever.

So...let me get this straight...

You had a relative who was pedo...knew it was wrong...turned themselves in cause they KNEW it was wrong...but you're defending an artist who draws sexual art of people underage who is in complete denial that what he's drawing is wrong...

And suddenly sexual attraction to kids isn't a mental illness? You know what other fetishes that aren't centered around kids (or animals) are considered normal in some sense? Cause they FOCUS ON ADULTS. If you have a sexual attraction to a child, something in your mind aint right. Plain and simple

Then you have the gull to bring up this personal story of your mother and your brother to back up your bullshit logic? This is the second damn time you've made a dumb post in this thread. Reply to me one more time with more of your stupidity and I'll consider you a lost cause, cause that post that you just made has SO many holes...I could barely make it out for a few minutes. 

Take @Calemeyr's advice. Lay down before you start to get a headache...maybe, I don't know, think? You'll feel better when you come to. Take care now

[Brass]

3 minutes ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

Take @Calemeyr's advice. Lay down before you start to get a headache...maybe, I don't know, think? You'll feel better when you come to. Take care now

Too late-- he already made an entirely new thread calling you all retards. 

[Calemeyr]

5 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Watching my pageviews on FA go up while you fucks look for pedo art...

 

Uh...that's not helping your image here, m8. You kinda just implied you draw cub or are into it. Might want to rephrase that.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Calemeyr

[FlynnCoyote]

Maybe having personal stakes in the matter on behalf of others makes for a poor argument.

But having a pre-established social stigma based viewpoint is just as invalid.

Can you at least realize there is no universal fix for this? And trying to apply one by your own standards might help some. but it will cause huge problems for others. For that reason alone, you have no grounds to demand that something be banned outright. Let people be creeps, so long as they remain harmless online creeps.

2 minutes ago, Brass said:

Too late-- he already made an entirely new thread calling you all retards. 

That thread is aaalll for you Brass.

1 minute ago, Calemeyr said:

Uh...that's not helping your image here, m8. You kinda just implied you draw cub.

And you demonstrated that you didn't look.

 

Anyway, I'm done here. Made my point for anyone who cares.

[Brass]

Pft Flynn is into vore. Suddenly it all makes sense. If he thinks eating people is hot then I guess other fetishes don't seem like a big deal huh. 

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

Third dumbass post you've made in this thread @FlynnCoyote...actually, 4th. I'm done with your sorry ass

[Calemeyr]

4 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Maybe having personal stakes in the matter on behalf of others makes for a poor argument.

But having a pre-established social stigma based viewpoint is just as invalid.

Can you at least realize there is no universal fix for this? And trying to apply one by your own standards might help some. but it will cause huge problems for others. For that reason alone, you have no grounds to demand that something be banned outright. Let people be creeps, so long as they remain harmless online creeps.

That thread is aaalll for you Brass.

And you demonstrated that you didn't look.

 

Anyway, I'm done here. Made my point for anyone who cares.

Have you considered seeing a therapist? I mean if you feel like you are really torn up inside with things you probably should find someone to talk to about it.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Calemeyr

[FlynnCoyote]

Just now, Calemeyr said:

Have you considered seeing a therapist?

Seen a therapist more times than I am proud enough to admit.

2 minutes ago, Brass said:

Pft Flynn is into vore. Suddenly it all makes sense. If he thinks eating people is hot then I guess other fetishes don't seem like a big deal huh. 

o gods you discovered my secret shame that i hid on my public profile where nobody could find it how will i go on

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

21 minutes ago, pheonixbat said:

One image.
Many forum-goers.
All paranoid of the others being pedos.

I don't even think its the fact of people being paranoid about others being pedos. Its just people finding who the apologists/non-caring are

[Brass]

Just now, FlynnCoyote said:

Seen a therapist more times than I am proud enough to admit.

o gods you discovered my secret shame that i hid on my public profile where nobody could find it how will i go on

Well uh... I don't think having no sense of shame is something you should brag about. 

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

@Von Krieger I apologize that this thread got so...stupid, so fast

[FlynnCoyote]

3 minutes ago, Brass said:

Well uh... I don't think having no sense of shame is something you should brag about. 

Shame is for those without the balls to embrace a harmless passion because it isn't "normal."

Have fun being boring.

[Brass]

Just now, FlynnCoyote said:

Shame is for those without the balls to embrace a harmless passion because it isn't "normal."

Have fun being boring.

and this is what everyone meant about being fucking creepy. 

[Calemeyr]

I will say, though, it is easier to avoid underage smut in the furry fandom than it is in anime, seeing that underage fanservice makes up like, what, half of all late-night anime? Whether it be little girls doing little girl things designed to entertain 30 yr old men, onion armor pilot crushed by seatbelt but can't touch because boobs, or gamer's little sister and opponent strip and remain naked for remainder of episode, Japan has a lot of shame.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Calemeyr

[FlynnCoyote]

Just now, Brass said:

and this is what everyone meant about being fucking creepy. 

Also what I meant about having no shame. :3

 

[Vae]

Are people also wholly ignorant to the fact that, by getting support and likes and praise and whatnot by putting this material out on the internet (because creepers are gonna flock together, regardless of how unsavory an interest is),
that in turn acts as a support for that interest?

"Man, this sure is a gross fetish I have, but I can't help it. Look at this picture."
"Aw ^.^ lookit that little butt what a cutie!!!"
"can she bend over more :P"
"wow your drawings rly good! do more plz!!"

You don't think that contributes to the normalization of having sexual interest in children?
You don't think that creates a positive association with this quality in one's mind, when it awards them positive feedback?
Is it really this hard to understand why people shouldn't support posting this kind of shit in public art galleries?
Really?
 

[FlynnCoyote]

Sane people know the difference between fantasy and reality. And as I said, stigmatizing the matter just adds to the problem. Education and management of these issues is important. You try to bury them, you give the weaker of this bunch only one alternative.

[Brass]

Just now, FlynnCoyote said:

Sane people know the difference between fantasy and reality. And as I said, stigmatizing the matter just adds to the problem. Education and management of these issues is important. You try to bury them, you give the weaker of this bunch only one alternative.

I'm pretty sure when you feed a sexual desire it just becomes more ingrained into your sexuality. So much to the point that you will lie and defend it constantly. Like with what you're doing right now.  

[FlynnCoyote]

1 minute ago, Brass said:

I'm pretty sure when you feed a sexual desire it just becomes more ingrained into your sexuality. So much to the point that you will lie and defend it constantly. Like with what you're doing right now.  

Not in my experience. Also pedo is not my fetish, as you showed the forum earlier. My defense of it is on principle. I wouldn't expect a "normal" person to understand.

[Vae]

4 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Sane people know the difference between fantasy and reality. And as I said, stigmatizing the matter just adds to the problem. Education and management of these issues is important. You try to bury them, you give the weaker of this bunch only one alternative.

Sane people also know that they shouldn't be pushing their creepy bullshit to the forefront and wanting praise for it.
Sane people also know that having traits like "I want to fuck children" or "I want to fuck my siblings" or "I want to fuck my dog" are not something you should be posting on the goddamned internet.
Sane people usually have some element of self-awareness.

Keep in mind, there is a HUGE amount of difference between acknowledging an issue and trying to seek private help for it (like in the case of a psychologist),
versus posting drawings on the internet for praise and attention.

There is nothing wrong with stigmatizing fetishes that centralize around the concept of being abusive towards other people,
in the same vein that there's nothing wrong with stigmatizing racist mindsets or homophobic mindsets, or what have you.

"It's okay, I don't actually lynch black people! I just fantasize about it! And draw it! And post it on the internet!"
You see how dumb that sounds?

[Brass]

3 minutes ago, Vae said:

"It's okay, I don't actually lynch black people! I just fantasize about it! And draw it! And post it on the internet!"
You see how dumb that sounds?

damn vae sometimes you're my favorite poster. It's 4 am I think I woke up my roomies laughing. 

[Von Krieger]

1 hour ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

@Von Krieger I apologize that this thread got so...stupid, so fast

As stupid as it is, it's still not operating on the usual level of stupid reached by your typical comments on news websites. Or on the level of FA staff.

"IMMA HIRE AN UNDERAGED DOG RAPIST HACKER SMURF, LULZ!"

[Käpt'n]

I just took a quick look at it (quick because it's friggin' gross DX). She has been changed so much I don't think she counts as underage. She does look more like an adult smurf than anything else.

This is by far the weirdest post I ever made...

[Misomie]

I find it odd that pedo art is defended so strongly. Defendants make such a huge stink over it that they forget the rules of the host site: child/cub porn is banned from FA. Banned.

There are plenty of sites that tailor to said philia. I'm not saying drawn porn is wrong or right, but instead that it is disgusting and belongs elsewhere. I don't want to see such filth so I avoid any sites that allow it. It's not that hard of a concept to keep stuff where it belongs. 

Also I wouldn't consider shaming pedophilia to be kink shaming. Kink shaming is more of shaming bondage or foot fetishists, not something involving rapists. 

[Saxon]

I viewed the image. It's a naked sprite sitting on a bed and smoking something from a pipe.

I don't know why Von Krieger assumed this was underaged porn, since the character has breasts. Frankly I don't think the image is even very pornographic, because it's just a naked body, which isn't exactly porn.

 

Regards people's extensive discussion of paedophiles:  I don't know what the psychological significance of viewing such imagery is for paedophiles- maybe it alleviates their desires, maybe it encourages them, maybe it has no effect at all; I think some people are playing 'armchair psychologist'. 

I suspect people who imagine that everything can be solved by locking all the paedophiles up, or that their proclivities can be repressed or therapised out of existence, are deluded, and that their comments are motivated by the status of paedophilia as a taboo, rather than because they think any of those suggestions would actually work.  

[kazooie]

21 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Regards people's extensive discussion of paedophiles:  I don't know what the psychological significance of viewing such imagery is for paedophiles- maybe it alleviates their desires, maybe it encourages them, maybe it has no effect at all; I think some people are playing 'armchair psychologist'. 

leveraging armchair phycology to legislate laws that have irreversible consequences on other human beings is one of society's favourite hobbies

 

on a more serious note, there are obviously very few scientific studies on the matter due to the stigma; from what articles I remember reading, it appears access to drawn images and texts reduce risk of perpetration

Edited January 19, 2016 by kazooie

[Sidewalk Surfboard]

Holy shit the minute Flynn stepped into this thread was the minute shit hit the fan

[jcstinks]

10 hours ago, Crazy Lee said:

Also, this entire post seems a bit butthurt.

What do you expect when your dick is the girth of my forearm. ;w;

8 hours ago, axelthefox said:

Pedos are sick and they all need to be locked up. That is all.

Thought crimes, much? Just because something is distasteful, doesn't mean it should be illegal. If we were going to lock up people for having sick thoughts, literally every living human person would be in prison.

I'm fursonally into (older) cub art, but really, it's just a bunch of drawings. And, you know what? In real life I can't stand anyone young, it isn't something that translates to the real world at all. I have absolutely no problem babysitting or chaperoning younger people without sexualizing them, because I am not a creeper. I have absolutely no desire to do anything that is a.) illegal or b.) harmful to another person. That is the case with 100% of the people I know who are in my situation, as well.

5 hours ago, Vae said:

Sane people also know that they shouldn't be pushing their creepy bullshit to the forefront and wanting praise for it.
Sane people also know that having traits like "I want to fuck children" or "I want to fuck my siblings" or "I want to fuck my dog" are not something you should be posting on the goddamned internet.
Sane people usually have some element of self-awareness.

Keep in mind, there is a HUGE amount of difference between acknowledging an issue and trying to seek private help for it (like in the case of a psychologist),
versus posting drawings on the internet for praise and attention.

There is nothing wrong with stigmatizing fetishes that centralize around the concept of being abusive towards other people,
in the same vein that there's nothing wrong with stigmatizing racist mindsets or homophobic mindsets, or what have you.

You have to remember that FA is not like the rest of the world; it's specifically a fetish community. It literally has a drop-down menu that says "fetish." You're right to say that self-awareness is important, and that's why I keep things to the Internet, specifically. I tell absolutely nobody about my animal passions in the real world, and I suggest to my e-friends that they do the same. Real people don't need to know about that shit.

But when you're on a website for people who want to bone dog head people, uhhh. You kind of have to take everything with a Jabba-the-Hutt-sized cup of salt. You're in weird, obscure fetish-land. This is where fetishes go to die. All of them.

5 hours ago, Vae said:

"It's okay, I don't actually lynch black people! I just fantasize about it! And draw it! And post it on the internet!"
You see how dumb that sounds?

Even though I don't agree with the rest of your post, this was extremely well-put. You made me smile a little.

[Gamedog]

14 hours ago, Brass said:

@Gamedog is my husband thank you. He just won't fucking marry me. 

You will never get my treasures you degenerate leech

Pft Flynn is into vore. Suddenly it all makes sense. If he thinks eating people is hot then I guess other fetishes don't seem like a big deal huh. 

Settle down, you. go microwave my leftover chinese food right now, I want breakfast

[Rassah]

Sorry, apparently some people were confused my what I said. Let me simplify it for you.

*image of a girl who is less than 18 years old, who is naked, and is just there, standing or sitting, not doing anything sexual*

Normal person: It's just a naked girl. Who cares. Put some clothes on.

Pedo: Omg! It's a sexual image! Someone (like myself) can find that sexually attractive! Ban it!

Seriously, it's just skin. Girls go naked all over the world all the time without it being sexual. Only people with fucked up psychological problems (like being raised in a repressive abusive society) look at that and think it's sexual just because it's naked. And @Vae, no one is a "sane person." We're all full of fucked in our heads. Those who are sane are such grey monotonous conformists that they're also insane.

Also, there's a difference between pedophile and ephebophile. Pedo is 12 and under. Ephebo is teen. Since we raised our age of consent, we started to call everyone who finds underage girls sexy as pedophiles, but they're not. And fact is, most people are ephebophiles; attracted to teens. It's biology. That's when we as humans were supposed to procreate, then spend 12 years raising our children until they do and procreate, then die at the ripe old age of 30. So the stupid social prudishness that started fairly recently in our human history has basically made morons and repressed "pedos" from many of us.

Incidentally, this common misused definition would make all Sonic porn "pedo" as well, since the oldest characters are only 16 in cannon. I've had a lifelong crush on Sally since I was a kid, and still do, despite going from where she was older than me, to where she is now much younger than me, and is underage by social standards. Does that mean I'm a pedo? (Or ephebo?) Not really. Just means I haven't changed who I liked despite growing up.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Rassah

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

2 minutes ago, Rassah said:

Sorry, apparently some people were confused my what I said. Let me simplify it for you.

*image on a girl who is less than 18 years old, who is naked, and is just there, standing or sitting, not doing anything sexual*

Normal person: It's just a naked girl. Who cares. Put some clothes on.

Pedo: Omg! It's a sexual image! Someone (like myself) can find that sexually attractive! Ban it!

Seriously, it's just skin. Girls go naked all over the world all the time without it being sexual. Only people with fucked up psychological problems (like being raised in a repressive abusive society) look at that and think it's sexual just because it's naked. And @Vae, no one is a "sane person." We're all full of fucked in our heads. Those who are sane are such grey monotonous conformists that they're also insane.

Also, there's a difference between pedophile and ephebophile. Pedo is 12 and under. Ephebo is teen. Since we raised our age of consent, we started to call everyone who finds underage girls sexy as pedophiles, but they're not. And fact is, most people are ephebophiles; attracted to teens. It's biology. That's when we as humans were supposed to procreate, then spend 10 years raising our children, then die at the ripe old age of 30. So the stupid social prudishness that started fairly recently in our human history has basically made morons and repressed "pedos" from many of us.

Incidentally, this common misused definition would make all Sonic porn pedo as well, since the oldest characters are only 16 in cannon. I've had a lifelong crush on Sally since I was a kid, and still do, despite going from where she was older than me, to where she is now much younger than me, and is underage by social standards. Does that mean I'm a pedo? (Or ephebo?) Not really. Just means I haven't changed who I liked despite growing up.

 

[Rassah]

Heh, apparently Devilish is so dumb he (she) can't comprehend what I said.

I forgot to mention, there actually is quite a bit of research on this topic. Not a lot, but enough. If you're actually truly curious about it, read Harmful to Minors by Judith Levine. Spoiler, you might be disappointed to learn that all the major studies that dared to actually look into this say you're wrong.

[Saxon]

I agree with Rassah that, in the West we have a repressive attitude towards nudity; it is often assumed that any nudity is inherently sexually alluring or offensive, when bodies are actually...just bodies. 

I also agree that a lot of people incorrectly call any attraction to people under the age of 18 paedophilia, when that term is actually exclusive to attraction to children, rather than sexually mature biological adults who are 17, for example. 

In addition, I find the whole 'but the canonical age is' argument confusing, because often a cartoon character's form is so abstract that the notion of being able to determine the difference between a character who is 16 and one who is 18 is meaningless. What should matter, for the Fur affinity's purposes, is whether the image depicts a character who appears to be sexually immature. 

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

Not a lot of research but enough

How much is "enough" for me to actually take it or you seriously?

Eh fuck it, this thread is just...bleh. Back to Fallout.

 

[Derin Darkpaw]

1 hour ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

That clip from Billy Madison

This is now the third time in my memory that some one has responded to Rassah either by posting this exact clip or quoting it word for word in reference to something he said.  I wonder if this is going to keep being thing.  Please let this keep being a thing.

[Rassah]

1 hour ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

Not a lot of research but enough

How much is "enough" for me to actually take it or you seriously?

Not a lot compared to research into human sexuality and psychology in general, since it's a difficult topic to even discuss, let alone write about, let alone write objective conclusions on, but it's most certainly enough, from lots of respected universities and respected psychologists, and the book has pages and pages of references. You don't have to take me seriously. I don't give a shit. You just have to stop being an idiot and trying to make authoritative "informed" claims based on feels and lack of being informed. Or not. You can keep being an idiot, and going against 200,000+ years of evolution by clinging to your 200 year old Victorian prudishness. 

[Saxon]

I've lost track; which sources are you referring to @Rassah and what do they show?