Kalmor Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just heard about this... When will they learn. He details very similar things as what myself and the other Phoenix forums mods went through with FAF. Just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginpanther Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Downloaded as MP4 before mysterious take-down notice vaporizes this. I also question the statement, "I didn't know about the IMVU buyout, I didn't know about the FA forums, I didn't know about any of this drama." Did this guy live in a hole? Is everyone so eager to jump onto this Popufur/Glam-train that they do no research before joining in with an organization? This shit all went down long before he joined the team. Or, rather, before it was announced he had joined. Edited January 27, 2016 by Ginpanther My question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 It sucks what happened it really does, but I gotta wonder how anyone actually manages to not know how much of an infested with corruption shithole FA is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Here's a re-upload of the video in case it gets took down. https://sendvid.com/7izzx4vl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Clove Darkwave said: It sucks what happened it really does, but I gotta wonder how anyone actually manages to not know how much of an infested with corruption shithole FA is. "Wanna join the staff of the biggest furry site on the internet and become super duper totes popular in the process Y/Y?" It's insanely easy to rationalize all the previous drama and minimize it when you're desperate and an opportunity like that is thrown in front of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalmor Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ginpanther said: Downloaded as MP4 before mysterious take-down notice vaporizes this. I also question the statement, "I didn't know about the IMVU buyout, I didn't know about the FA forums, I didn't know about any of this drama." Did this guy live in a hole? Is everyone so eager to jump onto this Popufur/Glam-train that they do no research before joining in with an organization? This shit all went down long before he joined the team. Or, rather, before it was announced he had joined. He said in the video that he's from the brony fandom and not furry. It's totally believable that he didn't know anything about the history of FA, given that he hasn't been on the site for all that long (I don't think?). Either way, the point is still the same. FA STILL hasn't learned their lesson and screwed over some poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: 3 minutes ago, Kalmor said: He said in the video that he's from the brony fandom and not furry. It's totally believable that he didn't know anything about the history of FA, given that he hasn't been on the site for all that long (I don't think?). Either way, the point is still the same. FA STILL hasn't learned their lesson and screwed over some poor guy. "Wanna join the staff of the biggest furry site on the internet and become super duper totes popular in the process Y/Y?" It's insanely easy to rationalize all the previous drama and minimize it when you're desperate and an opportunity like that is thrown in front of you. I know I know, and I agree, but part of me is just depressively shocked that people don't look up the reputation of potential employers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginpanther Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kalmor said: He said in the video that he's from the brony fandom and not furry. It's totally believable that he didn't know anything about the history of FA, given that he hasn't been on the site for all that long (I don't think?). And yet he had a slew of people warning him (per his video). When you get a billion people warning you about something, do you just ignore it? I guess if you're as desperate as this poor fool was, you do, because hey... Jelly of Popularity and Fame! To what I said earlier, I still don't understand somebody who doesn't look into the organization they're joining. Even when I was joining the animal shelter I volunteer with, I did research about them as best I could, and that's a volunteer gig, not something I was expecting to be an essentially minimum-wage, break-even, paying job. When I interview for paying jobs I absolutely ask questions. But that's all inconsequential. Your point still stands about FA "leadership" and their Dragoneer's cavalier attitude towards the people he sucks into his cult of personality. Everyone is a Human Resource - strip mine them until they're devoid of value or too problematic, then abandon them and move on! Edited January 27, 2016 by Ginpanther double-words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Random question: Does this mean we can ask for a subforum for discussing shit that happens on FA? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 So why is it taking so long for IMVU to finally assume direct control of this flaming wreck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalmor Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Clove Darkwave said: I know I know, and I agree, but part of me is just depressively shocked that people don't look up the reputation of potential employers. When you're as desperate for income as this guy was then I guess you take what you can get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Kalmor said: When you're as desperate for income as this guy was then I guess you take what you can get. Don't get me wrong, you have to bite the bullet sometimes with work. I just thought Dragoneer was at the point of infamy that there are many better scenarios than working with him. I thought the bar was that low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Sar said: Random question: Does this mean we can ask for a subforum for discussing shit that happens on FA? Leave that to vivisector rather than Klunkmor's lemonade stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Toshabi said: Leave that to vivisector rather than Klunkmor's lemonade stand. Have we left forum games to only Facepunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, Onnes said: So why is it taking so long for IMVU to finally assume direct control of this flaming wreck? Because what the fuck do you even do? Like the only thing I can think of would be to let it burn and rebuild but then why even bother with all this shit? Does anyone even want to touch FA since really you would need like a full Hazmat team or something. This doesn't make any sense, but that's FA for ya. 10 minutes ago, Sar said: Random question: Does this mean we can ask for a subforum for discussing shit that happens on FA? Nah, occasional 'Den' threads seem fine. We're not Vivisector and people will inevitably start bitching or claiming we're "bitter" or some garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: Nah, occasional 'Den' threads seem fine. We're not Vivisector and people will inevitably start bitching or claiming we're "bitter" or some garbage. As long as it isn't a bannable offense, then I'm cool with that too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sar said: Have we left forum games to only Facepunch? We were booted from the forums. Iirc, we were only there for a community's purpose. It's not like FA discussion was allowed on FA previously, lest it result in an infraction from Kalmor himself if you spoke poorly of FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 minute ago, PastryOfApathy said: Because what the fuck do you even do? Like the only thing I can think of would be to let it burn and rebuild but then why even bother with all this shit? Does anyone even want to touch FA since really you would need like a full Hazmat team or something. This doesn't make any sense, but that's FA for ya. Presumably IMVU bought the thing for some reason or another. FA does have a userbase, and people spend money on art through it. I'd always assumed that IMVU would eventually transition in their own administration and developers to fix up the site and better monetize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Onnes said: Presumably IMVU bought the thing for some reason or another. FA does have a userbase, and people spend money on art through it. I'd always assumed that IMVU would eventually transition in their own administration and developers to fix up the site and better monetize it. I honestly just think IMVU had no idea what the fuck they were getting into. Sorta like a guy who buys a shitty run-down house expecting to 'whip it into shape' but doesn't take into account like...anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 HELLO MY FRIEND WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY A MAGIKARP 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginpanther Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Onnes said: Presumably IMVU bought the thing for some reason or another. Advertising. That thing is advertising. Look at the current swell of adverts at the top and bottom of the FA page (assuming you don't run AdBlock there, and believe me you should), look at the other aborted attempts to attach more inline advertising, and be sure to expect further efforts in the future to assault your retinas with blipverts. Also, unless you're ridiculously agile (and I don't imagine anything funded by Best Buy to be of that nature), merger and acquisitions take time. The first thing my employer does is get a WAN line into the acquisition's datacenter so they can pump the general ledger of the new flesh organization into the main corporate books. Then things sit for a bit as they lean back and observe operations, peruse HR files and cast out budgets. This usually takes anywhere from 20 to 36 months. Only then do the big changes start happening. Granted, IMVU is not a $2B/year profit monster and FA probably doesn't have an Excel spreadsheet listing who "Works" for it, let alone HR files, but you get the gist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Clove Darkwave said: HELLO MY FRIEND WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY A MAGIKARP 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowedahelicon Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 To some of the comments here, I know he should have done some research before he did the do with FA but from what I've gathered from the video and from him is that he simply didn't really have a choice. He needed the money and it seemed like a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginpanther Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Rowedahelicon said: To some of the comments here, I know he should have done some research before he did the do with FA but from what I've gathered from the video and from him is that he simply didn't really have a choice. He needed the money and it seemed like a good idea. What money? Per his own video, he tried to name his price after he joined. He's apparently the worst haggler ever after Peter Griffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rowedahelicon said: To some of the comments here, I know he should have done some research before he did the do with FA but from what I've gathered from the video and from him is that he simply didn't really have a choice. He needed the money and it seemed like a good idea. (Or he's just bullshitting to cover up making a horrible mistake). Either or, working for FA, you're kind of a dumbass if you only NOW realize that it is run by a scum bag. Kinda like- *shot* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 See, I dunno. As 'big' as FA's drama usually is, I imagine that there's a tonne of faceless nobody users who know NOTHING about it and just casually browses the site for content. He could have been in that category and once joining as a developer, Neer probably made no effort to bring up 'past troubles' less the guy get uncomfortable and reconsider his position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconas Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) I dun goofed and accidentally opened another thread, can this be appended to the OP? Meet @slvreagle23 , latest dev to try and tackle FA's code problem. He says he was added to the tech team and noticed how bad the code was. He says Yak is the only person officially in charge of FA's codebase, and is not happy with others trying to work on his code. Silver was unaware of the political background or drama of FA prior to jumping in to help them out. A new FA from the ground up was needed as they weren't even allowed to see the code as is. Hundred of hours were put into a re-work. Silver asked FA / IMVU for money to work on this project, and he needed the money to afford to live day to day. It was agreed upon that he would receive his money, after 300 hours of work however he found he was yet to be paid. FA / IMVU made him jump through hoops in order to get his money, he had to get a DBA , business acct, etc. FA kept telling him that his payment was processing repeatedly, but IMVU told him today they were never given a contract for him from FA. TL;DR Dragoneer fails to do a simple task yet again, has been getting free web work done under the illusion of paying Silver. He feels that Furaffinity has been getting in his way in getting paid and has decided to give up trying, hence sharing this information. He mentions furry friends have warned him about working for FA, and that he didn't know about FA's dramatic history. He says FA's current code is horrid, the exploits are bad, the security is bad, but that he knows this isn't news to anyone. In addition, here is all of the code he's created for FA : https://github.com/SlvrEagle23/FAOpen Silver says he is now another person on the list of people who outright dislike Furaffinity, not because it's "trendy" , but that it's awful Silver has been very stressed / depressed / suicidal the last few months having to rely on FA for his only source of income while seeing how bad they treat everyone. He regrets the time and energy he has spent working for them. https://www.generosity.com/medical-fundraising/life-support-while-battling-depression Silver asks that people help donate some money if you can spare any, it will help him get on his feet for now! Edited January 27, 2016 by Draconas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calemeyr Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Onnes said: So why is it taking so long for IMVU to finally assume direct control of this flaming wreck? IMVU is just as badly run. You know fuck it, I hope Neer gets in a car accident and dies. Fuck him. That felt good. You know why I have such a damn low opinion of the fandom? Because a lot of furries don't stick up for one another or fellow "geeks". They'd so easily through each other or their new acquaintences under the bus to benefit themselves. The furries of FA will call this "drama and rumors" and dismiss it while they go back to their masturbation. This has happened time and time again. Will it get any better? No. It's disgusting, and it's one of the reasons why I have remained distant from the fandom. Individual people and events can be amazing (see cons like Anthrocon/charities/volunteer work), but as a fandom, we really, really need to shape up. I mean fuck, furries made it into the news today for being, well, perverted furfags to the Tony the Tiger account, which finally just began blocking all the furries. I mean...seriously, what the hell is wrong with this fandom? Again, individuals can be awesome, but the whole fandom just smells of the people we permit to act like morons, because we accept everybody. Unless they criticize popufurs. In which case it's "drama". But I hope there' a lawsuit out of this and something actually changes with FA. Cause that whole culture is like the rotten core of the fandom and, you know, if you start there things might just get better. Edited January 27, 2016 by Calemeyr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikazuki Marazhu Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I rather listen to this one lie than FA endless amounts of lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginpanther Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mikazuki Marazhu said: I rather listen to this one lie than FA endless amounts of lies. I don't think he's lying. But I think he was massively naive, showed poor judgement and is generally unaware of what it is to be an adult in the actual working world. Does that mean he earned what happened to him? Maybe, maybe not. In the end it doesn't absolve fat purple digimon Dragoneer and his corporate overlords posse of sycophants leaders from being douchebags for leading this poor dude on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 33 minutes ago, Calemeyr said: You know why I have such a damn low opinion of the fandom? Because a lot of furries don't stick up for one another or fellow "geeks". They'd so easily through each other or their new acquaintances under the bus to benefit themselves. The furries of FA will call this "drama and rumors" and dismiss it while they go back to their masturbation. This has happened time and time again. Will it get any better? No. It's disgusting, and it's one of the reasons why I have remained distant from the fandom. Individual people and events can be amazing (see cons like Anthrocon/charities/volunteer work), but as a fandom, we really, really need to shape up. I mean fuck, furries made it into the news today for being, well, perverted furfags to the Tony the Tiger account, which finally just began blocking all the furries. I mean...seriously, what the hell is wrong with this fandom? Again, individuals can be awesome, but the whole fandom just smells of the people we permit to act like morons, because we accept everybody. Unless they criticize popufurs. In which case it's "drama". But I hope there' a lawsuit out of this and something actually changes with FA. Cause that whole culture is like the rotten core of the fandom and, you know, if you start there things might just get better. All fandoms are full of retards, it's just the nature of the beast. Why do you think the vast majority of people here are generally wary of promoting their 'ties' to the fandom outside of very specific places? I mean there's a reason my Discord or Steam icon isn't the one I use here or on FA. No matter what any of us here say or do shit's gonna continue as usual so why bother throwing ourselves out there and putting ourselves at risk for literally zero chance of change? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 TBH, I'm kinda getting bored of all this FA drama. It's turned into the same story with every admin that quits. I'm not sure if these should count as "news" anymore when the video is practically some guy reading an old vivisector thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calemeyr Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: All fandoms are full of retards, it's just the nature of the beast. Why do you think the vast majority of people here are generally wary of promoting their 'ties' to the fandom outside of very specific places? I mean there's a reason my Discord or Steam icon isn't the one I use here or on FA. No matter what any of us here say or do shit's gonna continue as usual so why bother throwing ourselves out there and putting ourselves at risk for literally zero chance of change? Yeah. It's easier to just give up and jump ship. Go into the "oh I like anthros but I'm not a furry" boat. But it is weird that this fandom why people are so keen on separating their identities. It really is like this fandom is a secret shame, or a nightclub. There really is a furry closet. Because furries were so god damned stupid they went and made it into a "sexual lifestyle choice". How the hell do you make enjoying cartoon animals into a sexual identity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Calemeyr said: Yeah. It's easier to just give up and jump ship. Go into the "oh I like anthros but I'm not a furry" boat. But it is weird that this fandom why people are so keen on separating their identities. It really is like this fandom is a secret shame, or a nightclub. There really is a furry closet. Because furries were so god damned stupid they went and made it into a "sexual lifestyle choice". How the hell do you make enjoying cartoon animals into a sexual identity? Clearly they found a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I have the same avatar here as on Steam and Ashley is my real first name. :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmomma Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 hour ago, PastryOfApathy said: Because what the fuck do you even do? Like the only thing I can think of would be to let it burn and rebuild but then why even bother with all this shit? Does anyone even want to touch FA since really you would need like a full Hazmat team or something. This doesn't make any sense, but that's FA for ya. FA is a disaster zone similar to Deviant'art' (traced bases category....infringement is a-okay with DA). You'd have to shut that site down for who knows how long just to weed thru all the issues, and god only knows how long to put a dent in the report queue. The only difference between FA and DA is porn and the (former) owner of the site....that and there's a higher concentration of young teens and 12.5yr olds on DA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I said it once and I'll say it again: move to Weasyl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: I said it once and I'll say it again: move to Weasyl. I really don't like Weasyl's UI, and there's barely anybody on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamingGal Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Azurex said: I really don't like Weasyl's UI, and there's barely anybody on it. If people are pissed at FA so much and don't like the other options available, why not make something as a replacement? Instead of moaning and bitching about how FA sucks and it's nothing but the same shit different day, just make something else with reputable mods/admins and start afresh? Start working on solving the issue rather than complaining and moving on? I get it'd be a lot of work, but at this point wouldn't it be worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Azurex said: I really don't like Weasyl's UI, and there's barely anybody on it. Then choose somewhere else. Why would anyone support a fucktard like neer and co when he is willing to do shit like that to his own staff? Not to mention how shitty he treats his own userbase. Really want to hurt him, boycott FA. This has got me wondering if furries actually like being treated like shit? Maybe most are secretly masochist?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azu Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GamingGal said: If people are pissed at FA so much and don't like the other options available, why not make something as a replacement? Instead of moaning and bitching about how FA sucks and it's nothing but the same shit different day, just make something else with reputable mods/admins and start afresh? Start working on solving the issue rather than complaining and moving on? I get it'd be a lot of work, but at this point wouldn't it be worth it? 1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said: Then choose somewhere else. Why would anyone support a fucktard like neer and co when he is willing to do shit like that to his own staff? Not to mention how shitty he treats his own userbase. Really want to hurt him, boycott FA. This has got me wondering if furries actually like being treated like shit? Maybe most are secretly masochist?. Truth be told, I have pretty much no issues with FA itself other than it being a little outdated. I really don't care all that much about the internal, behind the scenes drama. I just use the site. As of now, FA is where the largest population of furries is, so until that changes, I'm not going to migrate elsewhere. Edited January 27, 2016 by Azurex 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamingGal Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just now, Azurex said: As of now, FA is where the largest population of furries is, so until that changes, I'm not going to migrate elsewhere. The population will only shift when there is another place for them to go and only when they see more people heading to said place. Otherwise it'll be a lot of "this sucks!" coupled with continued use of the system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamingGal Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 minute ago, 6tails said: That hasn't worked for any of the current furry sites. The only one that might gain real traction is Furry Network but even then reputation precedes the owner, an it is generally not favorable. Then there needs to be a mass polling of the furry community. What do you want from the site? What do you not want to see? Perhaps have applications for admin and mod and coder positions to be first voted on by the community and then reviewed by a smaller, more intense group. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's feasible by any means. There are so many furry sites right now trying to gain traction over the FA drama, but that means a lot of people are spread out over a lot of sites, which means no traction will be gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recel Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Azurex said: As of now, FA is where the largest population of furries is, so until that changes, I'm not going to migrate elsewhere. The problem is, most furrys seem to think the exact same way. Until FA burns to the ground physically, or Dragonneer finally makes a fuck-up big enough to really affect almost every user, nothing will change. The big artists don't want to move because they have all their followers, theirs established gallery on FA and they make money from there. And the viewers don't want to move because the artists stay. The only people that move around are less established artists, viewers who don't follow or "worship" some of the "stuck here" artists and those who had bad experiences with the site first-hand. The rest stay, just waiting for the other to make the first move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlastairSnowpaw Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 hopefully there's some sort of legal action he can take to deal with this, cause that sounds pretty silly. That being said the politics behind the site are not really enough for me to move to other sites. Businesses screw over individuals on a common basis behind closed doors, and these types of things don't really effect me and i can't pretend like they do when one place does a poor job at hiding this stuff. I'm positive most any decently sized company i interact with has screwed someone over really badly and I imagine a lot of websites are similar to this as well. Anger and trying to boycott this type of stuff is more likley just going to make them hide stuff better rather than try to improve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 24 minutes ago, AlastairSnowpaw said: hopefully there's some sort of legal action he can take to deal with this, cause that sounds pretty silly. That being said the politics behind the site are not really enough for me to move to other sites. Businesses screw over individuals on a common basis behind closed doors, and these types of things don't really effect me and i can't pretend like they do when one place does a poor job at hiding this stuff. I'm positive most any decently sized company i interact with has screwed someone over really badly and I imagine a lot of websites are similar to this as well. Anger and trying to boycott this type of stuff is more likley just going to make them hide stuff better rather than try to improve. Knowing FA's ahem stellar business record, I can all but guarantee that either he never signed a contract or the contract he did sign is worded in such a way he wouldn't be able to sue (at least successfully). Of course I'm in no way a lawyer, and ultimately the only people who know are him and FA/IMVU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 4 hours ago, GamingGal said: The population will only shift when there is another place for them to go and only when they see more people heading to said place. Otherwise it'll be a lot of "this sucks!" coupled with continued use of the system. Hey so how's that great Weasyl migration going? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Can someone explain me whats happening? Its difficult for me to understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sar Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, GamingGal said: The population will only shift when there is another place for them to go and only when they see more people heading to said place. Otherwise it'll be a lot of "this sucks!" coupled with continued use of the system. In an ideal situation, you would go where your friends go. But Furries don't work like that, they go where all the popufur artists are. Because whats the point in going elsewhere when I can wank to animal dicks in one place? When they start to go, things will end up more interesting because they've stopped sucking 'neers dick. Sorry, you can't sugar-coat it. Furries are only there for porn, the popufurs are there for porn. It's basically a monopoly because Furries can't stop touching themselves for 10 minutes. Edited January 27, 2016 by Sar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikazuki Marazhu Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Nova said: Can someone explain me whats happening? Its difficult for me to understand it. Dragoneer mieteten ein Programmierer und habe ihn nicht zu zahlen für seine Arbeit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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