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15 hours ago, Sar said:

I really hope Rainfurrest ceases to exist at some point because of what happened in 2015. I really think it should be ruined for everyone, so that the fandom would start to look at itself and realize doing these sorts of things are not okay in a civilized society. Just because you are at a con, does not mean the laws of social acceptance do not apply to you.

I hope i ceases to exist while these people are in it.

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7 hours ago, Clove Darkwave said:

I genuinely hope it tanks and so few people register that the convention ends out of bankruptcy. Goodness knows no one has the sense to stop them for any other reason.

Or maybe it won't and there'll be so many of these people that it serves as a containment. I don't know.

Maybe the Earth will have a tectonic fucking meltdown and bury us all.

There will always be some containment con. I mean someone has to hold all this literal human garbage (relatively speaking obviously) while they get all the sperg outta there system.

4 hours ago, Snagged Cub said:

I imagine that whatever hotel/con is, they'll loose more money in the long run due to a hit to their reputation than they were to make from hosting RF2016

... At least that's what I hope. Literally, keep your shit inside you or at least close the door

As far as I can tell the Hilton that mistakenly decided to house them is doing fine. They had the common sense to kick them out ASAP and really there's a very good reason they had to find a new hotel to shit up. hurr hurr

41 minutes ago, Vitaly said:

That photo gave me cancer

We're posting on a furry forum. The cancer started growing long ago.

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Admittedly some of those images didnt reach cringe tear levels to me. More just dumb/silly/childish

 

I really hope at this point the con enforces some serious rules. 

If people are going to be literally shitty, they shouldnt make it so others have to deal with it. That means even in the privacy and comfort of hotels if you contaminate it with filth some poor worker has to clean that up.

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49 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

Admittedly some of those images didnt reach cringe tear levels to me. More just dumb/silly/childish

 

I really hope at this point the con enforces some serious rules. 

If people are going to be literally shitty, they shouldnt make it so others have to deal with it. That means even in the privacy and comfort of hotels if you contaminate it with filth some poor worker has to clean that up.

I cringed. Oh how I cringed.

Especially when they threw the diapers on the cars and also bdsm gear on fursuits

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2 minutes ago, Calemeyr said:

Oh, I'd LOVE to see them try shit at BLFC. Casino security tackling and tazing some fat crinkletard/drunk fratboy would be the funniest shit ever.

I loathe to think of them trying it at FWA. This year will be my first time attending, and I rather not have it spoiled by the smell of shit. On that note, I'll make sure all babyfurs get the memo to attend BLFC, and at half the normal price, too! xD 

That being said, I wonder if these people act this way at other cons, or just Rainfurrest cause they can get away with it.

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Just now, GamingGal said:

I loathe to think of them trying it at FWA. This year will be my first time attending, and I rather not have it spoiled by the smell of shit. On that note, I'll make sure all babyfurs get the memo to attend BLFC, and at half the normal price, too! xD 

On that note, I wonder if these people act this way at other cons, or just Rainfurrest cause they can get away with it.

Probably a little of both, but I suppose RF's lax rules led to the behavior that got them shut down.

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You know, with the way some of you act and generalize an entire culture based on the actions of a few morons, I'm surprised the 3 babyfurs we have here stick around. Seriously, some of you sound like homicidal maniacs and I know which I fear the most.

Fore shame. 

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11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

You know, with the way some of you act and generalize an entire culture based on the actions of a few morons, I'm surprised the 3 babyfurs we have here stick around. Seriously, some of you sound like homicidal maniacs and I know which I fear the most.

Fore shame. 

You know, the real issue isn't the morons, they're always going to be around. It's the fact that this stuff had been building up for a while and nobody said anything. I mean, yeah, people would speak up when it's extreme, but the little stuff gets ignored. But that's where it starts. For a close-knit community, we seem to pretend furry is some solo hobby at times. And at other times we look after those who make us look bad, and throw the good under the bus. I don't know if this has to do with the cliquish culture this fandom has inexplicably developed in the last 5 years, but damn, people need to speak up. There's a lot of good out there (like that giraffe suiter getting his suit back after the box it was in was stolen from his car), but we need to be less lenient on the party hard and public fetish culture this fandom attracts.

In short, we spend FAR too much time worrying about breaking immersion (and gaining popularity) in this fandom that we tend to ignore the bad parts, and in some cases, contribute to it.

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You make a fair point. Which leads me to my next question: in regards to last RF, does anyone know if it were the actions of the few babyfurs that attended that were responsible for the ban, of was it a combination from all of the fetish groups? (that includes "normal" furs too).

From my understanding, most fetish groups frown upon actions that deviate to far from the social norm within their own culture; that was made clear when looking over the Twitter feed from last years event.

But you're right. Everyone needs to know when a certain behaviour is appropriate prior to what environment they're in. And, since conventions are (usually) open to everyone, social etiquette and decor comes into play.  

 

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30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

You know, with the way some of you act and generalize an entire culture based on the actions of a few morons, I'm surprised the 3 babyfurs we have here stick around. Seriously, some of you sound like homicidal maniacs and I know which I fear the most.

Fore shame. 

I'm all about people being comfortable with their fetish or what they like or who they are or what have you. I don't mind babyfurs who keep things at a civil level and see nothing wrong with them having art of their character in babyfur or wearing a diaper in public. And I have nothing wrong with people who are into bondage. Hell, I'll be the first to admit that bondage is some good shit. That being said, when your fetish or kink or whatever turns sour and has a negative impact on the community, something needs to change. A lot of the blame falls on the staff of RF who seem to have been very slack, but they put their trust in the community to behave like civil adults, especially in a public space. Renting a hotel does not mean it belongs to you like your hours. It's like visiting your grandparents; they'll do everything for you, even make you food and clean your room, but you better not disrespect them. The issue isn't with babyfurs or bondagefurs(?) in general, but the specific ones who thought it was a good idea to throw around soiled diapers, shit in hot tubs, wear kink clothing around children, etc. And the blame also goes to regular furs who got shitfaced and destroyed public property among whatever the fuck else they did.

Bottom line: the blame is on RF as a whole and those furs, babyfur or not, who ruined a good thing for everyone.

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

You make a fair point. Which leads me to my next question: in regards to last RF, does anyone know if it were the actions of the few babyfurs that attended that were responsible for the ban, of was it combination from all of the fetish groups? (that includes "normal" furs too).

From my understanding, most fetish groups frown upon actions that deviate to far from the social norm within their own culture. And, that was made clear when looking over the Twitter feed from last years event.

But you're right. Everyone needs to know when certain actions are appropriate prior to what environment you're in. And, since conventions open to everyone, social etiquette and decor comes into play.  

I believe it was the action of all furs overall that prompted the end of RF for this year. However, I am tempted to say that the more.....out there fetish and babyfurs might have put the stake through the heart with the flaunting bondage gear in front of children and throwing soiled diapers around.

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11 minutes ago, GamingGal said:

I'm all about people being comfortable with their fetish or what they like or who they are or what have you. I don't mind babyfurs who keep things at a civil level and see nothing wrong with them having art of their character in babyfur or wearing a diaper in public. And I have nothing wrong with people who are into bondage. Hell, I'll be the first to admit that bondage is some good shit. That being said, when your fetish or kink or whatever turns sour and has a negative impact on the community, something needs to change. A lot of the blame falls on the staff of RF who seem to have been very slack, but they put their trust in the community to behave like civil adults, especially in a public space. Renting a hotel does not mean it belongs to you like your hours. It's like visiting your grandparents; they'll do everything for you, even make you food and clean your room, but you better not disrespect them. The issue isn't with babyfurs or bondagefurs(?) in general, but the specific ones who thought it was a good idea to throw around soiled diapers, shit in hot tubs, wear kink clothing around children, etc. And the blame also goes to regular furs who got shitfaced and destroyed public property among whatever the fuck else they did.

Bottom line: the blame is on RF as a whole and those furs, babyfur or not, who ruined a good thing for everyone.

I believe it was the action of all furs overall that prompted the end of RF for this year. However, I am tempted to say that the more.....out there fetish and babyfurs might have put the stake through the heart with the flaunting bondage gear in front of children and throwing soiled diapers around.

Another fair point. But my gripe here is that there is not enough distinction between the one's that are accountable, and an entire subculture. Seems a little unfair to me. 

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Another fair point. But my gripe here is that there is not enough distinction between the one's that are accountable, and an entire subculture. Seems a little unfair to me. 

True, and I think babyfurs are the ones catching the most flak because of the diapers and everything that were strewn about. Plus that one person who was drunk or mentally ill and walking around in nothing but a shirt and a diaper.

Okay behavior: wearing a clean diaper (either hidden or not), having a pacifier, having a babyfur badge, acting a bit more childlike

Not okay behavior: wearing a soiled diaper, disposing of said diaper in places other than designated receptacles, acting literally like a newborn, making it more lewd than should be in public.

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It really boils down to people not acting like adults, which is everyone's fault. All in all, bad RF and shame on them for once again affirming the bad name us furries have.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Where do you stand with people in murrsuits or that have a BDSM fet? What would you consider okay/not okay behavior?    

With murrsuits, I don't mind you wearing them in public so long as there aren't over explicit sexual features (sheath, balls, vagina, openings in places, etc) and so long as your suit is washed and clean. I view it the same as, say, having sex on your couch or backseat of your car. Sure, the sex happened there, but so long as evidence of said act is gone then what's the fuss? It's not a sex couch or sex seat now. People might have sex in their fursuit and that's fine, but don't take bedroom specific things into public unless it's a designated area (like a fetish convention that's 18+).

My thoughts generally follow the same line with BDSM. I, personally, am into this fetish, and I guess I might as well pull from my personal experiences. I don't take my fetish outside of the bedroom because I'm still shy about it. The only place I allow it to be is bedroom and a website that's specifically dedicated to BDSM individuals to exchange tips and opinions and thoughts on how to safely enjoy their fetish. The people there are the same as me in that we know when it's inappropriate to allow our fetish to meld with our normal life. I'm not going to go grocery shopping with my cuffs and ballgag and covered in visible red marks. That's poor judgement and subjects bystanders to things they might not be comfortable with (of course, mainly thinking of adults with children, although abuse/rape victims as well). That being said, I see nothing wrong with, say, a collar or perhaps something underneath clothing that isn't visible to others but is known to you. And I see nothing wrong with wearing your gear/stuff in public at a designated area. Where I live there is a dungeon that is 19+ and allows people to act out fantasies and explore their kinks with others. You're allowed to wear your gear, or wear nothing at all, or just normal clothes. You're allowed to do whatever you are comfortable and willing to do with however many individuals because the area and space is designed for it.

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7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Where do you stand with people in murrsuits or that have a BDSM fet? What would you consider okay/not okay behavior?    

Hope you don't mind if I answer this too. In my opinion, there's a big difference between furries wearing fetish gear vs. fetish gear in the shape of animals. Some BDSM accessories etc. can look punk rawk, for instance, and aren't inherently sexual. As long as the wearer isn't acting inappropriate in public, the end result is basically a furry character with an edgy look. Mr. Rubberhorse or Dirtydiaperguy, on the other hand, don't belong at a fur con. If I was running the convention, I'd have kicked them out. Furry cons are intended to be family-friendly events for fans of anthropomorphic animal characters. Not a fetish ball. People need to respect the fact that furry cons are for furries first and foremost, and not about kink. Not that I have a problem with adult themes in the fandom, but the obvious stuff should be kept away from minors. It's okay to have a furry fetish, but bear in mind that furry itself is not a fetish. To get all fetishy at an event clearly intended for all ages, is to crash a party uninvited and therefore unacceptable.

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True. Perhaps I should have been more clear. Furry conventions aren't exclusively G-PG rated, but the sections and panels that aren't are generally identified as such, to give attendees fair warning. This sort of thing isn't exclusive to furry conventions, of course. It just seems to me that the default should be for all ages, and you have to deliberately seek out the adult stuff.

For what it's worth, I'd take my family to a furry convention if it was convenient and well run. Not Rainfurrest, of course, but past experience tells me that Anthrocon should okay.

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So, it seems the crinklefurs got angry. One told me "if you think RF's issues are from the fandom being too accepting of bad behavior, or if you think sexuality should be kept in the bedroom, then you're a furry republican". So basically the guy wants to have sex and shit himself in public and is throwing a temper tantrum that people tell him no. He also thinks we shouldn't root out the bad furried and try to improve the fandom's image.

Though when I asked him if he was retarded, his reply wasn't "how immature of you" as it should be, it was "I haven't been diagnosed as such, so not that I am aware of". My god, this man is dense.

This is the kind of people that went to RF. And no doubt they were part of the problem building up. But ultimately it's RF's fault for allowing this to go unchecked for so long, and the bystanders who did nothing. Retards will be retards, and dicks will be dicks  but you can make a difference, people.

Aparently, someone notified the Spokane hotel about why RF was moving. Which is why RF is dead, no matter what the naive furries who live in cartoon land think.

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22 minutes ago, Calemeyr said:

So, it seems the crinklefurs got angry. One told me "if you think RF's issues are from the fandom being too accepting of bad behavior, or if you think sexuality should be kept in the bedroom, then you're a furry republican". So basically the guy wants to have sex and shit himself in public and is throwing a temper tantrum that people tell him no. He also thinks we shouldn't root out the bad furried and try to improve the fandom's image.

Though when I asked him if he was retarded, his reply wasn't "how immature of you" as it should be, it was "I haven't been diagnosed as such, so not that I am aware of". My god, this man is dense.

This is the kind of people that went to RF. And no doubt they were part of the problem building up. But ultimately it's RF's fault for allowing this to go unchecked for so long, and the bystanders who did nothing. Retards will be retards, and dicks will be dicks  but you can make a difference, people.

Aparently, someone notified the Spokane hotel about why RF was moving. Which is why RF is dead, no matter what the naive furries who live in cartoon land think.

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what is this guy's FA and Twitter?...just curious

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It is a shame that idiots have to ruin what could be a good thing, I always wanted to go to rainfurrest because I heard it had a larger babyfur group there; but if people are leaving used diapers everywhere and acting like idiots then I don't want to step foot anywhere near that place >~<

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Just now, Saxon said:

Most North American conventions have a 'cub corner'.

European conventions tend not to; I think Eurofest was recently defending a staff member who told an attendee that they should consider committing suicide. I'm not sure what the attendee did, if anything, but as if that's going to make the situation any better. 

Oh my gosh that's terrible D: and here I thought Europe was more accepting of those things :/

 

(And thanks for the info, as I have never been to a con I wouldn't know that ^-^)

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3 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I was scrolling through twitter and merely saw furries mention its existence. I do not know which convention(s) they described, merely that they were north american. 

They must be talking about private parties or something because as far as I know there is no sanctioned babyfur area in any con that I know of.

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3 hours ago, Saxon said:

I was scrolling through twitter and merely saw furries mention its existence. I do not know which convention(s) they described, merely that they were north american. 

Seconded what Minty said. They are usually private parties with 1% of them being overtly sexual. 

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Good riddance. I went once and it was the lamest most boring convention I could imagine with way too many freaks running around. Not the normal silly goofy stuff I had become accustomed to with furries but straight up weird shit that really turned me off and ruined the experience for me. It wasn't enjoyable and this is why. They'd better leave FWA alone...

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