Crazy Lee Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) There was yet another mass shooting, this time in Kalamazoo. An Uber driver shot up some people, drove around, shot some more people.http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/us/michigan-kalamazoo-county-shooting-spree/index.htmlhttp://gizmodo.com/uber-passenger-unknowingly-joked-with-alleged-kalamazoo-1760478315 In the Kalamazoo area is where @MissFleece and @evan lives as well as Fay V I think. Fleece was bowling across state when it happened so I know she's okay, I think Evan is okay too... doubt Fay V was involved in this either. Watch this thread devolve into a gun rights argument as usual. But before you do, think about this. In Canada you can own guns too, but no one's mass murdering each other. So what the fuck is wrong with our country that makes this happen every once in a while? Why are we so angry about everything? Look at this shooter, white and in his 40s. Probably some angry Trump supporter, pissed at the brown people. Or maybe a perpetual virgin. Why are people so angry? Why is our society so fucked up? Also, good going there libertarian cab company. You vet your drivers so well. Free murrket! Edited February 22, 2016 by Crazy Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I don't understand the US's murder happy culture at all. I see so much of it on the daily, especially in my hometown where there's a shooting or something on the news every other week, I'm desensitised. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) "Look at this shooter, white and in his 40s. Probably some angry Trump supporter, pissed at the brown people. Or maybe a perpetual virgin" I can't take you seriously Edited February 22, 2016 by Gamedog 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Where's Rassah? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, Gamedog said: "Look at this shooter, white and in his 40s. Probably some angry Trump supporter, pissed at the brown people. Or maybe a perpetual virgin" I can't take you seriously I can't take anything on this forum seriously anymore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 all of us are safe. there was another shooting today but unrelated and only one victim, who survived. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazen Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, evan said: all of us are safe. there was another shooting today but unrelated and only one victim, who survived. This shit was super worrisome. I'm happy you weirdos are safe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilishlyHandsome49 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I predict this thread will go to shit in.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 18 minutes ago, Brazen said: This shit was super worrisome. I'm happy you weirdos are safe. its just been weird. crime has been rising fast lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Stay out of Michigan, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, LazerMaster5 said: Stay out of Michigan, guys. classic ohio propoganda :^) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrDingo Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 These stories just depress me. Is it so hard to not go around murdering each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 12 hours ago, Crazy Lee said: There was yet another mass shooting, this time in Kalamazoo. An Uber driver shot up some people, drove around, shot some more people.http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/21/us/michigan-kalamazoo-county-shooting-spree/index.htmlhttp://gizmodo.com/uber-passenger-unknowingly-joked-with-alleged-kalamazoo-1760478315 In the Kalamazoo area is where @MissFleece and @evan lives as well as Fay V I think. Fleece was bowling across state when it happened so I know she's okay, I think Evan is okay too... doubt Fay V was involved in this either. Watch this thread devolve into a gun rights argument as usual. But before you do, think about this. In Canada you can own guns too, but no one's mass murdering each other. So what the fuck is wrong with our country that makes this happen every once in a while? Why are we so angry about everything? Look at this shooter, white and in his 40s. Probably some angry Trump supporter, pissed at the brown people. Or maybe a perpetual virgin. Why are people so angry? Why is our society so fucked up? Also, good going there libertarian cab company. You vet your drivers so well. Free murrket! I don't think Canada has a gun culture like America either. Some Americans are so obsessed with guns and constantly go around complaining that the government is gonna take them away or some shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, evan said: classic ohio propoganda :^) Hey, at least Ohio has an actual industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: I don't think Canada has a gun culture like America either. Some Americans are so obsessed with guns and constantly go around complaining that the government is gonna take them away or some shit. MUH GUNS MUH RIGHTS MUH FREEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: I don't think Canada has a gun culture like America either. Some Americans are so obsessed with guns and constantly go around complaining that the government is gonna take them away or some shit. Yeah it does. If you take third world hell holes out of the equation we're in the top 10 on the planet for per capita gun ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) At least in Canada we trace a line between hand guns and rifles/shotguns, the former being for all intents and purposes illegal to even just own. Edited February 22, 2016 by Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 let's try to keep the gun debate to a minimum here. or at least keep it civil 16 hours ago, Crazy Lee said: So what the fuck is wrong with our country that makes this happen every once in a while? I'm sure you know the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, #00Buck said: Yeah it does. If you take third world hell holes out of the equation we're in the top 10 on the planet for per capita gun ownership. If you trust the wikipedia table on that matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country Guns per 100 residents... USA: 112.6 Switzerland: 45.7 Which is including militia weapons, which are stored without amunition Sweden: 31.6 Canada: 30.8 Germany30.3 So in Terms of ownership numbers, Canada is MUCH closer to Sweden and Germany than USA. (Besides, even with high ownership numbers you can have a responsibility culture about guns) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Canada is filled with hunters and gun-owners, it's just that America has shit health care in general and so people snap and go psycho and can't afford help 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I don't even understand what the US is any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikazuki Marazhu Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, Gamedog said: Canada is filled with hunters and gun-owners, it's just that America has shit health care in general and so people snap and go psycho and can't afford help Take care of foxy for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Jerry said: At least in Canada we trace a line between hand guns and rifles/shotguns, the former being for all intents and purposes illegal to even just own. You're totally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, #00Buck said: You're totally wrong. Care to develop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jerry said: Care to develop? Handguns are not illegal to own in Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecker Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 So Kalamazoo is actually a real place, then... Huh. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Wrecker said: So Kalamazoo is actually a real place, then... Huh. It is a cool name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless/Nameless Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, #00Buck said: It is a cool name. Cal, I'm a kazoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, #00Buck said: Handguns are not illegal to own in Canada. I do know that people who are required to carry a handgun because of their occupation are granted special authorizations. But to my knowledge, those and people in life-threatening situations are the only exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Jerry said: I do know that people who are required to carry a handgun because of their occupation are granted special authorizations. But to my knowledge, those and people in life-threatening situations are the only exceptions. You're totally wrong. Anyone with a license can own a handgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, #00Buck said: You're totally wrong. Anyone with a license can own a handgun. Any source? Not that I don't believe you but I'm curious to know more about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Oh Jesus. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm Here's the RCMP website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukh Whitefang Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) This has been all over local news, since it is local news. Its already been stated that this guy had no criminal history or any mental health history. What I found was intersting is this guy didn't just walk up and start shooting his 9mm handgun. He initiated conversations with everyone he shot. Meaning that there was a window before he pulled his gun. Now I am not saying this could have been prevented but, had another individual been lawfully carrying, they would have at least had a chance to have ended the shooting. Now that would have all been a moot point had this guy just been walking up to people firing away. Its situations like this, especially being so close to home that make me glad I have a cpl. Because at least I have the option to defend myself. Edited February 23, 2016 by Rukh Whitefang Grammer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 42 minutes ago, Wrecker said: So Kalamazoo is actually a real place, then... Huh. It and Albuquerque always sound like Bugs Bunny words. OT: This is a complex problem with many different factors going into it. It's not just one single thing that causes it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Lee Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) 21 hours ago, Gamedog said: "Look at this shooter, white and in his 40s. Probably some angry Trump supporter, pissed at the brown people. Or maybe a perpetual virgin" I can't take you seriously Awww are you a Trump fan? You mad? 8 hours ago, LazerMaster5 said: Hey, at least Ohio has an actual industry. Yea, and is boring and flat. I have driven through Ohio, give me Kansas any time instead. Nothing but farm fields all over the fucking place. You can keep your state. 4 hours ago, willow said: let's try to keep the gun debate to a minimum here. or at least keep it civil I'm sure you know the answer I do? Please enlighten me. 4 hours ago, Toboe said: If you trust the wikipedia table on that matter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country Guns per 100 residents... USA: 112.6 Switzerland: 45.7 Which is including militia weapons, which are stored without amunition Geez, why the hell is our country WAY higher than any other civilized country? We're leagues ahead of anyone else. Number 1 at gun ownership... WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! 20 minutes ago, Rukh Whitefang said: Now I am not saying this could have been prevented but, had another individual been lawfully carrying, they would have at least had a chance to have ended the shooting. Now that would have all been a moot point had this guy just been walking up to people firing away. Its situations like this, especially being so close to home that make me glad I have a cpl. Because at least I have the option to defend myself. I know you're not saying this specifically, but I hate it when people will say after these things "Well, if everyone had a handgun this would never happen." This ignores the fact that in the USA, pretty much almost anyone CAN own a handgun... and some can concealed or open carry, depending on state and local laws. Nothing is preventing everyone from owning a gun...the thing is a lot of people don't WANT to own a gun. And you can't exactly force them to own one either. Plus, it may not be a good idea for lots of people with little training to own guns they don't know how to use properly, it may end up making it worse. As for you defending yourself, only if he had shot another person first, or missed you. There's always that possibility that he would shoot you first and get a good shot in, and disable/kill you pretty quickly. Edit: You said local. Are you a Kzoo resident? That would be now 4 people from here from Kzoo, and I know some furs who live in Battle Creek.... Edited February 23, 2016 by Crazy Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukh Whitefang Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Crazy Lee said: I know you're not saying this specifically, but I hate it when people will say after these things "Well, if everyone had a handgun this would never happen." This ignores the fact that in the USA, pretty much almost anyone CAN own a handgun... and some can concealed or open carry, depending on state and local laws. Nothing is preventing everyone from owning a gun...the thing is a lot of people don't WANT to own a gun. And you can't exactly force them to own one either. Plus, it may not be a good idea for lots of people with little training to own guns they don't know how to use properly, it may end up making it worse. As for you defending yourself, only if he had shot another person first, or missed you. There's always that possibility that he would shoot you first and get a good shot in, and disable/kill you pretty quickly. No I am not saying every shooting could be prevented if everyone carried. I am saying that some are prevented and perhaps because this individual initiated conversations before pulling out a concealed handgun another person who was carrying could have reacted to stop it. Its basically a what if statement. I do know though that if I saw someone reaching to where a gun might be concealed my hand would have been reaching for my weapon. Thats not saying I could react fast enough however. But myself and some of my friends are not average gun owners so... And yes in a situation such as this perhaps someone else having a gun wouldn't have been able to stop the individual. Personally I like having the option to at least to try and defend myself than not have that option at all. The guy at court today didn't even show a shred of emotion whatsoever. Very cold demeanor. He also under his Miranda Rights admitted to the shootings. So it should move quickly through the judicial system. Edited February 23, 2016 by Rukh Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal7 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yeeaaah... I'm going to stick to my public transportation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 51 minutes ago, #00Buck said: Oh Jesus. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm Here's the RCMP website. You seem disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Jerry said: You seem disappointed Yeah. You live here. You should have a clue how things work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukh Whitefang Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Terminal7 said: Yeeaaah... I'm going to stick to my public transportation. Yeah about that. There was an armed robbery turned murder on a public bus in Wyoming, MI on February 1st. All involved were underage teenagers. Edited February 23, 2016 by Rukh Whitefang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, #00Buck said: Yeah. You live here. You should have a clue how things work. You shouldn't hold such high expectations of me. What do you think I am, a functional member of society? :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Jerry said: You shouldn't hold such high expectations of me. What do you think I am, a functional member of society? :V My expectations were already low. I now expect less than nothing from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, #00Buck said: My expectations were already low. I now expect less than nothing from you. Still way too high :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Jerry said: Still way too high :V Maybe you would be better suited on the other forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 37 minutes ago, Crazy Lee said: Awww are you a Trump fan? You mad? This was painful to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, #00Buck said: Maybe you would be better suited on the other forum. Nah, I like you guys too much to be such a traitor. That being said, remember next time that I'm not particularly knowledgeable, nor intelligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm just glad @evan, @MissFleece, and other Kalamazoo forum members are okay. I saw that and I was really worried about them because I rather like their presence here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Crazy Lee said: I know you're not saying this specifically, but I hate it when people will say after these things "Well, if everyone had a handgun this would never happen." It's also kinda the opposite of liberty if you cannot leave your house and return home alive without having to have a gun on your person all the time. It's pretty much giving in to shooters and murderers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Crazy Lee said: I do? Please enlighten me. no one wants to admit there's a gun problem in this country so things like this are just gonna keep on happening. I'm also gonna say untreated mental illness has a role here too only because the reports I've seen state the guy was driving recklessly while he was taking rides. as generic as it sounds 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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