#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 @Zaraphayx you're my hero! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 36 minutes ago, Caledonian said: I have no idea. but that's what the etiquette prescribes. also burning flags openly is regarded an act of war. By who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraphayx Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, Caledonian said: Nope, me, for example dont have any. Who said I was talking about testicles though? i believe i said balls not scrotum. You can still be ablist and also be a cripple. It's all that internalized ablism keeping you down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Toboe said: By who? Usually the group the flag belongs to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraphayx Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, #00Buck said: @Zaraphayx you're my hero! Thank you for your support and your post, citizen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagged Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'd also like to add that the flag as a symbol is as old as the civilization itself and their symbolism comes from the time when religion and rituals related to them dominated every day life. In a globalized world we live in, the symbolism and the meaning of the flags shouldn't be weighed so much it justifies a witch hunt against a teen who steps on a piece of painted cloth. That teen is still technically a child! I get it. We like to express how much we love our country and how much we like to support it. But people should learn tolerance. Someone stepping on a flag should not be interpreted as ultimate fuck you to you and everything you support Now burying a flag in dung and then burning it takes some effort, like in the picture above. Just maybe that is real disrespect because you're actually putting in an effort to desecrate a national symbol. Someone stepping on a flag? Just no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 5 hours ago, Saxon said: Very few countries permit beating homosexuals to death. It's not like failing to undertake a holocaust makes you an upstanding society; that's the bare minimum expectation. O_o I don't dance around saying 'I'm so proud of England for not systematically executing apostates'. Not exactly the group I was talking about, Saxon. Not that they shouldn't be included also. I'm pretty sure you know why I said that and for what reason, taking that and turning it into a holocaust comparison is silly and is not making an argument (which why would there be one anyway, do we really need to have an argument about not doing terrible things is a positive quality?) that is reasonable. Unless this is solely an attempt to vilify an entire country of people, which I certainly hope that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) 21 hours ago, #00Buck said: Without America they would all be speaking German right now. Theyd be lucky to speak german, history dictates that theyd all speak russian cuz frankly europeans are massive pussies and are getting cucked the fuck up by every nation od brown people. Also wow whole loads of people dont understand sentimentality towards a symbol. I get that you hate America and want to say edgelord things about it and thats fine but really youre just being intentional retards. Edited February 23, 2016 by Azure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I just want to spin flags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Saxon said: [assumed you were american] I've noticed you make a lot of assumptions and you are frequently wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 19 hours ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: But you're a BALD EAGLE! You're supposed to be the pinacle defender of 'murican freeduummmmm I'd rather spin rainbow flags. I'm not defending a piece of cloth, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Caledonian said: I beg to differ. Offending others should be avoided in all possible ways. it's simply not crickets. Some people are offended by stupid things, so I'd have to disagree with you. If we just avoid offending people, then we won't be able to do anything. 8 hours ago, Caledonian said: it's against flag etiquette. besides a flag laying on the floor dishonours it. as someone that collects national flags, I have looked up the rules to not insult anyone. If a flag touches the floor it is dishonoured and should be burned descreetly. A national flag is a symbol of a country but also of everything a country stands for and it's history. dishonouring a flag by standing on it is also dishonouring peoples country and possible source of pride. it's simply in bad taste. (ps: I have flags on all kinds of things and they don't turn me on, I just like flags.) Flag etiquette sounds ridiculously stupid. It's a piece of cloth for crying out loud! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: Some people are offended by stupid things, so I'd have to disagree with you. If we just avoid offending people, then we won't be able to do anything. People were offended with Beyonce's performance at the Superbowl. This should be a testament to how Americans are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just now, Zeke said: People were offended with Beyonce's performance at the Superbowl. This should be a testament to how Americans are. No...this should be a testament about how SOME Americans are. And I am offended at your generalization. This is why people hate Americans, because they take the most vocal of the morons and apply their view of those people to all Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 22 hours ago, willow said: America's a pretty shit country I suggest you try a third world country and say that. We still have it pretty good here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 28 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: I'm not defending a piece of cloth, thank you. The bible is just a book The white house is just a building War memorials are just statues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Saxon said: If someone raged about a bible getting put in a trashcan, they would also be being stupid. 'Just statues' and 'just buildings' are terrible arguments though, because buildings and statues are hugely expensive structures. You're missing my point My point is that while one person can look at a war memorial as"just a bunch of old statues", another person takes huge pride in it and understands it's purpose and what it stands for Though I do have to wonder... how many people who believe "it's jsut a cloth" take issue with the confederate flag? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gamedog said: You're missing my point My point is that while one person can look at a war memorial as"just a bunch of old statues", another person takes huge pride in it and understands it's purpose and what it stands for Though I do have to wonder... how many people who believe "it's jsut a cloth" take issue with the confederate flag? Oh, I understand war memorials, cloths and everything but they're all just things. Destroying them doesn't do anything for what they stand for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: Oh, I understand war memorials, cloths and everything but they're all just things. Destroying them doesn't do anything for what they stand for. Destroying or defacing them is undeniably a sign of disrespect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 hour ago, PheagleAdler said: I'm not defending a piece of cloth, thank you. I was making a joke ;w; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 2 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: I suggest you try a third world country and say that. We still have it pretty good here. doesn't change that this country is seriously fucked yes I get we have some privileges in the US but of the developed nations, we're lagging behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 49 minutes ago, willow said: yes I get we have some privileges in the US but of the developed nations, we're lagging behind Compared to most developed nations, we're also several centuries behind as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, Saxon said: Seriously, your country's veneration of national symbols is the same level of crazy as Islamic countries' veneration of the Koran. 1) Islamic civilization's foundational pillar--and arguably its civilizational "banner"--is the Koran. It'd be rather nonsensical to expect Muslims to not audaciously grace it with homage. 2) Worshipping flags is more or less an overt expression of human tribalism. In a way, the nation state is really just the rudimentary tribal unit taken to a proportional extreme. Regardless of language or locale, a flag functions as a common focal point in which the people of a nation can rally behind. They're an exceedingly potent form of symbolism and can become the stuff of history if certain circumstances permit. Edited February 24, 2016 by I Did It For The Cat Girls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Brainwashing is bad, and some people treat statism like a religion. This is no different from people getting pissed at someone drawing Mohammed or sticking a cross in a jar of urine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 11 minutes ago, Rassah said: Brainwashing is bad, and some people treat statism like a religion. This is no different from people getting pissed at someone drawing Mohammed or sticking a cross in a jar of urine. Why do you have to turn every thread into a "SOCIALISM BAD NO BIG GUBMIT PLS OH GREAT CAPITALISM GOD SAVE ME FROM ETERNAL TORMENT IN THE REALM OF POORDOM" discussion? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I know people who lived in communist countries. It sucked. Anyone who isn't into capitalism is stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: Why do you have to turn every thread into a "SOCIALISM BAD NO BIG GUBMIT PLS OH GREAT CAPITALISM GOD SAVE ME FROM ETERNAL TORMENT IN THE REALM OF POORDOM" discussion? Well, it is fitting to the thread topic, for a change. Others made the religion comparison, too. Heck, i actually agree with him. (Although i'd rather word it as "patriotism -> religion of nation") 4 minutes ago, #00Buck said: I know people who lived in communist countries. It sucked. Anyone who isn't into capitalism is stupid. Criticizing (implementations of) Capitalism =/= wanting the UDSSR back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Note Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Do any of you think Mr. "Guy Fiore" would even flinch if a kid had been doing that to an ISIS-flag? That's the beauty of calling people out on hypocrisy. And "don't even try to imagine what your life might be like without this flag."... Excuse you, but it's pretty damned good. Slightly hgher tax? Sure, but my freedoms are still pretty much the same as the US' population's, and from what I gather, our taxes are actually put into the public's "pockets" to a higher degree than in the US. Not really a fan of patriotism, and I really think American patriotism is the worst kind, because from what I've seen and been met with it borders on outright Nationalism and the idea of supremacy. If I feel like the country that I was born in is horrible, or if I [/euphemism]strongly disagree[euphemism] with something my country's government has recently done, like the Greeks burning Greek flags during the debt crisis starting back around 2010 (I think it was 2010, not really sure what exact year), and I want to make a symbolic stance against that country by stepping on a symbol associated with that nation, shouldn't I be free to make that expression? Not free of criticism, of course, but not denied the ability to make that expression freely? I sometimes wonder if it'd be a good idea to pit angry, American patriots armed with machineguns against one another in a giant arena-battle aired live on nation-wide television. And my money would be on Alex Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 22 minutes ago, Half-Note said: I sometimes wonder if it'd be a good idea to pit angry, American patriots armed with machineguns against one another in a giant arena-battle aired live on nation-wide television. And my money would be on Alex Jones. I would pay to see this I really would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Excessive patriotism bugs me. I never was one for singing anthems, or worshipping flags. I was born here, pretty cool, I guess. But I don't feel "proud" about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: Why do you have to turn every thread into a "SOCIALISM BAD NO BIG GUBMIT PLS OH GREAT CAPITALISM GOD SAVE ME FROM ETERNAL TORMENT IN THE REALM OF POORDOM" discussion? Didn't say nufin' bout socialism. Just stupid brainwashing into worshipping your country. Jingoism, Nationalism, etc are bad cause they divide us into Us vs Them, just like Jews vs Muslims vs Christians, and this flag worship is no different. The idea of "That flag gave you the freedom of expression to even allow you to do this!!! Now I'm going to come over and beat the shit out of you for expressing yourself!!!" is pretty retarded too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Toboe said: Criticizing (implementations of) Capitalism =/= wanting the UDSSR back. Yeah it does. You broke ass communist furry. Get a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, #00Buck said: Yeah it does. You broke ass communist furry. Get a job. DID YOU JUST CALL ME A FURRY?! TAKE THAT BACK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Communism is seriously bad though. And don't for one second start that shit up about "sounds good in theory" because it fucking doesn't sound good and you are an idiot for ever conjuring that up in your head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, Gamedog said: Communism is seriously bad though. And don't for one second start that shit up about "sounds good in theory" because it fucking doesn't sound good and you are an idiot for ever conjuring that up in your head. Communism is the worst. So many communists in this fandom. Broke ass furries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexInsane Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 52 minutes ago, Gamedog said: Communism is seriously bad though. And don't for one second start that shit up about "sounds good in theory" because it fucking doesn't sound good and you are an idiot for ever conjuring that up in your head. Let's see: Promise of death under Stalin. Or... Promise of death under Trump. ALL ABOARD THE COMMIE TRAIN, COMRADES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) Oh good, I can post commie related memes I mean seriously, think of THE WORST commie regime. How many people has it killed? 62 million in USSR? 77 million in China? Now think of THE WORST EVER business or CEO. How many people have they killed? Edited February 24, 2016 by Rassah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexInsane Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I see no difference. Money is just another name for power in our world, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Note Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rassah said: I mean seriously, think of THE WORST commie regime. How many people has it killed? 62 million in USSR? 77 million in China? Now think of THE WORST EVER business or CEO. How many people have they killed? The arms industry has killed hundreds of millions. CHECKMATE! Edited February 24, 2016 by Half-Note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half-Note Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 21 hours ago, Caledonian said: Usually the group the flag belongs to According to PC-pedia it's only regarded as an act of protest. If I remember correctly, for something to be regarded as an "act of war" in international law, it has to be an act made by a nation's government or while working on behalf of that government. Personally I don't see how burning cloth threatens the national security nor the freedom of the citizen's of that flag's country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlynnCoyote Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Doesn't this fall under Freedom of Expression or something? So the kid has an opinion. Who cares about anyone's opinion on the internet anyway? This is an excuse to be offended. There is no harm being done here but to people's feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I want to work the bare minimum and make as much money as a heart surgeon whats the big problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexInsane Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gamedog said: I want to work the bare minimum and make as much money as a heart surgeon whats the big problem I don't see one - heart surgeons usually turn up, do 20 minutes of twiddling, then charge you $50,000. Edited February 24, 2016 by AlexInsane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Heart surgeons need to give me free money im a little sad and don't want to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexInsane Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I want some free money too. Gimme monies, CEOs. I am your bastard child and you need to pay child support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 22 hours ago, Rassah said: Now think of THE WORST EVER business or CEO. How many people have they killed? Welp: The East India Company would be my first choice. They caused nearly 9 million deaths in just India in just the first few years of 1760. They were the direct or indirect cause of many wars; the Opium Wars, the American Revolution, and a number of wars in India, Indochina, Arabia, Europe, and the Pacific are among these. They caused millions more in death and famine from forcibly destroying the economies of many nations in Asia just so they could more cheaply sell tea and opium. While not deaths, they transported, sold, and used slaves from Madagascar and Somalia in Asia for over 200 years. Do imprisonment, torture, and execution independent of government approval count? The top five tobacco companies would be my second choice. They have been selling tobacco products having been aware of their certain miasma since the 1800s and well-aware of their proven medical hazards since the early 1900s. Nearly 100 million people were killed by tobacco in just the 1900s, and some of these guys have been around for much longer than that. I believe cigarette related deaths are at nearly half of a million each year now. Do people who can no longer function physically or mentally count as dead? Any number of other companies founded in the 1400s to 1700s would take my third choice. Any number of Dutch, French, and British companies that manipulated their governments to make war, founded and participated in the Western and Eastern slave trade, willingly caused poverty and famine in India, China, Africa, the Americas, and the Pacific, waged their own wars independent of their government to gain power, and/or acted in wanton piracy around the world from small merchant ships to raiding entire cities and small countries. I could go on and find more and more numbers, but I don't feel like digging any deeper into business history right now. Edited February 25, 2016 by MalletFace 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Good reply. The cigarette one is a bit iffy, since people choose to smoke themselves instead of that being forced on them by law or with guns/swords, but I was actually waiting for someone to bring up East India. Fuck those guys. But still less than 250 million killed by commies in just 1900's, and we can actually name the names: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro... The only name I can remember from East India was "Dutch" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 2/24/2016 at 11:21 PM, Gamedog said: Communism is seriously bad though. And don't for one second start that shit up about "sounds good in theory" because it fucking doesn't sound good and you are an idiot for ever conjuring that up in your head. Well communism does sound good in theory if you just kinda hate people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 2/24/2016 at 7:25 PM, FenrirDarkWolf said: Compared to most developed nations, we're also several centuries behind as well. Centuries? I'd recheck that calculation, bud. On 2/23/2016 at 4:43 PM, Gamedog said: Destroying or defacing them is undeniably a sign of disrespect. Oh really? Why is that? if I destroy my stereo I'm not disrespecting anyone, if I stomp on a pair of my pants I'm not disrespecting anyone. But if I do one goddamn thing to an American flag that I own, I'm disrespecting the entire country? 10 hours ago, Rassah said: Good reply. The cigarette one is a bit iffy, since people choose to smoke themselves instead of that being forced on them by law or with guns/swords, but I was actually waiting for someone to bring up East India. Fuck those guys. But still less than 250 million killed by commies in just 1900's, and we can actually name the names: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro... The only name I can remember from East India was "Dutch" They "choose" Yes, only when they start though. And cigarette companies are guilty of having advertised to children in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagged Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Rassah said: The cigarette one is a bit iffy, since people choose to smoke themselves instead of that being forced on them by law or with guns/swords And once they do start to smoke, the Nicotine kicks in and makes you crave for more. Eventually, you'll also get withdrawal symptoms should you attempt to quit. When it comes to seriously addicting substances like Nicotine, most drugs, and arguably caffeine, the freedom of choice is an illusion. It takes considerable effort to alienate oneself from (one of) those. One does not simply decide "Screw this. I won't take this anymore" and then be free and clean without any (at least mental) repercussions I'd go on a rant how much evil the companies have done throughout the ages but MalletFace said it the best already Also, I wouldn't be that against for smoking if it wasn't so damn unhealthy and common. Just look at how much of this arable land could be used to farm more useful plants Ahem, I think we have been derailed now. I'll leave now Edited February 25, 2016 by Snagged Cub phrasing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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