Gamedog Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 51 minutes ago, Saxon said: 12% of the American population is gay? Who said I was referring to gays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Saxon said: Blacks? There you go! Wanted to see who could guess it first Edited February 29, 2016 by Gamedog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 15 minutes ago, Saxon said: About 1 in 5 Gay people have HIV though, which is almost an order of magnitude more. Proof please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 there's a reason for those numbers but I'm not gonna get into that here 15 minutes ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: When did this become about blood donation policies? a few comments ago I guess? because Joshi brought it up as a reason why he doesn't like England (?) 8 minutes ago, Saxon said: All sex counts. Receiving a blowjob while you wear a condom counts. (That's actually the reason I am ineligible for the next 12 months, lol, not that I actually gave blood beforehand. :\ ) that sucks... OT tho: @Hux I think on this forum you'd see a similar result. but generally speaking like I mentioned earlier in a similar response, if someone was wiping their ass with a Qu'ran, they're probably doing it as a threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Saxon said: I think he brought it up as a reason he didn't like Germany? They probably both have the same policy, so I digress see I thought that but I couldn't tell but it wouldn't surprise me that much. Germans are really weird when it comes to the gays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, Saxon said: Studies indicate men who have sex with men are between 59 and 75 times as likely to get diagnosed with HIV : http://benthamopen.com/FULLTEXT/TOAIDJ-6-98 Where is your 1-in-5 statistic proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 33 minutes ago, Saxon said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_and_men_who_have_sex_with_men#cite_note-22 Varies between 2 and 20% depending on region. Essentially though, the point is that HIV associated with Men who have sex with Men is a much MUCH bigger problem than HIV rates along racial lines. The problem is multiplicative too; if you're black and gay then you have an astronomically bad chance of catching the disease. 44% of blacks have HIV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 @willow What if it's not a "threat"? Aren't they entitled to the same right to freedom of expression as this kid standing on the flag? How would something like that even be construed as a threat? "Oh, you damn muzzies, I wipe my ass with your holy book! Better watch out, next time I'll be wiping my ass with you!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) My brother told me a story about how he found a pile of dogshit that someone had stuck an american flag in. I came hard. Edited March 1, 2016 by Kellie Gator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Hux said: @willow What if it's not a "threat"? Aren't they entitled to the same right to freedom of expression as this kid standing on the flag? How would something like that even be construed as a threat? "Oh, you damn muzzies, I wipe my ass with your holy book! Better watch out, next time I'll be wiping my ass with you!" Exactly like that actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 57 minutes ago, Saxon said: I'm guessing you're deliberately cherry picking. Do you recognise that the case for turning away men who have sex with men is oodles better than turning away black people from blood donations? I sense that you do, but that you're more interested in arguing about minutia. I'm more concerned with 44% not being blocked but gays are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gamedog said: I'm more concerned with 44% not being blocked but gays are it's not so much that gays are blocked though, but if you engage in high risk behavior then you're barred for a period of time to make sure you didn't contract HIV same with traveling to Africa people who inject drugs are also barred for many of the same reasons it's also good to note the majority of black people who have HIV usually come from really poor areas and probably aren't donating blood anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If you are in a monogamous relationship, you should be able to give blood I think. But all gays are super sexual sex fiends or whatever stereotype is popular this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaraphayx Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Those vampires don't get my precious blood anyway.:^) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, Zaraphayx said: Those vampires don't get my precious blood anyway.:^) If blood was collected through the mouth I know you'd be showing them a nice juicy vein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Just now, Saxon said: I'm not so sure; your monogamous partner might have had sex with other people before hand, and could give you HIV. Even in monogamous relationships gay people will have higher rates of HIV. Nope. :3 Both clean as whistles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexInsane Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 34 minutes ago, Butters said: If you are in a monogamous relationship, you should be able to give blood I think. But all gays are super sexual sex fiends or whatever stereotype is popular this season. It's only the gay men that are the fiends. Lesbians have sex like, I dunno, every full moon? Or whenever it rains? Or some shit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, AlexInsane said: It's only the gay men that are the fiends. Lesbians have sex like, I dunno, every full moon? Or whenever it rains? Or some shit like that. So clearly the problem is dick. Don't let people with dicks donate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexInsane Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) I honestly wonder why they bother to make you go through a screening process since they then test all the blood anyway and cull what's unsuitable. I used to donate and then was like "I don't need any more t-shirts." Edited March 1, 2016 by AlexInsane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Saxon said: I'm not sure if you read the '44% of all new infections were attributed to Blacks' and assumed it meant that 44% of Black people have HIV? Gays in the USA account for 53% of all new infections. 53% shared among 2% of the population = 26.5 times more HIV than 'average' expectation for bulk population 44% shared among 12% of the population = 3.7 times more HIV than 'average' expectation for bulk population Do you see why doctors are more worried about gays than blacks? I'm on phone but I think it was 44% new cases in 2011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Saxon said: Phoenix is fucked on mobile so I can't delete this blank quote so ignore that 44 is still huge and blacks still make up a massive proportion of HIV infections, I have my own opinions as to why blacks aren't barred though. It's easier to discriminate against gays that it is blacks ive never had sex with someone who had HIV and I don't have HIV, yet I'm still barred? I get into monagomous relationships with people who don't have HIV and again where is the proof for. 1 in 5 whwre are you getting these stats???? Edited March 1, 2016 by Gamedog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, Saxon said: I think you're more preoccupied with minutia and the 'if I'm turned away they should be too!' mentality isn't really helping. Do you agree that, relative the general population, gay people are disproportionately more likely to contract HIV? Do you agree that, compared to the black population, gay people are disproportionately more likely to contract HIV? You should be able to see why doctors prioritise gays, then, right? I also agree that it's easier to turn 2% of the population away than a whole 12%; that's pretty much 1 in 8 people who walks through the door, rather than 1 in 50. I do agree with you that some of the reasons people are banned from donating blood are silly; I wouldn't be allowed to, if I tried, because I received oral sex from a man while I was wearing a condom less than 12 months ago. Gays more likely to contract HIV than straights? Yes gays more likely to contact HIV than blacks? I don't think so i undrstand denying gays who sleep around and have unprotected sex (just like i would for straights) but being denied cause you got a bj with a condom on from a dude months ago? I think that goes less into "this is for safety" and more into paranoid bizarro world "gays are dirty infected degenerates" How interesting. This is from CDC At the end of 2012, an estimated 496,500 African Americans were living with HIV, representing 41% of all Americans living with the virus. Of African Americans living with HIV, around 14% do not know they are infected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So yeah Flags and shit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Excerpt from the CDC's page entry on HIV infection rates in the gay and bisexual community: "Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)a represent approximately 2% of the United States population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24 years) accounted for 72% of new HIV infections among all persons aged 13 to 24, and 30% of new infections among all gay and bisexual men. At the end of 2011, an estimated 500,022 (57%) persons living with an HIV diagnosis in the United States were gay and bisexual men, or gay and bisexual men who also inject drugs." Clayton, how'd you even miss this? Edited March 1, 2016 by I Did It For The Cat Girls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm aware, I wanted the statistic that he keeps repeating as fact but never sources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 14 hours ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: Clayton, how'd you even miss this? It doesn't fit his victim olympic of "big bad X is protected by political correctness!" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Toboe said: It doesn't fit his victim olympic of "big bad X is protected by political correctness!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 On 2/29/2016 at 8:48 PM, Gamedog said: The point is that: Certain items hold important value and symbolization. Saying "it's just a flag" doesn't change a damn thing. Wanting to punch a guy in the face because he stepped on a flag is stupid, and I doubt you owned that particular flag. Quite frankly, if this country NEEDS symbols in order to be known as the 'land of the free and the home of the brave' and cannot make that clear through actions alone, something's terribly wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileyWarWeasel Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 3 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: Wanting to punch a guy in the face because he stepped on a flag is stupid, and I doubt you owned that particular flag. Quite frankly, if this country NEEDS symbols in order to be known as the 'land of the free and the home of the brave' and cannot make that clear through actions alone, something's terribly wrong here. Who cares about actions when you can simply repeat the words "profound", "change" and "recovery" over and over ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 14 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: Wanting to punch a guy in the face because he stepped on a flag is stupid, and I doubt you owned that particular flag. Quite frankly, if this country NEEDS symbols in order to be known as the 'land of the free and the home of the brave' and cannot make that clear through actions alone, something's terribly wrong here. Who said I advocated violence, or wanting to do violence? Do you have any problem with America's bird symbol being the Bald Eagle? Do you understand why that is? Do you understand the concept of sentimental value, representation, or symbolism at all? I get the feeling that these are concepts you can't grasp. Would you get mad if someone came by your parent's graves and took a big shit on em? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 On 3/8/2016 at 5:11 PM, Gamedog said: Who said I advocated violence, or wanting to do violence? Do you have any problem with America's bird symbol being the Bald Eagle? Do you understand why that is? Do you understand the concept of sentimental value, representation, or symbolism at all? I get the feeling that these are concepts you can't grasp. Would you get mad if someone came by your parent's graves and took a big shit on em? You know what? I am getting a bit angry, AT YOU. Goddamn, let it go already, please. I understand these concepts quite well, what I 'cannot grasp' is that people like you continue to get bent out of shape any time something happens to a precious American flag. Do you not understand the concept of OWNERSHIP? This is America, these people can and should be able to do what they please with what they own. What you fail to comprehend here is that NONE OF THESE FLAGS ARE MINE. You can't compare someone shitting on my parents' graves (both are alive atm, so that's not even relevant anyway) to someone doing something construed as offensive to a random American flag that I most likely do not own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 On 3/8/2016 at 2:08 AM, PheagleAdler said: Wanting to punch a guy in the face because he stepped on a flag is stupid, and I doubt you owned that particular flag. Quite frankly, if this country NEEDS symbols in order to be known as the 'land of the free and the home of the brave' and cannot make that clear through actions alone, something's terribly wrong here. symbols are generally there to stir some sort of emotion in people. so it's not about being known for anything but rather that when you see an American flag, it makes you feel some sort of emotion. also symbols are easier to show than words tbh 7 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: I understand these concepts quite well, what I 'cannot grasp' is that people like you continue to get bent out of shape any time something happens to a precious American flag. Do you not understand the concept of OWNERSHIP? This is America, these people can and should be able to do what they please with what they own. whatever someone does in their own time in private is fine but if you're gonna post that you're desecrating something a lot of people have some sentimental attachment to in a public place like Facebook, you're probably going to be criticised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 They should get their own flags. Then they'd at least have a backup one to look at. Violence over a flag? Nope, bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 1 minute ago, PheagleAdler said: They should get their own flags. Then they'd at least have a backup one to look at. Violence over a flag? Nope, bad idea. I think you're missing the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, willow said: I think you're missing the point Do tell me what the point is then, because I don't see anything good from getting upset over flag desecration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Just now, PheagleAdler said: Do tell me what the point is then, because I don't see anything good from getting upset over flag desecration. obviously if you yourself don't have any sort of attachment to it, it doesn't make sense. but, despite the shitty things that have happened in the name of 'freedom', a lot of people attach emotional sentiment to it. so seeing anyone disrespect it, even if it's not their own, will probably upset them. it's not that hard to understand really.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Just now, willow said: obviously if you yourself don't have any sort of attachment to it, it doesn't make sense. but, despite the shitty things that have happened in the name of 'freedom', a lot of people attach emotional sentiment to it. so seeing anyone disrespect it, even if it's not their own, will probably upset them. it's not that hard to understand really.. Oh, I understand what it symbolizes, it's still just a piece of cloth though. As for what it symbolizes, those things aren't going anywhere when something happens to the flag. My point is, MAYBE people should get upset about more important things, like their own health, education, etc. Let me ask a rhetorical: if you had to leave a burning building, would you stop to take your flag(s) with you, even though it may mean you'd be risking your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: Let me ask a rhetorical: if you had to leave a burning building, would you stop to take your flag(s) with you, even though it may mean you'd be risking your life? I'm assuming by burning building you mean my house in which case yes because they have some value to me due to how I got them. also because they were both $20 and I don't wanna replace them they're not American flags but same idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 If you step on and burn my guard flag I'd get pretty upset. I paid over 30 dollars for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 22 hours ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: If you step on and burn my guard flag I'd get pretty upset. I paid over 30 dollars for that! $30...wow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: $30...wow... These things don't come cheap. They're more fit for group use instead of individual use. Buying over a certain amount nets you a discount I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 God hates flags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 On 3/12/2016 at 1:46 AM, FenrirDarkWolf said: These things don't come cheap. They're more fit for group use instead of individual use. Buying over a certain amount nets you a discount I believe. It's not like someone burned your house down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said: It's not like someone burned your house down... I don't get what you mean by this... BUT I COULD BURN MY HOUSE DOWN WITH FIRE TWIRLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 On 3/15/2016 at 3:02 AM, FenrirDarkWolf said: I don't get what you mean by this... BUT I COULD BURN MY HOUSE DOWN WITH FIRE TWIRLING I'm saying $30 isn't a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 9 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: I'm saying $30 isn't a big deal. Ohhhh well it's 30 dollars... unless you buy other things too. And then add shipping prices... then it's 60 I don't know if you know, but I'm poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 10 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: I'm saying $30 isn't a big deal. Maybe not to you though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 1 hour ago, willow said: Maybe not to you though Bby 30 dollars with me and I'll teach u ur way around a pole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 46 minutes ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: Bby 30 dollars with me and I'll teach u ur way around a pole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just now, willow said: You know it We'll make conservative Christians cry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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