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4 hours ago, Saxon said:

"when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,"

How dare someone suggest that libel should include false accusations and attempts at character assassination.

I think libel law already includes this, though. 

Except that libel laws in the US are dodgy at best. Even if you have proof that someone said or did something wrong, they can sue you provided that they have the money to fight it. 

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All Hail God King Trump, bring shitposting to Washington.

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Way to paint a broad brushstroke. Ive met liberals who are horrible people, Ive met conservatives who are horrible people. Ive also met liberals who are very nice and conservatives who are very nice.

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Liberals, conservatives, or whatever else label you choose to apply to yourself how about we all take the time to look past the rhetoric and the stereotypes and actually understand the viewpoints and

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1 hour ago, Saxon said:

Besides the point; my concern was that people were so keen to make a spectacle out of Trump that they were exaggerating boring things that he said or did into hyperboles...which seems pointless when he has espoused enough actual weird shit. 

Except that making a spectacle out of Politics here in America is our national pastime. If it isn't Trump saying something outlandish that the media takes a piss out of, it is Ted Cruz, Mark Rubio, or the Political dropouts like Jeb Bush or Ben Carson. If it isn't exaggerated, then the news isn't worth watching. 

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12 hours ago, Zeke said:

Socialism! :V

I have nothing against the guy, but trying to pass even one Socalism-based policy is going to meet the cockblock of congress' Red faction. 

Oh the irony of RED faction blocking "Socialism-based" policy.

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57 minutes ago, AlexInsane said:

At this point, I think I'd feel happy for Britain to come over here and start enslaving white people to work for the Second Empire.

I'd make a great bum for the upper classes to cluck at on their way to the banks. 

Does the UK even have the force to overthrow the US any more?

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1 hour ago, FenrirDarkWolf said:

Does the UK even have the force to overthrow the US any more?

It'd be virtually impossible for any large country to successfully overthrow any other large country in this day.

The UK could certainly obliterate every major U.S. city; though, they'd not get much but a dead Trump - and they might not even get that.

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10 minutes ago, MalletFace said:

It'd be virtually impossible for any large country to successfully overthrow any other large country in this day.

The UK could certainly obliterate every major U.S. city; though, they'd not get much but a dead Trump - and they might not even get that.

You wouldn't get that, just millions of dead civilians. Will never happen.

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I've actually noticed the opposite. Bernie supporters are more than willing to vote for Hillary if he doesn't get the nomination, but my Hillary supporting friends are so opposed to him getting the nomination and constantly go on about how he's a shitty candidate 

so really, they're all crazy 

 

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20 minutes ago, BlitzCo said:

I have never heard a legitimate argument for Hilary being president except for "muh woman president*"

 

*And that's not even a good argument either

Here's a good argument 

If it's her, it's not Trump

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21 minutes ago, BlitzCo said:

I have never heard a legitimate argument for Hilary being president except for "muh woman president*"

 

*And that's not even a good argument either

Okay, can you come up with a better argument for Trump, Cruz, or Carson?

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2 hours ago, LazerMaster5 said:

Okay, can you come up with a better argument for Trump, Cruz, or Carson?

 

>implying I like any of those guys

As I said, I don't any of the people running for president

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I genuinely think that Donald Trump is going to be one of America's better presidents regardless of sensitivity-related topics, and of course the whole "wall" thing, as it's been established that the social and economic implications of mass uncontrolled immigration are of no interest to a fraction of this forum who can only see skin colour. :^)

He wants to remove income tax for the lowest income groups, including poor married couples. Isn't this something that those afraid of dem money-grubbing Republicans would normally get behind? Yes he did say he wants to reduce taxes on corporations which sounds downright heretical to those who don't have much money of their own but there's more to it than "favouring the rich".

He says he wants to close tax loopholes. Who could be better at doing this outside of someone who has likely been using them for decades and made a killing? Reduction on taxes for corporations eases the complaints regarding this move and can ensure that the massive corporations operating in America actually do pay their taxes in full. We have a problem like that in the UK. Google makes billions from us but only pays the smaller taxes for the much smaller amount it makes in the land of its HQ, Ireland. What rich man wants to pay the UK's 45% income tax for his earning range, anyway? They'll either find a loophole or not operate here at all.

He wants to impose tariffs on imports, and he wants them to be big. This has been spun before as "Trump wants you to pay more for consumer goods", scaremongering from a half-truth. The Chinese economy has a huge dependency on selling tons upon tons of cheap meh-tier goods (often for non-chinese companies) and Trump's move is going to fuck 'em up good. Who will want to buy their stuff after it's so expensive? It'll mean Americans will have to find a new, cheaper source that isn't weighed down by the large taxes. The theory is that this will revitalise American industries by pushing away their competition. You'll be buying American goods, by American factories, by American workers, and other countries will want them too, instead the usual movies and weapons.

He wants to audit the federal reserve, something that's long overdue. This scares a lot of higher-up people, to no surprise. I'm not an economist and I don't know too much about it, but it's well understood that there may be something wrong regarding America's money and its value and the Fed may be at fault somewhere. Remember that the last person who wanted to end the fed also got shot. *tips tinfoil*

He's not a warmonger looking to start WW3, that's hearsay from scared liberals and it doesn't make any sense. Sanders has a record of voting for pro-war bills in congress, Hillary also has a lot of war-related dirt on her but I don't know the specifics. Trump has openly stated he wants to remain neutral on the Israel/Palestine conflict and wants Russia to go ahead and deal with ISIS by itself. Americans are confident in their ability to smash ISIS, but support for foreign wars has been very low and the rise of ISIS hasn't been enough to muster 9/11 levels of support. Americans and Europeans are sick to death of the middle-east.
I believe Trump already stated he wants better relations with Russia. Russia's economy has a great dependency on oil, and if Syria is destabilised or a new government is put in place (as is the pattern with western intervention in the middle east for the last decades) a new pipeline will be built through Syria and into Europe, creating new competition that could make Russia suffer. Russia is not going to let that happen, and if the American establishment keeps pushing for it, there WILL be blood, be it of Americans or their proxies.

Just my thoughts from what I know or think I know. May be some errors.
 

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3 hours ago, Toshabi said:

Why are democrats so whiny? Legit question, cause even through Obamarama, they always seem to be "That Obnoxious Political Party" moreso than irl biblethumper guntooters. Or is that just political people in general?

Because liberals are always whiny. Always have, always will be.

1 hour ago, Sir Gibby said:

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That's the fucked up thing right? I initially jumped on the whole Trump bandwagon as a kind of ironic half-joke sorta like most people. I mean the dude is a borderline human caricature of a human being and is quite frankly one of the most entertaining, serious campaigners in a long time.

But then something weird happened, shit started making sense. Sanders is an ultimately doomed ideologue and Hillary is the most corrupt and disingenuous cunt since goddamn Nixon. The main problem I've always had the GOP and everyone associated with them is that they've always been absolutely ass-backwards about everything but fiscal and occasionally foreign policy, but Trump is straight-up telling them to fuck themselves on social issues and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it except to pray for a brokered convention.

But the thing that really convinced me as an article I saw from the New York Times I think about how every 4 years they have a private interview with all the candidates, and allegedly off-the-record (and behind a confidentiality agreement since lol journalistic integrity) he admitted that a lot of his more ridiculous claims such as his infamous "wall", are simply bullshit to get him elected and he knows it. There was also the tidbit where I guess in one of his own books he talks a lot about how one of his main business strategies is to take whatever position would be most advantageous to him even if he personally doesn't like it.

Is he racist/homophobic/Islamophobic/whatever? No. Is he an asshole? He's Trump. But is he the first real shot at having a legitimate, honest-to-god outsider who can and will kick the ever-loving shit out of the GOP and Hillary Clinton while doing what he wants, and making actual goddamn changes in Washington? Even if he fails (which in practice there's a good chance), I can at least say that someone tried.

Also fuck Hillary Clinton.

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Just now, Saxon said:

Making up bullshit to create drama to get yourself elected isn't compatible with notions that Donald Trump is an honest candidate who speaks his mind, is it? 

That's if you grant the assumption that his hyperbolic claims are all publicity stunts; he was accusing Barack Obama of faking his birth certificate before he began establishing himself as a future politician. 

Everything he does, he does for attention, like back in 2012 when like you said he revived that whole "birther" nonsense so everyone would pay attention to him...just as the new season of The Apprentice was starting up. I think he honestly flops between over-the-top rhetoric (we're gonna build a wall, etc.) and his honest opinions (stop villainizing Planned Parenthood since they legitimately help millions of women) whenever he feels like it.

I don't like all of his rhetoric, but due to the inherently slimy nature of politics it's pretty naive to assume a candidate will ever be 100% honest. But the fact that he's willing to be honest on something as huge as Planned Parenthood (which to non-Americans is effectively public enemy #1 to the religious right) completely unprompted and publicly spitting in the GOP's in the process means something to me.

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Just now, PastryOfApathy said:

Everything he does, he does for attention, like back in 2012 when like you said he revived that whole "birther" nonsense so everyone would pay attention to him...just as the new season of The Apprentice was starting up. I think he honestly flops between over-the-top rhetoric (we're gonna build a wall, etc.) and his honest opinions (stop villainizing Planned Parenthood since they legitimately help millions of women) whenever he feels like it.

I don't like all of his rhetoric, but due to the inherently slimy nature of politics it's pretty naive to assume a candidate will ever be 100% honest. But the fact that he's willing to be honest on something as huge as Planned Parenthood (which to non-Americans is effectively public enemy #1 to the religious right) completely unprompted and publicly spitting in the GOP's in the process means something to me.

As far as the planned parent bit goes, he said that he likes what they do, but would make a bill defunding it because they offer abortions. 

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1 minute ago, PastryOfApathy said:

 I think he honestly flops between over-the-top rhetoric (we're gonna build a wall, etc.)

The "build a wall" thing isn't really nonsense, the way I see it. Border walls work when they're used except for cheaply-made Chinese ones. You can look at the Hungarians or the Israelis as an example. They could fund it by taking it out of the hundreds of millions in aid they send to Mexico already. And it could open up a lot of jobs for its construction, maintenance, and guarding.

Radical and a bit nutty? Yes. Unworkable? Not as such.

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Just now, Saxon said:

On a serious note though, talking about how many jobs building a bill wall thousands of miles long would create is moot. If you wanted to employ lots of people you could build a bridge to nowhere; it doesn't mean that it is a profitable or good idea.

 

But a giantass border wall just might be. As it stands the southern border is like Swiss cheese. Same for the north actually, I hear tales about American/Canadian hunters/hikers accidentally passing into each others' countries.

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