State of the Union: March 9th 2016

[Zeke]

State of the Union

The New RP forum

 

  Having an RP forum was planned in the initial stages of the forum’s creation but was never implemented.

Before FAF’s 1.0 destruction, the old forum staff created documents to provide rules to prevent it from becoming a fetish cesspit. It would also be an extension of the Forum Games as a separate entity.

 

The Rules currently prevent users from creating fetish RPs or ERP threads. There is also going to be some quality control with what threads can and cannot be posted in it to prevent spamming/trolling posts. Threads that seem nonsensical will be moved to the black hole or locked.

What does it mean for the forum? Just an additional subforum for RPers. Nothing more save for a bit of quality control to prevent it from becoming a haven for fetish RPs and/or treating the forum like a "dating site" (even though it is named after a place that's known for sexual liaisons :V).
 

The Black Hole

 

It has come to our attention that users have complained about topics, posts, and such in the Black Hole. We do not want to get rid of it, but there will be some firm handling with certain topics:

• Parody Threads (Subject of discretion)
• Threads that have extreme NSFW images or videos embedded in it (Shock porn, gore, etc)

Topics that do not have a place within the other sections may be moved to the black hole.

 

NSFW vs SFW: What constitutes what here on PaF?

 

For clarification on the current rules on PAF, most of what the NSFW rule’s for is embedding images or video content that contains explicit images or media (i.e. Pornographic videos). We already know that there’s a few threads posted here with what constitutes NSFW content and we will try to alter it a bit without being too prudish or too liberal.

 

We understand that users will make jests about sexual content in the fandom, outside of the fandom, etc. We’re (most of us) are all adults.  All that we ask is use your better judgement and do not go above Rated R for the most part and tag your threads containing content not suitable for work NSFW so people have some warning beforehand. That includes threads with videos, images (Hotlinked), etc.

Additionally, we know that many users are open about their own personal sexual experiences and while we do not want to discourage discussion, we simply ask that all discussion of this nature not become too explicit.

 

Potential Subforum additions and ideas(?)

 

• A subforum in The Den to discuss fursonas

 

Infraction system and punishments

What constitutes a need to give an infraction?

 

Infractions are only given out if a member has broken any or all of the forum rules. Warnings that are  Zero (0) points total can be given in place if the violation isn’t as severe or if the user does not have a record of infractions on their profile.

Infractions given for extreme behavior may have a prolonged time until they expire to being permanent.

 

Users that have accumulated a number of infractions may be subjected to:

 

• Post moderation for a set amount of time (a day to two weeks maximum depending on the behavior)
• Suspension (depends on the violation/Amount of points)
• Permanent (Must be discussed with staff beforehand)

Users can appeal to their infractions if they feel that it is unjust to a staff member. Any appeals that are crass or insulting may result in an automatic denial.  

Appeals can be made at phoenix.forums.staff@gmail.com

 

Points:

• 0-2: No action taken save for a warning that your privileges may be restricted in the future.  
• 2-3: Post moderation. You can still post, but the mods have to approve of them.
• 3+: 1-7 day suspension. Extreme behaviors may elicit longer punishments.

Users that continue to collect infractions and show no course of changing may result in a permanent ban from the forums.

How long do the points last?

Points generally last from five to seven days depending on the severity. However, if a user is a repeat offender, the points will last longer on that person’s account.

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Any other questions and suggestions? Post away!

 

[PastryOfApathy]

Couple things, firstly the activity feed is still showing RP stuff.

Secondly can we have some clarity about how how long infraction 'points' last for? Like I have 2 right now, one from all the way back from fucking September and one from a few days ago and there's zero indication about when they expire, if they expire, etc.

Edited March 9, 2016 by PastryOfApathy

[Zeke]

6 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Couple things, firstly the activity feed is still showing RP stuff.

Secondly can we have some clarity about how how long infraction 'points' last for? Like I have 2 right now, one from all the way back from fucking September and one from a few days ago and there's zero indication about when they expire, if they expire, etc.

I'll take a look at the points, but they are both set to never expire. 

AS for the points, we can set them to how long they last when we give an infracton. Some minor infractions should last for a few days at most, but it automatically sets to "never expire" when giving an infraction. 

So whoever gave you the infractions forgot to uncheck the never expire. 

[Zeke]

The RP forum, looking into that. It shouldn't show up on anyone's topic feed.

[willow]

8 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Couple things, firstly the activity feed is still showing RP stuff.

it looks like you can narrow which subforums show up in your activity feed manually. just go to Content Types, select Topics, and then there's a little gear on the side where you can select which content shows up in your feed

[TrishaCat]

When referring to the Black Hole, you said " there will be some firm handling with certain topics:"

What do you mean exactly? Does that mean the topics listed aren't allowed, or that they may be heavily monitored/locked/disallowed depending on the context? Or something else?

[PastryOfApathy]

7 minutes ago, Zeke said:

I'll take a look at the points, but they are both set to never expire. 

AS for the points, we can set them to how long they last when we give an infracton. Some minor infractions should last for a few days at most, but it automatically sets to "never expire" when giving an infraction. 

So whoever gave you the infractions forgot to uncheck the never expire. 

Is there any way to change the default in some capacity? I mean I personally don't care, but someone getting a ban or something for what seems like a minor infraction because of a couple built-up points from like over a year ago seems like a good way kickstart another spergy, "kill all mods" circlejerk.

[Endless/Nameless]

5 minutes ago, willow said:

it looks like you can narrow which subforums show up in your activity feed manually. just go to Content Types, select Topics, and then there's a little gear on the side where you can select which content shows up in your feed

Which is good, because some people would like the "All Activity" feed to actually show "All Activity". I'm all for the homepage not showing RP/Black Hole, but I say let people create their own activity feeds for the rest of it.

And don't forget, you can set any custom/preset activity feed as your default by clicking here:

[Zeke]

8 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Is there any way to change the default in some capacity? I mean I personally don't care, but someone getting a ban or something for what seems like a minor infraction because of a couple built-up points from like over a year ago seems like a good way kickstart another spergy, "kill all mods" circlejerk.

There is and I went ahead and did it.

 

13 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

When referring to the Black Hole, you said " there will be some firm handling with certain topics:"

What do you mean exactly? Does that mean the topics listed aren't allowed, or that they may be heavily monitored/locked/disallowed depending on the context? Or something else?

Meaning that there weill be a bit of quality control for certain types of threads, such as:
 

[Endless/Nameless]

5 minutes ago, Zeke said:

quality control

I kinda thought Black Hole was supposed to be low-quality, but whatev.... I found those threads quite funny myself. 

[willow]

13 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

When referring to the Black Hole, you said " there will be some firm handling with certain topics:"

What do you mean exactly? Does that mean the topics listed aren't allowed, or that they may be heavily monitored/locked/disallowed depending on the context? Or something else?

I'm leaning more towards disallowed depending on the content/context. mostly because the first page of the BlackHole has been littered with '_________ IS THE WORST FETISH' type threads and it's been getting out of hand. that was the main issue. if maybe one or two parody threads had been made it wouldn't be an issue but more than 75% of the threads are about some fetish.

we realize that the BlackHole was more or less the Chatterbox and that anything's allowed but it's not fun anymore when people just copy whatever the last thread was about and just change a few words..

[TrishaCat]

10 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Meaning that there weill be a bit of quality control for certain types of threads, such as:
[pictures of the unending mass of IS BEST FETISH threads]

 

4 minutes ago, willow said:

I'm leaning more towards disallowed depending on the content/context. mostly because the first page of the BlackHole has been littered with '_________ IS THE WORST FETISH' type threads and it's been getting out of hand. that was the main issue. if maybe one or two parody threads had been made it wouldn't be an issue but more than 75% of the threads are about some fetish.

we realize that the BlackHole was more or less the Chatterbox and that anything's allowed but it's not fun anymore when people just copy whatever the last thread was about and just change a few words..

All right, just making sure. 

Seems fair. Too much of a "good" thing and all that. I like the idea of parody threads happening from time to time, and even a small chain of them can be kind of fun, but I can see that as getting out of hand and unfun.

[#00Buck]

43 minutes ago, Zeke said:

I'll take a look at the points, but they are both set to never expire. 

AS for the points, we can set them to how long they last when we give an infracton. Some minor infractions should last for a few days at most, but it automatically sets to "never expire" when giving an infraction. 

So whoever gave you the infractions forgot to uncheck the never expire. 

So I've got four and three of them are from last year?

Also like Pastry's mine must be set to the default of lasting forever.

So now all my posts have to be checked by a moderator first?

I have not been active on the forums for the past few days but when I am I post a lot. 

I guess this means mods will permanently be having to approve everything I post? 

That's a lot of work. 

Edited March 9, 2016 by #00Buck

[DrGravitas]

OK, I'm going to keep this simple and save the justifying debate until after I hear the answer to this:

Regarding the nsfw rules,

1. If this post or this post was made today, would it be considered against the rules?

2. if the rating is R, does that mean I could post artistic nudity (bared breasts) without a censor bar as long as the thread is clearly tagged nsfw?

 

Kind of an important question for me because I literally just spent a week working on 3D dicks and was going to ask for some critiques on them tomorrow once my renders finished. I would be following the same content marking rules I did under those other two posts, of course.

[willow]

1 minute ago, DrGravitas said:

OK, I'm going to keep this simple and save the justifying debate until after I hear the answer to this:

Regarding the nsfw rules,

1. If this post or this post was made today, would it be considered against the rules?

2. if the rating is R, does that mean I could post artistic nudity (bared breasts) without a censor bar as long as the thread is clearly tagged nsfw?

 

Kind of an important question for me because I literally just spent a week working on 3D dicks and was going to ask for some critiques on them tomorrow once my renders finished. I would be following the same content marking rules I did under those other two posts, of course.

1. no

2. I think as long as you've labeled it as such, artistic nudity should be fine. if you're unsure, just hide it under a spoiler.

that's my take on it at least

[Zeke]

33 minutes ago, Endless/Nameless said:

I kinda thought Black Hole was supposed to be low-quality, but whatev.... I found those threads quite funny myself. 

Some quality control, but not a lot. 2-3 parody threads,sure. But not 6+.

[PastryOfApathy]

43 minutes ago, Zeke said:

There is and I went ahead and did it.

Meaning that there weill be a bit of quality control for certain types of threads, such as...

HEY! Don't lump my beautiful, original thread with that poser trash.

[DrGravitas]

38 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Some quality control, but not a lot. 2-3 parody threads,sure. But not 6+.

What about an actually kind of creative parody thread that had a lot of work put into it even though it was like the 4th or 5th one? Would that be OK to stay in the Black Hole? :V

Edited March 9, 2016 by DrGravitas
Spelling; Clarification on kidding.

[Endless/Nameless]

24 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Some quality control, but not a lot. 2-3 parody threads,sure. But not 6+.

The current mod team has been doing a great job, so i trust you'll use discretion; but I still say it's odd to start trying to groom the weed patch 

Edited March 9, 2016 by Endless/Nameless
added an "a" :O

[willow]

8 minutes ago, Endless/Nameless said:

The current mod team has been doing great job, so i trust you'll use discretion;

basically yeah

[Clove Darkwave]

48 minutes ago, Endless/Nameless said:

The current mod team has been doing a great job, so i trust you'll use discretion; but I still say it's odd to start trying to groom the weed patch 

Well it's not necessarily that we're going to start deleting topics, unless they're extremely, extremely objectionable. But like others have said the parody threads have gotten out of hand, my personal leaning is to start merging them together when there's too many duplicates. So it's more like "Let's tie all of these dandylions together because hot damn I can't see the crabgrass underneath"

Regarding past Infractions, I'm going to bring that up and ask how we want to handle that because that's an excellent question!

[#00Buck]

If this forum is going to eventually evolve into a child / parent safe environment I'm fine with that and gradually over time I'll probably just stop posting. 

However, I'd like to suggest that upcoming State Of The Union threads give updates on what mods are considering changing next so people can get ready for the change. 

It could just be a short bullet point list of things that are possibly up for change. This could also spark discussion for more clarity on what is going to be allowed and not allowed. 

Also it would be nice to give people a grace period when new rules are announced. There are a lot of things that have been posted up since the start of the forum that will over time become violations of the new rules. Not everyone is going to read the new rules right away. 

I'm kind of confused on what I can post without getting infraction. I'm going to have the Pastry Of Apathy Vore cake soon. The cake won't have any nudity on it. Vore is a fetish. So can I post a photo of the cake or will I get an infraction because it features a fetish? The whole point of making the cake was to share it with the forum so I want to make sure it's okay. 

[Clove Darkwave]

Right now a lot of the things we talk about are entirely user sparked, meaning users inform us of something and that gets us talking about it and seeing how we can improve things. That being said, collating a short list of things we're currently discussing for the next SOTU sounds great, maybe we could have it out a week before it goes live. We spend time looking over the SOTU over the course of 3 weeks to consider the points multiple times. Then we see what works for the forum and what doesn't!

Honestly it's entirely up to users to read all of the rules and regardless of that fact, we always give 0pt warnings to people who have no past history of trouble unless it's severe. We generally try to assume people make mistakes out of anything but malice unless they have a history that calls that into question. That all being said, Infractions from here on out should last for such a short duration for the majority of people I'm not anticipating it being an issue. Let's be honest you kind of have to try to get in a lot of trouble here.

As far as your cake...when in doubt, spoiler it out. Or just make it a link with a NSFW tag. Although to more directly answer your question in that instance no we wouldn't infract you, just ask that you make it comply with the rules (assuming it didn't).

[willow]

3 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

If this forum is going to eventually evolve into a child / parent safe environment I'm fine with that and gradually over time I'll probably just stop posting. 

However, I'd like to suggest that upcoming State Of The Union threads give updates on what mods are considering changing next so people can get ready for the change. 

It could just be a short bullet point list of things that are possibly up for change. This could also spark discussion for more clarity on what is going to be allowed and not allowed. 

Also it would be nice to give people a grace period when new rules are announced. There are a lot of things that have been posted up since the start of the forum that will over time become violations of the new rules. Not everyone is going to read the new rules right away. 

I'm kind of confused on what I can post without getting infraction. I'm going to have the Pastry Of Apathy Vore cake soon. The cake won't have any nudity on it. Vore is a fetish. So can I post a photo of the cake or will I get an infraction because it features a fetish? The whole point of making the cake was to share it with the forum so I want to make sure it's okay. 

Threads that were posted before this announcement aren't affected, though we'll probably merge all of those fetish threads. 

That being said, talking about fetishes is fine so long as you don't go into explicit detail. We just don't need several threads about which ones are the best or the worst. 

The cake is fine though. 

 

[Zeke]

What about cake?

[#00Buck]

1 minute ago, Zeke said:

What about cake?

We are going to eat Pastry Of Apathy. 

Only a few will get to taste it. But everyone will get to see photos. 

[Zeke]

Just now, #00Buck said:

We are going to eat Pastry Of Apathy. 

Only a few will get to taste it. But everyone will get to see photos. 

Oh okay. carry on. 

[willow]

11 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

We are going to eat Pastry Of Apathy. 

Only a few will get to taste it. But everyone will get to see photos. 

Are you putting that in the Tim Horton's thread? 

[#00Buck]

Just now, willow said:

Are you putting that in the Tim Horton's thread? 

Yes because we are going to eat it at the Toronto meet up which will be at Pignog's new place on Sunday. 

 

[Kinare]

I would still really like to see a forum meant for serious debate and discussion where shitposting/other spam is not allowed with much less tolerance for going off topic (especially when it means insults are flying for no real reason other than the opportunity arose, that's a common one lately and is not fun to read). There should also be a requirement that any statement of "fact" include references, leaving mere "opinions" as ok only when not trying to masquerade as fact. Said forum would leave GD as a casual only discussion environment for not so srs topics or those meant to have simple replies, and of course the BH would still be as it is now.

[Cingal]

I think with regards to The Blackhole, topics should be merged and not deleted.

[PastryOfApathy]

1 hour ago, #00Buck said:

Yes because we are going to eat it at the Toronto meet up which will be at Pignog's new place on Sunday. 

 

Oh I can't wait. 

[Endless/Nameless]

29 minutes ago, Kinare said:

I would still really like to see a forum meant for serious debate and discussion where shitposting/other spam is not allowed with much less tolerance for going off topic

That could be interesting!! We seem to get some surprisingly serious threads around here, and that could be a way to keep them from being dumbed down... Some people don't seem to know how to have a serious discussion. But It could be a divisive thing too; pretty soon you could see people not knowing where to put their threads, people not feeling free to speak their mind, people whining about their reply being hidden... It might just be better to not mess with a good thing. It's worth a thought though.

29 minutes ago, Kinare said:

There should also be a requirement that any statement of "fact" include references, leaving mere "opinions" as ok only when not trying to masquerade as fact.

I can understand how that'd be useful, but it may be a little overkill for just a forum discussion, and I could see a lot of people getting way too overargumenative over it. Plus, some people use whining about references/proof to shift the focus away from something they personally disagree with. I'd say make it a recommendation rather than a requirement, if something like this ever came about. "It might be a good idea to back yourself up with references if you don't want to be ripped to shreds" Something like that!

22 minutes ago, Cingal said:

I think with regards to The Blackhole, topics should be merged and not deleted.

I wonder if there's a way to put related threads in a kind of "folder" within a subforum?? Merged threads can be messy...

Edited March 10, 2016 by Endless/Nameless

[PastryOfApathy]

1 minute ago, 6tails said:

Hey, if you fucked up, YOU DESERVE TO GET CHEWED OUT.

And if you can't take being chewed out for fucking up, then you shouldn't be a mod.

PERIOD.

Next.

We want transparency, not closed-door Republican bullshit. Make a public appeals section.

Apparently their five to seven days claim is blatant bullshit right off the bat.

 

Sounds like someone OTHER THAN THE PHOENIX STAFF needs to write a "how-to' manual on how to be a moderator if your moderators don't even understand the system they're supposed to be moderating. Now that I'm fully aware of this forum software's capabilities, and how it works, I can safely say that there is serious remedial training required here. This shit is DEAD SIMPLE yet nobody in power here seems to have any actual understanding of the software. Sad.

Holy shit, calm down lol

[Endless/Nameless]

2 minutes ago, 6tails said:

We want transparency, not closed-door Republican bullshit. Make a public appeals section.

I could see the value of that. Easier to mod responsibly out in the open.

2 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Apparently their five to seven days claim is blatant bullshit right off the bat.

They probably didn't know how they were gonna handle points yet at the time, or something... At least it should be fine now

[Endless/Nameless]

2 minutes ago, 6tails said:

They couldn't have exercised a little common sense and read all the options first before just blatantly handing out infraction points? That's pretty stupid. Stupidity like that are how bad bans and mistaken account deletions happen.

Yeah, it's dumb. The form is totally straightforward. But now that they've gotten the infract policy fully hammered out, we shouldn't see any more mixups like that (hopefully?)

[willow]

just so you guys know, infraction points don't auto ban you if you have too many

9 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Hey, if you fucked up, YOU DESERVE TO GET CHEWED OUT.

And if you can't take being chewed out for fucking up, then you shouldn't be a mod.

PERIOD.

Next.

We want transparency, not closed-door Republican bullshit. Make a public appeals section.

Apparently their five to seven days claim is blatant bullshit right off the bat.

 

Sounds like someone OTHER THAN THE PHOENIX STAFF needs to write a "how-to' manual on how to be a moderator if your moderators don't even understand the system they're supposed to be moderating. Now that I'm fully aware of this forum software's capabilities, and how it works, I can safely say that there is serious remedial training required here. This shit is DEAD SIMPLE yet nobody in power here seems to have any actual understanding of the software. Sad.

few things:

1. it's one thing to be upset and I guess a little aggressive, but if you're trying to get an appeal (whether the ban was valid or not), do you honestly think insulting the people you're appealing to is the right way to go about it?

2. honestly, I don't even think the public appeals forum on FAF was made public. you could click the thread but nothing would show up because the only people who really need to know the dirty details are you and the staff. unless you really need the satisfaction of martyrdom :v

3. it was an honest mistake. I just don't think anyone really thought to uncheck it because like mentioned, the points won't ban you if you accrue too many. plus I think we kind of kept them for record keeping purposes. but it doesn't make sense to use someone's past history of infractions from a year ago if it's the only infractions you had..

[PastryOfApathy]

8 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Let's look at history. Given how poorly almost every forum is handled, and how typically power-abusive staff tends to be, do you think the constant attitude is unwarranted? History says no. There's a GOOD reason "Mods are fags" exists as a common internet phrase.

You ever hear that saying that if there's assholes everywhere you go, there might be a reason for that?

Like this isn't congress or something, mods aren't politicians. There isn't some sinister cabal of evil mods trying to shit on everyone's happiness out of spite, or some kind of nefarious agenda. They're normal people volunteering their time on a fucking furry forum.

I've never been some sort of squeaky-clean ass-kiss (as I'm sure plenty of people will attest), but I don't want to turn this into a bunch of pointless shit-flinging so quit taking shit so personally. It makes you look like some kind of raving spastic who's desperately searching for reasons to hate everyone and that's fuckin' dumb.

[PastryOfApathy]

Just now, 6tails said:

I have no clue what you're trying to imply when I don't have any infraction points. Ain't shit being taken personally because NOTHING has happened to me. You seem to be trying to project something. I suggest looking into yourself.

Please stop projecting. All I'm trying to imply is that you take any perceived "offense" whether it involves you directly or not, as some kind of personal attack and lash out as angrily as possible. It's ridiculous and counter-productive.

[PastryOfApathy]

8 minutes ago, 6tails said:

If I lashed out, this forum simply would cease to exist. 40 Terabits of aggregate bandwidth across three countries, enough to run my in-development MUCK globally, could see to that in a split second, cloud or no cloud. Quit trying to act like you know how I act and think, you're entirely wrong and no, you are the one projecting. You are putting emotion to fairly emotionless words, that means YOU are the one having problems, not me.

Wow that's 10/10 quote material, holy shit. Now it is quote material. You're officially funnier than @TheGreatFanatic talking about his lust for dead children, congratulations.

Anyways I'm gonna go play some videogames and talk to my boyfriend. Keep fighting the good fight tough guy.

Edited March 10, 2016 by PastryOfApathy

[#00Buck]

1 hour ago, 6tails said:

Hey, if you fucked up, YOU DESERVE TO GET CHEWED OUT.

And if you can't take being chewed out for fucking up, then you shouldn't be a mod.

We want transparency, not closed-door Republican bullshit. Make a public appeals section.

I agree with the idea of a public appeals section. 

It will help prevent some of the exact problems that lead to the demise of the old forums. 

Have problems solved out in the open in a transparent manner. It's better for everyone. 

As for people expressing anger or outrage at being infracted or banned unjustly...

If someone does suffer because another person abuses their power to hurt them they are totally justified in being angry.

I really take exception to the notion of banning emotions. Or dismissing an appeal if a person is angry especially if their anger is totally justified. 

People will feel how they feel. They are entitled to be human beings even if they are furries. 

 

Edited March 10, 2016 by #00Buck

[willow]

very few people here were probably around when Ben and Cerberus were mods on FAF. we're the most chill group ever compared to them. at least with those two you had reasons to complain. they were really the 'no fun allowed' mods

39 minutes ago, 6tails said:

do you think the constant attitude is unwarranted?

in most cases yes. surely you'll get somewhere eventually by acting that way but why do that when just explaining why you think your ban/infraction was unjust will get you further in less time (theoretically)?

[#00Buck]

1 minute ago, 6tails said:

Because historically speaking, polite appeals go unheeded ANYWAYS, especially when they are done in a private manner where NOBODY can be held publicly accountable. What, have you NOT been to any *chan in your life? And that's just the most public example.

It is true the squeaky wheel gets the grease. 

Besides some people see softness of words as a sign of weakness and this just encourages people to abuse their power more.

We don't want to encourage people to tip toe around the moderators out of fear. That's not why the position exists. 

If anything the moderators should be kept in check by the forum population. 

Transparency helps with this. People who abuse power will be ousted. People who are fair will be valued. 

[Clove Darkwave]

Guys, it's fine to be angry. It's not fine to call mods every name under the sun. We're not going to do anything to you about it, but if you're calling us awful names and threatening us it's really not helping when we're talking internally and saying "Hey, maybe this person could improve."

[#00Buck]

4 minutes ago, Clove Darkwave said:

Guys, it's fine to be angry. It's not fine to call mods every name under the sun. We're not going to do anything to you about it, but if you're calling us awful names and threatening us it's really not helping when we're talking internally and saying "Hey, maybe this person could improve."

If the process is transparent and everyone can see what is going on out in the open then the people who are being unreasonable will be the ones that look bad. 

People who are justified in their anger will be supported by the community.

Those who are not justified will be called out as being disruptive and there would be all the more support in the community to sanction them or remove them. 

If someone is really unjustified in insulting a moderator - let them hurl all the insults they want. It only makes them look worse in the eyes of everyone. 

The "he said she said" around things that may or may not have been said in private is a standard of the old forum and it needs to go.

[willow]

the problem with that is that it makes it harder to sort it out with the person who's actually making the appeal. you don't see people shouting in courtrooms because they agree with the defendant. or well..you do sometimes but it's considered disruptive to the actual trial

[Clove Darkwave]

What concerns me is
1. Airing what's private in the public.

2. Turning the matter into massive forum dramafests

Neither of these are necessary and serve to further massive amounts of forum drama, which is kind of against our overarching duty to foster healthy discussion environments.

[TheGreatFanatic]

55 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

You're officially funnier than @TheGreatFanatic

Quit spreading lies, bitch.

 

[#00Buck]

If the person received an infraction to something they posted...

Then you are airing what's public in public which is perfectly fine. 

I believe transparency is totally necessary if this is going to be a community that will function in a healthy manner. 

If it is going to be dysfunctional and sick then things can be done the old fashioned way. 

If you keep doing things the same way you will always get the same result. 

It is time for a change. 

 

[Clove Darkwave]

I can't make any promises guys, but I can bring it up for the next SotU. Sound fair? Maybe we can run a forum poll or something.