Deskai Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 so its agreed... Dealing with furries lead one to drink All my friends started drinking after joining the furry fandom here I am wondering why I havent started drinking but my friend did point out "you started eating food that require beer to be put in it...like Beer battered Fish" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 6 hours ago, Deskai said: so its agreed... Dealing with furries lead one to drink All my friends started drinking after joining the furry fandom here I am wondering why I havent started drinking but my friend did point out "you started eating food that require beer to be put in it...like Beer battered Fish" I don't drink either. At least not the getting fucked up kind of drink. It just makes me dizzy and I don't like it, But I do appreciate the relaxing effect of a good beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelthefox Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Are the numbers in this thing correct or are they off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, axelthefox said: Are the numbers in this thing correct or are they off? The numbers are right, but some of them are based on self-reported surveys of furries, who are desperate not to be perceived as sexual deviants. Look around the furries you know on this forum; almost all of them are sexually deviated to some degree. This desire to appear socially acceptable is demonstrated by previous studies which implied only 1% of furries were zoophiles. When later studies accounted for methodological flaws, by asking the question anonymously instead of person-to-person, the subjects didn't feel pressured to appear socially acceptable and the frequency of zoophiles rose to 17%. https://drmarkgriffiths.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/animal-magnetism-inside-the-world-of-the-furries/ The poster claims that you can't have sex in a fursuit without it resulting in heatstroke, which is an obvious lie, because there are hours of footage online showing that plenty of people do have sex in fursuits. The sort of people who claim sex in a fursuit causes heatstroke might refer you to videos of fursuiters doing positive things like...dancing or running marathons in their fursuits...without dying from heatstroke. In short, I think the poster is making the wrong argument. Furries aren't all about sex, but sex is still a significant part of the fandom, and that's okay, because furry porn doesn't hurt anybody. Given that sexual fursuiters are a small group, they receive a disproportionate amount of negative attention, especially considering that they are harmless. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 56 minutes ago, axelthefox said: Are the numbers in this thing correct or are they off? I call bullshit on that thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 hours ago, axelthefox said: Are the numbers in this thing correct or are they off? They're off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Newt said: They're off. Only one of the statistics is based on that survey. The others do not necessarily show that the fandom is mostly asexual, though. For instance 75% of submissions to fur affinity aren't rated as sexually explicit in any way, but this fact doesn't say anything about what proportion of furries enjoy furry sex. Maybe only 5% of furries are sexual but they are really productive artists and make 25% of the entire fandom's art...or maybe 100% of furry artists are sexual but they only make sexual art 25% of the time. You can't tell from this statistic alone. In reality it's probably 'Most furries have some kind of sexual interest, but few furries are interested in the fandom just for sex'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Saxon said: Only one of the statistics is based on that survey. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Newt said: No. My mistake; I missed the second asterisk (that figure about the proportion of people who own fursuits is probably right though). Point is that many of the statistics on that poster come from FA telemetry, not from a survey. Edited March 21, 2016 by Saxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deskai Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 you know, sometimes I look at surveys that use FA as its base and go "are they doing it by individual submissions cause then its auto skewed cause one artist drawing a single general art but containing 5 people will then end up being 6 in total as the other 5 people will post that same general pic" man stats are my fave thing to mess with...other than surveys due to those things can be skewed but do provide guesstimates Like when FA kept on talking about having a massive user count and people who know numbers are going: "are you talking about ACTIVE accounts,accounts in general, or ACTUAL users?" as 1/2 to 2/3's of that account number FA show is active users mainly cause artist constantly change accounts or have multiple accounts (I have 5 on FA) unlike other sites that allow you to change your name thus no need to make a new account and had a folder system well before FA did so they could separate their content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Deskai said: you know, sometimes I look at surveys that use FA as its base and go "are they doing it by individual submissions cause then its auto skewed cause one artist drawing a single general art but containing 5 people will then end up being 6 in total as the other 5 people will post that same general pic" man stats are my fave thing to mess with...other than surveys due to those things can be skewed but do provide guesstimates Like when FA kept on talking about having a massive user count and people who know numbers are going: "are you talking about ACTIVE accounts,accounts in general, or ACTUAL users?" as 1/2 to 2/3's of that account number FA show is active users mainly cause artist constantly change accounts or have multiple accounts (I have 5 on FA) unlike other sites that allow you to change your name thus no need to make a new account and had a folder system well before FA did so they could separate their content. Even if FA had a good folder system I think people would create distinct accounts. Artists routinely create fetish accounts, for example, because they don't want their current watchers to pass judgement on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 12 hours ago, axelthefox said: Are the numbers in this thing correct or are they off? Ha, I remember linking this on one of Mentovas threads. I think it was something to do with public perception and furries or some shit. Anyway, I'm calling bullshit on that since it's so outdated. I'm betting the percentage on the sexual interests side has increased quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 On 3/20/2016 at 10:21 PM, Rabbit Head said: This is just ridiculous. The question shouldn't even BE "are furries fucking in their suits", the real question should be "what's wrong with if consenting adults want to fuck in a fur suit?" Answers like "it's gross" and "it personally disturbs me" are answers that are to be immediately rejected. Those are the same arguments that are often levied against homosexuals. They're personal and emotional appeals at best. that's a pretty weak analogy tbh. yes there are a lot of the same arguments but no one's ever had entire political protests to ban murrsuiters from doing anything. personally I don't care what people do in their own homes because they're, as you said, consenting adults. my main complaint about them are the people who 1.use their suits for both yiff as well as public outings (especially around kids) and 2.don't wash them. so I can see why people would say it's gross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 37 minutes ago, willow said: that's a pretty weak analogy tbh. yes there are a lot of the same arguments but no one's ever had entire political protests to ban murrsuiters from doing anything. personally I don't care what people do in their own homes because they're, as you said, consenting adults. my main complaint about them are the people who 1.use their suits for both yiff as well as public outings (especially around kids) and 2.don't wash them. so I can see why people would say it's gross You've missed the Rabbit Head's argument, which is that lots of furries are defending themselves from the accusation that they are disgusting and villainous people who have sex in fursuits by denying that anybody has sex in fursuits. This is a poor argument because it makes the tacit concession that it's justifiable to vilify people for innocuous sexual preferences, which it's not. This has resulted in a bizarre state of affairs in the fandom; furries were banned from london furmeets for owning 2 costumes of their fursona, one a murrsuit and one not, because 'members of the public might have seen the murrsuit online and recognise the character at the meeting'. You literally can't win, if you're a murrsuiter, because fears about how the public perceive you are more important to the other furries than whether those perceptions are justified. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 For real though, if someone made me a murrsuit I'd use that shit (especially if they also made one for my bf), and I think most people here are probably the same way. Also the obligatory "it's in an infographic do it must be true!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Head Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, willow said: that's a pretty weak analogy tbh. yes there are a lot of the same arguments but no one's ever had entire political protests to ban murrsuiters from doing anything. personally I don't care what people do in their own homes because they're, as you said, consenting adults. my main complaint about them are the people who 1.use their suits for both yiff as well as public outings (especially around kids) and 2.don't wash them. so I can see why people would say it's gross that's a pretty weak analogy tbh. yes there are a lot of the same arguments but no one's ever had entire political protests to ban murrsuiters from doing anything. I never said that they are on the same level in that sense. I said that a lot of protests against both homosexuality and fucking in animal costumes tend to be the same kinds of appeals to the emotions/ stomach. And that these arguments are flawed on the face of it and must ALWAYS be rejected. my main complaint about them are the people who 1.use their suits for both yiff as well as public outings (especially around kids) OK, OK. I had my fun... Edited March 21, 2016 by Rabbit Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deskai Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) On 3/21/2016 at 8:34 AM, Saxon said: Even if FA had a good folder system I think people would create distinct accounts. Artists routinely create fetish accounts, for example, because they don't want their current watchers to pass judgement on them. oh the reason I say that is cause of SoFurry having ACTUAL folders where the user base can watch SPECIFICALLY stuff of that folder note I said ACTUAL folders, not Folder FILTERS that many other site use as if you put an image in a SoFurry Folder..it disappears from the general gallery and said image can ONLY be seen if you go into that specific folder. SoFurry does though have a "recent art uploaded" area that shows all art though. Also in this day and age, "Its easy to tell when an artist have a seperate fetish account, 80% of the time they tell their user base they have this account, 10% of the time the userbase figure it out and the last 10% is that the artist created it, and then stop using it cause it became pointless and post all their art on one account in the end." All of em the watcher base still pass judgement on you. Just for me I'm THAT GUY who have accounts base on characters. but the whole point being "People make mulitiple accounts on this site, so the number of actual users to accounts is gonna always be skewed unlike other sites that allow heavy folder usage and name changing as the common reason for folks to change accounts is 'I dont feel this name anymore'" Edited March 22, 2016 by Deskai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inpw Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I have no issues with Kage. The dude has a reputation to uphold and his relations with the media is probably the only reason why some of these conventions could reach the size that it has. Was in a podcast with him for 2 hours or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecker Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Kage reads as cage... 'cayge' not fkn 'kahjay' or whatever it's pronounced as. He could at least put one of them accent things on a letter, lazy bastard. So, basically he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundeere Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) He seems a little too old to be apart of that... Edited March 30, 2016 by Thundeere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Head Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 20 hours ago, Thundeere said: He seems a little too old to be apart of that... Furry fandom has been around since the 80's and he's been apart of it since the early 90's, I believe. I knew a furry on a different forum who's in his mid-50's and has liked anthro characters since the 60's or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentova Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Dude always seemed nice but I've heard he's got a bit of a shady side to him. How true that is and how much of it is rumor-mongering since he's a well known figure, I have no idea. Also I'll pass on the murrsuiting. I don't wanna get cum stains on my several hundred to a thousand dollar costume. Plus, it doesn't seem like it would be that fun :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I know that for a brief moment, he had a fursuiting account in FA that was completely separate from his current FA. PS: He has a macro fetish :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentova Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 26 minutes ago, Zeke said: I know that for a brief moment, he had a fursuiting account in FA that was completely separate from his current FA. PS: He has a macro fetish :V If I recall he has an open-secret alt account with a bunch of macro and crushing fetish art on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 9 hours ago, Mentova said: crushing fetish art Hmm, that's peculiar; I thought that was exceedingly rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaende Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 2 hours ago, Sylver said: I don't know how Kage puts up with it. A sense of humor and copious amounts of alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axelthefox Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 2:00 PM, Rabbit Head said: Furry fandom has been around since the 80's and he's been apart of it since the early 90's, I believe. I knew a furry on a different forum who's in his mid-50's and has liked anthro characters since the 60's or so. Isn't Wildbilltx a greymuzzle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Head Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 5:40 PM, Zeke said: I know that for a brief moment, he had a fursuiting account in FA that was completely separate from his current FA. PS: He has a macro fetish :V On 3/31/2016 at 6:07 PM, Mentova said: If I recall he has an open-secret alt account with a bunch of macro and crushing fetish art on it. What?! SHOW ME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rabbit Head said: What?! SHOW ME. http://www.furaffinity.net/user/rogue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Head Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Zeke said: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/rogue Interesting! How do you know this is Kage, tho? I'm not doubting, I'm just REALLY curious. Edited April 1, 2016 by Rabbit Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Just now, Rabbit Head said: Interesting! How do you know this is Kage, tho? I'm not doubting, I'm just REALLY curious. One of my friends is on his main stuff crew and hangs with him on and off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Head Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Zeke said: One of my friends is on his main stuff crew and hangs with him on and off. Ah I see. I've been dying to know if there was this side to the guy. Knew there probably WAS, but didn't know what it was LIKE. Really satisfying to find it. I can rest easy now that he's been humanized a bit for me. Still not 100% sure this is it, though. I'm going to have to go through both accounts writing styles to confirm it for me. Edited April 1, 2016 by Rabbit Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rabbit Head said: Ah I see. I've been dying to know if there was this side to the guy. Knew there probably WAS, but didn't know what it was LIKE. Really satisfying to find it. I can rest easy now that he's been humanized a bit for me. Still not 100% sure this is it, though. I'm going to have to go through both accounts writing styles to confirm it for me. When I watched rogue's stature at AC and in vids, it looked a bit too familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Why do any of you care whether someone has a macro fetish? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 On 3/30/2016 at 4:49 PM, Thundeere said: He seems a little too old to be apart of that... But are you ever really too old to appreciate Anthropomorphic Animals? I think not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Well, and all this says to me is that, if it's true, Kage has applied his own advice vis-a-vis being able to be discreet about private or personal things, like fetishes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Saxon said: Why do any of you care whether someone has a macro fetish? Seeking like minded? (ok, not serious about this one) Feeling that he is 'holier than thou' rather than 'Be discreet about things that could give us furrys a bad reputation' Seeing it as a 'humanizing' factor, aka "the star Kage is just a human, too!" Or of course: DRAMA! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 On April 1, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Saxon said: Why do any of you care whether someone has a macro fetish? I see it as a humanizing effect. I don't care that he does have one, but I think that it makes him more of a furfag just like any other. What he does to get his jollies is no concern unless he is deliberately hurting people with it. Which he isn't...unless you count the micro machines toys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Zeke said: I see it as a humanizing effect. I don't care that he does have one, but I think that it makes him more of a furfag just like any other. What he does to get his jollies is no concern unless he is deliberately hurting people with it. Which he isn't...unless you count the micro machines toys. ...I suppose so? It would be a touch hypocritical if he were trying to convince outsiders that furries aren't fetishists, given that he knows we are and is one himself...but I don't know enough about any of this to know whether that's the case, or whether I would even care if it were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Can we not talk about his fetishes? Like I never wanted the image of an ugly 50-something spanking it macro furry porn in my head, but here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: Can we not talk about his fetishes? Like I never wanted the image of an ugly 50-something spanking it macro furry porn in my head, but here we are. I wonder what fetishes your dad has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Just now, Saxon said: I wonder what fetishes your dad has. I accidentally learned that a long time ago. He's not very good with computers and has never been the kind of person to hide his porn collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: I accidentally learned that a long time ago. He's not very good with computers and has never been the kind of person to hide his porn collection. Pray tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Saxon said: Pray tell. Would you want me telling everyone your fetishes? Wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: Wait... I am joking. I don't really want to know what your dad fiddles his diddle to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Saxon said: I am joking. I don't really want to know what your dad fiddles his diddle to. I know, either way I'm not gonna tell everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 4 hours ago, PastryOfApathy said: I know, either way I'm not gonna tell everybody. We are both upstanding members of society, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphoneer Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 On 17.3.2016 at 11:40 PM, Rassah said: That's not what he said to me when he was drunk, sitting on my lap, in the back of a car at two in the morning... Did... you pay him in Bitcoin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 On April 2, 2016 at 5:16 PM, PastryOfApathy said: I know, either way I'm not gonna tell everybody. PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 14 hours ago, Gryphoneer said: Did... you pay him in Bitcoin? This was in 2000. Way before bitcoin. Just paid him with my charming personality and dashing good looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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