Burn it to the ground

[#00Buck]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Pfft, Zara would trump the both of you.

At garbage posting?

I highly doubt it. 

[acne-scars]

right on man let's blow up the government im down

[Spot]

14 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

At garbage posting?

I highly doubt it. 

You kidding me? He's the best garbage poster here. Just look at his post to like ratio. 

[CETME]

Bruh

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY5vTcLBnNk

Edited March 21, 2016 by BlitzCo

[#00Buck]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

You kidding me? He's the best garbage poster here. Just look at his post to like ratio. 

My ratio out ratios all ratios. 

Volume posting mass trash for the win. 

Pleb tier garbage posters like the sweat off my trash can.

[Derin Darkpaw]

BURN TO THE GROUND!!!

 

 

[Cross]

2 hours ago, Amiir said:

 

 

1 hour ago, BlitzCo said:

Bruh

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY5vTcLBnNk

THERE WE GO

I can think of about thirty cross-species bacterial and viral types that would like to contest your claims.

it's insignificant the damage done by those compared to human's, it's microscopical. And they don't mess up the environment.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Cross

[GarthTheWereWolf]

Seriously you guys... D;

[WileyWarWeasel]

@GarthTheWereWolf Since our children don't have a future (at least one remotely resembling their parent's years) who cares about scaring the children.

@Cross Learn more about our socioeconomic system's past and present and its nature. Other people may be more inclined to take you seriously if you come up with more eloquent statements than "Come on people, it's time to break shit up".

[Cross]

3 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

@Cross Learn more about our socioeconomic system's past and present and its nature. Other people may be more inclined to take you seriously if you come up with more eloquent statements than "Come on people, it's time to break shit up".

You seriously want me to learn how to control masses and command em to destruction? This is getting heavy lawl

2 hours ago, 6tails said:

PFFFFFTTTTTTT oh that's rich. Anyone with a decent chemistry education could say otherwise by far.

 

Whatever, viruses are not even living stuff, it's more like a malevont force of nature

[WileyWarWeasel]

7 minutes ago, Cross said:

You seriously want me to learn how to control masses and command em to destruction? This is getting heavy lawl

I was more so referring to being able to come up with a better argument than your equivalent of "fuk da police".

9 minutes ago, Cross said:

Whatever, viruses are not even living stuff, it's more like a malevont force of nature

We sprung forth from nature, so one could say that we're nature's inevitable response to a gradual buildup of energy reserves (trees and fossil fuels).

[Cross]

4 minutes ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

I was more so referring to being able to come up with a better argument than your equivalent of "fuk da police".

Fuck the police

4 minutes ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

We sprung forth from nature, so one could say that we're nature's inevitable response to a gradual buildup of energy reserves (trees and fossil fuels).

We kind of are, also a malevolent force of nature. And when the times comes, we're also going to fuck up others planets too, destruction is imminent.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Cross

[WileyWarWeasel]

2 minutes ago, Cross said:

Fuck the police

We kind of are.

Precisely, which means we're part of nature just like bacteria, viruses and larger organisms. We're not the only force of nature (living or dead) that affects the surrounding environment either, as @6tails alluded to.

 

Disparage our species and civilization if you will but keep in mind that the energy reserves on Earth were built up over millions of years. Due to all the random mutations species would've gone through over that period it was inevitable that some species would eventually adapt to dissipate these energy reserves.

If our species didn't take advantage of the energy reserves another species most likely would've.

[Cross]

Logical fallacie over there, you can't know that would happen, nor you can prove it, as long as we know, if all humans just disappear, the world would continue to exist, just without humans.

And even if that were to be true, other species could have been a lot more responsive in how to use those energy reserves and also to not choose to fuck everything else.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Cross

[WileyWarWeasel]

15 minutes ago, Cross said:

Logical fallacie over there, you can't know that would happen, nor you can prove it, as long as we know, if all humans just disappear, the world would continue to exist, just without humans.

And even if that were to be true, other species could have been a lot more responsive in how to use those energy reserves and also to not choose to fuck everything else.

It's true that we don't know for certain what would've happened, but given the tendency for species to exploit whatever advantages they have to the fullest the energy stockpile would've most likely still been exploited as much as possible.

Those that didn't take every advantage they could would eventually be out competed by those that did. We've seen this happen time and again in the rest of nature.

Within our own species we saw examples of groups that tried to live in a somewhat more sustainable manner (eg Australian aborigines and natives of South and North America). They were overrun by groups looking to burn through resources as quickly as possible.

In either case it's pointless calling for the destruction of civilization. Hardly anyone is going to want to give up access to running water, easily-accessed food and the ability to vent about civilization on furry forums.

[Cross]

33 minutes ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

In either case it's pointless calling for the destruction of civilization. Hardly anyone is going to want to give up access to running water, easily-accessed food and the ability to vent about civilization on furry forums.

Assuming they have a choice over or not civilazition gonna burn.

Truth is, we don't even have to do anything at all to destroy it, civilization is already destructing itself, and when pollution become so harsh earth's not suitable enough to sustain human life, we are all going to vanish, and earth with continue it's natural flow as with every other species who became extint. Human are not even that great, they are irrelevant to the universe, and when we are gone the universe won't even notice it.

[WileyWarWeasel]

7 hours ago, Cross said:

Assuming they have a choice over or not civilazition gonna burn.

Truth is, we don't even have to do anything at all to destroy it, civilization is already destructing itself, and when pollution become so harsh earth's not suitable enough to sustain human life, we are all going to vanish, and earth with continue it's natural flow as with every other species who became extint. Human are not even that great, they are irrelevant to the universe, and when we are gone the universe won't even notice it.

We're actually running into several limits:

-Debt increasing faster than real economic growth since 1971

-Decreasing arable land per person

-Water being depleted faster than it is being replenished (means going after ground water which means ruining water table for centuries and increasing salinity among other things)

-Topsoil being ruined by farming and in particular extensive use of fertilizers

-Resource extraction costs increasing (ie we've already picked all the low-hanging fruit)

-Pollution/waste products being generated

-Increasing system complexity means increasing portion of resources going to the bureaucratic/rentier class simply to maintain it

-Greater system complexity means greater number of interdependent nodes that require other nodes in order to function. This means if there are one or more significant breaks in the system the contagion could spread to other nodes very quickly and in an exponential fashion (especially given the fragile nature of our just-in-time logistics and fast-paced trading)

-The politburo's "solution" to the above appears to be weakening the rest of the system (eg lowering interest rates below even official inflation effectively means stealing from savers) in order to prop up nodes deemed important (big business, banks, government, etc). With business profits sinking further, median incomes sinking lower and debt blowing out it's pretty obvious we're near the limits to how much can be leached from the overall system to maintain major nodes. It of course makes the rest of the system far more brittle and vulnerable to breaks also.

 

There is indeed no choice about whether civilization will burn, but the vast majority will be dragged kicking and screaming through the fire. Appreciate what little luxury remains (running water, air conditioning, Internet, etc) because it won't last.