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17 minutes ago, pothocket said:

FN has banned cub porn. Really nice response time, considering the thread was only posted yesterday.

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I'd argue that giving it a day is actually poor response time, as waiting a day and disallowing comments on the thread that was made for it meant less people could put up a proper stance on it and many people who were likely unaware of the issue didn't get the chance to say or do anything. They should've given it more time.

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13 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

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I'd argue that giving it a day is actually poor response time, as waiting a day and disallowing comments on the thread that was made for it meant less people could put up a proper stance on it and many people who were likely unaware of the issue didn't get the chance to say or do anything. They should've given it more time.

A couple of years ago Bad Dragon caved pretty fast on Twitter too because of a couple of SJWs complaining about an "ebony" toy being RACIST.

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I think there's a bit of irony in the timing for this news. Yesterday, just as that thread had popped up, a Kickstarter to fund a Western release for the manga Kodomo No Jikan went up. So while a furry art site is banning cub porn, lolicon manga is getting published uncensored in the West.

26 minutes ago, FenrirDarkWolf said:

I thought that was Roxas, but no that's Ven. :v

I like Roxas more too. But Ventus suffers more than Roxas does, so it fits.

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the turn around time is pretty impressive, but to be fair, a lot of people were refusing to upload art or even use the site until they made a decision so I'd assume they needed to make a decision pretty quick or risk the site's growth slowing down.

anyway, I look forward to seeing threads and posts from "cub enthutsiasts" about how this "goes against the First Amendment", that they're "being discriminated against", and that the prohibition is "unfair"

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1 hour ago, FenrirDarkWolf said:

that sounds silly

well it happen many times and people forget "that first amendment only applies to government, not private areas"

now those same cub porn artist are going back to IB, and IB can claim to not be about cub porn :V

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well at least they actually enforce a tagging system where you can do community tags to black list it...but then the instant you do that site slow to a crawl, and then if you black list sonic, it nearly dies

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11 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Sounds like their database runs exactly the opposite of how it should. The more input you give it on what to filter, the faster it should be in returning results, not the opposite, assuming a well-designed database.

 

It isn't the database that's a crawl.

Its the people. You blacklist cub and sonic on that site and it turns into a literal ghost town.

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Inkbunny has a weird policy when it comes to humans in art. I also don't like how its saturated with such cub content; art variety is great and being mostly full of one thing is boring and makes it easier to find low quality content. Its UI is also pretty bad. Pixiv has variety and is fairly open to having pretty much any content, but it requires all porn to be censored (no matter what it is) because of Japanese laws. FurAffinity is FurAffinity. Weasyl is dead. DeviantArt is....full of too much low quality content and has a more childlike community.

I will never find the perfect furry art site. Pixiv is the closest to what I want but Japanese laws hold it back. There was another Japanese site I found recently called Niije which allows all of its content to be uncensored somehow, but its entirely in Japanese and I have trouble navigating the site.

I hope someday the perfect furry art site in my eyes magically appears. Something with a perfect tagging system (e621 levels of good preferably), strong security, no censorship whatsoever, lots of variety in content, mostly easily findable high quality content, extremely populous, available in multiple languages including English, and a community that isn't...childish.

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21 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Sounds like their database runs exactly the opposite of how it should. The more input you give it on what to filter, the faster it should be in returning results, not the opposite, assuming a well-designed database.

 

what lady said
just it becomes a ghost town if you specifically block cub and sonic as thats also the site where all the sonic fans ended up draw specifically in the sonic style.

So currently its only SoFurry and IB thats is fine with Cub cause they actually enforce a tagging system so their black list system can actually work

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Thank god. Also, I can't seem to figure out a faster way to get to managing my submissions.. I really hope a UI update is coming out.

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I'm happy with their decision. We don't need this stuff on a general furry art site. It's not censorship, it's just having reasonable limits.  

Its kindasorta like YouTube; you can go there and watch all kinds of crap, but if you want to watch straight-up porn, you can go somewhere else. 

Different sites are going to have different limits depending on their userbase, and I think this is reasonable for a general-purpose furry art site. 

Still don't plan on using their site tho. Not at the moment anyway. 

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7 hours ago, 6tails said:

Sounds like their database runs exactly the opposite of how it should. The more input you give it on what to filter, the faster it should be in returning results, not the opposite, assuming a well-designed database.

I'd expect it to be a bit slower actually, since you're executing a more complicated select query. The database engine is still going to be sifting through the dataset, but now it has to do an additional check on each row to determine if the submission contains any of the blacklisted tags. If it finds one of them, it'll move to the next row. That could mean sifting through even more data until it reaches either the end of the dataset or the imposed limit on the number of results returned by the query.

However, I'm just guessing. It's possible computer scientists found a more efficient solution to the problem.

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37 minutes ago, root said:

I'd expect it to be a bit slower actually, since you're executing a more complicated select query. The database engine is still going to be sifting through the dataset, but now it has to do an additional check on each row to determine if the submission contains any of the blacklisted tags. If it finds one of them, it'll move to the next row. That could mean sifting through even more data until it reaches either the end of the dataset or the imposed limit on the number of results returned by the query.

However, I'm just guessing. It's possible computer scientists found a more efficient solution to the problem.

 

8 minutes ago, 6tails said:

 

Imgfur does exactly what I describe. Well, when the damned thing is up and running, anyways. This is also including its learning system which figures out what you do and do not like.

Again, that's not what we meant when we said 'slow', but okay :V

 

Anyways back to a more general thing, I probably still won't use the website until it decides to stop being all social-networky and fixes its user-interace and profile pages, although that appears to be the second most popular request, so who knows.

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10 hours ago, Battlechili said:

Inkbunny has a weird policy when it comes to humans in art. I also don't like how its saturated with such cub content; art variety is great and being mostly full of one thing is boring and makes it easier to find low quality content. Its UI is also pretty bad. Pixiv has variety and is fairly open to having pretty much any content, but it requires all porn to be censored (no matter what it is) because of Japanese laws. FurAffinity is FurAffinity. Weasyl is dead. DeviantArt is....full of too much low quality content and has a more childlike community.

I will never find the perfect furry art site. Pixiv is the closest to what I want but Japanese laws hold it back. There was another Japanese site I found recently called Niije which allows all of its content to be uncensored somehow, but its entirely in Japanese and I have trouble navigating the site.

I hope someday the perfect furry art site in my eyes magically appears. Something with a perfect tagging system (e621 levels of good preferably), strong security, no censorship whatsoever, lots of variety in content, mostly easily findable high quality content, extremely populous, available in multiple languages including English, and a community that isn't...childish.

I think the human ban on art on inkbunny happens to be due to where they are hosted at that the rule came into place.

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4 hours ago, 6tails said:

 

Imgfur does exactly what I describe. Well, when the damned thing is up and running, anyways. This is also including its learning system which figures out what you do and do not like.

EDIT: For a bit more clarity, instead of searching each image to see if it has the tag, the tag has a list of images associated with it. Thus, when you have that tag in as a filter to remove or include, you simply include or remove all of those images associated with the tag instead of going through each image to check if the tag is present.

Ahh clever.

3 hours ago, LadyRadarEars said:

Again, that's not what we meant when we said 'slow', but okay :V

We're nerds.

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35 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Yes, as a connoisseur of pictures depicting baby animal people furiously fucking each other with giant 30 inch dog cocks, I am incredibly ashamed to call myself a furry.

This is a sad day for us all...

Excuse me, but in the world of furries, 30 inches is hardly giant. 

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20 hours ago, pothocket said:

FN has banned cub porn. Really nice response time, considering the thread was only posted yesterday.

Felt like I needed to weigh in, even though I don't post here anymore.

I don't consider myself 'into' cub, but I'm relatively indifferent to it. The issue I have, is that individuals are being demonized and excluded for being into what is a completely harmless, fantasy kink. By this logic, shouldn't we start banning snuff and rape artwork as well?

The decision catered to an ignorant majority of users, who honestly either haven't thought about the issue in depth, or refuse to, and continue to have aggressive, irrational knee-jerk reactions to anything related to cub porn. The entire reaction towards this issue is the perfect example of sheep mentality and peer pressure. It's the exact opposite of what makes an open and progressive community; something that many sites such as FN wish to achieve.

All they needed to do was implement a blacklist system. Instead, they chose to deliberately exclude, and low-key demonize those who happen to enjoy something else from the majority. Further fragmenting the fandom.

I'm not okay with this decision.

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23 minutes ago, Azurex said:

Felt like I needed to weigh in, even though I don't post here anymore.

I don't consider myself 'into' cub, but I'm relatively indifferent to it. The issue I have, is that individuals are being demonized and excluded for being into what is a completely harmless, fantasy kink. By this logic, shouldn't we start banning snuff and rape artwork as well?

The decision catered to an ignorant majority of users, who honestly either haven't thought about the issue in depth, or refuse to, and continue to have aggressive, irrational knee-jerk reactions to anything related to cub porn. The entire reaction towards this issue is the perfect example of sheep mentality and peer pressure. It's the exact opposite of what makes an open and progressive community; something that many sites such as FN wish to achieve.

All they needed to do was implement a blacklist system. Instead, they chose to deliberately exclude, and low-key demonize those who happen to enjoy something else from the majority. Further fragmenting the fandom.

I'm not okay with this decision.

There's one question about this who is FN provider is? considering it's not paypal since they would have to ban it as well as the other extreme fetishes considering their TOS.

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Just now, Clove Darkwave said:

I always wonder how people who don't post somewhere any longer manage to show up for very specific issues in a specific thread.

I knew Phoenixed would have an opinion on this, so I took a peek, and decided to give a reply. It's not magic or anything.

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2 hours ago, Azurex said:

It's the exact opposite of what makes an open and progressive community; something that many sites such as FN wish to achieve.

I don't exactly consider the tolerance and providence of a "place" for pedophiles to be requisite towards maintaining a relatively open and progressive stance,
but hey, that's just me.

I also wouldn't blame a site for getting rid of rape and snuff porn, as well. And I say this as someone who likes gore.
Sometimes community quality standards hold higher priority than "MUH FREEDUMS."

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28 minutes ago, Vae said:

I don't exactly consider the tolerance and providence of a "place" for pedophiles to be requisite towards maintaining a relatively open and progressive stance,
but hey, that's just me.

I also wouldn't blame a site for getting rid of rape and snuff porn, as well. And I say this as someone who likes gore.
Sometimes community quality standards hold higher priority than "MUH FREEDUMS."

You could argue that about literally any kink or fetish. Just replace the word 'pedophile' with erotophonophile, raptophile, podophile, etc. Anything with a 'phile' at the end of it, just to make it sound evil and immoral, right?

I believe that kinks should be accepted, regardless of how extreme they may be. The only condition being that they don't hurt anybody directly, and are kept strictly as fantasy - which the overwhelming majority are. Whether you like it or not, there will always be some bad eggs, but to shun away anybody who may enjoy this, out of the mere possibility that they could act on it in real life, is completely unreasonable. It's comparable to the age-old argument that violent video games will make people violent. It can happen, but the likelihood is extremely low.

Banning it, and forcing it under the rug only makes things worse for everybody. It will continue to divide us as a fandom, and promote a blind hatred of cub-lovers and non-acting pedophiles. Both of which do not deserve any hatred what so ever.

Ultimately, nobody is expecting you to like cub porn, just to realize that it's a reality of the fandom, and that it should be accepted as much as any other 'extreme' kink.
 

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6 minutes ago, Azurex said:

You could argue that about literally any kink or fetish.

If one can't tell the difference between a voraphile and a pedophile, something is wrong.

7 minutes ago, Azurex said:

Banning it, and forcing it under the rug only makes things worse for everybody. It will continue to divide us as a fandom, and promote a blind hatred of cub-lovers and non-acting pedophiles. Both of which do not deserve any hatred what so ever.

You have a logical flaw right there. 
Just because they can't do it on FN doesn't mean they can't mosey on over to some other site to get their special kicks.
Banning it on a general furry-art site ≠ oppression. 
Now if it were being banned on an internetwide level, you'd have a case.

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1 minute ago, Endless/Nameless said:

If one can't tell the difference between a voraphile and a pedophile, something is wrong.

You have a logical flaw right there. 
Just because they can't do it on FN doesn't mean they can't mosey on over to some other site to get their special kicks.
Banning it on a general furry-art site ≠ oppression. 

Now if it were being banned on an internetwide level, you'd have a case.

Completely besides the point.

What I'm getting at is that there is no need to exclude these users based on their sexual interests, when far more extreme kinks are accepted on the site. It actually is oppression, believe it or not.

My main concern is that this continues to fuel the hatred and intolerance of cub-lovers and non-acting pedophiles, and promoting seeing them as outcasts, when they absolutely shouldn't be. They're just like us, with different sexual desires, and yet we shun them away because we find their kinks 'gross' and 'wrong'? All you need to do is blacklist it, and you'll never even see it, and then everybody's happy.

As I've said, this can apply to literally any other fetish. What it boils down to is kink shaming, discrimination and an unwillingness to think outside the box, usually caused by the sheep mentality and peer pressure we've seen throughout the fandom recently.

I honestly would not be complaining if FN decided to ban all 'extreme' kinks from their site, but the fact that they cherry-picked this one particular fetish, which make up a small, but significant portion of the fandom really ticks me off. They may have had good intentions, but this was just a half measure that comes across looking like unjustified discrimination.

 

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1 minute ago, Azurex said:

intolerance of cub-lovers and non-acting pedophiles

They're just like us, with different sexual desires, and yet we shun them away because we find their kinks 'gross' and 'wrong'?

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I'm outta here.

21 minutes ago, Endless/Nameless said:

If one can't tell the difference between a voraphile and a pedophile, something is wrong.

 

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8 minutes ago, Azurex said:

I honestly would not be complaining if FN decided to ban all 'extreme' kinks from their site, but the fact that they cherry-picked this one particular fetish, which make up a small, but significant portion of the fandom really ticks me off. They may have had good intentions, but this was just a half measure that comes across looking like unjustified discrimination.

They did it under pressure. A bunch of people were raising a stink and threatening to leave if they didn't ban it.

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2 minutes ago, Falaffel said:

I get the feeling that most folks are thinking about this in the light of "I don't like cub shit so fuck 'em," rather than a rational, unbiased light. Shame. 

Pretty much summed up all my posts into one, hah.

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6 minutes ago, 6tails said:

To do what, go back to FA and get hacked again? Whiny entitled fools.

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Just now, Falaffel said:

I get the feeling that most folks are thinking about this in the light of "I don't like cub shit so fuck 'em," rather than a rational, unbiased light. Shame. 

That's how it always goes.

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Still sorta funny that the InkBunny cub porn rep actually existed before the FA cub porn exodus due to the old owner of InkBunny being a person who worked or owned the Soft Paw magazine...a cub porn mag, it just got worst with the FA cub porn exodus. since that time to now though they have come to accept that to keep their site at least alive they have to actually tag their works instead of just ignoring it so folks who do go there and learn how to black list can actually black list the stuff. Since I main SoFurry I'm already use to just black listing content I dont want to see (which for SoFurry if I block a user, I SEE NOTHING from them). I ended up after so many years in this fandom also going "I hope its just drawings" as I internalized a rating scale of "you may have problems" with drawings to "you are a piece of shit" for folks who have photos and do the acts.

I also having been in this fandom for so long have yet to have seen a person who drew cub porn get arrested for having actual child porn but I keep on seeing folks who drew OTHER THINGS get arrested for having actual child porn. Its like suspecting that neighbor who have a shed full of sharp tools of being a killer but nope, its that sweet old lady down the road who have several dead bodies in her back yard.

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It is what it is in the end. Personally, I'm in line with people tagging their shit and me making a giant ass blacklist to hide your fantasy pedophile animal porn. But seeing how this ruling completely dicks out a fetish that I find incredibly disgusting, creepy and yada yada yada, I'm totally fine with it. If anything, it makes sure the folks running PedoBunny gets to keep things running another year longer with another furry site kicking off the animal kid porn. 

 

Now if only we can ban sonic too.

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48 minutes ago, pothocket said:

Furry porn in general is pretty disgusting.

 

It is kind of unfortunate that they have to ban something that amounts to harmless fantasy, but it's not like it's the end of the world. It's just one fetish out of uncountably many, so if people want that content specifically, there are other websites for them. Those who are in it just for the cub porn aren't really affected since FN is still in its infancy, and those who aren't are only mildly inconvenienced.

It's not like FN staff really had a choice in the matter anyway. People were already avoiding the site due to the company's history, so if they didn't cave in to this one, it probably would have taken a big hit on their reputation. This is a really touchy topic, so it's a bit optimistic to think that they could try to argue the other way without losing a hefty portion of their userbase.

I think though that other fandoms have rule 34 as well, Like anime,star trek,star wars and such.One time i found LOTR rule 34 without even looking. There are some who enjoy Kirk/Picard slash fiction from G to XXX.

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2 hours ago, PastryOfApathy said:

However it's also true that cub porn is disgusting shit.

I agree. So is plenty of other stuff. But regardless of how distasteful I find something, I'm not going to be the guy that says "I don't want this website to cater to you because I don't like what you draw."

It's just an unfair ruling. And it's only there because so many people are drawing a line joining two things that for a lot of cub artists isn't even there.

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16 hours ago, Azurex said:

You could argue that about literally any kink or fetish. Just replace the word 'pedophile' with erotophonophile, raptophile, podophile, etc. Anything with a 'phile' at the end of it, just to make it sound evil and immoral, right?

I believe that kinks should be accepted, regardless of how extreme they may be. The only condition being that they don't hurt anybody directly, and are kept strictly as fantasy - which the overwhelming majority are. Whether you like it or not, there will always be some bad eggs, but to shun away anybody who may enjoy this, out of the mere possibility that they could act on it in real life, is completely unreasonable. It's comparable to the age-old argument that violent video games will make people violent. It can happen, but the likelihood is extremely low.

Banning it, and forcing it under the rug only makes things worse for everybody. It will continue to divide us as a fandom, and promote a blind hatred of cub-lovers and non-acting pedophiles. Both of which do not deserve any hatred what so ever.

Ultimately, nobody is expecting you to like cub porn, just to realize that it's a reality of the fandom, and that it should be accepted as much as any other 'extreme' kink.
 

I'm not talking about general sexuality. I'm talking about sexual attraction towards children.

Also, I do not believe in murrypurry "accept everyone, sunshine and rainbows for all!" bs, because there are standards of acceptability, as there should be. Filter the trash at the door, lest you let people shit in your bed.

South Park summed up my stance on pedophilia pretty well:
"You know, we believe in equality for everybody and tolerance and all that gay stuff, but dude, fuck you."

If that means "dividing the fandom" between people who do and don't get tight in the pants at the thought of kids, that's absolutely fine by me. It draws a clear line on who to avoid.

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I suppose at this point it shouldn't surprise me that cub porn is being supported. While we're at it, let's go full retard and make a statement about Beastiality being recognized throughout the mainstream community and the fandom while giving Babyfurs and pedophilia equal rights, too! That'll show everyone what we're all about! 

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