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10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suppose at this point it shouldn't surprise me that cub porn is being supported. While we're at it, let's go full retard and make a statement about Beastiality being recognized throughout the mainstream community and the fandom while giving Babyfurs and pedophilia equal rights, too! That'll show everyone what we're all about! 

Most people here are defending basic principle that you shouldn't single one thing out if there are other things just as bad. It's, by definition, unfair. Very few are actually arguing to support pedophilia itself.

As for even the people "supporting" pedophilia, you completely disregarded their entire argument by equating it to bestiality. Bestiality is an act where pedophilia is not. 

Missed on both accounts there, mate. Can't even say I appreciate the attempt at humour. 

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57 minutes ago, pothocket said:

I don't really have any evidence for this, but I do suspect that there's a difference to being into cub porn and actually wanting to molest children, just like there's a difference between being into furry porn and wanting to penetrate dogs. If that's the case, then I honestly can't see what the problem is other than the disturbing nature of these fantasies. In that case, should this fetish really be singled out from gore, rape, etc, as has already been asked here several times?

This. I would go so far as to argue that those into cub porn are not pedophiles and that pedophilia is a totally different almost incomparable fetish. I do not believe that someone being into cub porn means they are attracted to children.

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suppose at this point it shouldn't surprise me that cub porn is being supported. While we're at it, let's go full retard and make a statement about Beastiality being recognized throughout the mainstream community and the fandom while giving Babyfurs and pedophilia equal rights, too! That'll show everyone what we're all about! 

I don't really have a problem with beast in artwork either as its, well, artwork. 

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19 minutes ago, Falaffel said:

Most people here are defending basic principle that you shouldn't single one thing out if there are other things just as bad. It's, by definition, unfair. Very few are actually arguing to support pedophilia itself.

As for even the people "supporting" pedophilia, you completely disregarded their entire argument by equating it to bestiality. Bestiality is an act where pedophilia is not. 

Missed on both accounts there, mate. Can't even say I appreciate the attempt at humour. 

No no, that wasn't an attempt at humor, I was being serious. If we continue to show the world the worst parts of the fandom and support those ideals, if we're lucky it'll have a domino effect both online and offline. Venues will no longer hold our events, there will be mass arrests (due to all the illegal shit) and continued discrimination towards the general populous throughout the fandom.

I dread the day anyone is ever found out for being a furfag or put in a situation where you have to fess up. Furry Jesus help us all!  

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

No no, that wasn't an attempt at humor, I was being serious. If we continue to show the world the worst parts of the fandom and support those ideals, if we're lucky it'll have a domino effect both online and offline. Venues will no longer hold our events, there will be mass arrests (due to all the illegal shit) and continued discrimination towards the general populous throughout the fandom.

I dread the day anyone is ever found out for being a furfag or put in a situation where you have to fess up. Furry Jesus help us all!  

I think you're a bit paranoid. 

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8 minutes ago, Falaffel said:

I think you're a bit paranoid. 

Right, because every attempt by every prominent figure that has tried to put the fandom in a better light throughout the last 30 years has all been in vain. 

kek

 

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Right, because every attempt by every prominent figure that has tried to put the fandom in a better light throughout the last 30 years has all been in vain. 

kek

 

Doesn't quite equate to mass arrests and everyone refusing to host cons. Whatever though. 

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Woooow what a read.

Anywho, I have a Furry Network account, and I did try to use it when it was still in closed beta. My friend and I removed our work from there when we realized Neer 2.0 was running the site.

The biggest bone I have to pick with that site is the design. Good fucking lord, while the interface has had some changes to it since I pulled my work, it's still a navigational nightmare. The actual upload option is easier to find now (previously I'd spend several minutes trying to figure out where in the hell the upload option was), but I'd more appreciate an upload button that isn't hidden under a drop down menu. I understand that the site is trying to be some amalgamation of Facebook and FA, but if you'll be catering to artists, the most important thing is the damn UPLOAD/SUBMIT button.

Another thing that irks me about the site is the lack of a community homepage. When you click the FN logo, it takes you to YOUR homepage. FA, WZL, SF, DA, and IB take you to a community homepage that shows off uploads and announcements, and to address the FB inspired portion, when you click the FB logo it takes you to your timeline, which is a similar 'community homepage' comprised of those you follow**. That's a feature I want to see from an art site: the community right on the homepage. You want a readily available, easy to locate community hub. I don't want to go thru some convoluted hoops to find the 'community uploads/happenings' page. It should be RIGHT THERE when you click the logo that would serve as the homepage. As it currently stands, you can click icons that will take you to the media form it represents, but it's divided and doesn't establish a community homepage in the same spirit of the above mentioned websites.

Lastly, what keeps me leery about the site is the administration. As the site is new, given who the head honcho is, I prefer to see the course administration will take that will establish how it functions. We all know the happenings of FA, which is why I no longer upload to the site. Rarely I'll comment on a page, but ultimately it's to obtain an outside means of communication such as telegram or another website just so I don't have to contribute to traffic stats on that site.

In regards to the cub porn, I personally don't have a stance with it being uploaded onto the site. Personally, I find it disgusting, creepy, uncomfortable, and disturbing, but I also understand that it's fantasy, it's causing no harm to any animal or child, and likely does serve as a means of venting urges for some people. I'd prefer to have pedophiles going after fantasy artwork than actual animals or children, as you cannot mentally scar a piece of paper for the duration of its life. I'm pleased that WZL doesn't allow it, that's their right as a private website, and in that I can remain happy. That's my space and I choose to stay there. I have accounts SF and IB, and I simply blacklist related tags, though admittedly I do NOT frequent IB due to the sheer volume of cub porn uploads there. It feels absolutely overwhelming. Excluding the cub porn, the site functions wonderfully. It's just a shame that it's primarily known for cub porn. No wonder the RTA rating is on the site.

**FN has a similar timeline feature, but lacks announcements and related media from what I've seen so far

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13 minutes ago, 6tails said:

I should note that historically, those screaming the loudest about "Think of the children" usually end up being the ones found out to be a full-blown pedophile.

Much like all those heavily anti-gay preachers and republicans that get busted fucking another guy or altar boy or male escort.

Oh you know those republicans and no homo preachers all have a  w i d e  stance.

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8 hours ago, FlynnCoyote said:

I agree. So is plenty of other stuff. But regardless of how distasteful I find something, I'm not going to be the guy that says "I don't want this website to cater to you because I don't like what you draw."

It's just an unfair ruling. And it's only there because so many people are drawing a line joining two things that for a lot of cub artists isn't even there.

This is true...

...however it is also true that it is disgusting borderline-kiddie porn.

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Cub porn is Child porn despite it being drawn. Having an ears and a tail  doesn't change what it is because its fake. Does it victimize real children? No, because it's fictional characters in a fictitious situation rather than real  children exploited. Does it provide a better outlet for pedophiles that will not engage in molestation or collection of photographic material? Yes, but I feel that they are better off seeking professional help than to "feed the beast". You do not give an addict more meth to try and cure them of their addiction.

The fandom also has a history of "encouragement" and enabling, so it doesn't help those with a real problem seek the help they need. Those with weak impulse control and a lapse of judgement could and may find themselves in an illegal situation that can ruin their lives because of said encouragement from others telling them that "There's nothing wrong and it's natural because it happens in Ancient times". 

Instead of complete ostracizing, there should be an emphasis on seeking help and encouragement to seek it without the accusatory "you're a sick fuck and should die". The worse thing about a problem is being alone and having no one to turn to, or the only people to turn to are those that are feeding your addiction.

The best thing to have is a friend that's there to help you stay on a good path and to keep you looking forward and prevent you from falling and giving up.

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19 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Cub porn is Child porn despite it being drawn. Having an ears and a tail  doesn't change what it is because its fake. Does it victimize real children? No, because it's fictional characters in a fictitious situation rather than real  children exploited. Does it provide a better outlet for pedophiles that will not engage in molestation or collection of photographic material? Yes, but I feel that they are better off seeking professional help than to "feed the beast". You do not give an addict more meth to try and cure them of their addiction.

The fandom also has a history of "encouragement" and enabling, so it doesn't help those with a real problem seek the help they need. Those with weak impulse control and a lapse of judgement could and may find themselves in an illegal situation that can ruin their lives because of said encouragement from others telling them that "There's nothing wrong and it's natural because it happens in Ancient times". 

Instead of complete ostracizing, there should be an emphasis on seeking help and encouragement to seek it without the accusatory "you're a sick fuck and should die". The worse thing about a problem is being alone and having no one to turn to, or the only people to turn to are those that are feeding your addiction.

This comes off as being under the assumption that if someone is attracted to the drawings, that means they are attracted to the real thing. That a person liking cub porn is a pedophile who'd be attracted to actual children, even if they don't go after actual children. It neglects the possibility of someone finding only the fictitious drawings to be attractive due to differences between the way a drawing appears to be and the way a real person appears to be. Do you not think its entirely within the realm of possibility for someone to have no attraction whatsoever to children in a context outside of drawings, and thus in that sense, they aren't really attracted to children?

I agree that if someone is a legitimate pedophile, feeding it via drawings might not be the best option, but if someone never liked the real thing to begin with, and doesn't view such as even being similar and is genuinely put off at the idea of finding children attractive while simultaneously liking such artwork, can you really call them a pedophile?

....I've seen this discussed dozens of times on an anime forum I frequent. Granted, not the most serious discussions out there, but there are some legitimate pieces of information to take in from such discussion I think. I feel people are too quick to equate the two ideas as being similar.

 

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12 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

 

I agree that if someone is a legitimate pedophile, feeding it via drawings might not be the best option, but if someone never liked the real thing to begin with, and doesn't view such as even being similar and is genuinely put off at the idea of finding children attractive while simultaneously liking such artwork, can you really call them a pedophile?

....I've seen this discussed dozens of times on an anime forum I frequent

 

I don't have an answer for that, but there are people who watch all sorts of porn just to get their rocks off regardless if it's fake children or a Druid in cat form butt-fucking a human in Goldshire. At that point, I'd say they're just porn junkies. Every fandom has them. xD

11 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Small problem. From what I've witnessed, a good deal of therapy/professional help ends up being exactly that, feeding the beast with something close/related-to-but-not-actually the thing desired.

Opiates - Methadone. Alcohol - Coffee. Depression - Hormones (more often than I originally thought.)

Trying to prevent it with different therapies that require willpower's tough, so it's easier to sedate if your mindset isn't open to being helped. Most psychologists that aren't for drugs will tell you that a mind open to suggestion for being helped is easier to work with than one that doesn't want to change. 

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20 minutes ago, Zeke said:

I don't have an answer for that, but there are people who watch all sorts of porn just to get their rocks off regardless if it's fake children or a Druid in cat form butt-fucking a human in Goldshire. At that point, I'd say they're just porn junkies. Every fandom has them. xD

True true, and I guess I can respect that.

Hmm...Well, to make the conversation a bit more light-hearted, and to further express my point...

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Obviously this isn't the best example since the original art is kinda all screwy proportion wise anyways, but I think it should give off what I mean on drawings and real people being different. Drawings often have exaggerations and pieces to them that don't exist or wouldn't exist in real life to begin with. There's lots of little nuances of creativity that can't be replicated IRL that can completely change how one may feel about the artwork.

Though I think this is where I'll drop the argument. I don't think cub porn is the only thing to be discussed regarding Furry Network as an art site.

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I'll only say this on FN's banning of Cub porn

"there is no real loss" 
cub porn artist is not a rather large group of people, so no real loss if you set rules that removes em as you gonna maximize usage with others folks using your site.
While we do have folks trying to slippery slope it of "well why don't you ban this also" that ends up being defeated by something my friend once said on such thing:
"If you can show it in public movie theaters, then don't try to argue for its removal"
and if you then think "well we still can remove beastiality then!"
Well its tend to be shown in movies for comedic sake and rarely you get such stuff in furry of unintelligent feral with intelligent bipded.

Those folks who do draw cub porn is now just to SoFurry and Inkbunny, or in reality "InkBunny is now living up to its history of being founded by a cub porn magazine creator being the home of cub porn artist" as SoFurry doesnt have a problem cause "no one goes to sofurry"

 

I must be the worst SoFurry ambassador ever as I really don't try to convince folks to go to that site...

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1 hour ago, Deskai said:

While we do have folks trying to slippery slope it of "well why don't you ban this also" that ends up being defeated by something my friend once said on such thing:
"If you can show it in public movie theaters, then don't try to argue for its removal"

I don't think you'll find any hardcore fetish porn in public movie theaters.

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59 minutes ago, root said:

I don't think you'll find any hardcore fetish porn in public movie theaters.

you would be fucking surprised

and no I'm not talking the porn side of Fetishes cause the very definition of fetish have isnt actually sexual.

Like how you may have gotten into vore due to that one scene in that bad movie anaconda where the damn giant anaconda eats the guy whole

 

really one furry actually told me thats why they got into vore

The reason folks never really think about it is cause "its not blatantly obvious" just like how we all joke how Disney's Animated Robin hood as "a gate way drug into furry"

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On 20/05/2016 at 5:41 AM, axelthefox said:

Anyone on this site? Cause i'm on the site and have added stuff to it.

https://beta.furrynetwork.com/

I've got an account, I anticipated that a number of my social circle would migrate there so I set one up.

First impressions/thoughts:

  • It looks very like https://artstation.com/.
  • It has a pretty but heavy design with somewhat confusing navigation, that stands to improve.
  • It doesn't seem to know what it wants to be yet, they're seeking input from the community here.
  • It isn't my primary and probably won't be.
On 22/05/2016 at 6:05 AM, Onnes said:

Aside from being Not-FA, I don't really understand what purpose FurryNetwork wants to serve. For one thing, it's described as a furry social network, but it has significantly fewer social features. There are no journals, no shouts, and really the entire user page is a mess outside of submission listings.

That's a question I asked when Weasyl launched, and now we have Yet-Another-Furry-Art-Gallery. I imagine the single killer feature they have is a way of handling commissions/commissioners in a way that offloads Trust to FN. Customer commissions an Artist and they start the process, when everything is agreed, the customer pays FurryNetwork who holds the money in escrow until the artist delivers the artwork, then they get paid. Considering I've been burned by artists before this is a nice idea but I wonder if some of the dodgier artists will use it?

On 22/05/2016 at 7:39 AM, Clove Darkwave said:

I dunno why they bothered to WhoIsGuard the website haha

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If the domain is owned by Varka, he'll be protecting his home address from public viewing. If the domain is owned by Bad Dragon, then it's the company management protecting the location of their office.

On 25/05/2016 at 5:43 AM, root said:

So they released a trailer for some reason.

 

Marketing, something Weasyl and other domains didn't do so well at.

On 28/05/2016 at 8:48 AM, Battlechili said:

I forgot SoFurry existed

So have others, that's what makes "Weasyl or FN" a false dichotomy.

On 28/05/2016 at 6:50 PM, RTDragon said:

I think the human ban on art on inkbunny happens to be due to where they are hosted at that the rule came into place.

That smells like a lazy excuse, and Bad Dragon are providing a CDN node to them, so I don't believe that.

 

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2 hours ago, Carenath said:

That smells like a lazy excuse, and Bad Dragon are providing a CDN node to them, so I don't believe that.

The actual they dont ban humans, they only ban humans IN porn, its why a user on there called Greymuzzle could only post PART of their ongoing comic series cause the parts that was removed was the porn parts of the story as the human was dating an anthro dog. I believed EVEN THEY knew what would happen if human was allowed in porn pictures with the site's reputation, thus it may have been easier to just do a blanket "no human in porn" ban than being rather specific

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Well the fact the varka has lost his credibility due to this though i would not be surprised if someone managed to report his host on the content but doing an 180 on this subject. Tends to show he's not trustworthy. Also with an advance blacklist tagging like Inbunny and Sofurry being enforced shows not a really good sign at all.

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2 hours ago, RTDragon said:

Well the fact the varka has lost his credibility due to this though i would not be surprised if someone managed to report his host on the content but doing an 180 on this subject. Tends to show he's not trustworthy. Also with an advance blacklist tagging like Inbunny and Sofurry being enforced shows not a really good sign at all.

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Report to himself?

also its cause those sites RELY on the blacklist feature being the big thing
SoFurry though isnt a true blacklist but its similar's to F-lists Kinks I'm into and not into listing, with anything listed in the later two areas not showing up while stuff you like and neutral towards will show up fine.

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I tried it. So far I think it's awful.

- The UI of the site is claustrophobic at best. It's confusing. FA's UI is old and outdated but at least you can easily figure out where everything is!
- It's worthless for photography. No one is looking at photos. I imported some shots and made them public, they got zero views. None. The most popular photo there has about 500 views, the most popular drawing has roughly 5000. So I won't bother uploading my photos there.
- And most importantly, if you are not a well known artist already no one will ever see your work there. The focus is entirely on "popular" work. And if you look at the popular tab you only see the usual suspects, artists who are already popular on FA.
I mean, think about it. When someone comes from FA they will import all their stuff, including watches. So as long as the artist keeps their username from FA all their fans will automatically follow them and their work gets a lot of attention, which means they end up in a high spot on the popular page and the artist gets commissioned.
If you don't have any followers your work gets drowned in the constant flood that is the infinitely scrolling list that slowly loads in new images. Oh and if someone just imported a couple hundred images from FA your image is just gone forever and no one is ever going to see it. Period.

So from what I have seen so far this is an art community with... no focus on the community aspect whatsoever. I'm sorry, but considering that commissioning artists is an integral part of the fandom that makes this site entirely pointless.

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On 6/1/2016 at 9:47 PM, RTDragon said:

While we are on the subject about the ban drama. It seems from the comments FN uses a merchant system.

https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=1106738#commentid_3399938

 

 

thats the same reason why IB couldnt do its own merchant system 

though unlike InkBunny Bad Dragon already do such work with porn items, just gotta resolve the problem of certain fetishes or work a system where it only states its an explicit item or clean item as such.

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11 hours ago, Käpt'n said:

- It's worthless for photography. No one is looking at photos. I imported some shots and made them public, they got zero views. None. The most popular photo there has about 500 views, the most popular drawing has roughly 5000. So I won't bother uploading my photos there.
 

Ablooblooblooo, I didn't get 100 views on my photos on a new website when my account of 7 8 years on FA barely gets 100 views on a picture!

 

 

 

But seriously though, Its a new website. Arts always going to get the most views than photography, the popufur artists joining the site is what's going to get people over and (ultimately) get the most views/favorites to boot, and photography, along with writing and music, is always going to be on the bottom of the totem pole. But what I'm seeing (and which has been pretty appealing so far) is the fact that their taking in suggestions and are rolling out improvements. I mean, already in a week, I've seen a pretty big improvement done to the feed, where you can finally see a nice spread of art your watchers submitted instead of some crappy pseudo-facebookesque news feed. Not to mention the fresh option and divided up categories at the bottom of the navigation are a nice touch as well as toggling between fresh/popular. Tags are also a nice thing that legit do its job, unlike how poorly they function on FA. 

 

But most importantly, it's /still in beta/. Most your gripes with the site are similar to alot of peoples, but they're working on it. At the rate they're pumping out updates (and hopefully they can keep up the moxie) I'm sure we'll get the kinks out in no time. 

 

 

And I hear for bulk upload, they're going to have it where its /not/ submitted up as "new" art, giving individual submissions a chance to be just that: new submissions. But as of right now, yeah its kinda hectic with everyone bulk uploading from FA. Somewhat, kinda, not really. Give it a day and you get used to navigating it, much like how I was lost and confused when I first started twitter. Now I can navigate it NP and use it effectively to spread my Toshabiness to all near and far. 

 

But eh, just my 2 cents. A lot of people are bitching about it despite the improvements/feedback from the site developers (as well as the people /still/ bitching about pedophile porn not being allowed on the website). But hey, at least you still have FurAffinity as an alternative, right guys? Pretty sure cub porn is still banned over there. Where did the torches go on that one? Huh? =[

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18 hours ago, Käpt'n said:

- It's worthless for photography. No one is looking at photos. I imported some shots and made them public, they got zero views. None. The most popular photo there has about 500 views, the most popular drawing has roughly 5000. So I won't bother uploading my photos there.

To be fair, every single furry site in existence is worthless for photography. 99% of the userbase is looking for porn, remarkably specific or otherwise. Even sofurry is of minimal use to writers, like myself, as non-porn works get maybe one or two comments and a bare handful of views, compared to basically none on everywhere else. Furries are porn addicts, the fact that you have 500 views on FA is because FA is like ten years old, not because there are more photo aficiandos there. Give FN a few more months and maybe enough of your existing watchers will migrate over there and you'll be seeing similar numbers, otherwise, well, blame it on furries being furries.

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My problem with FN is that it's a goddamn claustrophobic mess.

That and it seems like shows favoritism towards "popular" artists in the same way something like Reddit does, meaning people have to go out of their way to discover new artists which is fucking awful (plus 95% of users won't actually do it).

Say what you want about FA, but at least it's UI is reasonably clear and if nothing else obvious.

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I just really hope they break away from their UI soon. Its def clausterphobic. I like the grid, but there's gotta be space in the grid. 

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On 5/27/2016 at 1:58 AM, willow said:

LORD 

it's 2016 and apparently disliking cub porn and not wanting to see it counts as prejudice and ignorance. what a time to be alive. amen! 

anyway....

saying this is totally unjust is pretty silly. the reasons against it are pretty well justified. whether it's harmful or not is a bit subjective, buuuut I also think anything that has the potential to give someone a panic attack or bad anxiety is most certainly not harmless and the site has more of a responsibility to protect the safety and wellbeing of its users than it does to protect the integrity of your porn

 

 

lol "well justified" the age old argument made when you have no counterargument. Where is the proof? Where is the hard data? To claim something is "justified" you would actually have to have some sort of argument based on facts for which to stand on.

And there is no subjectivity to facts. Either something is harmful or it is not. You have the burden of proof on yourself to prove it is in fact harmful. You would have to point to some sort of study. Otherwise your claims hold no water at all.

The "potential" to make someone uncomfortable or anxious is hardly grounds to argue in favor of draconion censorship. Especially when there are ample alternatives that can be done such as not looking at it or website filtering. If you have a panic attack from looking at an image for a slit second then maybe you should be in some sort of counseling program and have any images you look at pre-screened by someone else, there are many worse things that can be accidentally found in the internet. This whole argument of yours sounds very tumblr-esque and not based on facts at all.

If you fear for your safety or well-being then you should be looking at adult rated content in the first place. There is no way someone could look at cub artwork and be triggered as its very different than real life. I've looked at cub artwork a few times before and I've never felt threatened or anxious or in panic any of those times. It doesn't appeal to me or frighten me in any way don't see why some are so uppity about this type of artwork. It almost seems like some sort of SJW thing is going on. And just to be clear I was sexually and physically abused as a child so something like this would have "potential" to cause me anxiety but it doesn't. There are certain images that cause me great distress but I have never seen them in any furry sites. Then again I don't go looking for them. Things like gore make me physically sick, when child my pets were routinely murdered/mutilated in very horrible ways, but i don't go on some sort of magical crusade to rid furry sites of all gore art. Its funny that furry network bans something that didn't cause harm to me but keeps something that I literally have nightmares about.

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8 hours ago, Elektranine said:

lol "well justified" the age old argument made when you have no counterargument. Where is the proof? Where is the hard data? To claim something is "justified" you would actually have to have some sort of argument based on facts for which to stand on.

And there is no subjectivity to facts. Either something is harmful or it is not. You have the burden of proof on yourself to prove it is in fact harmful. You would have to point to some sort of study. Otherwise your claims hold no water at all.

The "potential" to make someone uncomfortable or anxious is hardly grounds to argue in favor of draconion censorship. Especially when there are ample alternatives that can be done such as not looking at it or website filtering. If you have a panic attack from looking at an image for a slit second then maybe you should be in some sort of counseling program and have any images you look at pre-screened by someone else, there are many worse things that can be accidentally found in the internet. This whole argument of yours sounds very tumblr-esque and not based on facts at all.

If you fear for your safety or well-being then you should be looking at adult rated content in the first place. There is no way someone could look at cub artwork and be triggered as its very different than real life. I've looked at cub artwork a few times before and I've never felt threatened or anxious or in panic any of those times. It doesn't appeal to me or frighten me in any way don't see why some are so uppity about this type of artwork. It almost seems like some sort of SJW thing is going on. And just to be clear I was sexually and physically abused as a child so something like this would have "potential" to cause me anxiety but it doesn't. There are certain images that cause me great distress but I have never seen them in any furry sites. Then again I don't go looking for them. Things like gore make me physically sick, when child my pets were routinely murdered/mutilated in very horrible ways, but i don't go on some sort of magical crusade to rid furry sites of all gore art. Its funny that furry network bans something that didn't cause harm to me but keeps something that I literally have nightmares about.

Go back to inkbunny, pedobait.

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11 hours ago, Elektranine said:

lol "well justified" the age old argument made when you have no counterargument. Where is the proof? Where is the hard data? To claim something is "justified" you would actually have to have some sort of argument based on facts for which to stand on.

And there is no subjectivity to facts. Either something is harmful or it is not. You have the burden of proof on yourself to prove it is in fact harmful. You would have to point to some sort of study. Otherwise your claims hold no water at all.

The "potential" to make someone uncomfortable or anxious is hardly grounds to argue in favor of draconion censorship. Especially when there are ample alternatives that can be done such as not looking at it or website filtering. If you have a panic attack from looking at an image for a slit second then maybe you should be in some sort of counseling program and have any images you look at pre-screened by someone else, there are many worse things that can be accidentally found in the internet. This whole argument of yours sounds very tumblr-esque and not based on facts at all.

If you fear for your safety or well-being then you should be looking at adult rated content in the first place. There is no way someone could look at cub artwork and be triggered as its very different than real life. I've looked at cub artwork a few times before and I've never felt threatened or anxious or in panic any of those times. It doesn't appeal to me or frighten me in any way don't see why some are so uppity about this type of artwork. It almost seems like some sort of SJW thing is going on. And just to be clear I was sexually and physically abused as a child so something like this would have "potential" to cause me anxiety but it doesn't. There are certain images that cause me great distress but I have never seen them in any furry sites. Then again I don't go looking for them. Things like gore make me physically sick, when child my pets were routinely murdered/mutilated in very horrible ways, but i don't go on some sort of magical crusade to rid furry sites of all gore art. Its funny that furry network bans something that didn't cause harm to me but keeps something that I literally have nightmares about.

I'm not gonna get into this argument but I do have one question. Have you ever been sexually abused?

note that you don't actually have to answer the question, but basically, just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not an issue 

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4 minutes ago, Sidewalk Surfboard said:

I assumed you were since you responded without even reading the entire thing all the way through. That's usually a sign of "I'm pissed off at you"

I didn't read anger from Willow's post, either.

Also, morality aside, there's also the legality issue where drawn depictions of children still count as legitimate child porn in parts of the world.

I don't think it's worth it to cater to people who have a very specific, very controversial fetish, while alienating others.
Just because "weeeeh stop kinkshaming me, bro."
 

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