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Just now, Vae said:

I didn't read anger from Willow's post, either.

Also, morality aside, there's also the legality issue where drawn depictions of children still count as legitimate child porn in parts of the world.

I don't think it's worth it to cater to people who have a very specific, very controversial fetish, while alienating others.
Just because "weeeeh stop kinkshaming me, bro."
 

I'm not agreeing with the dude's opinion, I'm just a little buttmad that Willow asked that since he literally said it right there

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10 minutes ago, Sidewalk Surfboard said:

I'm not agreeing with the dude's opinion, I'm just a little buttmad that Willow asked that since he literally said it right there

But to be fair, it was a question that was needed to be stated for Willow to make the point: "Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect anyone else."

 

 

 

It wouldn't be my argument to make about pedoporn. Mine would be more along the line of "You're a fucking creep that gets off to kids getting fucked by adults/other kids." I'd delve into more arguments, but this pedophiles being booted from FN is done and over with. We can move the subjects to more pressing matters, like the hopeful (hopefully?) rework of the layout of artwork and possibly a "This weeks top submissions of fresh talent" being a thing, tbh, but that sounds like something Weasyl tried doing, but stopped a week into doing it due to the amount of work that'd take from other resources. Which is understandable, but I wouldn't mind the "popular" section getting reworked to default to top submissions in a week's timeframe to freshen the pool. 

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3 hours ago, Toshabi said:

Go back to inkbunny, pedobait.

Wow that's such a well thought out argument.

Of course when there is none to be made they resort to name calling.

Kind of disappointing when you could have a fact based discussion.

1 hour ago, willow said:

I'm not gonna get into this argument but I do have one question. Have you ever been sexually abused?

note that you don't actually have to answer the question, but basically, just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not an issue 

Actually if you read my entire comment you would know the answer to your question.

Many people have been sexually abused.

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7 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Wow that's such a well thought out argument.

Of course when there is none to be made they resort to name calling.

Kind of disappointing when you could have a fact based discussion.

Begone! Pedobait! I cast you out into the cold Inkbunny Blight! I name you unclean!

(Seriously, go back to that website that will accept your kind instead of running your pedobait dick all over places where it's not wanted)

 

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I think Toshabi is absolutely right about 'just because it affects you doesn't mean it doesn't affect anyone else.'

This is just my personal view, but things like cub porn (which we can essentially compare to things like shota and loli, right?) and things like gore - it goes with out saying that these are extreme fetishes. They're things that disgust a number of people, and an even larger number of people certainly don't find attractive. In fact, they all have heavy implications for certain people in the real world. Someone may have been sexually abused as a child - so to see a pornographic image of a child will no doubt be a problem for them. If these fetishes can invoke such a visceral response from people - in such a negative way, then surely it's right to at least attempt to censor it?

I don't have any extreme fetishes, and don't stand anywhere on whether it should be removed or not... but I think censorship of that kind of thing is important. Make it so only the people who want to see it can see it - that sort of thing. I know it's impossible, but websites can at least be designed in such a way that a sort of censorship can be achieved for their platform.

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42 minutes ago, Vae said:

I didn't read anger from Willow's post, either.

Also, morality aside, there's also the legality issue where drawn depictions of children still count as legitimate child porn in parts of the world.

I don't think it's worth it to cater to people who have a very specific, very controversial fetish, while alienating others.
Just because "weeeeh stop kinkshaming me, bro."
 

There is no legality issue. A website only has to abide by the laws it is located in not other countries. The laws of Iran have no effect in the United States. That is a poor argument to make.

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39 minutes ago, Toshabi said:

But to be fair, it was a question that was needed to be stated for Willow to make the point: "Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't affect anyone else."

 

 

 

It wouldn't be my argument to make about pedoporn. Mine would be more along the line of "You're a fucking creep that gets off to kids getting fucked by adults/other kids." I'd delve into more arguments, but this pedophiles being booted from FN is done and over with. We can move the subjects to more pressing matters, like the hopeful (hopefully?) rework of the layout of artwork and possibly a "This weeks top submissions of fresh talent" being a thing, tbh, but that sounds like something Weasyl tried doing, but stopped a week into doing it due to the amount of work that'd take from other resources. Which is understandable, but I wouldn't mind the "popular" section getting reworked to default to top submissions in a week's timeframe to freshen the pool. 

Wow so many logical fallacies there. By your logic all furries are zoophiles.

Basically it's something that you don't like so you resort to calling it something it's not because you have no substantial argument.

Cub artwork != what you claim it is

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1 minute ago, Elektranine said:

Wow so many logical fallacies there. By your logic all furries are zoophiles.

Basically it's something that you don't like so you resort to calling it something it's not because you have no substantial argument.

Cub artwork != what you claim it is

Age of Consent is a pretty consistent factor, Pedobait. 

Anyways, to the inkbunny shadowrealm with you, pedobait! 

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3 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Wow so many logical fallacies there. By your logic all furries are zoophiles.

Basically it's something that you don't like so you resort to calling it something it's not because you have no substantial argument.

Cub artwork != what you claim it is

It's a thin line. A very thin line.

Also, being into anything underage is pedophilia. You're just not yet a child diddler. 

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26 minutes ago, Falaffel said:

It's a thin line. A very thin line.

Also, being into anything underage is pedophilia. You're just not yet a child diddler. 

Your traveling very close to the cliff that is character defamation. I'd step away from that.

Enough with the strawman arguments guys.

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5 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Your traveling very close to the cliff that is character defamation. I'd step away from that.

Enough with the strawman arguments guys.

Nobody here is taking you seriously because of your previous posting and your nagging need to jump in and defend the pedofur community despite how many times people prove you wrong. You just aren't worth the time. 

 

And just a quick reminder for all, follow the link to this post to the previous thread and enjoy~

 

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1 minute ago, Elektranine said:

Your traveling very close to the cliff that is character defamation. I'd step away from that.

Enough with the strawman arguments guys.

Nah, I'm fine. If you want to throw a hissy fit because I'm calling people who are into cub pedophiles, in line with it's actual definition, then be my guest. 

By the way, it wasn't even directed at you. It was a broad statement about everyone who's into it. They're pedophiles. They should be glad they have even one place to share their interests. Nobody has to cater to them and nobody would ever want to. It's a bad image. 
Like it or not, that's just how things are. if you like cub porn, that's w/e. I don't want to see it. If FN made it so I never had to, that's fine. If they ban it outright, that's also fine. It's their choice. It doesn't have to be morally sound if the vast majority accepts it. That's just business. 

Get the fuck over it. 

Oh, and one last thing? Calling out logical fallacies does nothing to support your own argument. Especially when there is no logical fallacy at hand.

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48 minutes ago, Toshabi said:

Age of Consent is a pretty consistent factor, Pedobait. 

Anyways, to the inkbunny shadowrealm with you, pedobait! 

Age if consent is meaningless with fictional characters. A character can be any age you want it to be. 10 million, 1 million, 1000, 25, whatever.

To ban artwork because a couple people don't like the way it looks is just insane.

Also what's this fascination with this other site you keep mentioning. 

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Just now, Elektranine said:

Age if consent is meaningless with fictional characters. A character can be any age you want it to be. 10 million, 1 million, 1000, 25, whatever.

To ban artwork because a couple people don't like the way it looks is just insane.

Also what's this fascination with this other site you keep mentioning. 

The fictional characters are still depicted like small children. Having a sexual attraction to small children is still pedophilia. 

Also, it looks insane to you. Not the rest of us. There is no reason for them to give a fuck about a tiny minority when the vast majority approves of the ban. Again, it's a business. They don't need to be morally correct in anything so long as they're not getting shit from a significant amount of people.

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4 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Age if consent is meaningless with fictional characters. A character can be any age you want it to be. 10 million, 1 million, 1000, 25, whatever.

I love how none of those ages are underneath 15.

You chose only ages that are above the age of consent - so of course it would be "meaningless".

 

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13 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

To ban artwork because a couple people don't like the way it looks is just insane.

"A couple people."

Yeah, because sexual attraction to children is such a largely accepted topic in any kind of circumstance.

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I want to ask, yknow, whats the point of arguing about cub porn at this point? I'm asking politely to drop it since it just.. isn't a thing anymore to argue about. Feel free to make a thread arguing the merits of cub porn; You'll just see where that goes. ;-) 

FN did the right thing and banned it because its not something they want on their servers. For people to find it, they can find it on inkbunny and pixiv. They have places for their extreme fetishes. At that point, when you have that kind of fetish, you gotta deal with the fact people are gonna look at you differently. If you take offense to it, you should probably stop talking about that fetish you have :-)

Anyways, to steer it back on topic, their new UI updates on twitter looks promising. I wish they'd get rid of that fucking gradient, though. 

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12 minutes ago, Lemon said:

Anyways, to steer it back on topic, their new UI updates on twitter looks promising. I wish they'd get rid of that fucking gradient, though. 

It is pretty sleek. I don't mind the gradient too much, but hey, they are pretty good at listening to suggestions. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Elektranine said:

Yep literally a handful of SJW people who organized a astro turf campaign designed to make them look bigger than they are.

 

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GET OUT..... GET OUT....

 

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1 minute ago, 6tails said:

Well, in the USA, Federal law sets the MINIMUM age of consent at 12. From there, it varies from state to state.

I've never heard of this.

In New York it's 17, and the lowest I've heard of is 15.

What madman chose 12?

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41 minutes ago, Lemon said:

I want to ask, yknow, whats the point of arguing about cub porn at this point? I'm asking politely to drop it since it just.. isn't a thing anymore to argue about. Feel free to make a thread arguing the merits of cub porn; You'll just see where that goes. ;-) 

FN did the right thing and banned it because its not something they want on their servers. For people to find it, they can find it on inkbunny and pixiv. They have places for their extreme fetishes. At that point, when you have that kind of fetish, you gotta deal with the fact people are gonna look at you differently. If you take offense to it, you should probably stop talking about that fetish you have :-)

Anyways, to steer it back on topic, their new UI updates on twitter looks promising. I wish they'd get rid of that fucking gradient, though. 

Maybe I should.

 

I also find it peculiar that the entire thread is fine discussing cub artwork as long as it's bashing it

but as soon as someone comes in asking for facts and a logical discussion then all of the sudden its "maybe we shouldn't talk about this anymore"

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7 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Maybe I should.

I also find it peculiar that the entire thread is fine discussing cub artwork as long as it's bashing it

but as soon as someone comes in asking for facts and a logical discussion then all of the sudden its "maybe we shouldn't talk about this anymore"

Its not really that; its just that cub porn was talked about and the thread moved on since there's other things to talk about regarding FN.

If you'll notice I made quite a few posts in this thread defending cub art and arguing that it should have been left; the thread moved on fine and it wasn't suggested to put it down just because I said such. You just kind of arrived late.

But yeah, if you really want to, make a thread. And if you don't, I'd be up for making such a thread myself. Just know that such a thread would likely be a drama starter.

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7 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Maybe I should.

 

I also find it peculiar that the entire thread is fine discussing cub artwork as long as it's bashing it

but as soon as someone comes in asking for facts and a logical discussion then all of the sudden its "maybe we shouldn't talk about this anymore"

Battlechili quoted you, but yes... this thread has already been there, done that. This thread is about furrynetwork, and what they're doing. Since the final decision is that cub porn is banned, there's no point in talking about it at this point.

And yes, that thread will start an ugly, ugly, ugly fire. And battlechili was smart to not start it because they know it'll be the storm of ugliness. This forum will not take kindly to a subject of that magnitude.  Sure, argue about free will and all that...but as you've seen, it will not go well. I'm not sure you'd really want to be the receiver of it. What could be said in that thread will probably never be able to be taken back. Choose wisely. 

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4 minutes ago, Lemon said:

Battlechili quoted you, but yes... this thread has already been there, done that. This thread is about furrynetwork, and what they're doing. Since the final decision is that cub porn is banned, there's no point in talking about it at this point.

And yes, that thread will start an ugly, ugly, ugly fire. And battlechili was smart to not start it because they know it'll be the storm of ugliness. This forum will not take kindly to a subject of that magnitude.  Sure, argue about free will and all that...but as you've seen, it will not go well. I'm not sure you'd really want to be the receiver of it. What could be said in that thread will probably never be able to be taken back. Choose wisely. 

I may make such a thread once I get home, I'm still at work grading students' homework.

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6 hours ago, Elektranine said:

I may make such a thread once I get home, I'm still at work grading students' homework.

5 hours ago, Falaffel said:

Oh boy

Were you thinking what I'm thinking? I'm surprised @Toshabi let that one slip.

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1 minute ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Wow this forum never fails to disappoint me at least once per visit.

I've been sat here for like 5 minutes thinking of some possible way to drive the conversation forward but I no longer have any words. Only 'likes' for certain replies.

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5 hours ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Wow this forum never fails to disappoint me at least once per visit.

When you cub porn people let up and give up (much like you did with FA), this thread will die down till:

A) Stay stagnent till an update happens.

B) CONTROVERSY!!

C) Balloons.

 

Until then, we will keep on taking the obvious bait presented by the dude who's either the next big furry arrest or someone who's just trolling the shota/pedophile fur porn crowd. 

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21 minutes ago, Toshabi said:

When you cub porn people let up and give up (much like you did with FA), this thread will die down till:

A) Stay stagnent till an update happens.

B) CONTROVERSY!!

C) Balloons.

 

Where's the magical fourth wildcard option?

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16 hours ago, 6tails said:

I do not know, but for a while in my younger days, in Louisiana 12-year old children could buy beer in place of their parents because a huge chunk of the parental population couldn't (and still can't) count very well and were not well-educated. The kids knew how to make change, the parents did not. This varied from parish to parish, since the state for a while just stuck with the Federal minimum and left it up to the general populations of each area.

That's cause the federal laws tend to concentrate more on those 12 and younger (protect the children) while getting lax for the Teens (those fucking teenagers) where they switch to a system of "close in age" where if you are not within a 4 year gap of both parties...then you need to take a seat over here.

also that "12" thing also was cause back in the early 1900s/late 1800s the general age of consent was as low as 7...in Delaware, everyone else was fine with 10-12

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6 hours ago, FlynnCoyote said:

If you were paying attention, you'd realize that we aren't arguing in favour of cub porn, we're arguing against biased censorship. That's all.

ok, since we can't get off of censorship, here is something the Idola clan is gonna say on this:

"you aren't actually being censored, your content is just not allowed there as the site is privately owned they are free to do what they wish. Please do not use "But my first amendment's rights!!1!!" as thats only applies to the GOVERNMENT doing such a censorship, thus why its possible for businesses to do what they wish on how they are run, but anyone working for the government can not. You can still draw such thing, you can still enjoy such thing, you can still upload such things to the remaining two sites being Inkbunny and SoFurry. Understand that the system of "majority rules" still does apply where on inkbunny you are the majority and the second site is willing to uphold their stance of folks utilizing the blacklist feature."

 

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