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Just now, LadyRadarEars said:

It needs more questions so that my inherent EU4/Civ4/Black and White player-ness can come out and flip it all the way to 10 through sheer brutality.

Black n White was a pretty baller game, but I don't have my disks anymore :C

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22 minutes ago, LadyRadarEars said:

It needs more questions so that my inherent EU4/Civ4/Black and White player-ness can come out and flip it all the way to 10 through sheer brutality.

Yeah, if there were more questions on cynicism/militarism, my inner dictator would certainly have shown itself. I think I have launched more unprovoked invasions and oppressed more populations in EU IV and Civ 5 than Hitler could ever have dreamed of...

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1 minute ago, Osrik said:

Yeah, if there were more questions on cynicism/militarism, my inner dictator would certainly have shown itself. I think I have launched more unprovoked invasions and oppressed more populations in EU IV and Civ 5 than Hitler could ever have dreamed of...

Yeah the questionaire actually kinda sucked. A lot of questions were loaded as all hell, and some were atheist vs religious., even though the fascist view on religion is kinda complex.

A lot of political quzzies are kinda crappy. There's the popular 4-way spectrum one that gives you lefty points when you say you're anti-establishment.

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16 minutes ago, Osrik said:

Yeah, if there were more questions on cynicism/militarism, my inner dictator would certainly have shown itself. I think I have launched more unprovoked invasions and oppressed more populations in EU IV and Civ 5 than Hitler could ever have dreamed of...

Once I conquered nazi germany and the ussr as Poland. HUSSAAAAAAAAARS.

And the less said about what I do in black and white, the better, really.

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22 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

Yeah the questionaire actually kinda sucked. A lot of questions were loaded as all hell, and some were atheist vs religious., even though the fascist view on religion is kinda complex.

A lot of political quzzies are kinda crappy. There's the popular 4-way spectrum one that gives you lefty points when you say you're anti-establishment.

Yeah, whoever created this certainly viewed superstition and religion as the most central aspects of fascism, which would be true when looking at someone like Himmler, but less so with most other fascists.

They certainly play a role, as a fascist leader is usually seen in somewhat superhuman light by his followers, but there are many other factors that were underrepresented.

13 minutes ago, LadyRadarEars said:

Once I conquered nazi germany and the ussr as Poland. HUSSAAAAAAAAARS.

And the less said about what I do in black and white, the better, really.

It is always the most fun to crush the great powers as the most improbable states...

in one game of EU IV as Venice I managed to crush Austria militarily, unite Italy, and became the dominant power in a personal union with France.

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1 minute ago, Osrik said:

Yeah, whoever created this certainly viewed superstition and religion as the most central aspects of fascism, which would be true when looking at someone like Himmler, but less so with most other fascists.

They certainly play a role, as a fascist leader is usually seen in somewhat superhuman light by his followers, but there are many other factors that were underrepresented.

It is always the most fun to crush the great powers as the most improbable states...

in one game of EU IV I played as Venice I managed to crush Austria militarily, unite Italy, and became the dominant power in a personal union with France.

Depending on the 'lucky nations' option that isn't that hard, especially if Austria tries to conquer Hungary and fails. Its not like in EU3 where you blink and suddenly the entirety of Europe is blue, white, and russian green Thank god.

Of course doing it as an italian minor is a bit harder than doing it as a german minor, if only because marriage opportunities aren't as good and are only barely offset by MONEY.

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Just now, Osrik said:

Yeah, whoever created this certainly viewed superstition and religion as the most central aspects of fascism, which would be true when looking at someone like Himmler, but less so with most other fascists.

They certainly play a role, as a fascist leader is usually seen in somewhat superhuman light by his followers, but there are many other factors that were underrepresented.

Well it's odd because Nazi Germany was almost exclusively Catholic, but Himmler and the SS were busy trying to resurrect Paganism as they preferred its moral code and ancient European roots, meanwhile Goebbels did not believe in god, but steered Hitler away from promoting Paganism and instead supporting the Catholics, and then Hitler once said something about him respecting Islam more than any other religion, and then Himmler said something about the SS accepting all beliefs except atheism, and some other time Hitler out loud 'n' proud stated that his movement was Christian.

Weird.

To me it's just another example of how "fascism" is thrown around as some conveniently malleable buzzword to browbeat political opponents, when in present reality, defining fascism is like nailing jelly to a wall. Even more annoying are the links within the quiz site that attempt to describe fascism in a short form, but say nothing of the works of fascist thinkers of the old days, and say nothing of fascist critiques of capitalism, democracy, communism, media, and many other things. To no surprise, the given sources are (mostly) from modern American universities.

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14 minutes ago, LadyRadarEars said:

Depending on the 'lucky nations' option that isn't that hard, especially if Austria tries to conquer Hungary and fails. Its not like in EU3 where you blink and suddenly the entirety of Europe is blue, white, and russian green Thank god.

Of course doing it as an italian minor is a bit harder than doing it as a german minor, if only because marriage opportunities aren't as good and are only barely offset by MONEY.

It certainly wasn't the most difficult game of EU I have had (that would be my game as Austria, constant wars with a powerful France in EU IV are terrifying...), but it was the most historically absurd of my games. Add in the fact that I converted all of Italy to Protestantism (trade bonuses and France had converted) while also holding massive African and American colonies, and my united Venetian Italian-French Empire was quite the spectacle...

3 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

Well it's odd because Nazi Germany was almost exclusively Catholic, but Himmler and the SS were busy trying to resurrect Paganism as they preferred its moral code and ancient European roots, meanwhile Goebbels did not believe in god, but steered Hitler away from promoting Paganism and instead supporting the Catholics, and then Hitler once said something about him respecting Islam more than any other religion, and then Himmler said something about the SS accepting all beliefs except atheism, and some other time Hitler out loud 'n' proud stated that his movement was Christian.

Weird.

To me it's just another example of how "fascism" is thrown around as some conveniently malleable buzzword to browbeat political opponents, when in present reality, defining fascism is like nailing jelly to a wall. Even more annoying are the links within the quiz site that attempt to describe fascism in a short form, but say nothing of the works of fascist thinkers of the old days, and say nothing of fascist critiques of capitalism, democracy, communism, media, and many other things. To no surprise, the given sources are (mostly) from modern American universities.

I was mostly referring to superstition rather than religion, but you are spot on about the difficulty in defining Fascism. One thing that certainly creates confusion is the equating of Nazism with Fascism, in general, when it is really a subset that has its own unique features. It is somewhat similar to how Communism, Socialism, and Marxism are all commonly treated as the same thing, when they really are related ideologies with many unique features.

As to using it simply to browbeat political opponents, that is certainly true, I always find it humorous when someone calls Obama Hitler...

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9 minutes ago, Osrik said:

I was mostly referring to superstition rather than religion, but you are spot on about the difficulty in defining Fascism. One thing that certainly creates confusion is the equating of Nazism with Fascism, in general, when it is really a subset that has its own unique features. It is somewhat similar to how Communism, Socialism, and Marxism are all commonly treated as the same thing, when they really are related ideologies with many unique features.

As to using it simply to browbeat political opponents, that is certainly true, I always find it humorous when someone calls Obama Hitler...

Trump is Hitler, Obama is Hitler, everything I don't like is Hitler...

But yeah, Nazism is Fascism, and Fascism is not Nazism. Hitler's views were highly ethnocentric, but Mussolini had a more civic nationalist approach. Then there were people like GL Rockwell who was far more race-oriented than Hitler, and Sir Mosley who spoke less about race, and more about capitalism and was popular among the suffragettes in his time.

Other than that, Hitler, Mussolini, and (I think) Mosley were all socialists/leaning commies before subscribing to Fascist ideas. Socialists of today are also lumped in with Hitler's National Socialists, but they are so very different aside from the basic idea of working for "the common good."

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53 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

Trump is Hitler, Obama is Hitler, everything I don't like is Hitler...

But yeah, Nazism is Fascism, and Fascism is not Nazism. Hitler's views were highly ethnocentric, but Mussolini had a more civic nationalist approach. Then there were people like GL Rockwell who was far more race-oriented than Hitler, and Sir Mosley who spoke less about race, and more about capitalism and was popular among the suffragettes in his time.

Other than that, Hitler, Mussolini, and (I think) Mosley were all socialists/leaning commies before subscribing to Fascist ideas. Socialists of today are also lumped in with Hitler's National Socialists, but they are so very different aside from the basic idea of working for "the common good."

What I love is when someone gets called fascist for doing something unrelated to fascism. Rolling Stone called DEVO fascist for not being a more traditional rock band.

Anyways, what people don't seem to understand is that ideologies have different schools of thought. No two people of a certain ideology are going to agree 100% of the way.

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