Imperial Impact Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Rassah said: I used to live in a run down shack in Towson off York Road near Towson University, sharing the house with 5 other people, including druggies, scrounging $20 a month on food, and skimping on rent but only delaying being homeless thanks to the gay landlord finding me attractive and sometimes getting butseks from me. It wasn't fun and swore I'd never be there again. I think you were getting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Quote -There are housing regulations to stop dangerous death-traps from being built, and to prevent people invading land set aside for conservation. Assumes people want to live in death traps, or prefer to live on the street or a POS housing as opposed to taking a risk with something not safe that they can fix themselves Quote -There are driver's license regulations to prevent dangerously under-experienced people from driving. Assuming you actually need driving skills to get a driver licence, instead of learning everything but the basics on your own afterwards. Also assumes people terrified about their own lives when they first start driving and thus go slow and careful. Quote -There are weapons regulations to reduce arms sales to convicted criminals and deranged people. Everyone in your country is a deranged convicted person then. Quote -There are fishing rules because, without the, the fish reserves would soon be exploited to the point of extinction. Assuming businesses don't have a self interest to protect their own source of income, or that prices of fish won't skyrocket when fish gets rare, dropping demand for the fish, and driving those businesses to come up with other ways to get fish (fish farming). Quote -Collection of Rainwater is mandatory in some countries with astonishingly small natural water supplies (for example Bermuda) And illegal in some states. But again assumes that people in Bermuda don't want water and wouldn't collect it themselves? Quote -If there were no hunting regulations, then wild stocks of animals could be exploited and depleted or driven to extinction. Unless the land is private. The best game reserves and rare species conservatories are private, many of which are in Texas, are private. Quote -Without laws about road-crossing it wouldn't be possible to determine liability in car-crashes with pedestrians It doesn't take a government to figure out that if you walk out in front of a moving car, you're at fault. Actually this is done by traffic lawyers. Quote -Without laws about marriage, paedophiles could marry 6 year olds. 6 year olds can't enter into contracts and no one would hold them up to such a contract. Quote -Without laws about leaving the country it would be easy for criminals to escape, or for foreign fighters to join groups like IS. Assumes people in other countries don't consider what they did to be a crime, and wouldn't punish them in the exact same way. Quote -Businesses that are established need to be known about for tax collection and for regulatory inspection. Circular reasoning: we need to tax and regulate businesses so that if they get established we can tax and regulate them. Quote -Obviously there need to be aviation laws, otherwise dangerous people could board them more easily. Assumes airlines aren't interested in their own safety, despite them already doing way more due diligence than regulations call for. Plane hijackings and crashes are terrible for business. Quote -Without laws about work it would be difficult to guarantee workers' rights and responsibilities and to prevent large scale economic immigration. Except those regulations prevent workers from getting jobs, not protect them. Your employment contract protects you. Also assumes large scale economic immigration from an address with a dead economy is a bad thing (look how well our Detroit is doing with the jobless people staying put) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 22 minutes ago, Rassah said: I used to live in a run down shack in Towson off York Road near Towson University, sharing the house with 5 other people, including druggies, scrounging $20 a month on food, and skimping on rent but only delaying being homeless thanks to the gay landlord finding me attractive and sometimes getting butseks from me. It wasn't fun and swore I'd never be there again. I'm now retired for two years. @Saxon Remember "ship shape" or do you need a reminder? Do you know of CE and UL? Ugh! IRL Buttcoin! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Rassah said: Assumes people want to live in death traps This is how you start an argument that is meant to convert me to anarchism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossa Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 43 minutes ago, Saxon said: ...I'm pretty sure your landlord should be in prison if he was accepting sexual favours in place of rent. O_O One would think so, but things are kinda rough in lots of places, here. There's a lot of prostitution all throughout he DC-Baltimore-NYC region: In DC, you get them catering to the political class, in Baltimore, it's more down and dirty, in NYC, who knows...But it is rampant in DC/Baltimore, in a lot of different guises. There's a ton of poverty in both metro areas, and a ton of wealth...it can be a sad place, in that way, the sharp contrasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, Saxon said: This is how you start an argument that is meant to convert me to anarchism? Your entire argument is based on the idea that people are babies who need pampering by mommy government. My problem is with you thinking it's ok to give extra powers to a small group of people to be our helicopter parents who will protect us from ourselves, and thinking they actually know wtf they're doing or that they won't abuse that power for personal use. 29 minutes ago, Fossa-Boy said: One would think so, but things are kinda rough in lots of places, here. There's a lot of prostitution all throughout he DC-Baltimore-NYC region: In DC, you get them catering to the political class, in Baltimore, it's more down and dirty, in NYC, who knows...But it is rampant in DC/Baltimore, in a lot of different guises. There's a ton of poverty in both metro areas, and a ton of wealth...it can be a sad place, in that way, the sharp contrasts. Yeah, it wasn't really prostitution. Not like "gimme sex and you stay another week," but just once in a while and him liking me and forgiving me for not being able to find a job yet. Btw, the first job I finally found was in Herndon VA. Imagine that commute... As for the area, yeah... I actually have a few "escort ladies" clients who buy bitcoin from me on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Rassah said: Your entire argument is based on the idea that people are babies who need pampering by mommy government. My problem is with you thinking it's ok to give extra powers to a small group of people to be our helicopter parents who will protect us from ourselves, and thinking they actually know wtf they're doing or that they won't abuse that power for personal use. I don't think so. People don't end up living in unsafe houses because they want it to be that way. Many of your other responses are flawed because there are real life examples of species of plants and animals going extinct or nearly-extinct because of over-exploitation, demonstrating the need for evidence-based laws that regulate hunting and fishing and human activities that could harm the natural environment. I think that, by and large, the democratic system of government that we have contrived helps, and that it meets these ends with less overbearing intervention than other styles of government. Just, stop and think about what you want when you suggest that nobody should need a license to drive a car and that insisting on licensing is 'just government babying'. :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rassah Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Saxon said: I don't think so. People don't end up living in unsafe houses because they want it to be that way. Of course. Everyone wants to live in a mansion. But it's better than not having one or having a smaller crappy one because you can't afford the extra regulatory costs. It's really no different with things like minimum wage. Everyone wants to make tons of money, but it's better to make at least something than to be priced out of the market. It's like you guys think resources are unlimited and everyone would have the best stuff if we only made laws to force someone to give it to them. Quote Many of your other responses are flawed because there are real life examples of species of plants and animals going extinct or nearly-extinct because of over-exploitation Government created tragedy of the commons requiring a government solution. One, or two, extra steps/issues we don't need there. Quote I think that, by and large, the democratic system of government that we have contrived helps, and that it meets these ends with less overbearing intervention than other styles of government. Oh, no doubt. Government styles now are way better than the monarchies and dictatorships we had before. I'm just saying that with all the issues government creates, less of it would be better because we won't have those problems in the first place. I mean, like, this is a great example of some steps that could be fixed if we just got rid of them instead of pilling on more government: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted October 24, 2016 Author Share Posted October 24, 2016 Milo now has a professor of memeology to help him. Let us explore the dankest memes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 On 10/21/2016 at 3:39 PM, Saxon said: I don't think so. People don't end up living in unsafe houses because they want it to be that way. Many of your other responses are flawed because there are real life examples of species of plants and animals going extinct or nearly-extinct because of over-exploitation, demonstrating the need for evidence-based laws that regulate hunting and fishing and human activities that could harm the natural environment. I think that, by and large, the democratic system of government that we have contrived helps, and that it meets these ends with less overbearing intervention than other styles of government. Just, stop and think about what you want when you suggest that nobody should need a license to drive a car and that insisting on licensing is 'just government babying'. :\ My current research relates to autonomous motivation for self-care in people with disabilities and chronic illnesses. As a therapist and a researcher, I've long wrestled with the problem of wanting clients/patients to be autonomous and have control of their lives, while recognizing that they sometimes lack the competence, knowledge, intelligence, level-headedness, tools, or motivation to take care of themselves and solve their own problems. You've got to strike this delicate balance between being too authoritarian and/or too hierarchical and being too laissez-faire and/or egalitarian. In some cases, you've got to step back and let someone make a choice that you know is bad for them, and other times, you've got to intervene, because their bad choice will have more widespread repercussions. As a society, sometimes, we have to discourage or even forbid people from doing certain things because the negative fallout will make it harder for others to exercise their own freedoms and choices in the future. From watching nature, we can see examples of how organisms can actually eventually drive themselves to extinction just by pursuing their own interests and survival, if nothing checks their growth or expansion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 Well I kind of think this video must be made up but if it is really Micheal Moore then it's kind of amazing. The guy is a total leftist but maybe things are starting to swing Trump's way in a smash the system kind of style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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