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So apparently the Republican state campaign HQ in NC got firebombed and graffiti'd.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/33401901/republican-hq-in-orange-county-firebombed-gop-officials-say

 

 

Half the fucking comments on /r/news are just trying to deflect to those three idiots that were plotting to attack a Somali refugee camp (and weren't even able to carry it out before being arrested) as if that somehow justifies Trump supporters having literally had the shit beat out of them all year. CTR Headquarters /r/politics is just flat out victim-blaming them.

 

This country is well on its way to a fucking civil war.

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*deep sigh*

Can this election cycle PLEASE be over already? All this negativity, all this hatred, all this intolerance, all this violence needs to stop. Both sides of the political spectrum keep getting polarized with every hate crime, every act of violence, every display of intolerance. This political season has brought out the worst of us, and I just want it to end. 

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as much as I dislike the GOP, it's still pretty shitty that some people literally cannot help themselves and do stuff like this because they think they're proving a point. this actually goes for both sides though

however, that being said, I'd also like to entertain the possibility that whoever did it wasn't affiliated with any party

 

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24 minutes ago, willow said:

however, that being said, I'd also like to entertain the possibility that whoever did it wasn't affiliated with any party

This. May such things, especially riots, tend to be started by non-affiliated agitators simply looking to cause some chaos.

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5 minutes ago, DrGravitas said:

This. May such things, especially riots, tend to be started by non-affiliated agitators simply looking to cause some chaos.

Oh, yeah. Totally not politically motivated. Nope, just some bored kids trying to cause trouble! Boys will be boys.

I have a feeling if the Democratic headquarters were attacked you'd see it as a horrible act of terrorism committed by a bunch of deplorables.

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34 minutes ago, Hux said:

Oh, yeah. Totally not politically motivated. Nope, just some bored kids trying to cause trouble! Boys will be boys.

nah that's not really what he's saying. it's politically motivated, but that doesn't mean it's associated with any one party

of course it's more likely, because like I said people literally cannot help themselves sometimes and democrats are the most obvious suspects, but I also think it'd be interesting if it actually wasn't a democrat

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1 hour ago, Hux said:

Oh, yeah. Totally not politically motivated. Nope, just some bored kids trying to cause trouble! Boys will be boys.

I have a feeling if the Democratic headquarters were attacked you'd see it as a horrible act of terrorism committed by a bunch of deplorables.

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The point of my post was not to excuse this act. It is indeed deplorable. The point was there's little point in speculating about who did or did not do it; time will tell that.

I am merely mentioning that it doesn't have to be a worsening "Us vs Them" situation here. There are plenty who would take advantage of the situation to make things worse for their own gain as well as those with no complex motives, in order to illustrate my point. There is no innate knowledge present here that could possibly confirm the source of the attack.

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1 hour ago, willow said:

nah that's not really what he's saying. it's politically motivated, but that doesn't mean it's associated with any one party

of course it's more likely, because like I said people literally cannot help themselves sometimes and democrats are the most obvious suspects, but I also think it'd be interesting if it actually wasn't a democrat

Fair point. I just felt like DrGravitas was trying to imply this was just a random act committed by a third party in order to provoke people. 

I had no problem with your initial statement and I thought it was reasonable, but unlikely.

Thanks for the civil reply.

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4 hours ago, willow said:

as much as I dislike the GOP, it's still pretty shitty that some people literally cannot help themselves and do stuff like this because they think they're proving a point. this actually goes for both sides though

however, that being said, I'd also like to entertain the possibility that whoever did it wasn't affiliated with any party

 

For like 1/10th of a second before realizing it was Hillary Supporters who did it. 

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I think it's odd that assigning a party affiliation/political leaning to the committer of a crime is so important to many people; why does this matter? The act of a single individual or small group has no real bearing on the actions or ideas of others who are members of the same group or ideology, unless it can be specifically demonstrated that they directly supported or that there existed wider sympathy for such an action (such as the Southern Democrat's support of segregation and acts of racial violence in the before the Civil Rights era).

If this wider connection cannot be proven, the whole act of exposing their political leanings and whatever argument that follows has no substance, as all you prove is that hateful and/or insane people exist on both sides, as the current event does nothing to past history.

It is most commonly advanced as a convoluted argument by some on the Right; it starts with the assertion that an attack on the Right is being ignored or was caused by the Left, and afterwards leads to claims of wider victimization by some monolithic Liberal Menace (It seems to be a constant condition of the American Right to play the victim, when they are in fact in many ways more powerful and united than the Left, you need only to look to Fox News as a counter to claims of the Liberal dominated news) and even at times becomes a straw man argument used as an implied defense or justification for crimes committed by those of the Right.

At the same time, there are those on the Left who will try to blame wider groups of the Right for actions of specific individuals or extreme groups on the Right when there is little connection or sympathy between them, this too being a flawed connection unless further proof of sympathy or connection between the groups can be provided.

So, in conclusion, the focus on the political leanings of the committer of a crime is pointless unless sympathy or connection can be proven to the wider group, this focus and the arguments that derive from them only serving to be politically divisive while containing little of substance.

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5 hours ago, Gamedog said:

Liberals, whenever a liberal acts violent or aggressive: We need to exhaust all methods of figuring out what non-liberal group caused this

my favourite example of this was during the ferguson riots where everyone had this dumb conspiracy theory that all the violence and looting and sabotaging fire crews was started by FBI plants or something to make the "protestors" look bad and further entrench institutionalised racism

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21 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

my favourite example of this was during the ferguson riots where everyone had this dumb conspiracy theory that all the violence and looting and sabotaging fire crews was started by FBI plants or something to make the "protestors" look bad and further entrench institutionalised racism

Conspiracy theorists will believe anything; do you remember when a woman was assassinated ahead of the Brexit referendum and conspiracy theorists thought it was an inside job to make the leave voters look violent?

I found an academic at my college who actually believed that.

5 minutes ago, Sylver said:

It's interesting how people can make leaps in logic and then vehemently defend their illogical conclusion as if it were the absolute truth.

GOP State HQ is attacked, therefore Hillary supporters did it.

If a Hillary supporter did it, then Hillary supporters are likely violent criminals.

I think most people want to feel separate from the people they dislike, so they distance themselves. I am not a Hillary supporter(bad), I support Trump(good), therefore I am good (more or less). It's also nice to feel pleasure when a group or person you hate is hurt, because you don't have to feel bad about it because they're bad people and obviously deserved it. Out of curiosity, did anyone feel pleasure when they heard about Osama bin ladin's execution, or the ISIS members who were bombed to shit, or a paedophile being stabbed and raped in prison, or something along those lines? It's a bit like that, but on a smaller scale.

I'm not sure what I'm typing anymore so I'll stop there.

To be honest when I hear about prison rape I feel angry, because it means that horrible criminals are enjoying raping other inmates, when they should be atoning for their crimes.

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1 hour ago, Sylver said:

It's interesting how people can make leaps in logic and then vehemently defend their illogical conclusion as if it were the absolute truth.

GOP State HQ is attacked, therefore Hillary supporters did it.

If a Hillary supporter did it, then Hillary supporters are likely violent criminals.

 

Humans are biased animals and it's easier to jump to conclusions and point fingers than to examine that perhaps it is not some unhinged adult, but some ass hole teenager.

This kind of political warfare against ideals is appalling, but I am happy that no one was inside of the building.

 

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2 hours ago, Sylver said:

You're one of the few. Personally I'm indifferent to that type of stuff, for whatever reason.

One man I spoke with said he was in favour of it, especially if they contract sexually transmitted diseases.

My stomach usually roles over when I talk with him though.

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27 minutes ago, Astus said:

If someone hasn't said this already... I bet ten dollars that it was Trump's people that actually did it, so that he could blame Hilary's people for doing it. If I was trying to win an election and not give a crud about honesty, it's what I'd do

 

Also http://huff.to/2e0Nr8G

I'd put that into the conspiracy theories column. Not that it isn't impossible that it could be someone trying to make themselves a martyr, but I think that's farfetched.

The gofundme is a stepping the right direction.

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2 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

All I'm sayin' is, if we built a wall around Syria and kicked all those gosh darn darkies out none of this would've happened.

First we fuck up middle east by arbitrarily carving up their borders during age of imperialism (After WW1), couping local governments that risked oil supply to west and instigating insurgents to raise when there's a military occupation in their own homeland and then we are proposing to build a wall around the problem we created. Way to go

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59 minutes ago, Astus said:

If someone hasn't said this already... I bet ten dollars that it was Trump's people that actually did it, so that he could blame Hilary's people for doing it. If I was trying to win an election and not give a crud about honesty, it's what I'd do

 

Also http://huff.to/2e0Nr8G

That seems more along the lines of Hillarys thought process

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If it doesn't fall under one of the "Liberal Trending Groups", it will not be of liberal concern to concentrate on the victims, but defend/excuse the offenders.

 

Example:

Gay shooting in Florida: "DON'T ACCUSE THE MUSLIMS OF HATING GAYS OR WANTING THEM ALL KILLED".

 

Gosh I wish gays were still a trending, hot topic for liberals. 

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1 hour ago, Astus said:

>huffington post

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Huffpo is just fucking hilarious with how insane they are. They recently ran an opinion piece encouraging people to break into homes and cars to steal and destroy guns (AKA a bunch of fucking felonies including breaking and entering and grand larceny depending on gun stolen, etc. etc.) just because fuck gun owners amirite (and then they deleted it when someone illuminated them on how fucked up that idea really is). Bonus points for the terrifying and psychotic ranting and rampant oversexualization that comprises most of the article.

http://archive.is/yBMT9 (fucked up formatting tho)

 

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Betsy got tired of waiting for the gunsucking cowards in Congress to get off their asses and save some lives, so she decided to take matters into her own sticky, chalky hands.

Gunhumpers love their deadly fetish objects so much that they bring them everywhere they go, and usually do a really shitty job of securing them. This is not so good for the 100 kids who Second Amendment themselves to death every year, but the silver lining is that it does help make Betsy’s job much easier.

Unlocked cars are a great place to find any kind of gun a Betsy might want, from handguns to AR-15s. Betsy helpfully reminded thisgun owner former gun owner of the cold statistical truth:

Garages can also offer a wealth of weapons to literally anyone who happens to stroll by. Irresponsible gunlicking f*ckwits, take note: if you can’t keep your f*cking guns out of the wrong f*cking hands, they will end up in Betsy’s.

Any betsy can play this game – it’s fun and easy! The best part is that you don’t even really have to look all that hard before you start finding killing machines left lying around somewhere where a fragile man-child or a violent felon or a kid can pick ‘em up – public bathrooms, parks, even Disney World!

Make sure to take trophy pics…

 

If this is where you get your fucking news, your brians may be damaged.

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37 minutes ago, willow said:

tbh the only way we can make America great again is by giving the land back to the Native Americans :P

They'll just take all of China's money with rigged Indian casinos.

It's perfect...

http://archive.is/yBMT9 (fucked up formatting tho)

If this is where you get your fucking news, your brians may be damaged.

Are we sure this is real? This reads like something Breitbart would run as an April Fool's Day joke.

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5 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

They'll just take all of China's money with rigged Indian casinos.

It's perfect...

Are we sure this is real? This reads like something Breitbart would run as an April Fool's Day joke.

This is just a week or so old, little late for April Fool's. Besides, being active in the gun debate, I see a disturbing number of people with similar mindsets (it always comes back to gun owners' penises for some reason...)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/betsy-goes-gun-grabbin_us_57f6d7d6e4b0d786aa52adcd This is the URL saved in the archive.is link -- notice how when you go to the live version it says "This post from The Huffington Post Contributor Platform is no longer available on our site."

Someone at Huffpo looked it over and decided it was good enough to put on their live fucking website.

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2 hours ago, Zeke said:

I'd put that into the conspiracy theories column. Not that it isn't impossible that it could be someone trying to make themselves a martyr, but I think that's farfetched.

The gofundme is a stepping the right direction.

With Trump or Clinton, literally anything is possible

 

1 hour ago, Victor-933 said:

>huffington post

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Okay fine here's another news source saying it. Here I picked out Fox news because they're republican http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/17/democrats-raise-funds-for-gop-after-north-carolina-headquarters-firebombed.html

Immediately disregarding something because of the way it is formatted or told is a sign of ignorance and intolerance. Maybe if you look and understand why the person is writing like they did you'll see their point behind the crap load of words... and not that I get my news from huffington post, it was the first link on Google

 

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3 minutes ago, Astus said:

Immediately disregarding something because of the way it is formatted or told is a sign of ignorance and intolerance.

Oh no, not intolerance.

Besides, it's more just automatic dismissal of the source. You would (or should) probably be automatically skeptical of anything posted by Infowars/Alex Jones, RT, or Breitbart.

Huffpo is the same way.

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If people want to find out whether a news story is believable, you can try following the sources provided, to see whether they are legitimate.

If no sources are provided, you can check for corroboration on other news outlets.

 

I am surprised people don't do this, because it takes less than a minute.

Are we sure this is real?

Yeah, I'm calling Bullshit too, because it reads like satire.

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2 minutes ago, Victor-933 said:

Oh no, not intolerance.

Besides, it's more just automatic dismissal of the source. You would (or should) probably be automatically skeptical of anything posted by Infowars/Alex Jones, RT, or Breitbart.

Huffpo is the same way.

It is intolerant because you automatically dismiss the source of the information because at one point or another they said something you you didn't understand or agree with; understanding a worldly view is important to discern the truth of any subject matter. You can be skeptical of the information, but don't dismiss it until you can prove it is in fact false

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1 minute ago, Astus said:

It is intolerant because you automatically dismiss the source of the information because at one point or another they said something you you didn't understand or agree with; understanding a worldly view is important to discern the truth of any subject matter. You can be skeptical of the information, but don't dismiss it until you can prove it is in fact false

To be honest I don't think this is 'intolerance'; I think it is laziness. I wouldn't personally quote the huffington post though, because I've seen them publish some pretty odd things.

...although I've seen mainstream newspapers publish articles claiming asbestos isn't dangerous and that second hand smoking doesn't exist, so even reputed news outlets are often appallingly bad.

If there is a link to the original source, I would usually just go ahead and post that.

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1 minute ago, Astus said:

It is intolerant because you automatically dismiss the source of the information because at one point or another they said something you you didn't understand or agree with; understanding a worldly view is important to discern the truth of any subject matter. You can be skeptical of the information, but don't dismiss it until you can prove it is in fact false

Says the guy who immediately jumps to victim-blaming because even in this increasingly violent and hateful political climate it's inconceivable that loving and tolerant leftists could be behind firebombing a Republican campaign office in a county that is 95% Democrat.

I dismiss sites like Huffpo and Motherjones not because I "disagree" with them but because time and again they have made outlandish claims with falsified or misrepresented data and therefore, to me, they've destroyed their own credibility. Take your own advice and fact-check some shit sometime instead of just blindly falling in lock-step with shitholes that regurgitate what you want to be told.

 

But whatever, you go ahead and keep trying to lecture me, Mr. Enlightenment.

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2 minutes ago, Victor-933 said:

Says the guy who immediately jumps to victim-blaming because even in this increasingly violent and hateful political climate it's inconceivable that loving and tolerant leftists could be behind firebombing a Republican campaign office in a county that is 95% Democrat.

I dismiss sites like Huffpo and Motherjones not because I "disagree" with them but because time and again they have made outlandish claims with falsified or misrepresented data and therefore, to me, they've destroyed their own credibility. Take your own advice and fact-check some shit sometime instead of just blindly falling in lock-step with shitholes that regurgitate what you want to be told.

 

But whatever, you go ahead and keep trying to lecture me, Mr. Enlightenment.

Astus proposed a conspiracy theory, not victim-blaming.
An example of victim blaming would be claiming that the office deserved what they got because they left their door unlocked, for example.

Anyway, I am surprised people are so impassioned about the validity of a news article which it took me only a moment to check.

People need to stop being triggered when they see the name of a news site they dislike. 'Oh my god, how dare you post a fox news article!?' is something I see a lot of, for example.

 

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5 minutes ago, Saxon said:

 

Anyway, I am surprised people are so impassioned about the validity of a news article which it took me only a moment to check.

People need to stop being triggered when they see the name of a news site they dislike. 'Oh my god, how dare you post a fox news article!?' is something I see a lot of, for example.

 

Well, when someone keeps lying to you, it gets kind of silly to be expected to keep listening to that someone.

 

I seem to recall a famous story about this. Something about wolves and crying.

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5 minutes ago, Victor-933 said:

Well, when someone keeps lying to you, it gets kind of silly to be expected to keep listening to that someone.

 

I seem to recall a famous story about this. Something about wolves and crying.

If I was triggered by every news site I found lies on, I wouldn't be able to read the news at all. Huffington is pretty bad, although Fox is too, to be honest. Neither of them approach the monumental scientific errors I've seen in the Telegraph and Daily Mail, though. The BBC tends to be good on science, but I've seen them make huge mistakes as well, such as claiming that earthquakes can be forecast. (I shit you not, they seriously published an article claiming this).

Essentially, whatever you post somebody out there is going to refuse to read it because they perceive it as biased, but come on; it takes such a short amount of time to check things nowadays.

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