AyGee Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 So I've got a lot of disheartening ideas floating around all week, to the point that it's affecting my ability to concentrate or think clearly on other matters. To get us started, a little viewing >HERE< For those of you who don't want to follow the link, I'll try to summarize: Person in safe space discusses abolishing all scientific progress and knowledge because it's too Western, and insists on rebuilding it from the ground up to make it more 'relevant' to Africans. And there's just so many levels where I can point out the sheer wrongness of this line of thought, but first and foremost was my hypothetical rebuttal to the idea: Quote If you did abolish all Western-discovered science and rebuild from the ground up, in the absolute best case scenario you would spend the next 1000 to 2000 years rediscovering all the same shit white people did. The properties of the universe were not designed by committee. No one voted on the laws of physics. They simply are, and always have been, and are not at all affected by what people think of them or who discovered them first. Also of note was the point in this discussion where the person presenting this notion of abolishing science started talking about shamans casting lightning curses at people, to which a person listening calls out the superstition with "But that's not true!" The moderator then stopped the discussion, and forced that person to apologize... Apologize... ...for living in this century and not believing lightning mages exist. And I guess the thing that's troubling me most about all this was how all this ties together into some kind of beautifully brick-headed way of thinking that will likely condemn many, many people to a much lower quality of life, or worse to death by completely preventable causes. You see, when I argue something, I present evidence and facts to support my opinion. I stick to the measurable and provable, and I've always felt the way it ought to be is that the viewpoint with the greater weight of empirical evidence on its side is typically more 'correct.' But these people, and I'm not just talking about this group in South Africa. I just mean... these people... They genuinely don't listen to facts. Either they don't like the color of the mouth that the words came from, or the dangly bits between the legs of the person who's mouth it came from, or any number of arbitrary and unrelated details, and just decide based on that alone that all facts uttered by that person are 'wrong' or 'crazy' or 'trolling,' because... what... The truth is just whatever feels comfortable, right? Just ignore reality, or better yet, insist that we can somehow alter the immutable natural laws of the universe by thinking REALLY HARD about them being different in a way that 'seems better.' And I had that harrowing, sinking feeling. I could amass all the evidence in the world, I could conduct experiments and measure things before their eyes, I could grab them by the hair and point their head at the sky and say, "LOOK! IT'S BLUE!" But if I'm of some un-good enough type (read: white male), or the conclusion drawn is unpleasant, then it doesn't matter what reality says. I'd just be shouting against the tide at that point. I literally Google'd 'How to be more violent' after that realization fully, truly sunk in, because I was convinced that the only way to convey the well-grounded conclusion to these reality-deniers was to literally beat it into them - be stronger, hit harder, shout louder until the other side is too maimed and cowed to argue back, because I'm certain they would do the same to their opposition first, given the chance. There would be no more evidence or debating, just 'this is right because my club is bigger.' And honestly, the thought makes me feel sick. I'm a pacifist at heart, and I feel that killing or maiming the other side to prove your point only proves that your point probably wasn't all that persuasive to begin with. But what do you do when the other side condemns you from the word 'GO,' and anything short of denying your own point, your identity, and your principles won't even convince them to begin talking with you on civil terms? It's sort of like really, truly realizing you're going to die one day. Everyone knows there are people, a very large an influential number of them, that just don't listen to facts. You go about your daily life knowing this but never contemplating it. But then you sit down and fully grasp the gravity of that situation, and it's positively daunting. HIV doesn't cause AIDS Gender has absolutely nothing to do with biology GMO's are wholly bad and unfit for human consumption Windmills will cause weather to stop on Earth If a woman REALLY didn't enjoy the rape, her body will just abort the baby on its own Vaccines are a pharmaceutical conspiracy 2 + 2 = 5 There will always be crazy, stupid, and wrong ideas. But there's always enough people holding them that people with these ideas will end up in power in some fashion, and make decisions that affect all of us, AND YOU CAN'T FUCKING STOP THEM. And it's been eating me up since the beginning of this week. It's the only thing I can think about when I wake up in the morning straight through to when I go to bed at night. I wish there was a way to ease my mind on this, but with the election coming up this issue is just going to fester more and more. I compared Trump and Hillary to the Beast and the Smiler from Transmetropolitan, respectively, and I honestly wish that was less true. Those of you who have read it will know exactly what I'm talking about. I think I've gone on long enough. At the very least, I needed to get all this off my chest. Maybe I could get advice on a diversion so intense to make me forget about it? Or, less likely tips, on becoming a one-man government and society reforming machine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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