vote Election Megathread 2016

[kazooie]

58 minutes ago, Gamedog said:

You just said he was going to do away with anti desc laws

gay marriage and abortion was earlier in thread 

what, no, i said that the republican national platform pledged to. the discussion was whether trump was anti-gay, not whether he was actually capable of going through with his pledges.

 

also, i am beginning to suspect that gamedog did not read the republican platform before voting republican

 

e: oh ok, gamedog isn't actually USian

[kazooie]

also, electing trump means that there's a very slim chance (as opposed to nil with shillary) that gay marriage could get revoked, if enough supreme court justices (up to 3) get replaced (i mean, the vote last time was pretty close: 5-4 or something, right?)

 

those liberal justices are going to have to try really hard to not die over the next 4-8 years

 

e: thinking about it, its kind if incredible that the basic human rights of millions of people could (again, in an improbable circumstance) depend on the prolonging of the lives of two 80 year olds

[Gamedog]

Holy cow why are American so determined to terrify themselves all the time 

[Chrysocyon]

America really fucked up, should have just elected Cheeseburger Freedom Man.

[Crazy Lee]

13 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

JFK also had a lot of authority, but once he stepped on too many important toes...

I actually have no idea what this references.

8 hours ago, DrGravitas said:

It wouldn't fix anything. The age of the heroic individual is over. Has been for decades, a century even. You don't vote for a person, you vote for a symbol; a system. You vote in an administration of people, centered around an authority who negotiations and organizes it. Kill Trump and his replacement will still follow a similar path, with minor variability. It's a stable, robust system that gives you one big chance to influence its overall course. Influence now will have to go through the hard way.

And if you kill trump you get Pence. Good luck with that.

[WileyWarWeasel]

5 hours ago, Crazy Lee said:

I actually have no idea what this references.

I'm talking about the enemies that JFK made in high places when he:

-refused US naval/air support for anti-Communist Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs

-removed CIA Director Allen Dulles, Deputy Director General Charles Cabell and Deputy Director of Plans Richard Bissell and said he would "splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."

-after the Cuban missile crisis abandoned the anti-Castro movement and promised to respect Cuba's sovereignty. This pissed off all involved with the anti-Castro movement including the Mafia who had benefited immensely when Batiste was in power. Unsurprisingly his actions during the crisis created more critics in the military as well.

-he encouraged the civil rights movement, going so far as to support a bill that would guarantee the right to vote and access to all public accommodations for every citizen, regardless of color

 

He also did a bunch more stuff to make powerful enemies but you get the idea.

[Zaraphayx]

If liberals are so smart then why do they destroy their own cities in petulant outrage? lmao

[kazooie]

5 hours ago, Zaraphayx said:

If liberals are so smart then why do they destroy their own cities in petulant outrage? lmao

i think our furriends at the "Fair Fox" ( ;3 ) have your answer

 

[Zaraphayx]

1 hour ago, kazooie said:

i think our furriends at the "Fair Fox" ( ;3 ) have your answer

 

Bunch of wimps, the lot of them.

[Dr. Doggo]

Someone sent me this, WTFing really hard right now, this is fucked up

[kazooie]

8 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

WTFing really hard right now, this is fucked up

thank god that woman didnt become our president........

really makes u think......................................

[willow]

19 hours ago, Gamedog said:

Holy cow why are American so determined to terrify themselves all the time 

pretty sure Kazooie isn't American 

[Zeke]

23 minutes ago, willow said:

pretty sure Kazooie isn't American 

he is from glorious Nippon (I think).

[Victor-933]

50 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

Someone sent me this, WTFing really hard right now, this is fucked up

And yet people still don't understand how Trump won.

Following the thread on /pol/; they've already found her FB and are trying to notify CPS.

[Cingal]

[Crazy Lee]

Oh aren't these great

Trump supporter calls for lynching of Obama and others....

Students chant "build a wall" in Royal Oak MI (Royal oak and the rest of Oakland county is the whitest and richest county in the Detroit area).

Racist graffiti being sprayed on buildings, cars...

People being attacked for being a minority, being against trump....

The racists are coming out of the woodwork.

Hmm, it's deer hunting season. I wonder if it could be racist hunting season too. I see people attacking minorities, I take them out. Would be a great way to cleanse this great nation.

2 hours ago, Cingal said:

Trump and his supporters implied that they wouldn't accept the results of the election if he lost.

The anti-trump supporters don't doubt the legitimacy of the election or the results. They're just not happy with it.

[Zaraphayx]

1 hour ago, Crazy Lee said:

Trump and his supporters implied that they wouldn't accept the results of the election if he lost.

The anti-trump supporters don't doubt the legitimacy of the election or the results. They're just not happy with it.

Not accepting the results of the election as legitimate =/= rioting in the streets.

The right in America doesn't riot because we build the cities you're destroying and have jobs to go to in the morning lmao

[Socketosis]

1 hour ago, Crazy Lee said:

Oh aren't these great

Trump supporter calls for lynching of Obama and others....

Students chant "build a wall" in Royal Oak MI (Royal oak and the rest of Oakland county is the whitest and richest county in the Detroit area).

Racist graffiti being sprayed on buildings, cars...

People being attacked for being a minority, being against trump....

The racists are coming out of the woodwork.

Hmm, it's deer hunting season. I wonder if it could be racist hunting season too. I see people attacking minorities, I take them out. Would be a great way to cleanse this great nation.

What about minorities attacking Trump supporters?

On 11/10/2016 at 11:18 AM, Cingal said:

Apologies for the lateness. I was at University.

 

Here is the full video. It seems the people carrying out the attack, or one of the bystanders uploaded it to dubbed anti-trump Rap music over it and uploaded it to facebook, seemingly to show off the fact they'd attacked a Trump supporter.

[Zeke]

1 minute ago, Socketosis said:

What about minorities attacking Trump supporters?

http://www.snopes.com/black-mob-beats-white-man-for-voting-trump

[Rukh Whitefang]

2 minutes ago, Zaraphayx said:

Not accepting the results of the election as legitimate =/= rioting in the streets.

The right in America doesn't riot because we build the cities you're destroying and have jobs to go to in the morning lmao

This is a very valid point. And brings up another interesting point. The areas that voted highest for Hillary are usually inner city. And usually poorer.Take MI for example, looking at the state electoral map http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/michigan/

You see a very telling picture. Most (not all) counties that polled higher for Clinton have a HUGE population of those living in poverty or near poverty. There seems to be a correlation here that poorer areas vote democrat (because handouts) and middle class areas vote republican. Its an oversimplification and isn't always the case but this tends to happen a lot.

Muskegon County has Muskegon Heights, the west side version of inner city Detroit. Kalamazoo County, the city of Kalamazoo has a crime problem disproportionate to its population. Wayne County, well that Detroit, which is one of the unsafest cities in the country.

[Socketosis]

4 minutes ago, Zeke said:

http://www.snopes.com/black-mob-beats-white-man-for-voting-trump

Lame. I don't understand the bystanders yelling about Trump though.

[Zeke]

38 minutes ago, Rukh Whitefang said:

This is a very valid point. And brings up another interesting point. The areas that voted highest for Hillary are usually inner city. And usually poorer.Take MI for example, looking at the state electoral map http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/michigan/

You see a very telling picture. Most (not all) counties that polled higher for Clinton have a HUGE population of those living in poverty or near poverty. There seems to be a correlation here that poorer areas vote democrat (because handouts) and middle class areas vote republican. Its an oversimplification and isn't always the case but this tends to happen a lot.

Muskegon County has Muskegon Heights, the west side version of inner city Detroit. Kalamazoo County, the city of Kalamazoo has a crime problem disproportionate to its population. Wayne County, well that Detroit, which is one of the unsafest cities in the country.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its actually a bit of half and half. Rural citizens are more likely to vote red because of the conditions of their state/area which are indeed poor. Most people who live in the midwest cannot actively move out unless they are either lucky, can make a lot of money via certain sales/trade jobs, scholarships from college, or join the military. Most of them were places that have a lot of industrial jobs that upped and left for china and they believe that most of those jobs, like making pencils, will return. Plus, Midwestern rural counties are too spread out for crime in comparison to a lot of denser cities like Chicago or Virginia beach. Plus, a lot of rural areas are also deeply religious, so they tend to lean with the party that respects their religious values. Usually, people who return to rural areas from the bigger cities vote blue, but they make up less than...5-10% 0f their area. maybe more, or less. So their reason for voting red is a populist view of things. Depending on who you ask, they believe that the DNC screwed their areas and the Republicans will help them return their state to the way it was before. 

 

As for voting blue, Middle-class whites and blacks tend to vote blue than poorer communities in cities. With Poorer communities, they are less likely to vote because either they are working too many jobs, no way to get out to their polling area, felons, or cynical.

Also to note, that cities are Gerrymander porn. 

As for denser cities voting blue. Yes, poorer people are more likely to vote blue in those areas the same as a person voting red in a denser populated city. However, middle class in those areas will also vote blue just as they are more likely to vote red. It can also vary with economic situations as well as education.

 

tl;Dr: Correlation =/= causation

 

32 minutes ago, Socketosis said:

Lame. I don't understand the bystanders yelling about Trump though.

Neither do I, but ti's abhorrent either way.

[Gamedog]

6 hours ago, willow said:

pretty sure Kazooie isn't American 

Is my statement incorrect?

 

american college students are hiding in safe spaces and being handed play doh right now

 

[Toshabi]

 

[Yarra]

[MalletFace]

33 minutes ago, Rukh Whitefang said:

This is a very valid point. And brings up another interesting point. The areas that voted highest for Hillary are usually inner city. And usually poorer.Take MI for example, looking at the state electoral map http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/michigan/

You see a very telling picture. Most (not all) counties that polled higher for Clinton have a HUGE population of those living in poverty or near poverty. There seems to be a correlation here that poorer areas vote democrat (because handouts) and middle class areas vote republican. Its an oversimplification and isn't always the case but this tends to happen a lot.

48 counties that voted for Trump have a lower per capita income than the poorest county that voted for Clinton.

Of the 58 counties in Michigan that have a poverty rate higher than the national average, 51 voted for trump. 16 out of 20 of the counties with the highest poverty rates in Michigan voted for Trump. 8 out of 10 of the counties with the highest poverty rates in Michigan voted for Trump. The 3 counties with the highest poverty rates in the state voted for Trump.

More of those in poverty across the whole of the state, as it is, are likely to have voted for Trump over Clinton. It looks like poverty is an indication that one would vote Trump, rather than Clinton, in Michigan. It is also likely that more of those in poverty voted for Republican House representatives, too, based on which districts did.

I might rethink the idea that those in poverty desire handouts and the idea that they will vote democrat to get those handouts based on this knowledge. Apparently those in poverty don't vote democrat in this case; they vote Republican.

Interestingly enough, of the 10 counties in Michigan with the highest poverty rates, the 8 that voted for Trump had an African American population of 11% or less, and both of the ones that voted for Clinton had African Americans make up more than 11% of their population. 5 of the 10 most poverty-ridden counties that voted for Trump had African Americans make up 1% or less of their population.

[Hux]

41 minutes ago, MalletFace said:

Stuff.

"Deplorable" white trash here.

I want a job that could pay the bills, not welfare that barely keeps me alive. I wouldn't want to waste my life living in a section 8 apartment, living off of food stamps and being socially isolated. My life would improve much more if I could have a nice factory job. I could even afford to go to community college after a while and I'd have so many more opportunities.

I didn't even vote because I didn't care enough about Trump or Hillary to do so, but I would've taken Bernie or Trump well before Hillary. This is coming from an ex-Bernie supporter.

Another Clinton presidency would mean nothing more than continued stagnation for people on the bottom.

I hope NAFTA gets BTFO so my chances of escaping poverty can skyrocket.

In case anybody wonders why poor people might want Trump over Hillary.

I wish Bernie would've made it though.

[Another Ampers&]

3 hours ago, Socketosis said:

Lame. I don't understand the bystanders yelling about Trump though.

My best guess is:

Dude hit her car, she and her friends were inside and he was alone in his. One or more of them got out to talk to him, swap insurance, w/e, he decided that blaming him for the accident was unfair, the tension of the argument slowly built, and while angry he said something really gross and racist while mentioning he voted for trump. We have no quotations but we can assume from how sure they are in his vote that he mentioned (if there's no bumpersticker on the car lmao)

It's very likely that both parties felt like the other was responsible for the crash, and that that was the root of an argument that developed into what's seen on the video

I can see this man saying something shitty about trump "dealing with all the N*****s" thinking that he would be safe to say so from inside his car, perhaps even thinking that these people wouldn't attack him for it given how visibly old he is. It would be very brave but when people are angry like that they tend to not think so much about what they say

Anyway I think it's very safe to assume that he said SOMETHING derogatory that included mention of trump support, given their reaction, and their surety in the video that he voted trump (especially since they evidently felt justified enough in this attack to film it)

[Gamedog]

I love victim blaming people I dont like

[WileyWarWeasel]

1 hour ago, Hux said:

"Deplorable" white trash here.

I want a job that could pay the bills, not welfare that barely keeps me alive. I wouldn't want to waste my life living in a section 8 apartment, living off of food stamps and being socially isolated. My life would improve much more if I could have a nice factory job. I could even afford to go to community college after a while and I'd have so many more opportunities.

I didn't even vote because I didn't care enough about Trump or Hillary to do so, but I would've taken Bernie or Trump well before Hillary. This is coming from an ex-Bernie supporter.

Another Clinton presidency would mean nothing more than continued stagnation for people on the bottom.

I hope NAFTA gets BTFO so my chances of escaping poverty can skyrocket.

In case anybody wonders why poor people might want Trump over Hillary.

I wish Bernie would've made it though.

An interesting insight into the mind of so-called "white trash".

 

Since videos are all the rage here's one somewhat related to all this (skip to 40 seconds)

 

[Falaffel]

ITT people are fighting over which side of voters are more horrible.

You're all still horrible.

[Osrik]

1 hour ago, Hux said:

"Deplorable" white trash here.

I want a job that could pay the bills, not welfare that barely keeps me alive. I wouldn't want to waste my life living in a section 8 apartment, living off of food stamps and being socially isolated. My life would improve much more if I could have a nice factory job. I could even afford to go to community college after a while and I'd have so many more opportunities.

I didn't even vote because I didn't care enough about Trump or Hillary to do so, but I would've taken Bernie or Trump well before Hillary. This is coming from an ex-Bernie supporter.

Another Clinton presidency would mean nothing more than continued stagnation for people on the bottom.

I hope NAFTA gets BTFO so my chances of escaping poverty can skyrocket.

In case anybody wonders why poor people might want Trump over Hillary.

I wish Bernie would've made it though.

I appreciate you giving honest insight into your thinking, I expect that this was the motivation behind the majority of Trump's support, rather than his more insane pledges (I know I have seen a lot of interviews with trump voters who said they are convinced he would drop the idea of the wall and other extremist pledges once he won).

I think a lot of us wish that Bernie had made it. Even though he likely wouldn't have been able to accomplish every part of his ambitious program, he still certainly would have shaken things up in Washington big time, without stirring up the racism and hate that Trump's campaign did. I also think he would have had a much higher chance of creating positive change, given Trump's tendency to lie and flip-flop on many issues, as well as the extreme vagueness of his pledges to create jobs.

[Gamedog]

"Trump's tendency to lie and flip-flop on many issues"

didnt obama say hillary will talk a lot but do fuck all, and then kissed her ass?

didnt bernie talk shit about her and then bent over backwards for her?

 

lmao.

obama and the other dems were boastful in believing they knew waht americans wanted

they were wrong and all their showing off got them nowhere. eople are sick of shit

 

also for americans wanting to go to canada: there is immigrant process that takes years

[WileyWarWeasel]

18 minutes ago, Osrik said:

I also think he would have had a much higher chance of creating positive change, given Trump's tendency to lie and flip-flop on many issues, as well as the extreme vagueness of his pledges to create jobs.

He means undertaker jobs :V

[Zeke]

31 minutes ago, Falaffel said:

ITT people are fighting over which side of voters are more horrible.

You're all still horrible.

 

 

 

spoiler ALERT: People want what's best for both themselves and the country. Philosophy and polarizing ideas aside, I voted for Sweet meteor 'o death. The ballot questions were more important

[Troj]

I'm now having to hold my forehead to process the sheer number of accounts of people on both sides being weird, wacky, and deplorable, because of course people on both sides have hit the gas pedal on exaggerating or even outright fabricating stuff to make themselves look good and their opponents look evil.

So, I'm in the awkward and delicate position of having to validate and empathize with people's legitimate fears, while also trying to gently ease them away from being too hysterical, panicked, or in despair, and also trying not to lend energy or support to any false narratives, rumors, or speculation threads. 

I'm irked by the people with minimal skin in the game who are treating this like a sports outcome, and who are smug and contemptuous towards people who see it as much more than that. ("If it's not a problem for me, it must not be a problem! Ergo, it must be those whiny Millennial crybabies again!")

I'm irked by the young people who mostly seem to be upset about not getting their way.

Also irked at the hypocrites who have conveniently forgotten when people on their side have protested elections, dissed the president-elect, or indulged in doom-and-gloom prognostication. I don't think anybody gets to claim moral dry ground here.

I'm definitely pissed with the people who either didn't vote or who voted cavalierly, and have now decided they don't like the outcome of the election, and want to protest it.

I also wonder how many people will ultimately regret unfriending and blocking people, or issuing mass "unfriend me now" missives. I can empathize with the emotion for sure, but I wonder how that hardline stance will pan out in the long term.

 

[Gamedog]

I think the people who are treating this like the Worst Thing Ever are millenial democrats who haven't lived outside of safe spaces and so should not be taken seriously

 

in other news, I as a Muslim black gay trans woman was literally murdered by white hillbilly rednecks in a pickup truck flying the confederate flag, the second I stepped foot outside my yard

 

they said something like "trump hates you people and therefore it's okay to murder you"?????

 

before killing me they RIPPED OFF my hijab!

[Guest]

I think people who comment on affairs outside of their country with an almost laughable grasp of what genuine people are genuinely concerned about should go back to doing whatever non-american rednecks do. I'm not sure if a sister is involved, but hey, I respect other people's cultures. 

[Another Ampers&]

4 minutes ago, Lemon said:

I think people who comment on affairs outside of their country with an almost laughable grasp of what genuine people are genuinely concerned about should go back to doing whatever non-american rednecks do. I'm not sure if a sister is involved, but hey, I respect other people's cultures. 

lemon I'm sorry I gotta say this but... retaliating against someone who starts shit... is blaming the victim....

[Osrik]

47 minutes ago, Gamedog said:

"Trump's tendency to lie and flip-flop on many issues"

didnt obama say hillary will talk a lot but do fuck all, and then kissed her ass?

didnt bernie talk shit about her and then bent over backwards for her?

 

lmao.

obama and the other dems were boastful in believing they knew waht americans wanted

they were wrong and all their showing off got them nowhere. eople are sick of shit

 

also for americans wanting to go to canada: there is immigrant process that takes years

Okay... none of that has significant relevance to what I said, or change the fact that Trump is a massive liar...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Also, why are you so invested in this anyway? Don't you live in Canada?

[Another Ampers&]

4 minutes ago, Osrik said:

Okay... none of that has significant relevance to what I said, or change the fact that Trump is a massive liar...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Also, why are you so invested in this anyway? Don't you live in Canada?

He's invested because he's noticed all the ppl on this forum and elsewhere who feel personally put in danger by the election. He wants to downplay the severity of it because he's afraid that complacency w/ systems of oppression won't be cool anymore and he might have to start caring

[Falaffel]

14 minutes ago, Osrik said:

Okay... none of that has significant relevance to what I said, or change the fact that Trump is a massive liar...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Also, why are you so invested in this anyway? Don't you live in Canada?

The guy has a giant boner for the American south, our military, and just America in general. Of course he'll want to feel included with us. Treat him like a child. Pat his head, accept that he's here, and pretend you care while you talk with the rest of the adults.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Falaffel said:

The guy has a giant boner for the American south, our military, and just America in general. Of course he'll want to feel included with us. Treat him like a child. Pat his head, accept that he's here and pretend you care while you talk with the rest of the adults.

While simultaneously forgetting his gay ass would be a target anywhere south of fuckin kentucky

[Falaffel]

Just now, Lemon said:

While simultaneously forgetting his gay ass would be a target anywhere south of fuckin kentucky

Hey now, maybe he's into that.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Another Ampers& said:

lemon I'm sorry I gotta say this but... retaliating against someone who starts shit... is blaming the victim....

I'm not following you here, buddy. I'm tired of clayton's fetishistic approach to demonizing "filthy democrats" when, to put it bluntly, he's got the grasp of it with the same finesse of about a four year old and the concepts of marxism. 

[Xaende]

1 hour ago, Gamedog said:

also for americans wanting to go to canada: there is immigrant process that takes years

Canada has an immigration process? How racist!

I hope they recognize the irony.

 

The real winner of this election:

 

[Another Ampers&]

Just now, Lemon said:

I'm not following you here, buddy. I'm tired of clayton's fetishistic approach to demonizing "filthy democrats" when, to put it bluntly, he's got the grasp of it with the same finesse of about a four year old and the concepts of marxism. 

actually clayton is the real victim here because you're saying a mean thing but also here's 50 images of woc crying captioned "democrat tears"

[Endless/Nameless]

[Hux]

59 minutes ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

He means undertaker jobs :V

Now that I think of it, I wish Hillary would've won. I could pay a secondary education by working for the military industrial complex.

Globalists sure do love their wars.

[Guest]

Just now, Another Ampers& said:

actually clayton is the real victim here because you're saying a mean thing but also here's 50 images of woc crying captioned "democrat tears"

My ability to care about hurting his tears is next to none after the childish gloating us mods have had to slog through for the last four excruciating days.