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I don't know if this is really a thing or not, but I've noticed that a lot of people in our forum community seem to resent most of the furry fandom and being a furry in general. Now, I'm not being defensive because I can clearly see why people would dislike most of the fandom, but sometimes it seems that people take all the bad things about it and conclude that they resent the fandom as a whole because of it. Again, before someone accuses me of ignoring the problems or something, that's not what I'm trying to do. I dunno, it just seems like a self confidence thing to me. I only say that because I often feel the same way in some instances with certain fandoms. Like when I see Queen fans being talked bad about and being said as terrible I think "Oh, they probably think I'm like that too". Again though I can't be sure that it's that way. I dunno, what do you guys think?

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pheonix forums, and its predecessor, FAF, has a proud history of having an edgier, hipster-er userbase

but, for the most part furries are fine + weird + hilarious

as long as you maintain some semblance of self-awareness, you'll be fine

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If I were to take a guess, I'd say it's that fact that, when we are exposed to something furry related in general, it's usually something of a negative nature. In turn, it has shaped our minds into thinking negative things about the fandom. 

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It's not so much that people hate furries in a literal sense, but just greatly dislike the mainstream furry culture

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FAF 1.0, and by extension Phoenixed (as it's most of the same people) have always carried a largely anti-furry mentality.

But we have an entire section devoted to the fandom, and came from from a fandom-specific site, so obviously there is some positive interest here.
The community has also just been less tolerant overall of the more unfavorable and annoying parts of the fandom. Which I think is a good thing. It gives the people who don't like the annoyances of the fandom a place to go and... not be annoyed by the fandom. (Bitching about external issues aside.)

Different spaces suit different needs.
There are plenty that appeal to the murrpurr crowd. This just isn't really one of them.

Also people are not required to like anything. You can dislike furries. You can dislike Star Wars fans. You can dislike people wearing the color red.
The only time it becomes issue is when you use that basis to attack or try to impact the lives of other people.
If you feel targeted just because someone doesn't like a general category of interest that you happen to share, that's a fault of your own insecurities. It's not really their responsibility.

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I try to be generally positive while also remaining realistic and intellectually honest. I think the fandom is awesome overall, but it also has some obvious problems, as well as its share of obnoxious, stupid, immature, drama-mongering, and sometimes, downright-toxic people.

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There are many good sides in furry fandom which one should cherish or at the very least accept as a fact but you cannot deny there are bad sides of it too. Hence there are moments when I resent the fandom but there are also the moments when I am glad I found out something I like, like that gallery of pictures or boop the snoot game (I love wordplay!). I think a healthy balance of both resentment, tolerance and embracement is what makes a great community. 

Without resentment you end up in blind echo chambers, aka murry purry hug boxes in furry fandom (which I resent). Without tolerance you cannot bear to see people who have differing opinions and if there's no embracement then what the hell is the point of having this forum mainly for furries? (Side note to new memebers: Non-furries are welcome). 

I embrace them all. Including resentment because you see some fucked up shit in furry fandom, even by browsing some threads in this forum, particularly certain red lantern threads. 

Or if some fucked up shit happens outside of fandom, then I do feel a little bit insecure about myself and my liking if people and the media gives other people a negative picture about our fandom and if that happens often enough, we'll be conditioned to believe we are only viewed negatively (hence why I like reading positive stories about fandom IRL) 

11 hours ago, Shiro said:

If I were to take a guess, I'd say it's that fact that, when we are exposed to something furry related in general, it's usually something of a negative nature. In turn, it has shaped our minds into thinking negative things about the fandom. 

Moreover, I don't like the idea of being generalized because I am categorized as being furry, thus being like every other stereotypical furry, who, ahem, are not viewed in a very positive light because of the kind of people this fandom tends to attract. 

Yes, I could just ignore the ignorance and misconceptions (note; not necessarily negative misconceptions) of the people about us because as Vae said, it's not my responsibility to educate the people but I still find these views bothering. Yes,  I do give a fuck, thats my personality. 

I think I've rambled enough now. 

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15 minutes ago, Snagged said:

There are many good sides in furry fandom which one should cherish or at the very least accept as a fact but you cannot deny there are bad sides of it too. Hence there are moments when I resent the fandom but there are also the moments when I am glad I found out something I like, like that gallery of pictures or boop the snoot game (I love wordplay!). I think a healthy balance of both resentment, tolerance and embracement is what makes a great community. 

Without resentment you end up in blind echo chambers, aka murry purry hug boxes in furry fandom (which I resent). Without tolerance you cannot bear to see people who have differing opinions and if there's no embracement then what the hell is the point of having this forum mainly for furries? (Side note to new memebers: Non-furries are welcome). 

I embrace them all. Including resentment because you see some fucked up shit in furry fandom, even by browsing some threads in this forum, particularly certain red lantern threads. 

Or if some fucked up shit happens outside of fandom, then I do feel a little bit insecure about myself and my liking if people and the media gives other people a negative picture about our fandom and if that happens often enough, we'll be conditioned to believe we are only viewed negatively (hence why I like reading positive stories about fandom IRL) 

Moreover, I don't like the idea of being generalized because I am categorized as being furry, thus being like every other stereotypical furry, who, ahem, are not viewed in a very positive light because of the kind of people this fandom tends to attract. 

Yes, I could just ignore the ignorance and misconceptions (note; not necessarily negative misconceptions) of the people about us because as Vae said, it's not my responsibility to educate the people but I still find these views bothering. Yes,  I do give a fuck, thats my personality. 

I think I've rambled enough now. 

That's the problem though, a good amount of people would rather listen to media outlets than actually gain knowledge on a subject by researching it. This is why I mention that the fandom generally has a negative view, because the bad side is all that most people outside the fandom know. I used to be more involved, but over the years, I've distanced myself more and more for various reasons. 

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17 minutes ago, Snagged said:

 if there's no embracement then what the hell is the point of having this forum mainly for furries? (Side note to new memebers: Non-furries are welcome).

It's not mainly "for" furries.
It's a place for the old FAF crowd to go, and whoever else wants to come here.

People who don't share the fandom's interests shouldn't feel like they're "extras" who are "tolerated" here.
There's no reason why furry should be a core component in them participating here. We have plenty of other, unrelated shit to talk about on the site.

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3 minutes ago, Vae said:

 We have plenty of other, unrelated shit to talk about on the site.

Duh, of course because we are humans too. Being a furry in my opinion is sort of a hobby/liking most of us share, which is emboldened by entire forum section dedicated to talking about it but it's not something that is the only thing here to talk about. 

Also, sorry if you or anyone else interpret my words of being non-furry as being some extra weight, which even in my opinion is contemptuous. 

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2 minutes ago, Snagged said:

Duh, of course because we are humans too. Being a furry in my opinion is sort of a hobby/liking most of us share, which is emboldened by entire forum section dedicated to talking about it but it's not something that is the only thing here to talk about.

It's not just because we are "humans too." It's because furry is not nor should feel like a necessary interest to appreciate the site.
Having a high concentration of interest does not an intention make.

The site is for whoever gets along with the userbase and wants to be here.

Hell, there were non-furries on Ye Olde FAF too.

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1 hour ago, Vae said:

It's because furry is not nor should feel like a necessary interest to appreciate the site.

Did I seriously imply that is a requirement or do we have a misunderstanding again? 

1 hour ago, Vae said:

Having a high concentration of interest does not an intention make.

I think you're missing a word here so it's difficult for me to understand what you're trying to say here

1 hour ago, Vae said:

The site is for whoever gets along with the userbase and wants to be here.

It's a good idea and I agree with it. I just said that because most original members of this site flocked from FAF to Phoenix, this forum was created with the thought in mind "oh hey, we are expecting a large influx of furries coming here from elsewhere" but like you said, it is not a requirement to be part of the fandom to join here, and that is okay. It is in fact the best option because we (or at least I wouldn't if I created thisnplace) don't want to advertise ourselves as the murry purry site to diehard fans. 

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11 minutes ago, Snagged said:

Did I seriously imply that is a requirement or do we have a misunderstanding again? 

I think you're missing a word here so it's difficult for me to understand what you're trying to say here

It's a good idea and I agree with it. I just said that because most original members of this site flocked from FAF to Phoenix, this forum was created with the thought in mind "oh hey, we are expecting a large influx of furries coming here from elsewhere" but like you said, it is not a requirement to be part of the fandom to join here, and that is okay. It is in fact the best option because we (or at least I wouldn't if I created thisnplace) don't want to advertise ourselves as the murry purry site to diehard fans. 

"For" implies a belonging to.
I'm saying that the forum does not "belong to" the fandom. Afaik, the idea wasn't "here's a place for furries," it was "here's a place for the FAF refugees."

There's a reason we haven't advertised this place as "a furry site" with furry motifs.
And it's not just to offset the murrpurr crowd.
The site doesn't need to be "for" furries. It should be "for" whoever meshes well with the community and enjoys being here, their specialized nerd interests aside.

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As a rule of thumb, all furries people are terrible.

That being said, being able to admittedly naively believe everyone has good in them is so much nicer.

 

 

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It's less anti-furry and more anti moral degeneracy/conspicuous hedonism.

Compared to FAF Phoenixed is drastically less hostile to "furry" behavior.

On FAF you couldn't go a week without a rant thread about sexual expression in the fandom that bordered on puritanical; on Phoenixed we have a pornography subforum where people discuss their masturbatory habits candidly.

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Furry certainly has an image problem.  The few non-furries I've told about my unusual preferences I've gone out of my way to reassure them that I'm not one of "those furries".  This may not really be fair though because most of the actual furries I've meet seem pretty normal.  Maybe we are guilty of perpetuating our own stereotype.  

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I for one is a proud furry. Some people are just too self hating for a variety of reasons mostly related to family expectations IMO.

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49 minutes ago, Elektranine said:

Some people are just too self hating for a variety of reasons mostly related to family expectations IMO.

If you equate furry nerdo interests with the whole of "being yourself" and conversely "hating yourself",
you kind of have all the personality depth of a sheet of paper.

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Furries are good at keeping the pharmaceutical companies afloat, with all their complexes. We should get good press from Pfizer and Roche, maybe they can make an antidepressant ad, featuring happy, bouncy  fur-suiters.

That would sure sell some pills to the general public :P

 

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On ‎11‎-‎4‎-‎2017 at 7:32 AM, Aeon said:
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We're a group (some call us a subculture) of people who get off by dressing up in animal costumes, then we have crazy furry fun lovin' time! (Yes, my panda suit is crotchless, please make sure your suit is too!)

the cringe! my lord...

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i have an unending hatred for all things and most release doses of it at things most relevant to me in the moment

because I'm a massive furfag, furries are usually what's closest

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8 hours ago, Vae said:

If you equate furry nerdo interests with the whole of "being yourself" and conversely "hating yourself",
you kind of have all the personality depth of a sheet of paper.

Now a quick glance at Elektranine's profile and other posts here reveals that they seem to possess more of a personality than "hurr durr i be a fur". Now forgive me if i'm wrong but it strikes me that you don't really know this person and have made a snap judgement of them based on one thing they've said from an assumed position of superiority. If i'm wrong, call me a twat for it, no fucks given. But, you're a mod here, and i would hope given your role that that frankly you wouldn't do something so stupid. It's potentially needlessly dismissive and only serves to alienate new members whether you're right or wrong. If someone doesn't fit in with this community so be it but it's not your job to shit on people for being themselves if they're not being harmful to the community. I'm only saying this because your response to Elektranine came across as rather petty and snide and i would hope you're better than that. I also hope you're smart enough to realize that criticism of a person's actions isn't automatically a negative attack,  it can be constructive and ultimately helpful in the long run depending on its intent. I could go into the idea that someone could put a lot of stock in the fandom due to its state of general acceptance and thus use it as a means to initially explore who they are (it does attract a lot of young, anxious introverts after all), and as such someone pinning themselves as a proud furfag isn't necessarily a negative if they're still figuring out who they are or even just like the shit the fandom has to offer, but that's another topic. The point here is that your response doesn't come across as being a good dick, and given your position within this community it's certainly not good posting. Unless i'm talking out of my ass and making a fool of myself in which case fuck me, but it seemed like something worth saying. X3

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5 hours ago, [null] said:

Now a quick glance at Elektranine's profile and other posts here reveals that they seem to possess more of a personality than "hurr durr i be a fur". Now forgive me if i'm wrong but it strikes me that you don't really know this person and have made a snap judgement of them based on one thing they've said from an assumed position of superiority. If i'm wrong, call me a twat for it, no fucks given. But, you're a mod here, and i would hope given your role that that frankly you wouldn't do something so stupid. It's potentially needlessly dismissive and only serves to alienate new members whether you're right or wrong. If someone doesn't fit in with this community so be it but it's not your job to shit on people for being themselves if they're not being harmful to the community. I'm only saying this because your response to Elektranine came across as rather petty and snide and i would hope you're better than that. I also hope you're smart enough to realize that criticism of a person's actions isn't automatically a negative attack,  it can be constructive and ultimately helpful in the long run depending on its intent. I could go into the idea that someone could put a lot of stock in the fandom due to its state of general acceptance and thus use it as a means to initially explore who they are (it does attract a lot of young, anxious introverts after all), and as such someone pinning themselves as a proud furfag isn't necessarily a negative if they're still figuring out who they are or even just like the shit the fandom has to offer, but that's another topic. The point here is that your response doesn't come across as being a good dick, and given your position within this community it's certainly not good posting. Unless i'm talking out of my ass and making a fool of myself in which case fuck me, but it seemed like something worth saying. X3

I'm not doing investigative work into Elektrakanine's life, because it's irrelevant to this conversation.
He's irrelevant to this conversation.

"If you equate furry nerdo interests" is a condition.
If the condition is not met, then my statement does not apply.

The original implication that I've responded to here is that to hate furry is to hate yourself, ergo  yourself = furry.
Furry should not be equivalent to "yourself," which is the exact point I was criticizing.
Hating furry should also not be "hating yourself" by extension.


Your issues with whatever I'm doing on a staff level similarly have nothing to do with the thread topic, and are better suited to the Site Discussion section.

It might however shock you to know that I have a personality outside of being a mod. And I'm not gonna stop having a personality just because I'm a mod.
I'm here to make sure people don't break the rules, not sell you a service.

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Self degradation is a thing in most of the fanbases Ive been in: anime, furry, tumblr, homestuck, miscellaneous "fandoms". Sometimes Im at fault myself for making sarcastic jokes of hatred toward the things I love echoing someone who hates them, as if I were that person, and I make degradation humor as a way to be a little painfully aware of the cringe or dark sides of the things I like. A little dark humor always makes me feel better about something. I do not actually hold the belief that my fanbases as a whole are corrupt, but at its core are just people who like the same thing to varying degrees.

Im also aware that self degradation isnt always the best kind of humor, and can lead to a lot of confidence issues in some, and offense in others. It's something to tread carefully with, I suppose.

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Self-targeted humor is one of the easiest ways to signal that you aren't a massive egocentric douchebag; it's a tacit recognition that you understand that to some people your behavior, interests, or personality must appear ridiculous. I think most of the "lol furries" jokes made by other furries fall into this category. People who are actually self-hating stand way the fuck out like a sore thumb because it's often paired with a rancorous and overtly hostile attitude. e.g. Eversleep

P.S. basically I think you nerds are over-analyzing a lot of perfectly normal and harmless statements for reasons that have some very unfurrtunate implications one way or another.

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1 hour ago, Zaraphayx said:

unfurrtunate

Ew, what are you, gay furry trash? Disgusting!

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15 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

Ew, what are you, gay furry trash? Disgusting!

This but unironically.

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I'm gay furtrash that goes to cons, has a [almost] partial and engages in the furry community. What I HATE though are the people who enjoy it like me but then go the extra mile. Observe~

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1 minute ago, Toshabi said:

I'm gay furtrash that goes to cons, has a [almost] partial and engages in the furry community. What I HATE though are the people who enjoy it like me but then go the extra mile. Observe~

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7 minutes ago, Toshabi said:

I'm gay furtrash that goes to cons, has a [almost] partial and engages in the furry community. What I HATE though are the people who enjoy it like me but then go the extra mile. Observe~

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I cannot speak for the others, but I've had my ups and downs with the fandom regarding furries. Some of the furries I've met know how to operate their hobby/identity. Other furries that cannot makes me want to burn them alive in their fursuit.

As a whole with all the political discourse between Furries, I can't say I care too much as long as they aren't on my lawn.

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I dunno if I'm really good at conveying this.

Furry is just this large word that envelops many parts of it. Like if you say you like comic books it's a rather wide berth of subjects that can cover it. You may not like Superhero comics, but enjoy comics like Elfquest or some smaller aspect of it. You may only like that section of comics that involve fantasy, but not like science fiction. You might like just certain covers of people that work in the industry and only collect those items. You might like certain toys, or only collect items from certain comics because it crosses over to other media you like (say you like Star Trek). You may like it because you're actually just into cosplay.

Is there sexual activity or ideology that may come from those fandoms? Yes, but because most of the general public understands that "comic books" are a widely defined range (though in the US most will default to Superhero...but I digress), it's easier for them to grasp than the concept of "being a furry". Worse is that people who are most adamant about defining it often attribute it to lifestyle, than "I just like pictures of funny animals and enjoy the storytelling aspects they bring".and often turn it into some media circus.

It's like someone didn't bother to really say that using "furry" or calling someone a furry is just easier/shorthand for "person that just likes pics of anthropomorphic artwork and related items" so people are naturally hostile to being labeled "furry" due to incorrect definitions and ideology surrounding the term.

One doesn't assume an anime fan likes every aspect of anime, but one does assume a furry is a person that thinks of themselves as wolves, dress in silly costumes, while having passionate sex. The fact that sex is so ingrained in the culture, it's more often you see "clean furry artwork" as a label than just "furry artwork". One assumes "furry" is already going to have sexual content, where anime it may or may not have but more explicit artwork has "ecchi" or "hentai" labels, than just "clean anime".

The problem is people as they normally do jump to extremes on how to handle the definition. Those that want to remain "deviant/sexual" will still be loud about it, and those that want a "Clean image" come at a conflict.

I honestly don't know if there is a solution, but for my personal sanity, I divorced myself from using the term furry, until there is (a better solution). I just happen to like a large range of artwork, which furry artwork is one of those genre. To be honest, I see myself as illustrator first, than "furry artist" I see myself as appreciator of artwork, than just "furry artwork".

So I admittedly have a general animosity those that try to label what interests I have for their own personal self interests or gain. Having me in your "Ranks" doesn't make your reputation "better", or my friendship and relation to you should be irrelevant if I get the label. I'm the only one that really determines what level of enjoyment or involvement I am in a fandom.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Zeke said:

I cannot speak for the others, but I've had my ups and downs with the fandom regarding furries. Some of the furries I've met know how to operate their hobby/identity. Other furries that cannot makes me want to burn them alive in their fursuit.

As a whole with all the political discourse between Furries, I can't say I care too much as long as they aren't on my lawn.

I just had an extraordinarily probably unrealistic violently graphic scene play out in my head and that is suddenly the worst thing I could imagine happening to someone.

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Most people on Phoenixed have been around for a while. We came from FAF, which means we've seen the fandom in its most disgusting states

The reason a lot of us stick around is because of each other, not the fandom. It's true for me. The fandom is fun, but I don't get a thrilling buzz from it like once upon a time. It's easier to look on and laugh at the dumb bits.

A living example of this is how The Den is posted in so much less frequently than it was on FAF: We've already discussed all the weird questions and everything has just been done before.

Doesn't mean we don't like the fandom; we just don't need to live and breathe it every moment of our lives.

 

 

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My thoughts re: furries

Even when I was in my teens, I was brought into the fandom because I liked a boy in the fandom. I know, the most basic thing I gal can do, amiright? But through the years, even if I disengage, I still found myself liking a particular boy all through out, and that boy was a furry. That, with my not being able to have a job at 16, I started to draw furries, made a character, and so on. That particular boy is now my fiancé, and recently in the last few months he's been disinterested in furry. So I was able to fully take myself away as having a furry chara and doing furry comms, so now I just hang around only here and twitter for my friends who are furries. My characters are all monsters or humans and its nice to observe. 

I think the fandom, other than that, exhausts me. You've got folks who can't see past their own nose, people who feed off of drama, and then some. There's a lot of good in the fandom, such as charities and the like, and the fandom has even helped me, personally, but.. I can happily go the rest of my life never going to a fur con, or whatnot. A lot of people who are still super in the fandom seem to be younger than me, or haven't gone through a F.E.E. All I'm saying is that one day I might not just log back in. 

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12 hours ago, Lemon said:

A lot of people who are still super in the fandom seem to be younger than me, or haven't gone through a F.E.E.

I'm sorry, but can you spell out what a 'F.E.E.' is?  I tried Googling but while there's lots of abbreviations like that, none seemed to fit the context of your sentence.

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7 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

I'm sorry, but can you spell out what a 'F.E.E.' is?  I tried Googling but while there's lots of abbreviations like that, none seemed to fit the context of your sentence.

Oh, Sorry. Fandom Ending Event is what I call 'em. You go through an event that finally pisses you off enough you want to completely disengage/become cynical. I'd argue most folks here that still have manimal charas but are otherwise regular have gone though a FEE and stick around because friends. Folks who either haven't gone through a FEE or love the fandom enough that a FEE doesn't bother them are usually the most.. furry. Furcons and whole nine. 

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On 4/10/2017 at 9:56 PM, Vae said:

FAF 1.0, and by extension Phoenixed (as it's most of the same people) have always carried a largely anti-furry mentality.

But we have an entire section devoted to the fandom, and came from from a fandom-specific site, so obviously there is some positive interest here.
The community has also just been less tolerant overall of the more unfavorable and annoying parts of the fandom. Which I think is a good thing. It gives the people who don't like the annoyances of the fandom a place to go and... not be annoyed by the fandom. (Bitching about external issues aside.)

Different spaces suit different needs.
There are plenty that appeal to the murrpurr crowd. This just isn't really one of them.

Also people are not required to like anything. You can dislike furries. You can dislike Star Wars fans. You can dislike people wearing the color red.
The only time it becomes issue is when you use that basis to attack or try to impact the lives of other people.
If you feel targeted just because someone doesn't like a general category of interest that you happen to share, that's a fault of your own insecurities. It's not really their responsibility.

I actually totally agree with this sentiment and it's one of the things that made this community so alluring to me in the first place. The people could be really cynical and negative but they were also down-to-earth and I felt like I could have a real-ass conversation where if somebody was being a shitter then they'd actually get checked, hard. I love how accepting the fandom is, but when you get too far into that territory it becomes equally as unbearable as the opposite extreme.

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I think most people have a love/hate relationship with the fandom just like most people do with any fandom. An interest attracts all kinds of people into a fandom, including the gross ones. Personally, I really get up in arms about the furry community because of its tendency to overlook very problematic things because a person has a cute fursuit, makes good art, or is a popular DJ. Like, yeah this artist is into child porn, but have you seen the monster dongs they draw?? Like clearly that shit shouldn't fly, but somehow it does? I dunno. Sometimes I think the "tolerance" in the community is pointed the absolute wrong way because furries will tolerate and defend gross shit, but as as soon as say someone is a "sjw" they're a special snowflake and the whole "tolerance" thing goes out the window. Again, that's just been my experience.

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^^Well, and nobody knows how to actually assertively confront people for bad behavior, so you get a lot of ineffectual, drama-fueling gossip on social media that culminates in nothing.

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1 minute ago, Troj said:

^^Well, and nobody knows how to actually assertively confront people for bad behavior, so you get a lot of ineffectual, drama-fueling gossip on social media that culminates in nothing.

I mean, you don't have to confront anything, but you could, yanno, not support gross people. There are consequences to being gross, just take JonTron for example.

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Well, and to use a furry analogy, if JonTron shows up to your meet, your main choices are to: 1) Ignore him entirely, 2) Forgive him, and let bygones be bygones, 3) Be polite, but distant and non-committal, and/or 4) Tell him how his behavior has affected you and/or others, and then lay out the consequences and expectations in light of his behavior.

At a certain point, just gritting your teeth or quietly seething around someone becomes unsustainable and unproductive.

While it can feel cathartic, bitching about a person behind their back while refusing to do anything about what's bugging you isn't productive, either.

And, of course, acting like an Internet toughguy over social media typically just makes things worse.

 

 

 

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honestly, I'm not that anti furry. i just don't like the fact that we are so accepting of everything as a whole. I mean, tolerance is one thing. But when things like "lets yiff later" and the like that fills up the majority of your inbox, you can see there is a problem

that being said, I really could care less what people do. what happens in your bedroom is your thing, what happens in mine, is mine. but a lot of furries seem to be very open and even kinkswapping. and when you say you dislike something, even respectfully, you get crucified for it. which is my honest to nature reason for my somewhat negative and cynical opinion on furries and the community. on one hand, openness is a good thing. but there is such a thing as too much.

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For me, I've retreated more and more from the furry community over the years. It seems to just get worse over time instead of better. The clean art is interesting and intriguing, I like this forum, and my involvement ends there. 

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One thing I think is funny, is that people forget it's a hobby. People get genuinely upset about others quitting the fandom. I get that people don't need to hear grandstanding speeches about leaving... just leave. I get the general "fuck authority, I do what I want" appeal of drawing erotic artwork. But I've never seen more tools pop up asking "should I draw clean art/would you stop watching me if I did/i need to make a separate account" Like I thought you drew adult artwork because we ain't your mom/dad. Draw what you like.

Specifically in the art part of this I just got tired, it wasn't really the subject matter, as much as the sameness coming from it. It was like watching a CW show where everyone was in some kind of incestuous art relationship with each other and it all looked borrowed. Many people's pages were just advertisements and a real sense of enjoyment of what was "community" was lost. If you were part of the community it was more to get in for networking. Finding people that would hook you up or promote you. Granted it's the way to go if you're building a career and needing to get clients...but it felt so empty after a while. It was just obvious that it was a surface interest so you can get more likes. It felt cheap.

The time this site existed, after seeing the mess from before, sameness (the way people argued on the forums and such) started creeping in, so I just took a break and went on to do other things. So I'm "here" but I can just fade out again at any time.

 

 

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I'll admit it. I don't usually fly my furry flag around normies. Although I've never lied about being into anthropomorphic animals, the furry stereotypes are just too misleading to apply the 'furry' label to myself out of context. To those who know me well enough, I'm an amateur cartoonist and a science fiction/fantasy fan. It's true, and it allows me to live this part of my life without answering for others.

 

2 hours ago, QT Melon said:

Many people's pages were just advertisements and a real sense of enjoyment of what was "community" was lost.

This is a pet peeve of mine, and has lead me to unwatch or otherwise ignore a few artists. Their FA pages were full of commissions, with little to nothing drawn for themselves, and they treated me like a potential customer rather than a peer. Seriously, one even tried to get me to commission her, despite the fact that our art skills and styles were similar. I could see myself doing a trade, or maybe gift art for this person if I liked their OC well enough and I had the time... but I wouldn't buy art from them. I'm in this for fun. To be part of an imaginative DIY community built around a shared interest. Not to be treated like a customer or, worse yet, a competitor. I don't even accept commissions myself. What little drawing time I have is spent on my own projects. While there is a place for commissions (artists earn money, and it helps less artistically inclined fans get art of their characters), I'm more interested in mixing with the amateurs, professionals, and other fans who do this in their free time. The commercial/hierarchical/ interpretation of the fandom simply doesn't hold the same appeal.

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