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6 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

Is this not hilarious to anyone?

There was a pseudo-legal document made out to a "Deo Tas devil".

Furry drama, lmao

Well, I'm sure that the many attendees who pre-regged had no dog in the fight and just wanted to dork out at the convention, or the artists and dealers who lost a venue to sell their stuff aren't laughing...  But it's pretty clear that RMFC didn't care about those people in the first place or they would have tried to manage this much more effectively from the moment the Raiders started hoarding hotel rooms and taunting the fandom for it.

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27 minutes ago, Troj said:

I'd prefer to just focus on what makes for a healthy community of people, really, especially since the True Spirit of Furry is in the eye of the beholder.

Indeed. It is far less reaching to ask for people who can be responsible for holding together a con and making it happen (which in itself takes a bit of good leadership to make it happen successfully and consecutively) than to make some kind of movement to ask for "furry peace".

The reality is there's always going to be a group that's unhappy about something. You just do the best you can to accommodate as many as possible.

I don't pretend to have all the answers unfortunately, I'm just another spectator

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7 hours ago, Troj said:

Ah, not so fast.

If you look at 98% of the articles about RMFC's death this week, they namedrop--and in many cases, quote, and in a few cases, went out of their way to interview--the leader of the Raiders. Every article I've seen has mentioned the Raiders in some capacity.

Society spent two solid weeks debating the ethics of punching Nazis (and some people are still debating it). Nazis (and their close buddies, the alt-right) have been all over the news at least since the election.

If you're somebody who's happy to get attention any old way, and/or if you're the sort to get a weird kick out of people being so scared of you or so upset by you that they're willing to just walk up and randomly assault people like you in public, then identifying as alt-right and/or a Neo-Nazi is a one-way ticket to walking on a very fucked up form of sunshine for you.

I'd call that notoriety, rather than cachet. Sure they're getting attention, but in a negative sense. It's a stretch to say the Raiders or other neo-Nazis are widely admired or respected among furries, let alone among normies.

 

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5 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

Well, I'm sure that the many attendees who pre-regged had no dog in the fight and just wanted to dork out at the convention, or the artists and dealers who lost a venue to sell their stuff aren't laughing...  But it's pretty clear that RMFC didn't care about those people in the first place or they would have tried to manage this much more effectively from the moment the Raiders started hoarding hotel rooms and taunting the fandom for it.

Honestly, this also comes hand in hand with being self aware. I was supposed to go to RMFC this year to hang out with a few friends, but the moment the Furry Raiders controversy was brought up, my plans dropped immediately for it and relocated my con funds towards more on the bigger-little side of things (BLFC HARHARHAR). The moment you catch wind of con staff not doing shit about controversy or letting something like a malicious group hording hotel rooms and hanging it above people's heads, it should spring up some red flags. If they won't take care of the regular/general crowd, they most certainly won't take care of you. 

 

On the bright side, the community is pulling through for these artists and efforts are being made to promote the artists that lost their tables and who won't be getting any form of refund by RMFC. Despite all this, at least we still have our priorities in order on compensating those who will be hurt the most by all of this. 

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47 minutes ago, Toshabi said:

On the bright side, the community is pulling through for these artists and efforts are being made to promote the artists that lost their tables and who won't be getting any form of refund by RMFC. Despite all this, at least we still have our priorities in order on compensating those who will be hurt the most by all of this. 

The new 'Denver Fur Con' is certainly going to have a big handful to inherit in the area.

DFC: Hello, we have announced our venue and dates!  Everyone feel free to register!
Raiders: We cannot wait to bring our INCLUSIVE MESSAGE to DFC! :3 :3 :3 :3
Those That Oppose Raiders: WHAT ARE YOU GOING WITH THESE NAZIS WHO KILLED THE LAST CON!?
Raiders: WE'RE NOT NAZIS, WE BRING YOU REIGN OF ACCEPTANCE THAT WILL LAST 1000 YEARS, SIEG ACCEPTANCE!
Those That Oppose Raiders: LOOK THEY'RE DOING THEIR LITTLE 'WE'RE NAZIS BUT NOT' DANCE ALREADY!
DFC: ........Fuuuuuck...

Whoever is running DFC has to basically ASSUME the conflict lights right back up the moment there's a new venue for it and has to come up with a good plan in advance.  It's not a position that I'd envy.

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At least the new con's staff will be prepared if the FR tried the same thing.

On another note: We did have some local FR at a local ComicCon/Furcon hybrid doing the "heil" gesture when a Bat mitzvah had rented out a room during the same day. Some of the staff had to do appeasement just to make sure that the disruption didn't ruin the convention.

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http://furthemore.tumblr.com/post/159685107679/special-guest-added-boozybarrister-furmore17

Good news guys, the furry fandom has confirmed that the lawyer it kidnapped will be on display at Fur The More 2017.

I for one look forward to him explaining at a panel that 'No, your terms of service can not include the clause 'If I ever decide I dislike you, I get to cancel the contract, keep the money AND keep the fursuit/art'.  It would be unenforceable.'

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26 minutes ago, Troj said:

I was all excited until I realized when it's being held. Grrr. Hope he attends more than one con.

In all seriousness, considering the number of contracts for art and fursuits that go down in the fandom, as well as peoples 'closed species', 'adoptable', 'entire characters 'for sale', and general copyright/trademark topics, a 'Law' panel is something that would be benefit for the fandom.  Not just clarifying the law but clarifying what legal options one may have to respond to violations.

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57 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

http://furthemore.tumblr.com/post/159685107679/special-guest-added-boozybarrister-furmore17

Good news guys, the furry fandom has confirmed that the lawyer it kidnapped will be on display at Fur The More 2017.

I for one look forward to him explaining at a panel that 'No, your terms of service can not include the clause 'If I ever decide I dislike you, I get to cancel the contract, keep the money AND keep the fursuit/art'.  It would be unenforceable.'

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There are those who have met Boozy in person, and describe his appearance as a cross between Danny Devito and a hobbit.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, george99g said:

So, interesting stuff happened to Boozy.

First, his blog went down because the traffic was too much for his hosting plan. Then, he decided to make a Patreon to fund his blog's hosting. Four minutes later, it was successfully funded.

This person is the person this fandom needs and deserves.

My god, the amount of stars that had to align for this phenomenon to be the result of Nazis killing a furry con is unfathomable 

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2 hours ago, Zeke said:

Roflkek

However, it feels like I stepped into a 2006 vault of "Yiff in hell furfag" ae articles. Satire has to rake in on a bad joke.

just fyi clicking that link will likely get one put on a List

 

(the daily stormer is a satire website run by /pol/'s "ironic" frog neonazis for "ironic" frog neonazis)

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10 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

My god, the amount of stars that had to align for this phenomenon to be the result of Nazis killing a furry con is unfathomable 

I just shared this bit of news with my mom, and she sniffed, "It'd be better if he were doing something to actually help the world."

Yeah, Mom, because we're both clearly the love-children of Jonas Salk and Princess Diana.

My mom is someone who'd look at a unicorn and only be able to think about how she'll have to shovel its shit; bless her, love her.

Seriously though, the love the fandom is showing this guy and his gruff-but-clearly-flattered reaction to it all has been utterly adorable.

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Guys... Guys, guys guys.  He found the porn.

https://twitter.com/BoozyBarrister/status/854879467470237696

https://twitter.com/BoozyBarrister/status/854864090958888960

 

https://twitter.com/BoozyBarrister/status/854880914731655169

He found ALL of the porn.  Our lovable lawyer may go down a certain path and come out as 'Some furry who spent the rent money on porn commissions and pleads for money on Twitter before ordering his third Yiffsuit'.

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The amount that people are pushing the furry fandumb on this guy just because he happened to write a blog post about a circulating Twitter story makes me cringe on levels that are almost physically painful, I must say.
But leave it to furries to be like that teenager screaming "I THINK MY MOM AND DAD SHIP MY OTP" on Tumblr. I shouldn't expect much different.

At least he's taking it in stride.

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14 hours ago, Vae said:

At least he's taking it in stride.

I think that's why he's a "Boozy" you gotta take a few drinks to deal with the silly stuff.

2 hours ago, kazooie said:

ive been digging through neo nazi meetup threads, and ahahahaha

listen, these guys are just jokers, just pranksters. its all just harmless memes.

Huh? I mean I can barely understand what's being written....how seriously should we take a verbal diarrhea quote?

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6 minutes ago, QT Melon said:

Huh? I mean I can barely understand what's being written....how seriously should we take a verbal diarrhea quote?

It's an excerpt from a neo-nazi meetup forum. It's full of quotes like that. They appear to drop all irony and pretense once in a safe space outside of the public eye.

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I love how the Daily Stormer recently discovered the RMFC drama and absolutely recoiled at the very concept of furry Nazis.

I hope the Nazifurs take note of how their Original Recipe Nazi buddies literally want to gas them and curb-stomp them.

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28 minutes ago, Troj said:

I love how the Daily Stormer recently discovered the RMFC drama and absolutely recoiled at the very concept of furry Nazis.

I hope the Nazifurs take note of how their Original Recipe Nazi buddies literally want to gas them and curb-stomp them.

I'm pretty sure that article is satire - the altright really doesn't have as much beef with homosexuality as traditional neonazism did, and they tend to recruit heavily from nerd communities (Richard Spencer, for example, is a huge anime nerd). Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that website was responsible for grooming a whole buncha nazifurs.

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Yeah, I have no idea what's satire anymore, given the number of actual-assholes who'll backpedal and claim to be "just trolling," and the number of white supremacist and nationalist leaders who've basically copped to using memes and jokes to recruit new blood.

Still, I can't see white supremacists and their ilk having a lot of love for LGBT people who flounce around in bunny costumes, unless they see them as superficially useful in some way.

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6 hours ago, Troj said:

Yeah, I have no idea what's satire anymore, given the number of actual-assholes who'll backpedal and claim to be "just trolling," and the number of white supremacist and nationalist leaders who've basically copped to using memes and jokes to recruit new blood.

Still, I can't see white supremacists and their ilk having a lot of love for LGBT people who flounce around in bunny costumes, unless they see them as superficially useful in some way.

To be honest, what I'm seeing happening is people getting upset at one sides extremes and adopting/accepting the opposites said extremes insult as their identity. It becomes a "XD JUST JOKING/TROLLING THESE LOSERS XD" thing that turns into routine that turns into.... assimilation? Think "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".  Or something stupid like that.  Then again, furries are dumb as hell.

 

I personally believe the leader (Foxler) of the furry raiders is a bigot/white supremacist/racist, but for those that follow suit, I believe the majority were what I described: They did it for the lolz/edge and eventually adopted it. Kind of like how we got our current SJWs. In fact, I wanna say the terms SJW and Nazi lost their definition from how much the terms get abused.

And I honestly believe that supremacists can exist in this fandom because lets face it: A majority are in it for the furry cock.

 

Just my 2cents. Below is my 50 cent.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Troj said:

Still, I can't see white supremacists and their ilk having a lot of love for LGBT people who flounce around in bunny costumes, unless they see them as superficially useful in some way.

Again, traditional white supremacists would curbstomp LGBT types to the ground, but this is a different, more modern, and more "progressive" incarnation (most of them hate trans people though). Whether they find any particular fandom's members "useful" or not is irrelevant, because that's not how ideologies work - this isn't just one cabal, one circle of anime nerds plotting internet domination and glory for the white race. The white nationalist movement that's emerged on the internet is much, much bigger than that, and a ton of organizations have been born. Like, most members of these movements are not actually going to become armband-wearing, cross-burning, cartoon neo-nazis, but these groups that normalize racial hate create the perfect conditions for such people to emerge.

 

vvv Uncle Tom types are nothing new, unfortunately - it's a pretty bizarre phenomenon, though.

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8 hours ago, Toshabi said:

I personally believe the leader (Foxler) of the furry raiders is a bigot/white supremacist/racist, but for those that follow suit, I believe the majority were what I described: They did it for the lolz/edge and eventually adopted i

 
 

The fact that he's an Asian that sucks black cock makes the irony hilarious. Then again, sucking black dick or whatever doesn't make you any less of a racist.

A lot of the furries defending the raiders as a "Clean and Wholesome fun group" are either; a) in the group. b) have friends in the group, c) people who enjoy taking the piss out of while wearing mockup-nazi symbolism's cool/edgy/hip, d) only heard one perspective and see it as a bunch of SJWs attacking an "innocent" furry met and con, e) really HATES SJWs, f) Their degeneracy blackballs them from the alt-right but think that group's cool to house their political affiliations/ideas, g) Drama-mongers.

 

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1 hour ago, kazooie said:

Back when slavery was a thing, there were black people who advocated for the slavery of black people - after all, they had been taught that they were the inferior race, it was just common sense. Plus, having a minority or two in modern supremacist groups helps act as a beard.

The KKK started branching out to minorities that hate Muslims, illegals, and Jews as much as they do to and understand that they are aware "savage monkey" status makes them inferior until they can enlighten their racial brothers to stop  their deplorable actions and move out of the USA.

Either they're hurting for me membership dues or desperate to make themselves look less than a hate group.

 

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I'm not sure how I feel about the Boozy thing. I hope he isn't dealing with too many people bothering him in the wrong way, but at least he's probably making a killing. I would hate to suddenly be adored by a huge number of furries. That sounds awful.

11 hours ago, Toshabi said:

In fact, I wanna say the terms SJW and Nazi lost their definition from how much the terms get abused.

You'd be surprised about the Nazi part. It is very easy for many in the U.S. to fall within Nazi ideology. Anybody that does usually only differs in their belief of how strong a state should be.

Officially, the Nazis had a platform in the form of the 25 points with positions that would be pretty familiar to anybody familiar with U.S. politics. They supported a Germany for Germans, increased old-age security, freedom of religion, the belief in the need for a strong national army, the rights of small farmers and small business owners, equal rights for all citizens, opposition to the trend of growing liberal arts education, dismantling of complicated laws that benefit politicians and the rich, a defense of the middle class, the idea that every individual ought to do a job for the benefit of themselves and their people, strong punishments and no tolerance for crime, opposition to abortion access, limitations on the ability of 'foreign' individuals to benefit from the nation, for physical education and sports in schools, opposition to a lying and harmful media and culture, and the right of citizens to influence the government.

Unofficially, everything in the party and - eventually - the government was based on principles of what is loosely Social Darwinism. They had ideas which would again be familiar to anybody that knows anything about U.S. politics. The ideas that some people are born to lead while others are born to follow, that some kinds of people are predisposed to crime, that life is a competition and the best will succeed, that social efforts to help the worst-off harms humanity as a whole, that medical efforts to help the chronically ill - mostly mentally but also physically - harms humanity as a whole, that programs of eugenics could benefit humanity, that some peoples are inherently and by necessity inferior to others, and that society would not be possible without some number of people suffering for the benefit of the more capable and people of the future were common in Nazi Germany. 

The reason Nazi policy got so extreme and seems wild is because it wasn't all official; it was just the ultimate conclusion of beliefs and policies like those and a people that agreed with them with institutional means to act on them. A lot of groups in the U.S. right now look like the Nazi party before they gained those institutional means, even down to the common belief that most Nazis were just in it for the fun and that they would cause no real damage. I recall posting a newspaper article on here from before Nazi domination of German political power that suggested the Nazis were just a harmless fad of the students and a few old crazies that would be controlled by a moderate government.

Hindsight, in that case, is 20/20.

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Considering he's going to talk about Master and Slave contracts and why they aren't legally enforceable, he's already gone down a few rabbit holes.So he's probably one of the lawyers that likes going down very weird roads. 

 

I mean... https://twitter.com/BoozyBarrister/status/855416576543264768

 

It's basically his shtick no different than a local radio host Bill Handel that does marginal legal advice. You gotta be a bit entertaining and find stuff that's weird/unusual to work with. 

As far as furries go, I can't believe I'm defending this, it's really no different than other crowds that get infatuated with people "geeking" in on their fandom. I'm pretty sure he's intelligent enough to know there' some chill people in the community and there's some out there people. Either way it's going to give him something entertaining to blog about, and that earns monies.

 

 

 

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Where's Boozy from? I've been to Fur the 'More the past two years, and it's a very fun, well organized con. Unable to make it this year, and will be going to a new con in Philly in the same hotel AC started up in, later this year. 

I wonder if Boozy is from Baltimore. People sure drink a lot of booze here. And boozy better be sure to bring his own booze down from Maryland, 'cause in Virginia, they only have state stores: expensive, and few and far between.

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On 4/18/2017 at 0:19 PM, george99g said:

So, interesting stuff happened to Boozy.

First, his blog went down because the traffic was too much for his hosting plan. Then, he decided to make a Patreon to fund his blog's hosting. Four minutes later, it was successfully funded.

This person is the person this fandom needs and deserves.

Hey, quick note on this one:

You guys were the catalyst for me sticking up a donations link, but not the genesis.  About once a month a post on the site "goes big" for one reason or another, and it was starting to put a strain on the host. You guys finally tipped it over the edge it had been flirting with, and with the knowledge I'd need to upgrade the hosting plan I had the option of asking a few people to toss out a buck or two to help or starting to monetize the site.  I had been wrestling with that one for a while, but after it went down the other day I decided to go ahead and create a donation link.

Someone tipped me off to Patreon, and I like the way it's set up.  It lets me say "Hey, this is the monthly donation to fully fund the site, and I'll make up any difference out of pocket same as always." I thought it was cool, and like it better than the old "Here's my paypal, gimme money."  I was...really fuckin' amazed at the response on there, and am really grateful.

Just didn't want you guys thinking I'm in this sucker for a cash grab.  I'm really impressed with your community and how friendly all of you have been. It's a little overwhelming, but I'm getting into the groove again after a rough work week, and I have to say I've met more good than bad. Keep being you, guys.

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1 minute ago, BoozyB said:

Hey, quick note on this one:

You guys were the catalyst for me sticking up a donations link, but not the genesis.  About once a month a post on the site "goes big" for one reason or another, and it was starting to put a strain on the host. You guys finally tipped it over the edge it had been flirting with, and with the knowledge I'd need to upgrade the hosting plan I had the option of asking a few people to toss out a buck or two to help or starting to monetize the site.  I had been wrestling with that one for a while, but after it went down the other day I decided to go ahead and create a donation link.

Someone tipped me off to Patreon, and I like the way it's set up.  It lets me say "Hey, this is the monthly donation to fully fund the site, and I'll make up any difference out of pocket same as always." I thought it was cool, and like it better than the old "Here's my paypal, gimme money."  I was...really fuckin' amazed at the response on there, and am really grateful.

Just didn't want you guys thinking I'm in this sucker for a cash grab.  I'm really impressed with your community and how friendly all of you have been. It's a little overwhelming, but I'm getting into the groove again after a rough work week, and I have to say I've met more good than bad. Keep being you, guys.

OM G ITS U

HAHAHA AMAZING

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4 hours ago, MalletFace said:

I'm not sure how I feel about the Boozy thing. I hope he isn't dealing with too many people bothering him in the wrong way, but at least he's probably making a killing. I would hate to suddenly be adored by a huge number of furries. That sounds awful.

Quick Note:

I don't do the blog for money or fame...well, okay, some fame.

I really struggled with the idea of creating a Patreon, because the optics can be that I'm trying to take advantage of you guys. Not the case at all, I just haven't figured out how to monetize the site (and provide something other than the posts in return for it) without ads, which I really don't want to do.

I'm dealing with a lot of people, but other than some tweaks to my programming schedule and more time on the computer at night than normal, it hasn't had a huge impact yet. Let's see what happens after Furthemore and Anthrocon.

4 minutes ago, Lemon said:

OM G ITS U

HAHAHA AMAZING

Is it me, though?  Is it?

https://twitter.com/BoozyBarrister/status/855531639224578049

 

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5 minutes ago, BoozyB said:

Hey, quick note on this one:

You guys were the catalyst for me sticking up a donations link, but not the genesis.  About once a month a post on the site "goes big" for one reason or another, and it was starting to put a strain on the host. You guys finally tipped it over the edge it had been flirting with, and with the knowledge I'd need to upgrade the hosting plan I had the option of asking a few people to toss out a buck or two to help or starting to monetize the site.  I had been wrestling with that one for a while, but after it went down the other day I decided to go ahead and create a donation link.

Someone tipped me off to Patreon, and I like the way it's set up.  It lets me say "Hey, this is the monthly donation to fully fund the site, and I'll make up any difference out of pocket same as always." I thought it was cool, and like it better than the old "Here's my paypal, gimme money."  I was...really fuckin' amazed at the response on there, and am really grateful.

Just didn't want you guys thinking I'm in this sucker for a cash grab.  I'm really impressed with your community and how friendly all of you have been. It's a little overwhelming, but I'm getting into the groove again after a rough work week, and I have to say I've met more good than bad. Keep being you, guys.

Looking back at it, it really does sound like I suggested that you're doing this for the money.

I'm really sorry about my phrasing.

Also, welcome to Phoenixed!

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1 minute ago, george99g said:

Looking back at it, it really does sound like I suggested that you're doing this for the money.

I'm really sorry about my phrasing.

Also, welcome to Phoenixed!

Not at all!  I'm sensitive because before doing the Patreon I kept going "Ah shit, these guys are gonna think I'm making a grab for their wallets."

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll take your money. I just want you to feel like you're getting something in return.

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Just now, Battlechili said:

>lawyer visiting a niche furry forum

This is kinda neat. But also really weird.

You're pretty cool though

Hah!  I'm winding down the office for the week, and the site's stats show me where hits are coming from. I didn't recognize this referral link, so I clicked through and...here I am.

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