Aeon

The forums and the overall mood of the community.

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If we're going to move around and rearrange stuff, I'd say:

  1. R&R can be merged into Watercooler.
  2. Top Dead, Three Frags, Bits, and Tube can be merged into a general "interests" section.
  3. Lynx can be moved into either Forum Games or the aforementioned "interest" section if we make one.
  4. Take Red Lantern out of the Furry section. Put it in Community.
  5. Merge all the furry sections into the Den.
  6. Merge Palette Town, Writer's Bloc, Blue Note, and Tutorials into a general "post your art" section.

     

EDIT: Also about the site design: I think it looks fine.
But I like things super clean, and super black and white, and I use a custom theme and header anyway.

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7 hours ago, Pleasure said:

I'm new here, so I'll give you my opinion. First, I have no idea what this forum is about. Second, it looks like someone downloaded IP.Board and left it at the defaults. If the forum is about furry stuff, it's got nothing to show me that it is. Third, it's cluttered with a bazillion areas to visit, far more than there are active members. A hundred different subcategories that have no meaning to me because there's nothing to draw meaning from. If this forum were compared to something it would be compared to a hospital. All white on white and everyone walking around quietly so not to hurt patients.

Some art, some banners, heck something.. A message about what this place is about? Can't find any information that isn't tucked or buried under 15 different pin threads scattered about the entire place. Is this some kind of morgue? A retirement home for old dried up furry farts? Hard to tell.

OMG, this has to be the best post of the thread. I like you already! Curious to see the perspective of somebody new, as well. The hospital part was very accurate; I picture the one in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, along with Nurse Ratched. But yeah, it can feel like a home for dried up old furry farts, some have even managed to dry by age 20, possibly sooner. I tend to stick to the games threads, mainly, things like that.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Pleasure said:

I get you. I mean, I don't understand it that much, but I get you. I've done forums, too. Moderated big indie games in the past. I understand community and stuff. Going for more of a basement bar with slow whirling fans that just barely keep from smacking you in the face, hazy with smoke and full of grumpy has-been heroes. If that's the vibe you're going for, then forget new people. Ain't happenin' as I see it. Occasional wanderer every now and again, tastes the booze, drops a 20 on the counter and leaves. At least it keeps the lights on, eh?

It does have this feel. I work in a library, and so, at points, have a lot of odd moments to fill, so I'll nose about and post then. It does make me wonder, though, how long a forum can go on, based on the "grumpy has-been heroes" trope of having bravely left FA, and all...I mean, one can only nurse a wound so long, I'd guess, and only juice it for so much mileage, as far as being the basis for a forum.

Well, thanks for your perspectives, was nice to see, and your snappy use of language. Are you a writer?

Edit: Ooops, meant this to be one post...

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til I'm an old fart

I've always wanted to sit on a porch with a shotgun and tell kids to get off my fucking lawn

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12 hours ago, Fossa said:

OMG, this has to be the best post of the thread. I like you already! Curious to see the perspective of somebody new, as well. The hospital part was very accurate; I picture the one in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, along with Nurse Ratched. But yeah, it can feel like a home for dried up old furry farts, some have even managed to dry by age 20, possibly sooner. I tend to stick to the games threads, mainly, things like that.

I nominate myself as official forum Nurse Ratched. <;

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Quoted for truth.

On 5/18/2017 at 5:30 PM, Aeon said:

the problem with the forums isn't a mod being an asshole. or the forum in general being made of assholes its everyone having a certain point of view, that they don't want to compromise on with because they believe that there view is right, and everyone else is wrong. 

please, stop turning this thread into a callout thread. its meant to discuss the problems with ALL OF US. not ONE PERSON.

 

11 hours ago, Zaraphayx said:

I'm gay.

 

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On 5/20/2017 at 1:32 PM, Zaraphayx said:

how to become popufur doing puzzles of dragon porn

If that doesn't work, just put a big ass on Judy Hopps and post it to Tumblr. Works every time.

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heck is going on here

ive not been on this site much cos im disengaging from much of the internet in general really, dont even go on discord much

all i can say is i think the death of this forum is inevitable, but i dont mean that in a bad way to say the mods are fags or something. i blame technology. everyone just sticks to convenient IMs now. i remember skype and tinychat being a big deal in the FAF days but those were arseaches compared to discord, so the site remained in heavy use. FAF was popular and active cos it was always directly linked to a popular, very active site at the turn of this decade. I think that explains why even Weasyl didn't live up to its hype, because nobody was interested in using it or its forum to actually engage others like they would in old deviantart communities or whatever.

really the only thing that can save this site is new blood, which is something that can only really be spurred on and encouraged by old/current blood actually wanting to engage more often here. but my memes are stale, sorry ladies.

 

 

it wouldnt be a horrible idea for this site to become a more art-focused forum though. I can't really think of any other art forum that isn't conceptart.org, which tanked horribly IIRC

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1 hour ago, Sir Gibby said:

heck is going on here

ive not been on this site much cos im disengaging from much of the internet in general really, dont even go on discord much

all i can say is i think the death of this forum is inevitable, but i dont mean that in a bad way to say the mods are fags or something. i blame technology. everyone just sticks to convenient IMs now. i remember skype and tinychat being a big deal in the FAF days but those were arseaches compared to discord, so the site remained in heavy use. FAF was popular and active cos it was always directly linked to a popular, very active site at the turn of this decade. I think that explains why even Weasyl didn't live up to its hype, because nobody was interested in using it or its forum to actually engage others like they would in old deviantart communities or whatever.

really the only thing that can save this site is new blood, which is something that can only really be spurred on and encouraged by old/current blood actually wanting to engage more often here. but my memes are stale, sorry ladies.

 

 

it wouldnt be a horrible idea for this site to become a more art-focused forum though. I can't really think of any other art forum that isn't conceptart.org, which tanked horribly IIRC

Yeah, true about tech honestly. 
Much like traditional art gallery sites in the vein of DA, forums are a sort of living relic. The big ones that have been around will stay around because of their longtime established roots i.e. DA and FA. Forums might not be doomed now, but any new ones, irrelevant ones especially (like this place) won't be gaining any significant traction most likely regardless of how the community changes or how perfect the mods become. 
Social media and as you said IM's really are just the future of online interaction.

 

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3 hours ago, Sir Gibby said:

it wouldnt be a horrible idea for this site to become a more art-focused forum though. I can't really think of any other art forum that isn't conceptart.org, which tanked horribly IIRC

Well I may need to brush up on my forum history but there are still sites up that have them such as Sijun, Eatpoo (most had gone to CA.org till it just turned into a wasteland), and polycount. CG Plus which is new new "CGHub" that got shut down does have forums but I haven't been active in any of the mentioned ones, or active of late except here.

While I don't mind some kind of competition like "theme/challenge of the month" or some kind of Thunderdome competition, the upkeep of those contests will be what matters most. But a "furry of the month" or character of the month could be fun. I remember early beginnings where there was a character of the month kind of thread in anime communities, where participants got to vote and winner picked the next theme.

My main concern for the forum was the way people would flock on new users like some kind of pestilence killing off any new life the forum may get. .

 

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2 hours ago, QT Melon said:

My main concern for the forum was the way people would flock on new users like some kind of pestilence killing off any new life the forum may get. .

about this, and I wanted to mention it before the cable guys serviced my house,

what about people calling newfurs on the forum Eversl##p? I mean, usually it's not wrong, but what if we are?

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4 minutes ago, Aeon said:

about this, and I wanted to mention it before the cable guys serviced my house,

what about people calling newfurs on the forum Eversl##p? I mean, usually it's not wrong, but what if we are?

I think it's a reasonable suspicion, given his history with this place.

If they aren't, they probably aren't gonna know anything about the connotations of that name, so it doesn't matter much.

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I'm surprised nobody apologized to him so he could fuck off for good. I know it's not a very noble reason, but it might be better to swallow some dignity to (hopefully) eliminate a recurring problem.

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2 minutes ago, Silo said:

I'm surprised nobody apologized to him so he could fuck off for good. I know it's not a very noble reason, but it might be better to swallow some dignity to (hopefully) eliminate a recurring problem.

He's stated numerous times that his issue, specifically, is wanting to force people to talk to him and give him company.
That's not the same thing as wanting an apology.

Also this discussion isn't meant for this space.

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<mod post>
When I tell you specifically not to do something, as someone who has to deal with the effects of that particular can of worms, don't do it.
Take it to the appropriate spaces.

If you want to discuss that issue, even as it relates to staff action, you can. Just not here.
</mod post>

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16 hours ago, Aeon said:

about this, and I wanted to mention it before the cable guys serviced my house,

what about people calling newfurs on the forum Eversl##p? I mean, usually it's not wrong, but what if we are?

I'd say leave that issue be and let the mods handle it. If anyone suspects a new user to be "He who should not be named" then report it. Don't call out a new user like that.

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34 minutes ago, Zeke said:

I'd say leave that issue be and let the mods handle it. If anyone suspects a new user to be "He who should not be named" then report it. Don't call out a new user like that.

When it comes to this particular drama, any news regarding blanket moderation of new members?

It just doesn't work for keeping out users if they're supposedly as dedicated and malicious as has been claimed and i know first hand how it impacts new users in regards to feeling welcomed. Considering this thread was started due to a new user being driven off it seems like something worth talking about, because i guarantee that the content modding will also have an impact on newfag retention.

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While we should be conscientious over what goes on in new user threads (And I'm stressing it again: REPORT THINGS IF YOU SEE PEOPLE BEING OVERLY HOSTILE!!), that particular user's case was a unique one.
He took issue with a long-standing thread, ranted about it, and dipped out.
It's not like people ganged up on him or anything. So I don't know where all this sudden "EVERYONE'S AN ASSHOLE TO NEW USERS AND THE SKY IS FALLING" stuff comes from, other than kneejerk reaction to a singular thread blowing up.

I just went looking through a bunch of new user threads, as I was writing this, and aside from some people being cringy tryhards, I see nothing particularly offensive.

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5 minutes ago, Vae said:

While we should be conscientious over what goes on in new user threads (And I'm stressing it again: REPORT THINGS IF YOU SEE PEOPLE BEING OVERLY HOSTILE!!), that particular user's case was a unique one.
He took issue with a long-standing thread, ranted about it, and dipped out.
It's not like people ganged up on him or anything. So I don't know where all this sudden "EVERYONE'S AN ASSHOLE TO NEW USERS AND THE SKY IS FALLING" stuff comes from, other than kneejerk reaction to a singular thread blowing up.

I just went looking through a bunch of new user threads, as I was writing this, and aside from some people being cringy tryhards, I see nothing particularly offensive.

There was only one other case I remember of someone being outwardly hostile to a new user and that new user ended up being him
(Although despite who it ended up being, it still sets a bad precedent since the person's identity wasn't known or even suspected before insults were thrown so it was still a shitty first impression of the general attitude here if someone were to see that.)

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1 hour ago, [null] said:

When it comes to this particular drama, any news regarding blanket moderation of new members?

It just doesn't work for keeping out users if they're supposedly as dedicated and malicious as has been claimed and i know first hand how it impacts new users in regards to feeling welcomed. Considering this thread was started due to a new user being driven off it seems like something worth talking about, because i guarantee that the content modding will also have an impact on newfag retention.

We're working on an alternative to make sure that we don't have to moderate new members. 

As far as being malicious, if you see a user being downright caustic to a new member please report it.

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2 minutes ago, Zeke said:

As far as being malicious, if you see a user being downright caustic to a new member please report it.

Naw. Just sit and do nothing then bottle it up to use as ammunition for later when yet another thread critiquing the forums pops up. Then we can pretend to care about new users. lol

Seriously. If people are going to make it seem like new users are attacked immediately and consistently, don't sit and wait until a thread like this pops up where you can puff your chest out with self-righteousness. Mods need your help to catch this crap. If it's that big a problem, speak up when it happens. Don't wait until you have an opportunity to get likes for a wallpost putting blame on everyone else's behavior please. Doing nothing and passively letting shit happen just ensures whatever behavior you don't appreciate continues. :l

And if you don't think the mods will do something about it for some reason, try to comfort the person and drown out any hostility. I remember someone thanking Grav and Feelwell for the warm welcomes and how it actually made a huge difference.

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I can vaguely remember one case where I had to go into a thread and tell everyone, as a mod, to calm their tits.
But that was quite a long time ago.

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To be fair, I wasn't around at the beginning of threads I had just noticed the "Not my damn problem" rant when it was too late. That's what was a bit heartbreaking. No matter how you put it, it was very offputting to see. The user may have been gone by then, but when a moderator takes that stance in the thread, I think that's when you need to step back and really think if that's what need to be said.

Don't get me wrong Vae, I really don't have some personal vendetta or anything, but seeing that recent thread did make me upset. It's not whether or not you were wrong, but saying that in a recent thread with that tone, did set things off. It also didn't help because other users who are newer will see that thread and probably not want to stay around.

I'm also going to complain about the echo chamber going on right now. Yeah take the cynical approach of "oh here we go again, we'll just lock this thread and wait for another to pop up in a few months" or actually you know do something about it? It's really a shitty approach. I get it, it happens a lot, not naive, but at some point you may have to step back and think how that way of thinking is actually stagnating and stale.

It's not like I like the side that wants to jump in and nitpick with no resolution either, to argue just because they dislike someone as a moderator. It's dumb too...

I'm not thinking things will change on a grand scale either, but I agree with @Battlechili's "familiarity breeds contempt" that's going around.

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It's my stance because it's my actual opinion. It's negative, but I've always been negative and cynical. Being a mod doesn't and isn't going to change that.

I also don't feel I was being overly hostile by criticizing what someone was doing. New users aren't and shouldn't be free from any criticism at all (Because of things they were already saying, mind you. I didn't actually start that argument.), but people also shouldn't be breaking the rules.
But I haven't seen them breaking the rules or being overly hostile in recent threads, either, so... ?

It is their problem. It's entirely their own problem if they saw a thread they didn't like, and tried to make a big fuss over it instead of... as I said, dipping out gracefully. These are long-standing threads. It's not someone making a parody thread of that user in particular or something similar.

And if new users see that and want to dip out just because they don't like that we have things like cringe threads, then personally, I think it would have happened regardless. Get an impression from the thread, get an impression from the forum. It's going to lead to the same end result anyway.

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7 hours ago, Vae said:

It's my stance because it's my actual opinion. It's negative, but I've always been negative and cynical. Being a mod doesn't and isn't going to change that.

Nobody suggested it should change your opinion. But it should be enough to prompt you to at least think twice about your approach. I don't think it would have made a difference in that recent example, but in general it would probably benefit newer users to experience some of the older veterans attitudes second hand rather than than bear the brunt of it so early in their time here. It would have been easy for you to remain silent, or even ask people to cut the snark, but you decided to add to the antagonism instead.

 

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1 hour ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Nobody suggested it should change your opinion. But it should be enough to prompt you to at least think twice about your approach. I don't think it would have made a difference in that recent example, but in general it would probably benefit newer users to experience some of the older veterans attitudes second hand rather than than bear the brunt of it so early in their time here. It would have been easy for you to remain silent, or even ask people to cut the snark, but you decided to add to the antagonism instead.

 

Maybe it's because I've grown somewhat used to the place, but looking at some of the introduction threads I don't see any significant snark from anyone.

As someone else mentioned, it's not like we're trying to be a "hug box" ^__^

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1 hour ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

Maybe it's because I've grown somewhat used to the place, but looking at some of the introduction threads I don't see any significant snark from anyone.

As someone else mentioned, it's not like we're trying to be a "hug box" ^__^

 

Yeah guys, you keep falling back on the same argument, and don't see how that kind of attitude can have its negative effects. There's a difference between not being a hug box, and not being some echo chamber for your mentality though. Sometimes it's okay to not say things and leave it alone. Even if you feel it does need to be said, there's also nothing wrong at times with going to your other teammates and posting your message to them and letting them see if it could be said a better way. Sometimes you may find another's voice a big strength, and shows real teamwork.

It's not like I haven't been in the same position or not been around to the mod thing. That's in fact the whole reason I said something. this is experience talking now.

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2 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

Maybe it's because I've grown somewhat used to the place, but looking at some of the introduction threads I don't see any significant snark from anyone.

As someone else mentioned, it's not like we're trying to be a "hug box" ^__^

To be honest I barely give the intro threads a second glance myself, but it's not just there that new members post.

And QT answered the rest pretty much how I was going to. Plus I will say again; WE know what kind of place this is, WE know what the regulars and the mods are like, but for the full brunt of our general cynicism to be hefted onto a brand new member who is essentially unblooded in our ways is not going to reflect well. Particularly if the one hefting the cynicism is a mod. WE know not to expect hugbox from them but the unblooded may get the impression that this is the norm from all of us. And really, plenty of members here are total pussycats.

I would also like to suggest at this time that this thread: https://phoenix.corvidae.org/topic/5067-new-member-must-see-threads should be in Introductions and also that none of the links are working there. All I see is rings that they're loading, but nothing shows up. It's been ten minutes and counting.

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@QT Melon I stand by the not being a hug box thing, but perhaps the language of diplomacy could be used more often on these furums.

 

@FlynnCoyote Sounds like what we need is to make sure that newcomers are directed to the right orientation page, for its links to work and for a Sylveon theme to be introduced.

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this is literally what I see whenever someone says the phrase "offensive threads". 

but i'm a hypocrite, when I first joined here I was about the same way. just didn't really say anything. And I did add my two cents worth with the newfur who left due to...well...exactly what the picture implies..now that I think about it...it kind of fits the majority of the arguments that keep coming up..

 

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9 hours ago, FlynnCoyote said:

Nobody suggested it should change your opinion. But it should be enough to prompt you to at least think twice about your approach. I don't think it would have made a difference in that recent example, but in general it would probably benefit newer users to experience some of the older veterans attitudes second hand rather than than bear the brunt of it so early in their time here. It would have been easy for you to remain silent, or even ask people to cut the snark, but you decided to add to the antagonism instead.

I'd like to see where this pervasive intro thread problem is regarding me specifically, because as I said, I don't even look at them much.
My only other recent memory of commenting in an intro thread is complimenting someone's interests.

Also nothing that I said in that thread broke the rules, mind you. Toning down my general personality was not part of the agreement when I was asked if I wanted to be part of staff.
I'm held to the same site rules as everyone else. And I think that's fair.

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2 hours ago, Vae said:

I'd like to see where this pervasive intro thread problem is regarding me specifically, because as I said, I don't even look at them much.
My only other recent memory of commenting in an intro thread is complimenting someone's interests.

Also nothing that I said in that thread broke the rules, mind you. Toning down my general personality was not part of the agreement when I was asked if I wanted to be part of staff.
I'm held to the same site rules as everyone else. And I think that's fair.

Ugh, as much as i want to stay out of this i guess i have to chime in here. I don't think there's a pervasive problem with intro threads specifically but given how this thread's gone some people here certainly perceive that there's an issue with the forum's overall attitude, and like it or not your mentality is part of that issue. Honestly you come across like you don't really give a shit about the forum or the people here. Now i've seen enough of you to know that isn't quite true but still, that's the initial impression you give.

Remember the post that got me content modded? I gave you shit for treating a new member that chimed in with something (i don't bloody remember exactly what at this point but i can look up the thread if necessary) rather dismissively and in your response to me the first thing you said was that they were irrelevant followed by the usual "i don't owe anyone shit" spiel. Now, it's fine that that's who you are, but who you are does come across as a shithead at times. Fuck man that exchange led me to think you were an entitled prick that didn't value the opinions of others in the slightest. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but i'm just saying that's how you come across. Pretty sure that user that you referred to as irrelevant hasn't been back since either. I'd look into it if i actually cared but you may have been directly involved in driving a new user away from the site.

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3 hours ago, Vae said:

I'd like to see where this pervasive intro thread problem is regarding me specifically, because as I said, I don't even look at them much.
My only other recent memory of commenting in an intro thread is complimenting someone's interests.

I didn't say intro threads and I certainly didn't say pervasive. I said as a moderator your attitude speaks for the community in the eyes of new members whether you intend it to or not. I said you as site staff should not be posting in a blatantly negative tone that just echoes the cynical attitudes of others here.

3 hours ago, Vae said:

Also nothing that I said in that thread broke the rules, mind you. Toning down my general personality was not part of the agreement when I was asked if I wanted to be part of staff.

It should be. You're supposed to be the level head in sensitive issues, you have to be able to make decisions without favouring friends, and your outward posting habit will reflect on you in the eyes of new members whether you want it to or not. For the sake of site growth you all need to reinforce a more positive environment and if that means staying silent on some matters then do it.

3 hours ago, Vae said:

I'm held to the same site rules as everyone else. And I think that's fair.

No, it isn't. If anything you should be held to a higher standard. Posting all over with your "I don't care" personality is not what new members should be stumbling across on their first day.

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what the fuck. really.

stop turning this into a callout thread. please. especially when one of you quote me the first time I said it on this thread. this is not the place for it. this is US. not ONE PERSON. I stress this. I said this on the last thread too before it disappeared. I know that you wouldn't know that null, and I really do appreciate the input, a lot of the things you've said I find a little bit of a vibe with, especially coming from one of the newer members on here who has been through the modding process, and I'm sorry about the moderated signup thing. I'm not a mod, but I can say that the forums have been harassed by now ex users and there have been issues on here for a while regarding users, harassment, and stalking. The staff took action on an ongoing problem that ultimately affected all of us. 

but PLEASE. stop with the callouts. at this point, I can pretty much say the purpose of this thread is turning to same thing it did last time it was up. and its a one track loop we are falling into here. 

possible solution, "hugbox" the newby area. Its seeming to be what everyone is pointing to with this, like it or not. with the threat of some infraction or punishment, people wont be inclined so much to harass the rookies. I don't like this idea, because sometimes people deserve it. Maybe we could just assign greeters or something to monitor the intro threads specifically, not as mods, but helpers to the mod team, who need to step in and say something when needed. I don't personally like the idea. but the common consensus is that something needs to be done there. 

Does anyone else have any ideas that are proactive / progressive?

 

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41 minutes ago, FlynnCoyote said:

For the sake of site growth you all need to reinforce a more positive environment and if that means staying silent on some matters then do it.


Wouldn't it be more beneficial if all users tried to foster a more positive environment as opposed to making the moderators the ones solely responsible for that? It doesn't really do much good for us to be nicer if the rest of the board is still a bunch of assholes...

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Aeon, maybe there's a reason threads designed to address issues with the forum end up involving callouts. People have to take responsibility for their actions. Now while i'm not sure what to make of Vae on a personal level i wasn't posting just to be shitty. It's kinda my way to be abrasive but i can understand the issues other people have brought up regarding Vae and i gave my honest impression of him/her/it so far. Their way of being, especially given their role within the forum, has an impact, and i've only seen a negative one from Vae for the most part. It's obvious given this thread alone that this forum has some issues and all i can do is bring up what i've seen and try to explain why i've come to that conclusion...well apart from when i'm shitposting. Idk man, i'm just an outsider that's giving an honest opinion of the place. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1 minute ago, willow said:

 


Wouldn't it be more beneficial if all users tried to foster a more positive environment as opposed to making the moderators the ones solely responsible for that? It doesn't really do much good for us to be nicer if the rest of the board is still a bunch of assholes...

Agreed, but given your position it may be beneficial to lead by example.

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2 minutes ago, [null] said:

Agreed, but given your position it may be beneficial to lead by example.

when it comes to official mod business, I'm typically the nice one

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Just now, willow said:

when it comes to official mod business, I'm typically the nice one

Good for you, spread the love dude. I haven't seen you around outside of this thread.

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5 minutes ago, [null] said:

Good for you, spread the love dude. I haven't seen you around outside of this thread.

Eh, that's because I post very seldom and mostly just lurk

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2 hours ago, Aeon said:

what the fuck. really.

stop turning this into a callout thread.

 

I don't think *this* current discussion is much as a callout, I think the other occurrences were. Asking a moderator to just think twice is a far call from "I don't like you as a moderator" since at least I understand her points, I'm just concerned about how they're coming across to newer users. While the suggestion is specifically addressed to her, it's good advice overall. It was that event that made me participate in the thread to begin with. It would be advice I'd give to any moderator that made a similar post like that.

I could care less if in a debate/rant thread you want to come off blunt or in a negative (so long as it isn't resorting to being insulting). I think in an intro thread, you should be a bit more reserved.

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2 hours ago, willow said:

 


Wouldn't it be more beneficial if all users tried to foster a more positive environment as opposed to making the moderators the ones solely responsible for that? It doesn't really do much good for us to be nicer if the rest of the board is still a bunch of assholes...

Did you miss the post where I said exactly that? But you as mods are the only ones in position to enforce it? 

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3 hours ago, willow said:

 


Wouldn't it be more beneficial if all users tried to foster a more positive environment as opposed to making the moderators the ones solely responsible for that? It doesn't really do much good for us to be nicer if the rest of the board is still a bunch of assholes...

It's already been said pages ago multiple times. We were just asking for some parts of that specific condition be met as well to help prevent future incidents. None of the thread discounted the userbase accountability.

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Honestly, I'm just tired of Vae being used as a scapegoat. This is turning into a repeat of last time, just with different people. now maybe that does mean there is room for improvement. but Vae is Vae. Just as you are you, and I am me. Vae was brought on the mod team for a reason, and maybe I'm missing something here because I wasn't here in the beginning of the site and mods, but is it really fair to keep telling her what's been said multiple times, over and over again? and its not just Vae that does whats being complained about. For gods sake, some of the users on here are just here to make people feel like shit. I remember when I hopped on here one day and my family was being ripped apart, and the cops showed up the next day. i was happy, people responded in support and the first people to reach out to me on the situation was one of the mods, but guess what, I felt better, then a user blatantly said they didn't give a shit, which was fucking devastating considering I didn't tell anyone I knew about my family issues! stuff like THAT is the problem here! some things are better left unsaid. if those users, and all of us included, could just not be a fucking dick for two minutes, just consider how people felt, and what our words do. this thread wouldn't have to be here. yes, Vae does come off as an asshole, but a lot of us do. Not just the mods, in fact, I probably am right now. but this is so damned irritating. No one is willing to work together, its always "he/she did this" and rarely "what WE should do" all of us are at fault. all of us need to think about this.

on a sidenote, I could put a LIST of people on here who are constantly assholes. but what would it do if I said something on this thread? What would the outcome be? and what would it solve?

I apologize in advance. I'm not trying to offend, I'm trying to spark Ideas. I don't think I'm adding much more to this, I've said what I want to say, and maybe too much.

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1 hour ago, Aeon said:

I apologize in advance. I'm not trying to offend, I'm trying to spark Ideas. I don't think I'm adding much more to this, I've said what I want to say, and maybe too much.

No, you are fine. I think opening a dialogue does help. However, given the fact that we've open up dialogue so many times without any changes in both attitude or doing anything to make those changes makes the whole point of the dialogue pointless. If people want a change in attitudes, then stop talking and do it. 

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