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Weasyl is a decent site. I know it is. But, there is stuff wrong with it, definitely. People act like it's a god among art sites when it really has the same problems as any other website that I'm gonna list because I'm grumpy and hate everyone right now.
 

  1. Lack of activity. I know, people talk about this all the time, but there's a definite lack of activity. Nobody comments on art anymore, it seems. People just nod their heads and fave and move on.
  2. Lack of varied artists. I know there are probably fantastic artists on there, but the front page is flooded with art all in that Tumblr-esque artstyle I'm so sick of seeing. It's like a 2nd Tumblr at this point. Also, speaking of...
  3. It's like a 2nd Tumblr. Just look at this comment. Fucking look at that shit.bcxiDk8.png
     
  4. People tend to not use the mature content filters. It hasn't happened too often, but every once in a while someone will upload their murrsona getting dongs up their ass and put it on a "general" setting. That'll make Weasyl look like a good website, porn on the front page of the general section!


Alright, I'm done bitching.

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1) It's a smaller site,
2) It's a smaller site.
3) What is 'Tumblr Artstyle' supposed to even mean?
4) You say that as if there's no mislabeled art on FA.  FA has a good sized problem with adult material not correctly marked adult.

For fucks sake.
These are problems it has. I didn't mention any other sites because they're irrelevant in this. And basically, what I mean by "Tumblr Artstyle" is that one hyperpopular art style going on right now that everyone and their dog is emulating. The one with rounded features and bad anatomy. I don't care if it's a "smaller site". We shouldn't ignore problems like that just because it's "smaller".

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 And basically, what I mean by "Tumblr Artstyle" is that one hyperpopular art style going on right now that everyone and their dog is emulating.

Artists emulating popular art styles is in now way 'Tumblr' and it's something that's seen on every art site.  It's what people do, they emulate what's popular, it's everywhere.  It's bizarre to call it 'Tumblresq' as if the behavior is unique to Tumblr.

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Artists emulating popular art styles is in now way 'Tumblr' and it's something that's seen on every art site.  It's what people do, they emulate what's popular, it's everywhere.  It's bizarre to call it 'Tumblresq' as if the behavior is unique to Tumblr.

 

I call it that because the art style started on Tumblr.

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1 and 2 - Basically what Ashley said. It's also a vicious circle in many respects. We need big artists to post more there so more people will use it, but artists say they don't get traffic there and don't post, hence the traffic stays low. 

One of the suggestions I have for big artists that want to move to Weasyl is to do Weasyl specific deals or specials to build a community there. 

Part of 2 & 3. I don't even know what that is. You also see that same behaviour on FA. 

4. Same with almost every site that allows NSFW content alongside PG content. 

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1 and 2 - Basically what Ashley said. It's also a vicious circle in many respects. We need big artists to post more there so more people will use it, but artists say they don't get traffic there and don't post, hence the traffic stays low. 

One of the suggestions I have for big artists that want to move to Weasyl is to do Weasyl specific deals or specials to build a community there. 

Part of 2 & 3. I don't even know what that is. You also see that same behaviour on FA. 

4. Same with almost every site that allows NSFW content alongside PG content. 

That's exactly my point. My point is that Weasyl has problems exactly like every other big art site, but people tend to ignore it because "HURR DURR IT'S WEASYL"

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That's exactly my point. My point is that Weasyl has problems exactly like every other big art site, but people tend to ignore it because "HURR DURR IT'S WEASYL"

I have literally never seen anyone claim that.

Of course there will be fanboys. There are groups of people who blindly defend anything - even FA somehow still has them. But I've never seen someone claim what you did. 

Edit: As in the HURR DURR Weasyl bit

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I have literally never seen anyone claim that.

Of course there will be fanboys. There are groups of people who blindly defend anything - even FA somehow still has them. But I've never seen someone claim what you did. 

I see it a lot on different websites, specifically DeviantART. People move their shit over to Weasyl saying how much Weasyl is better than DeviantART and shit, but then they come back to DA like a week later because they get upset that their art doesn't get attention.

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Personally, I love Weasyl. After leaving DA for FA, and then FA proving itself to be a pile of shit, I moved to Weasyl as my primary, followed by Sofurry. Weasyl is smaller, but I've seen a couple spikes in new users joining the site since I joined in the beginning of the year, so I'm hopeful the site will grow further, and not become a black hole of inactivity like Nabyn became.

Tickets are answered timely, the mods are identified (I'm staring at you, FA and your dumb shit NDA) and you can easily get in contact with any of them, and there's a pleasant lack of bullshit dripping down from the top of the chain *cough* 'Neer *cough cough* and a significant lack of site dysfunction.

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Tickets are answered timely, the mods are identified (I'm staring at you, FA and your dumb shit NDA) and you can easily get in contact with any of them, and there's a pleasant lack of bullshit dripping down from the top of the chain *cough* 'Neer *cough cough* and a significant lack of site dysfunction.

Weasyl, so far a solid record of not hiring people who have sex with dogs or telling sexual assault victims to keep their mouth shut!  Keep on not sucking! :3 

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I see it a lot on different websites, specifically DeviantART. People move their shit over to Weasyl saying how much Weasyl is better than DeviantART and shit, but then they come back to DA like a week later because they get upset that their art doesn't get attention.

Deviant'art' is such a pile of shit. Honest to god, it's the skid mark of the entire online art scene. Anytime someone references shitty art, DA is immediately the first thing out of their mouth.

Weasyl, so far a solid record of not hiring people who have sex with dogs or telling sexual assault victims to keep their mouth shut!  Keep on not sucking! :3 

*LOL NAME WITHHELD* is a disgusting pile of shit hiding behind his popufur status.

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Personally, I love Weasyl. After leaving DA for FA, and then FA proving itself to be a pile of shit, I moved to Weasyl as my primary, followed by Sofurry. Weasyl is smaller, but I've seen a couple spikes in new users joining the site since I joined in the beginning of the year, so I'm hopeful the site will grow further, and not become a black hole of inactivity like Nabyn became.

Tickets are answered timely, the mods are identified (I'm staring at you, FA and your dumb shit NDA) and you can easily get in contact with any of them, and there's a pleasant lack of bullshit dripping down from the top of the chain *cough* 'Neer *cough cough* and a significant lack of site dysfunction.

I've heard rumors that their committee based leadership isn't exactly the best arrangement possible (since things aren't getting done as fast as they could be), but it's still a million times better than the cronyism ridden hierarchy that is FA. 

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I've heard rumors that their committee based leadership isn't exactly the best arrangement possible (since things aren't getting done as fast as they could be), but it's still a million times better than the cronyism ridden hierarchy that is FA. 

Absolutely better than FA. I've literally been waiting over 2wks for a COPPA (actually outright graphic CP) report to be answered on FA, but Weasyl? Tickets get answered timely. Sure, I get impatient on the site when there's something sitting for more than a week, but anything that's insanely important (like a COPPA report, thieves, scammers) gets answered immediately.

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I like the site, a little slow but friends are wandering there and fans slowly.
It's only a matter if time before FA gets a sour taste to most and sites like Weasyl will mature and expand.
I don't think offering popufur artists any incentive is a good idea, that starts the whole elitism crap on sites.

 

As to the whole everyone is drawing the same crap, it's been like that for ages.
Look at the poses for them, and then look years back and it's all the same poses recycled and re-posted.

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Most of Weasyl's issues stem from being a small site. Personally, I think the -main- site is swell. I just don't feel the staff really do anything to try and entice new artists to use it. Right now, it's essentially a refugee camp for FA and DA rebels. 

I seem to remember someone posting a great journal with advice for people who want to leave FA but are afraid of the traffic hit. 

I can't find the link anywhere. :(

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  1. It's like a 2nd Tumblr. Just look at this comment. Fucking look at that shit.bcxiDk8.png

 

I don't get it. you're taking issue with the whole site because of one poster? furthermore, you're going to paint them as problematic because of an opinion they share? further still, you're not going to respect them, not even with a rebuttal if your opinions are different, but rather you'll label them as "from Tumblr," therefore writing them off as wrong and stupid?

what ground are you expecting to cover with this "point," that you're incompetent of actual debate and because someone's got a perspective totally different from yours, that makes them unworthy of recognition?

 

and then you don't explain yourself. you post a screencap and say "fucking look at that shit," assuming everyone here is on the same page with your flawed viewpoint. that's just flippant.

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Oh, so I'm not the only one that noticed "Tumblr style"

I can't even describe it but when you see art you just know it's 'tumblr'.

I have no problems with it, I like art. I do think the obsession with it is a bit overhyped like almost anything with a cult following, but I have no problems with it as a base.

 

Why does everyone get so ragey over tumblr? Yeah, lots of things on there are stupid and especially those who follow dumb sjw things. But it's not that big of a deal. Gosh. Idiots exist straight up everywhere...and if you want to blame tumblr for a category of idiots fine, but getting really upset over it is getting old. Plus it's also good  for art/comics/community topics/etc.

 

Also, I hope people wouldnt  bash or turn their nose up at art because the vast majority doesn't look like something made by a professional artist. Of course lots of art looks poorly done, not everyone is a professional artist. Some people are still working on that, and their content isn't super ideal, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad. If you wanted good art just go to deviantart and browse the 'popular' section for extremely detailed digital painted pieces. People should stop whining about how all they see is 'bad art'

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I seem to remember someone posting a great journal with advice for people who want to leave FA but are afraid of the traffic hit. 

I can't find the link anywhere. :(

Could just do what I do, and only post teasers on FA and in the description post the Weasyl link that has the whole image. I get more hits now on Weasyl than I typically do on FA.

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1 and 2 - Basically what Ashley said. It's also a vicious circle in many respects. We need big artists to post more there so more people will use it, but artists say they don't get traffic there and don't post, hence the traffic stays low. 

One of the suggestions I have for big artists that want to move to Weasyl is to do Weasyl specific deals or specials to build a community there. 

It remains a vicious circle in part I believe because all the alternatives are trying to do exactly the same thing and be exactly the same thing without offering anything unique or useful to attract artists:

  • FA - Large furry art gallery, with basic support for publishing images and limited support for publishing anything else. Limited "social" features: Journals, Comments, Shouts, Follow/Watch & Fave. It's largest asset is the volume of existing content that attracts eyeballs and serves as advertising for artists as well as users.
  • SoFurry - Evolved from a site that had been around longer which put stories and written content at the vanguard, and extended into another large furry art gallery, with associated community/social functions.
  • Inkbunny - A fresh approach but in the end, still just another furry art gallery with a few nice features.
  • Weasyl - Yet another furry art gallery.

Aside from FA which has genuine deficiencies, the other three main alternatives offer nothing unique or new among themselves that would attract people over that I see with most people gravitating to one or the other out of a personal preference . With the others maintaining galleries on each site, duplicating efforts.

If a few big artists do "move to weasyl" deals, the way Sefeiren tried with Frisky Ferals (and move-to-Inkbunny), at best a few loyal users will create extra accounts in order to stay in contact, see new art and comission new pieces, at worst there will be drama and bitching from users who want to use other sites and don't want to make yet another new account. Deflating that somewhat is the fact that new submissions end up being posted to e621 which eliminates the need to register on some other site to see what's new.

 

If I were to suggest a solution, it would be to have a site that focusses on artist profiles, almost portfolio-as-a-service which IMHO none of the current crop of Art Sites are doing. I suspect Crittr (brought to you by SoFurry) might be leaning in this direction, Eli's Bleatr seems to be looking at that kind of direction, Varka's FurryNetwork might move in that direction and Imgfur might become that kind of a system. Crittr is not open to anyone yet and I've not heard any recent news. Bleatr I saw mention of on twitter but have not explored it beyond a casual glance. FurryNetwork I got an invite to but haven't gotten round to uploading my content as it's all in cold storage. Imgfur has some rough spots but might be just the kind of thing I am after at least.

Weasyl, so far a solid record of not hiring people who have sex with dogs or telling sexual assault victims to keep their mouth shut!  Keep on not sucking! :3 

Weasyl has had the misfortune of allowing other classes of unsavoury and unsuitable individuals into the ranks in the beginning. The important part is that those same individuals were reportedly expunged so the community as a whole does better. That is the attitude lacking in some other domains.

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Weasyl is where all the salty people go to let off the salts.

That's why you don't really see new pieces there.

You see reuploaded salts by people throwing tantrum because they feel like they're very important.

Salts??

Weasyl has had the misfortune of allowing other classes of unsavoury and unsuitable individuals into the ranks in the beginning. The important part is that those same individuals were reportedly expunged so the community as a whole does better. That is the attitude lacking in some other domains.

Ahh, I just laid witness to a deviantTARTLET get the banhammer from Weasyl...shit was hilarious.

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I still don't know what "Tumblr style" is, and I've been using Tumblr for a number of years.
You mean messy, cutesy styles with bright blocky colors? As someone who's been in and out of art sites since 2003, that kind of thing predates Tumblr by a long shot. And it's always been popular.

My biggest issues with Weasyl main are the coding system they chose (Markdown? Who the fuck...?) when every other art site I've ever been on has used either html or bbcode,
and the audience.
I'm not much a furry. And despite their claims of "It's a general art site!", the majority of work there is furry. I'm sorry, but that gets absolutely stale to someone like me, who wants to see stuff like realistic human portraits and spacepaints and environments and shit other than someone's fursona.
I don't know if that's improved or not, though, since I rarely use the site.

I've thought attempting to use the site more, but I just find Tumblr infinitely more useful in the control I have over my gallery, what I actually see on the site itself, and shit like queues and unique tagging systems.
 

 

Also, I hope people wouldnt  bash or turn their nose up at art because the vast majority doesn't look like something made by a professional artist. Of course lots of art looks poorly done, not everyone is a professional artist. Some people are still working on that, and their content isn't super ideal, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad. If you wanted good art just go to deviantart and browse the 'popular' section for extremely detailed digital painted pieces. People should stop whining about how all they see is 'bad art'

People are going to naturally be drawn more towards stuff that "looks like something made by a professional artist".
I... don't understand the point being made here? This has nothing to do with Weasyl, or art sites. This is just human nature. We're drawn towards quality.

Also, criticism is absolutely essential if you want to develop your skills.

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I still don't know what "Tumblr style" is, and I've been using Tumblr for a number of years.
You mean messy, cutesy styles with bright blocky colors? As someone who's been in and out of art sites since 2003, that kind of thing predates Tumblr by a long shot. And it's always been popular.

My biggest issues with Weasyl main are the coding system they chose (Markdown? Who the fuck...?) when every other art site I've ever been on has used either html or bbcode,
and the audience.
I'm not much a furry. And despite their claims of "It's a general art site!", the majority of work there is furry. I'm sorry, but that gets absolutely stale to someone like me, who wants to see stuff like realistic human portraits and spacepaints and environments and shit other than someone's fursona.
I don't know if that's improved or not, though, since I rarely use the site.

I've thought attempting to use the site more, but I just find Tumblr infinitely more useful in the control I have over my gallery, what I actually see on the site itself, and shit like queues and unique tagging systems.
 

People are going to naturally be drawn more towards stuff that "looks like something made by a professional artist".I... don't understand the point being made here? This has nothing to do with Weasyl, or art sites. This is just human nature. We're drawn towards quality.

Also, criticism is absolutely essential if you want to develop your skills.

Well I didnt mean art artcant be criticized, but I dont see the need to go look at general galleries and see art you deem poor quality and dislike an entire site right off the bat because of the numerous horribly done art. Of course people want to see good art, thats why theyshould go to a specific artist, a specific blog, a specific listing and not a general place where all types of art are submitted and get mad at the quality, doesnt make sense.

I know a lot of artistsout there still suck but theyre typically using their galleries for personal use to showcase self improvement (some are, at least). So if someone sees art that sucks on the front page or on a specific account, its kind of dumb. I can understand if the poor artist is just doing half-assed fetish art or half assed any art and not seeming to improve at all, and then complaining why nobody likes their stuff or why they cant get any attention out of it.

 

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Well I didnt mean art artcant be criticized, but I dont see the need to go look at general galleries and see art you deem poor quality and dislike an entire site right off the bat because of the numerous horribly done art. Of course people want to see good art, thats why theyshould go to a specific artist, a specific blog, a specific listing and not a general place where all types of art are submitted and get mad at the quality, doesnt make sense.

When disliking it basically amounts to not wanting to browse/upload on that site then yeah it kinda does. And I say this as someone who is wholly mediocre at art. There's just so much good stuff out there that you don't need to browse through page after page of stuff that does nothing for you just to find a few good pieces here and there.

Unless nobody good draws your fetish I mean.

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I like Weasyl for the simple fact that I do not have problems with the management there.

The issue is a multipart issue really:

Weasyl could be bigger but Weasyl needs to provide something novel to make furries go there. Novel in this sense is something different, innovative and helpful to the way that previous sites have been doing things. Maybe a new way to upload and protect the artwork, or a new way to put it on display that can scale the sizes automatically or something. Different Management is simply not enough.to cut the mustard and make people leave in droves. It hasn't worked through the numerous scandals that have plagued the ownership during their tenure. 

The furry fandom that is on Weasyl, SoFurry, Inkbunny or any other site has to want the site to become the higher trafficked site. The only way that will happen is if the furry artists themselves start plugging it on their FA. "Do you want to see my latest artwork of 'Janelle the Jaguar And her all female rock band?' Log onto www(dot)furrydude(dot Weasyl...-Or- www(dot)somefurrydude(at)sofurry... -Or- www(dot)inkbunny/somefurryguy(dot)com to see more."

It might end up in bans if there is a mass exodus, but it is a long ways from that.

 

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I still don't know whatt "Tumblr style" is, and I've been using Tumblr for a number of years.
You mean messy, cutesy styles with bright blocky colors? As someone who's been in and out of art sites since 2003, that kind of thing predates Tumblr by a long shot. 

if you dont know the style then youve prob never focused on it. Its hsrd to explain without examples  and i dont want to dredge up examples and start fights by doing so

main chsracteristics is that its all pastel colours, all the characterd are drawn with half lidded tired eyes, and they puke fountains or some shit

its a thibg for characters to casually have puke flowing fron their mouth

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if you dont know the style then youve prob never focused on it. Its hsrd to explain without examples  and i dont want to dredge up examples and start fights by doing so

main chsracteristics is that its all pastel colours, all the characterd are drawn with half lidded tired eyes, and they puke fountains or some shit

its a thibg for characters to casually have puke flowing fron their mouth

kind of like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CR5x3BAelk

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  1. Lack of activity. I know, people talk about this all the time, but there's a definite lack of activity. Nobody comments on art anymore, it seems. People just nod their heads and fave and move on.
  2. Lack of varied artists. I know there are probably fantastic artists on there, but the front page is flooded with art all in that Tumblr-esque artstyle I'm so sick of seeing. It's like a 2nd Tumblr at this point. Also, speaking of...

I don't totally disagree with you, but..

1: This has always been the case in my observation. FA and DA only seem to get a lot of comments due to their size. If you look at the actual View:Comment ratio on either of those sites, it is abysmal. Always has been in my opinion. Personally? I HATE that, but it is what it is.

2: People will always emulate what's 'popular' and what 'gets views'. I hate that generic cartoony vibrant anatomy-less style too... But apparently we're in the minority because people still pump that shit out and it still gets views.

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if you dont know the style then youve prob never focused on it. Its hsrd to explain without examples  and i dont want to dredge up examples and start fights by doing so

main chsracteristics is that its all pastel colours, all the characterd are drawn with half lidded tired eyes, and they puke fountains or some shit

its a thibg for characters to casually have puke flowing fron their mouth

I thought that was a thing that came from rave culture,
not Tumblr culture.

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In conclusion, people credit everything about culture that they don't like to Tumblr, much like how all musical parodies are credited to Weird Al Yankovic.

"Check out this Weird Al song."
"This is being sung by a woman..."
"Look, I know Weird Al style when I hear it."
"She's singing 'I'm Suga BayBee, The Real Suga BayBee'..."
"I don't think you know Weird Al like I do, I'm an expect on Weird Al."
"I'm 99% sure this song is being performed by Stephanie 'Suga BayBee' Beard'..."
"What do you even know about Weird Al, you newb!?"

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I like Weasyl for the simple fact that I do not have problems with the management there.

The issue is a multipart issue really:

Weasyl could be bigger but Weasyl needs to provide something novel to make furries go there. Novel in this sense is something different, innovative and helpful to the way that previous sites have been doing things. Maybe a new way to upload and protect the artwork, or a new way to put it on display that can scale the sizes automatically or something. Different Management is simply not enough.to cut the mustard and make people leave in droves. It hasn't worked through the numerous scandals that have plagued the ownership during their tenure. 

The furry fandom that is on Weasyl, SoFurry, Inkbunny or any other site has to want the site to become the higher trafficked site. The only way that will happen is if the furry artists themselves start plugging it on their FA. "Do you want to see my latest artwork of 'Janelle the Jaguar And her all female rock band?' Log onto www(dot)furrydude(dot Weasyl...-Or- www(dot)somefurrydude(at)sofurry... -Or- www(dot)inkbunny/somefurryguy(dot)com to see more."

It might end up in bans if there is a mass exodus, but it is a long ways from that.

 

They should have a prints system and a donate system like Inkbunny does, only with Weasyl there'd be the beauty of NO CUB PORN. I have so many blocked tags and user on Inkbunny it's gone beyond fucking ridiculous.

AND ENABLE USER ADS.

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I literally could not give less of a shit about Weasyl. Most good artists are running their own Tumblr anyway, so I don't really see the point.

Good people involved in running it though, assuming it's the same team as when it started.

Either that, they're using Patreon or they're doing open streaming and taking simple comissions while letting people watch them work. I've stopped relying on FA to find artists, and don't rely on any other furry sites either, instead I just contact them directly and work something out.

Pulsar did that and was petty af about it, it was pretty hilarious

Strangely enough, nobody gave a shit and just looked at his work on e621 or whatever. He stopped pretty shortly.

e621 has become my primary means for finding artwork I like, then if I like the artist I can find them somewhere to arrange a comission. I don't have to bother over which site someone is using, don't have to register an account just to view content etc.

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