The end of Steam Greenlight

[RTDragon]

I though this should be discussed since this was announced a bit recently on steam.

Well as everyone knows that stream greenlight is closing down this year and is being replaced with Steam direct.

http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/558846854614253751

And already for the comments this is not looking pretty at all. Though to be honest for being on steam for two years and seeing the stuff that comes out from there not really surprised it was only a matter of time before this happened.

So what does everyone think of this situation?

[Socketosis]

Good and bad. Sucks for small or single developers to get their games on there for a piece of the Steam pie. On the other hand, sucky shovelware/RPG Maker/visual novel garbage will cost (possibly a lot) more money to get put up. I think it's just a lazy solution honestly, and it fucks me over since I was entertaining the idea of putting anything I make , that is worthy, up on Greenlight. There's not that many alternatives that offer the same userbase size that Steam has. :\

[RTDragon]

Ah while on that subject Socketosis. this video did give some points. As well as some valid advice.

 

[Feelwell]

As long as they don't make the submission fee too high, and don't make it stupidly low.

 

100, 200, 250 dollars sounds reasonable.

[Socketosis]

1 hour ago, Feelwell the Rabbit said:

As long as they don't make the submission fee too high, and don't make it stupidly low.

 

100, 200, 250 dollars sounds reasonable.

$100 is what Greenlight currently is. That'd actually be worse.

[RTDragon]

1 hour ago, Socketosis said:

$100 is what Greenlight currently is. That'd actually be worse.

Not to mention that was a one time fee which really made things kind of worse. So as far as that concerned that's probably not going to happen considering usually prices for games being made are a lot higher than that.

[Snagged]

In my totally not biased opinion, only bad games came out of Steam so this should not matter :v

[Zeke]

I see it as both good and bad.

With small indie developers that tinker around in blender and unity who are trying to make a small game for 5 bucks are going to lose out, especially if the fee is too much. A lot of small-time developers who made great games like Undertale will also get the boot if the can't come up with the fee to have their game published through steam direct.

However, the good outweighs the bad since a lot of shitty game developers abused the system just to have their crappy piece of filth greenlit.

As long as the fee isn't outrageous, I think there's some benefit to it as long as it doesn't hurt the developer. However, when you put a game on steam, you are taking a risk anyway.   As for the fee with green light, one hundred bucks can be recouped by most. When you think about it, 100 dollars is not that hard to make up if you have an okay job. A fee like 100 doesn't make it seem like it's a serious investment imo. I can see that 100 to another person who made a really good game while living off ramen and dollar tree frozen veggies as a serious investment for someone getting their feet wet.

 

In the middle ground: Steam should have grown a pair and done some quality control with greenlit in the first place to prevent people from putting broken, awful, and downright scummy shovel ware games on the platform.

[Fantasma]

What about basing the fee off of the price range of the final product?

 

If your game is going to cost 60 dollars, expect 5k. If it's 5 dollars, expect a minimum fee.

 

Just an idea that would be fair for all

[RTDragon]

On 2/15/2017 at 9:20 PM, Snagged Cub said:

In my totally not biased opinion, only bad games came out of Steam so this should not matter :v

Technically does matter since there were quite a number of good gems that came out greenlight and some are still in early access showing progress.

Cross-Code, Stardew Valley, Starbound, Freedom Planet, Undertale, etc.

On 2/17/2017 at 8:54 AM, Johanna Waya said:

What about basing the fee off of the price range of the final product?

 

If your game is going to cost 60 dollars, expect 5k. If it's 5 dollars, expect a minimum fee.

 

Just an idea that would be fair for all

Sadly as far as they are concerned the damage has been done so i wouldn't be surprised of a price increase

[TrishaCat]

On 2/15/2017 at 8:20 PM, Snagged Cub said:

In my totally not biased opinion, only bad games came out of Steam so this should not matter :v

Please do not insult Panty Party

[RTDragon]

2 hours ago, Battlechili said:

Please do not insult Panty Party

Actually that's kind of part of the problem i've seen from the comments as well as greenlight. Sexual content games.

[TrishaCat]

As a serious response, I think Greenlight being gone will help make it easier for some users of Steam to find games to play, as it had such an unbelievably low barrier for entry that a lot of REALLY low effort and bad games were being added to Steam. I personally didn't have much of a problem with it, as most of the games I buy I find out about either through word of mouth or through news sites, but some people used the front page so I guess in that respect, it helps them. I don't know how much good this new system will do though. HOPEFULLY the cost of admittence will keep people from putting up games unless they know they're something that people would buy at least a few copies of, but one thing I liked about Steam Greenlight is that it helped get a lot of quality yet niche games that might not otherwise be on Steam get onto Steam, thus helping those games get more exposure and love from gamers.

2 hours ago, RTDragon said:

Actually that's kind of part of the problem i've seen from the comments as well as greenlight. Sexual content games.

I was mostly joking. Plus Panty Party isn't actually a sexual content game. Its a comedy action game with no lewd elements that's centered around playing a panty as a main character as a joke. 

Although I disagree. I've been pushing for and trying to get Valve/Gaben to allow uncensored porn games on Steam. I think there's value to be had in such games and a market for them, and that Steam being as big as it is means that it holds a semi-monopoly on the PC market, so much so that games that otherwise wouldn't exist only exist because of Steam.

I don't think the problem was so much that games emphasizing sexual content were on Steam Greenlight, but rather that low effort games that focused solely on sexual content as a means of attracting players that would otherwise be disinterested is the problem. Basically, that people were making low effort games for a quick buck and just using sex as a means of keeping people buying games.

[Deskai]

4 hours ago, Battlechili said:

As a serious response, I think Greenlight being gone will help make it easier for some users of Steam to find games to play, as it had such an unbelievably low barrier for entry that a lot of REALLY low effort and bad games were being added to Steam. I personally didn't have much of a problem with it, as most of the games I buy I find out about either through word of mouth or through news sites, but some people used the front page so I guess in that respect, it helps them. I don't know how much good this new system will do though. HOPEFULLY the cost of admittence will keep people from putting up games unless they know they're something that people would buy at least a few copies of, but one thing I liked about Steam Greenlight is that it helped get a lot of quality yet niche games that might not otherwise be on Steam get onto Steam, thus helping those games get more exposure and love from gamers.

I was mostly joking. Plus Panty Party isn't actually a sexual content game. Its a comedy action game with no lewd elements that's centered around playing a panty as a main character as a joke. 

Although I disagree. I've been pushing for and trying to get Valve/Gaben to allow uncensored porn games on Steam. I think there's value to be had in such games and a market for them, and that Steam being as big as it is means that it holds a semi-monopoly on the PC market, so much so that games that otherwise wouldn't exist only exist because of Steam.

I don't think the problem was so much that games emphasizing sexual content were on Steam Greenlight, but rather that low effort games that focused solely on sexual content as a means of attracting players that would otherwise be disinterested is the problem. Basically, that people were making low effort games for a quick buck and just using sex as a means of keeping people buying games.

Or those folks can just...sell those games elsewhere like they always have been

 

Steam came about cause Valve wanted a central spot to sell their games, it then expanded to other games

Now we have several sites that is dedicated to selling games (I actually buy MORE games from Humble Bundle than from steam itself as they tend to have sales in between Valve's Sales)

Again..."Nothing stopping these folks for having their own platform, technically it already been done just it dies out cause those guys are constantly fighting each other, and also fucking over people who sell their games thru those services..."

 

[TrishaCat]

22 minutes ago, Deskai said:

Or those folks can just...sell those games elsewhere like they always have been

But that's not necessary and it only serves to benefit everyone if those were sold on the Steam store.

And in addition, I don't think what you're saying always works, especially not in the current market. To explain, there are several video games on PC now that, if Steam didn't exist, wouldn't be on PC at all. It is not a mistake to say that Steam has done wonders for PC gaming on the whole and has become a semi-monopoly on that end. This also applies to games being brought to the West from Japan. Games need to be able to be profitable in order to be brought over here. There are several games on Steam that are currently just porn games with the pornographic content stripped out. Many of these games don't have patches, and these games likely wouldn't be released in the West at all were it not for Steam since Steam is so powerful as a platform to where people don't want to get their games anywhere else. Its inconvenient getting games elsewhere, and games don't get nearly as much visibility on PC if they aren't on Steam. In other words, if it weren't for Steam, those that like these games wouldn't be able to experience them at all. I don't think that's good for anyone. And when that fact is placed alongside the fact that such games being available on Steam does not actively harm anyone, I cannot agree that such games should just be sold elsewhere.

I genuinely believe its Valve's responsibility to address this at some point as they've become too big.

Now we have several sites that is dedicated to selling games (I actually buy MORE games from Humble Bundle than from steam itself as they tend to have sales in between Valve's Sales)

Again..."Nothing stopping these folks for having their own platform, technically it already been done just it dies out cause those guys are constantly fighting each other, and also fucking over people who sell their games thru those services..."

But haven't you noticed that a good portion of games sold on Humble Bundle are just Steam keys? They keep going back to Steam one way or another.

And the latter point you're bringing up here is partially my whole point: The current market has placed Steam in such a pivotal position to where it now is almost synonymous with PC gaming. These games need to be able to survive and flourish.

[Deskai]

2 hours ago, Battlechili said:

But that's not necessary and it only serves to benefit everyone if those were sold on the Steam store.

And in addition, I don't think what you're saying always works, especially not in the current market. To explain, there are several video games on PC now that, if Steam didn't exist, wouldn't be on PC at all. It is not a mistake to say that Steam has done wonders for PC gaming on the whole and has become a semi-monopoly on that end. This also applies to games being brought to the West from Japan. Games need to be able to be profitable in order to be brought over here. There are several games on Steam that are currently just porn games with the pornographic content stripped out. Many of these games don't have patches, and these games likely wouldn't be released in the West at all were it not for Steam since Steam is so powerful as a platform to where people don't want to get their games anywhere else. Its inconvenient getting games elsewhere, and games don't get nearly as much visibility on PC if they aren't on Steam. In other words, if it weren't for Steam, those that like these games wouldn't be able to experience them at all. I don't think that's good for anyone. And when that fact is placed alongside the fact that such games being available on Steam does not actively harm anyone, I cannot agree that such games should just be sold elsewhere.

I genuinely believe its Valve's responsibility to address this at some point as they've become too big.

But haven't you noticed that a good portion of games sold on Humble Bundle are just Steam keys? They keep going back to Steam one way or another.

And the latter point you're bringing up here is partially my whole point: The current market has placed Steam in such a pivotal position to where it now is almost synonymous with PC gaming. These games need to be able to survive and flourish.

As a person who MAINLY play PC games...

"there have been other folks WELL before steam"

Steam just improved upon the system of digital downloading I should know I used to use Gamespy when it was around who had ties to Direct2Drive where my digital copy of Unreal Anthology came from along with my copy of Red Alert 1 and 2

If ValVe decided to stay on ONLY selling their own games you know what other companies would do...the same thing they are CURRENTLY doing(See Blizzard's Battle.net, EA's Origin, and Ubisoft's Uplay)
There are folks who let you download straight from them when you make a purchase (heck they use Torrents to offload the weight)

Note, humble bundle also offer on some of their games to straight up download em, their former rival GOG though...you can just download the game from them..

Steam is just a Distributor, just like GOG, and Humble Bundle, Direct2Drive etc..

If steam didnt existed we already know what would be the alternate paths would be...
So again: Nothing really stopping those folks to allow folks to buy games STRAIGHT from from their own services where they DONT have to go "hey, pay us more dollars and we'll give you the code to allow you to see under those girls clothing.

Its not Valve's job to just allow things, just like how out in public there are stores that WONT SELL A PRODUCT but another WILL or you can just instead buy that product straight from the owner's own store...

NOTE, cause I'm bound by Idola's rules I have to ask this; if VALVE does address the adult games, AND say no..."Are you gonna accept it...or continue to badger valve to accept these games already knowing they said...no"

[RTDragon]

10 hours ago, Battlechili said:

But that's not necessary and it only serves to benefit everyone if those were sold on the Steam store.

And in addition, I don't think what you're saying always works, especially not in the current market. To explain, there are several video games on PC now that, if Steam didn't exist, wouldn't be on PC at all. It is not a mistake to say that Steam has done wonders for PC gaming on the whole and has become a semi-monopoly on that end. This also applies to games being brought to the West from Japan. Games need to be able to be profitable in order to be brought over here. There are several games on Steam that are currently just porn games with the pornographic content stripped out. Many of these games don't have patches, and these games likely wouldn't be released in the West at all were it not for Steam since Steam is so powerful as a platform to where people don't want to get their games anywhere else. Its inconvenient getting games elsewhere, and games don't get nearly as much visibility on PC if they aren't on Steam. In other words, if it weren't for Steam, those that like these games wouldn't be able to experience them at all. I don't think that's good for anyone. And when that fact is placed alongside the fact that such games being available on Steam does not actively harm anyone, I cannot agree that such games should just be sold elsewhere.

I genuinely believe its Valve's responsibility to address this at some point as they've become too big.

But haven't you noticed that a good portion of games sold on Humble Bundle are just Steam keys? They keep going back to Steam one way or another.

And the latter point you're bringing up here is partially my whole point: The current market has placed Steam in such a pivotal position to where it now is almost synonymous with PC gaming. These games need to be able to survive and flourish.

There's also a problem you really still done understand the game rating it's very hard and impossible for a game to be sold if it's hit with the AO rating as well as even streaming it look at twitch list of prohibited games. that are banned from there. And there's quite a bit of anime games on there as well including Yandere Simulator.

Here a few list of those which i can see why was banned from twitch for a good reason. (Plus one on there that is known as the world's most offensive game.)

Purin to Ohuro
Purino Party
The Sakura Series (It's safe to say all of them)
The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno
Kamidori Alchemy Meister
Criminal Girls
Dramatical Murder
Suck My Dick or Die!

And let's not forget Huniepop and Hunie Cam Studio.

6 hours ago, Deskai said:

As a person who MAINLY play PC games...

"there have been other folks WELL before steam"

Steam just improved upon the system of digital downloading I should know I used to use Gamespy when it was around who had ties to Direct2Drive where my digital copy of Unreal Anthology came from along with my copy of Red Alert 1 and 2

If ValVe decided to stay on ONLY selling their own games you know what other companies would do...the same thing they are CURRENTLY doing(See Blizzard's Battle.net, EA's Origin, and Ubisoft's Uplay)
There are folks who let you download straight from them when you make a purchase (heck they use Torrents to offload the weight)

Note, humble bundle also offer on some of their games to straight up download em, their former rival GOG though...you can just download the game from them..

Steam is just a Distributor, just like GOG, and Humble Bundle, Direct2Drive etc..

If steam didnt existed we already know what would be the alternate paths would be...
So again: Nothing really stopping those folks to allow folks to buy games STRAIGHT from from their own services where they DONT have to go "hey, pay us more dollars and we'll give you the code to allow you to see under those girls clothing.

Its not Valve's job to just allow things, just like how out in public there are stores that WONT SELL A PRODUCT but another WILL or you can just instead buy that product straight from the owner's own store...

NOTE, cause I'm bound by Idola's rules I have to ask this; if VALVE does address the adult games, AND say no..."Are you gonna accept it...or continue to badger valve to accept these games already knowing they said...no"

Sadly i think battlechil will continue this considering what i mentioned in this post above the quoted topic. These days sexual content tends to be rather offputting in games these days unless it either makes sense (Instead of being fanservice) has an actual believable and reasonable plot.

[Fantasma]

If you want adult games, go ahead (even half of them seem to be pedophile fodder).

 

I don't see a reason they should be allowed on steam, it's bad for their image and puts alot of strain on the company. It's not like you can download porn videos on there, how is this different?

 

Oh! It's because these have (underaged) girls and is technically not porn due to it being drawn? How does that make sense?

[TrishaCat]

1 hour ago, RTDragon said:

There's also a problem you really still done understand the game rating it's very hard and impossible for a game to be sold if it's hit with the AO rating

Games on Steam don't actually require a rating of any kind, and Steam has allowed games rated AO on Steam regardless. Twitch isn't relevant to Steam

8 hours ago, Deskai said:

If ValVe decided to stay on ONLY selling their own games you know what other companies would do...the same thing they are CURRENTLY doing(See Blizzard's Battle.net, EA's Origin, and Ubisoft's Uplay)
There are folks who let you download straight from them when you make a purchase (heck they use Torrents to offload the weight)

Note, humble bundle also offer on some of their games to straight up download em, their former rival GOG though...you can just download the game from them..

I really think you're overly optimistic about the current status of the PC market.

The companies you're all mentioning are extremely large companies that can afford to have their own stores and still be successful (and yet despite that, many EA and Ubisoft titles are on Steam regardless). What of NIS, Idea Factory, or Spike Chunsoft? Or D3 Publisher and Koei Tecmo? XSeed? All those companies that didn't touch the PC market at all until 2013 (some of them even later). And going beyond that: Ever notice how most Final Fantasy games didn't appear on PC until 2014, and then they were ONLY hosted on Steam? That doesn't seem odd to you or telling of the current marketplace? Do you REALLY think those games would be on PC at all were it not for Steam?

8 hours ago, Deskai said:

NOTE, cause I'm bound by Idola's rules I have to ask this; if VALVE does address the adult games, AND say no..."Are you gonna accept it...or continue to badger valve to accept these games already knowing they said...no"

Honestly I would probably still bug them in the sense that I'd beg them to reconsider, but I would be more satisfied that they more directly addressed it.

[Deskai]

21 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

Games on Steam don't actually require a rating of any kind, and Steam has allowed games rated AO on Steam regardless. Twitch isn't relevant to Steam

You fell for the trap, my FAVORITE TRAP!

First link, partially true cause of the second link: they have to be listed as unrated and be censored while again offering a "patch" to uncensored the game. Hatred on the other hand....isn't a damn porn game... Its "CORE" is uncensored brutality of people being killed (see also ManHunt 2 uncut who had to accept AO rating also see GTA: San Andreas who had their rating up to AO until they patched out "Hot Coffee" but was still allowed to sell their game.)

 

The reason Twitch was brought up is cause twitch knows of that whole "unrated" bullshit hence why the hunni games are banned but not hatred

 

Steam is subjecting those folk to that, they can only sell their unrated game that is censored that way...they would have to subject themselves to ESRB to be uncensored...

[TrishaCat]

8 minutes ago, Deskai said:

The reason Twitch was brought up is cause twitch knows of that whole "unrated" bullshit hence why the hunni games are banned but not hatred

Hatred IS banned on Twitch though.

And Twitch doesn't ban unrated games. If it did its list would be significantly longer. 

[RTDragon]

3 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

Hatred IS banned on Twitch though.

Actually took a look at the recent updated list of prohibited game and it' seems it's not on there anymore. and twitch is relative to steam considering several of those games are also available on steam. So as deskai said they're aware of steam unrated stuff.

https://help.twitch.tv/customer/en/portal/articles/1992676-list-of-prohibited-games

[TrishaCat]

2 minutes ago, RTDragon said:

Actually took a look at the recent updated list of prohibited game and it' seems it's not on there anymore. and twitch is relative to steam considering several of those games are also available on steam. So as deskai said they're aware of steam unrated stuff.

https://help.twitch.tv/customer/en/portal/articles/1992676-list-of-prohibited-games

To quote your linked page:

Quote

Games are restricted from broadcast based on two criteria:

The official ESRB rating is Adults Only*

Interestingly, that was added shortly before Hatred came out, likely as a response to Hatred.

[RTDragon]

Just now, Battlechili said:

 

Interestingly, that was added shortly before Hatred came out, likely as a response to Hatred.

Nope AO been there since the ESRB was formed in 1994. So i am surprised you of all people have not realized this.

[TrishaCat]

3 minutes ago, RTDragon said:

Nope AO been there since the ESRB was formed in 1994. So i am surprised you of all people have not realized this.

No, I mean Twitch's disallowance of it being streamed on Twitch, not the ESRB rating. Twitch added its rule disallowing the streaming of AO games on May 28, 2015, 4 days before its release.

[Deskai]

5 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

Hatred IS banned on Twitch though.

And Twitch doesn't ban unrated games. If it did its list would be significantly longer. 

No, they do ban unrated games where the core is sex appeal you know if actually read the gaming content section that is placed at the end of that list. https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/983016#Gaming Content

Also...no the Adult version of Hatred is banned just like the uncut version of Manhunt 2 is banned but you can stream the regular version of manhunt 2.

 

4 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

No, I mean Twitch's disallowance of it being streamed on Twitch, not the ESRB rating. Twitch added its rule disallowing the streaming of AO games on May 28, 2015, 4 days before its release.

Actually it was  due to having problems of games having two versions of their games. Also hatred was on that list before it came out fully...

[TrishaCat]

12 minutes ago, Deskai said:

No, they do ban unrated games where the core is sex appeal you know if actually read the gaming content section that is placed at the end of that list

Ah, right, the list was non-exhaustive. My bad, you caught me there.

Also right, but you said that Hatred wasn't banned earlier, which is why I argued otherwise. "'unrated' bullshit hence why the hunni games are banned but not hatred" as well as RTDragon's "Actually took a look at the recent updated list of prohibited game and it' seems it's not on there anymore. and twitch is relative to steam considering several of those games are also available on steam."

Also I want to grab a point I missed earlier:

38 minutes ago, Deskai said:

while again offering a "patch" to uncensored the game

These patches don't always exist. Even for non-porn games. For example, I can't play the original uncut version of Mugen Souls in English on PC. It doesn't exist. That game isn't a porn game and never was. The same goes for the Agarest games.

[Deskai]

13 minutes ago, Battlechili said:

 

These patches don't always exist. Even for non-porn games. For example, I can't play the original uncut version of Mugen Souls in English on PC. It doesn't exist. That game isn't a porn game and never was. The same goes for the Agarest games.

Let me point something out: we talked of this subject before...so I'll repeat myself...a third time: The censored  content is irrelevant, they don't add to the game. You can join the others who just get the east/original version if you wish for "tits, cleavage and skimpy outfits" then proceed to play both side by side and realize other than bad translations the games play out the same....

[Deskai]

Let me add that games moved East to west is always different from obvious adult games that censor themselves and being sold under unrated...

 

You can still enjoy East to West games while those other games don't sell unless you also offer to "patch" but even then they are lackluster (oddly these games churn out games...while games admitting to be hentai/adult can have quality to em...)

 

I can understand if its plot relevant and they removed it thus messing up the story but complaining about someone's cleavage was removed is non important...

 

Or as Idola would say: "wow...you really like being a creep, rubbing women's breast, giving little girls baths, just being touchy on women in general..."

[Zeke]

Just to bring this up:

Yandere Sim's banned on twitch since it is both an open beta game that's also unrated, and certain themes that would have games like Hatred and Ride to Hell banned if the admins decided to censor ultra violence and sexual "content".

I use content loosely.

YanDev also expressed perhaps making a twitch version when he brought this up with the staff, but they didn't want to come off as enabling censorship.

 

[RTDragon]

1 hour ago, Battlechili said:

Ah, right, the list was non-exhaustive. My bad, you caught me there.

Also right, but you said that Hatred wasn't banned earlier, which is why I argued otherwise. "'unrated' bullshit hence why the hunni games are banned but not hatred" as well as RTDragon's "Actually took a look at the recent updated list of prohibited game and it' seems it's not on there anymore. and twitch is relative to steam considering several of those games are also available on steam."

Also I want to grab a point I missed earlier:

These patches don't always exist. Even for non-porn games. For example, I can't play the original uncut version of Mugen Souls in English on PC. It doesn't exist. That game isn't a porn game and never was. The same goes for the Agarest games.

Wow since your still going to drop this bomb i'm going to bring up the mugen souls one. I have the PS3 version as well as their sequel Z there's a reason the PC version is bases off the PS3 versions. I'm going to leave it there.

[Deskai]

2 hours ago, Zeke said:

Just to bring this up:

Yandere Sim's banned on twitch since it is both an open beta game that's also unrated, and certain themes that would have games like Hatred and Ride to Hell banned if the admins decided to censor ultra violence and sexual "content".

I use content loosely.

YanDev also expressed perhaps making a twitch version when he brought this up with the staff, but they didn't want to come off as enabling censorship.

 

Yea, twitch did tell em why they banned it, thus also why again you can do hatred (non adult version) and Manhunt 2 (non uncut version). Yandere simulator...just brutally murder your classmates or lock em down in your basement.

At least twitch will tell you why they banned your game to which you can try to make a twitch safe version or not....

[Zeke]

58 minutes ago, Deskai said:

Yea, twitch did tell em why they banned it, thus also why again you can do hatred (non adult version) and Manhunt 2 (non uncut version). Yandere simulator...just brutally murder your classmates or lock em down in your basement.

At least twitch will tell you why they banned your game to which you can try to make a twitch safe version or not....

 

 

The whole gist of it is that other users who have streamed your games either get reported, or the game was reported by other users. They REALLY do not have a protocol for what games are or aren't allowed, except for what the users tell them/link them to prove their point to why certain games aren't allowed.