AshleyAshes Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) 'Fetish' isn't inherently sexual by definition anyway. So yeah, you can have a transformation fetish without wanking to it but its still a fetish. Edited December 30, 2015 by AshleyAshes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said: 'Fetish' isn't inherently sexual by definition anyway. So yeah, you can have a transformation fetish without wanking to it but its still a fetish. Well, technically house hold ornaments, rosary beads and crucifixes are fetishes, because a fetish can be an item imbued with cultural significance or magic powers. I think, to avoid confusion, when people say 'fetish' nowadays we almost exclusively refer to sexual fetishes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 1 hour ago, Saxon said: Well, technically house hold ornaments, rosary beads and crucifixes are fetishes, because a fetish can be an item imbued with cultural significance or magic powers. I think, to avoid confusion, when people say 'fetish' nowadays we almost exclusively refer to sexual fetishes. Im pretty sure that when we group people with entire galleries on nonsexual bros transforming into anthropomorphic turkeys, we have no concerns with this being confused with the intents of grandmas Christian kitsch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 There's a store in my hometown that sells, no joke, Native American fetishes. I was horribly confused for the longest time. Anywho, the exact line between sexual interest and non-sexual interest is sometimes fuzzy, in my estimation, especially with how many other feelings get conflated with or mixed in with sexual arousal, and vice versa. In any case, to be clear, I'm not playing the game where fetishes are "bad" and non-sexual obsessions are "good" when I say that interests like TF can be both or either, just to be clear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 4 minutes ago, Troj said: There's a store in my hometown that sells, no joke, Native American fetishes. I was horribly confused for the longest time. Anywho, the exact line between sexual interest and non-sexual interest is sometimes fuzzy, in my estimation, especially with how many other feelings get conflated with or mixed in with sexual arousal, and vice versa. In any case, to be clear, I'm not playing the game where fetishes are "bad" and non-sexual obsessions are "good" when I say that interests like TF can be both or either, just to be clear. Well I mean tumblr artists have a black and Muslim fetish so I wouldn't be shocked tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 In the modern parlance fetish = sexual deviance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 6 hours ago, Saxon said: Well, technically house hold ornaments, rosary beads and crucifixes are fetishes, because a fetish can be an item imbued with cultural significance or magic powers. I think, to avoid confusion, when people say 'fetish' nowadays we almost exclusively refer to sexual fetishes. Which would explain why I have a problem with it being called a 'fetish' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 oh man this sure is a fun conversation about... something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 On 12/29/2015 at 3:44 PM, Zeke said: There should be a furry kink convention. And it should be called "Knot-a-con". I should make a Kickstarter for it we could host it at my house :v Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 3 minutes ago, willow said: I should make a Kickstarter for it we could host it at my house :v Make sure you have your programs ready. Like "furry sex: Fuck like your fursona in real life", "BDSM safety", "Dildos and you", "ABDL and Lolicon", "Why furries hate Cub porn", etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 minute ago, Zeke said: Make sure you have your programs ready. Like "furry sex: Fuck like your fursona in real life", "BDSM safety", "Dildos and you", "ABDL and Lolicon", "Why furries hate Cub porn", etc. oh my god i'm so triggered right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, Lizard King said: oh my god i'm so triggered right now Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, Zeke said: Good. stop oppressing me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 hour ago, PheagleAdler said: Which would explain why I have a problem with it being called a 'fetish' I've still got to say I am genuinely surprised that your fascination isn't sexual; lots of the images in your favourites [I do hope you don't mind me looking] are sensual; I would have easily interpreted them as homoerotic. I'm actually mystified about how this could appeal in an asexual way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 1 hour ago, PheagleAdler said: Which would explain why I have a problem with it being called a 'fetish' https://www.furaffinity.net/view/15687079/ I'm having trouble looking at this and imagining you successfully pulling off the 'I'm not some kind of pervert or anything!' claim. Edited December 31, 2015 by AshleyAshes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 minute ago, AshleyAshes said: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/15687079/ I'm having trouble looking at this and imagining you successfully pulling off the 'I'm not some kind of pervert or anything!' claim. On the other hand, I find it easy to see that Troj's interest in fursuiting isn't sexual, because her costumes are just...not sexually alluring in any way. Some of Pheagle's stuff almost stirs something in me, and I'm not even into transformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 6 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/15687079/ I'm having trouble looking at this and imagining you successfully pulling off the 'I'm not some kind of pervert or anything!' claim. >Gillpanda >not sexual Dude...c'mon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Saxon said: I've still got to say I am genuinely surprised that your fascination isn't sexual; lots of the images in your favourites [I do hope you don't mind me looking] are sensual; I would have easily interpreted them as homoerotic. I'm actually mystified about how this could appeal in an asexual way? Well, offhand, just look at how many ancient myths and fables involve transformation in some form or another. Physical transformation can symbolize sex, death, enlightenment, injury, or aging, or can serve as a stand-in or symbol for practically any kind of psychological, physical, or life change. For people who are into it, TF might evoke feelings of eustress (fun-fear), empowerment, disempowerment, escape, mental awakening, liberation, or subjugation, depending. TF fans might get off on the idea of people (either like them, or not like them) becoming better than than they are, or more in control, or the idea of people (again, either like themselves or not) becoming less powerful, more humbled, or less in control. Some TF fans might just like the idea of wondering what it would be like to be a different type of organism. Some might use TF to explore their own feelings about their mind and their body, both good and bad. I like TF myself--have since I was about, oh, 5 or 6 years old--and I'd even have a hard time explaining exactly why. Edited December 31, 2015 by Troj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 11 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: >Gillpanda >not sexual Dude...c'mon. Maybe you're not looking at the same image that I'm looking at? I see obsessions with locker rooms, sports wear, extreme fatness, and transformation. This shit be perverted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, AshleyAshes said: Maybe you're not looking at the same image that I'm looking at? I see obsessions with locker rooms, sports wear, extreme fatness, and transformation. This shit be perverted. I was meaning to point out the fact that he was claiming it wasn't sexual when he commissioned art from someone who literally draws nothing but fetish smut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: I was meaning to point out the fact that he was claiming it wasn't sexual when he commissioned art from someone who literally draws nothing but fetish smut. Oh. ...Okay then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 26 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/15687079/ I'm having trouble looking at this and imagining you successfully pulling off the 'I'm not some kind of pervert or anything!' claim. Past a certain point, these things are weirder if they aren't sexual. This is way past that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 9 minutes ago, Troj said: Well, offhand, just look at how many ancient myths and fables involve transformation in some form or another. Physical transformation can symbolize sex, death, enlightenment, injury, or aging, or can serve as a stand-in or symbol for practically any kind of psychological, physical, or life change. For people who are into it, TF might evoke feelings of eustress (fun-fear), empowerment, disempowerment, escape, mental awakening, liberation, or subjugation, depending. TF fans might get off on the idea of people (either like them, or not like them) becoming better than than they are, or more in control, or the idea of people (again, either like themselves or not) becoming less powerful, more humbled, or less in control. Some TF fans might just like the idea of wondering what it would be like to be a different type of organism. Some might use TF to explore their own feelings about their mind and their body, both good and bad. I like TF myself--have since I was about, oh, 5 or 6 years old--and I'd even have a hard time explaining exactly why. My motivations are...gleefully simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, Saxon said: My motivations are...gleefully simpler. Yeah in my experience it's best not to look too deep into your fetishes. Just jerk off to whatever weird shit gets you off and move on, since quite frankly that's not a part of the brain you wanna poke around in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 4 hours ago, PheagleAdler said: Which would explain why I have a problem with it being called a 'fetish' A fetish isn't always sexual by nature and requires a unhealthy fixation towards a particular thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 minute ago, Onnes said: Past a certain point, these things are weirder if they aren't sexual. This is way past that point. I knew a guy who ran a whole website for 'Giantesses'. It was a mix of art but also real photos of girls he'd hire to model to pose that they were crushing cities or people via forced perspective or visual effects. He apparently had a good run! The entire site was not sexual at all, I don't even think it had any nudity, but the whole thing was perverted. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: Yeah in my experience it's best not to look too deep into your fetishes. Just jerk off to whatever weird shit gets you off and move on, since quite frankly that's not a part of the brain you wanna poke around in. I don't think there's even a psychological consensus on the genesis of sexual fetishes, so when people do probe into their fetishes, it's usually bullshit anyway, like 'I am so into bondage because I just want to have someone captive to care about; being a master is an expression of my subconscious's inner friendliness,'. The one caveat I have to that, though, is that I find the 'trigger' hypothesis very persuasive. A fetish isn't always sexual by nature and requires a unhealthy fixation towards it. I think you're using a psychiatric definition of pathological fetishism. When furries say 'fetish' they mean kink. Edited December 31, 2015 by Saxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 3 hours ago, Saxon said: \I think you're using a psychiatric definition of pathological fetishism. When furries say 'fetish' they mean kink. Kink is just a slang term for fetish and it's easier to say than saying "My fetish is X". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) There are totally non-sexual kinksters in the kink scene. *nods* Edited December 31, 2015 by AshleyAshes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 3 hours ago, AshleyAshes said: There are totally non-sexual kinksters in the kink scene. *nods* Maybe, but that would be a longshot. :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, Zeke said: Maybe, but that would be a longshot. :V Nah, seriously. In the ABDL scene for example there's a lot who are nonsexual about it, even those who are literally asexual. I've also seen a number of people who are just into being restrained, like, just restrained, no real sexual element to it, just loss of power/control. People can get off on a lot of things other than getting off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Yeah, they've generally tried to phase fetishes/paraphilias out of the DSM, except in cases where the fetish causes harm or distress to the person, or adversely impacts their social functioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 hour ago, Saxon said: On the other hand, I find it easy to see that Troj's interest in fursuiting isn't sexual, because her costumes are just...not sexually alluring in any way. Some of Pheagle's stuff almost stirs something in me, and I'm not even into transformation. WTF is "transformation?" Do you masturbate to Optimus Prime and Megatron? 39 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said: Nah, seriously. In the ABDL scene for example there's a lot who are nonsexual about it, even those who are literally asexual. I've also seen a number of people who are just into being restrained, like, just restrained, no real sexual element to it, just loss of power/control. People can get off on a lot of things other than getting off. I don't buy this for a second. I bet when you reach into a loaded diaper you get a handful of shit and a rock hard penis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just now, #00Buck said: WTF is "transformation?" Do you masturbate to Optimus Prime and Megatron? I don't buy this for a second. I bet when you reach into a loaded diaper you get a handful of shit and a rock hard penis. This may give a good idea. NSFW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) 2 minutes ago, #00Buck said: I bet when you reach into a loaded diaper you get a handful of shit and a rock hard penis. When did I say that I was one of those nonsexual freaks? Cept the shit part, that's gross, nope, no go, yuck, hard limit. =X Edited December 31, 2015 by AshleyAshes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 1 minute ago, AshleyAshes said: When did I say that I was one of those nonsexual freaks? Cept the shit part, that's gross, nope, no go, yuck, hard limit. =X Don't deny it Ash, no one's here to judge you. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Well I am but don't think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 4 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said: When did I say that I was one of those nonsexual freaks? Cept the shit part, that's gross, nope, no go, yuck, hard limit. =X I bet you've tried it at least once. Come on. I bet you were "poo curious" at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PheagleAdler Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 10 hours ago, Saxon said: I've still got to say I am genuinely surprised that your fascination isn't sexual; lots of the images in your favourites [I do hope you don't mind me looking] are sensual; I would have easily interpreted them as homoerotic. I'm actually mystified about how this could appeal in an asexual way? Because it's fun to imagine the change? I will say I do enjoy something called 'rippage' which would be defined as growth of the body, limbs changing, etc. causing the victim's outfit (or parts of it, including shoes) to be ripped, torn apart, and/or destroyed.You're welcome to look at my favorites, IMO that's what they're there for. And I do follow a lot of artists whose quality of work I admire, unfortunately sometimes that means I look at adult pieces, but I could easily enjoy them without the content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 8 hours ago, #00Buck said: I bet you've tried it at least once. Come on. I bet you were "poo curious" at one point. di-curious haha geddit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileyWarWeasel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 This was certainly an interesting topic. That being said, it makes one wonder how many people are into the even more esoteric stuff such as transforming between liquid/gas/solid states >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said: This was certainly an interesting topic. That being said, it makes one wonder how many people are into the even more esoteric stuff such as transforming between liquid/gas/solid states >> Rubber-melting is actually a pretty popular thing: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11223533/ [safe for work, but obviously fetish] The panther's character is actually a remarkably esoteric fetish-sona; he is a partially transformative rubber hypno-panther who is sometimes a cake: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10769860/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 People turning into inanimate objects or materials like rubber is just too much for me. I like body horror to a point, but that stuff goes overboard for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Saxon said: Rubber-melting is actually a pretty popular thing: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11223533/ [safe for work, but obviously fetish] The panther's character is actually a remarkably esoteric fetish-sona; he is a partially transformative rubber hypno-panther who is sometimes a cake: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10769860/ Sure! Why the fuck not? People turning into inanimate objects or materials like rubber is just too much for me. I like body horror to a point, but that stuff goes overboard for me. You've never wanted to be a sofa? Pfffttt...casual. Edited January 1, 2016 by PastryOfApathy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Troj said: People turning into inanimate objects or materials like rubber is just too much for me. I like body horror to a point, but that stuff goes overboard for me. The rubbercat isn't inanimate, but inanimate transformation fetishes definitely exist. Sure! Why the fuck not? You've never wanted to be a sofa? Pfffttt...casual. I can imagine that one's pretty widespread actually. For example being turned into a sofa and sat on. Edited January 1, 2016 by Saxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Saxon said: The rubbercat isn't inanimate, but inanimate transformation fetishes definitely exist. I can imagine that one's pretty widespread actually. For example being turned into a sofa and sat on. Well I mean I think there's a pretty sizable difference between "being used as furniture in some kind of sub/dom bondage thing," and "literally being turned into something sold at IKEA." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: Well I mean I think there's a pretty sizable difference between "being used as furniture in some kind of sub/dom bondage thing," and "literally being turned into something sold at IKEA." The furniture at IKEA have human names for a reason. Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Saxon said: The furniture at IKEA have human names for a reason. Think about it. I thought it was common knowledge that Swedes aren't actually people. Guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: I thought it was common knowledge that Swedes aren't actually people. Guess not. I've never met anyone named Ektorp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 16 minutes ago, #00Buck said: I've never met anyone named Ektorp. Ha, du aer inte en Svensk! [that's barely swedish, I know] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 http://www.businessinsider.com/meaning-of-ikea-product-names-2013-11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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