Is there anything the TV Tropes community doesn't consider rape or misogyny? (warning: long)

[Tyranno]

At first, the TV Tropes community seemed to be a bit more sensible than sites like YouTube and IMDb. But as time goes, more and more of this illogical thinking seems to appear.

Most disturbingly everything that happens to a female character, someone claims she was raped, or that "its like she was raped" even if it was something like buying a lottery ticket that wasn't a winning ticket, and furthermore, anyone with bad intentions for a female character was intending rape even if the character clearly had other plans for every other character they showed bad intentions for - presumably, even if its a ten-year-old school bully who was only ever stealing people's lunch money, or if the show is something like SpongeBob SquarePants.

On one occassion, I remember reading about how a police officer held a woman down against a table, because she was in front of a table, while apprehending her, and it looked like some sort of rape position, somehow (even if it did, what it looked like even more was the position you'd find yourself in if you were facing a waist-height object as an officer of the law apprehended you, and look at that, that's what it actually was in context.

It was more common before the "wallbangers" page was written off, but sometimes, too often, you'd get comments like "[female character] didn't achieve something that having her achieve would have been a bad decision from a writing point of view! That's so misogynist!"

That one often came up concerning shonen anime; the myth of shonen anime being intended for any kind of mature audience is much more widely recognised as untrue, so even if someone does believe typical liberal values, shonen anime aren't required to adhere to emotionally mature standards.

Additionally, these people also ignore that merchandise-driven franchises give the most important accomplishments to the more marketable characters, and in cartoons aimed at young boys, the male heroes are usually going to be more marketable.

For comparison, I'm not terribly familiar with professional wrestling, but I'm under the impression female/female fights are pretty rare compared to male/male and female/female fights; and even when gender is a non-issue, the more marketable male character tends to beat a less marketable one, and a more marketable female character tends to beat a less marketable one.

On a final note, the "Awesome Moments" pages on many franchises, a drinking game could be made of how people list events where a female character did little or nothing, in at least one case, the character in question just made an appearance (there was no canonical reason she couldn't)

[Hux]

No.

[Vallium]

TV tropes has a community?

 

 

...also, Im not oneto be obnoxious about feminism topics, but at least with the supposed marketing tactic it is annoying that a show marketed to boys has to have boy characters, this is simply untrue;  http://www.themarysue.com/surprise-boys-like-korra/

Surprise, surprise. The old marketing tactics are just plain untrue and based on severely outdated issues on what sells, promoting a social code which doesnt need to be promoted.

 

 

So yes, something as extreme as complaining a woman not winning a lottery ticket is obnoxious to whine about misogyny, but really if youre going to defend a show that has a male lead by saying "Well its marketing it sells" ...thats another thing.

 

 

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

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[AshleyAshes]

2 hours ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

TV tropes has a community?

It's news to me too! o_O

[MalletFace]

I'm not actually sure what you're saying, but creators have been trying to imply rape and sex in their works without actually saying it for a while so they don't get censored. Just about anything can symbolize sex or rape because of that. The only thing that generally doesn't represent sex or rape is sex or rape unless the creator is just not that skilled.

Shakespeare lived during a time when sex and rape could get you censored, so he's probably one of the most well-versed in what symbolizes sex and rape. According to him, shoving a woman against something is 100% a symbol for rape and the superiority of men:

Sampson:
True; and therefore women, being the weaker vessels,
are ever thrust to the wall: therefore I will push
Montague's men from the wall, and thrust his maids
to the wall.
Gregory:
The quarrel is between our masters and us their men.
Sampson:
'Tis all one, I will show myself a tyrant: when I
have fought with the men, I will be cruel with the
maids, and cut off their heads.
Gregory:
The heads of the maids?
Sampson:
Ay, the heads of the maids, or their maidenheads;
take it in what sense thou wilt.

A lot of other things are rape and misogyny, but I'm not aware of any creator blatantly acknowledging it like Shakespeare did.

[Saxon]

5 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

It's news to me too! o_O

I think I heard they had a community before.

I haven't found TV-Tropes comments like Tyranno is talking about; it would have been useful if he had provided links to examples.
If we're going to discuss tropes about sex and gender though, then there's a furry one.

Have you ever noticed that boy cartoon animals often wear no trousers? Their female counterparts are often more completely dressed:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales

I'm not complaining about this of course. :3

 

[Socketosis]

3 hours ago, Saxon said:

Have you ever noticed that boy cartoon animals often wear no trousers? Their female counterparts are often more completely dressed:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PantslessMalesFullyDressedFemales

I'm not complaining about this of course. :3

 

Sally Acorn defied this tradition for some reason. I'm also not complaining about that. ;p

EDIT: From reading that article, I have come across this character. She's kinda hot... <_<

[Vallium]

9 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

It's news to me too! o_O

Im not necesseraly complaining or scoffing at the idea, because in theory its just as silly/believable as a furry porn site having one...Im just surprised for no reason I guess

I usually go there for information though so it hadnt occured to me that weird nerds fight about feminism on tv there

[Tsuujou]

3 hours ago, Socketosis said:

Sally Acorn defied this tradition for some reason. I'm also not complaining about that. ;p

EDIT: From reading that article, I have come across this character. She's kinda hot... <_<

Alopex gets so much good thicc fanart.