Canadian election

[Wolf-Bone]

What part ya from buddy?

believe it or not, the Annapolis Valley. i live just outside of Middleton if you wanna get into specifics. i went to school there, as well as the campus in Truro. I spend a fair bit of time around Kentville and Metro too.

[Phausk]

believe it or not, the Annapolis Valley. i live just outside of Middleton if you wanna get into specifics. i went to school there, as well as the campus in Truro. I spend a fair bit of time around Kentville and Metro too.

Ah, I'm up in Cape Breton near Sydney. It's quite shit.

[Wolf-Bone]

Ah, I'm up in Cape Breton near Sydney. It's quite shit.

wait, you mean there's a piece of the east coast that isn't? uh, where, i look literally every day man, I'm like a damn Romulan surrounded by smelly Klingons and their clannish, backwards customs.

[Gamedog]

Theres a reason east coasters choose to freeze to de-- i mean work in fort mcmurray 

[Irreverent]

Extreme? What do you call all this police brutality?

In other news, the man responsible for the single greatest violation of human rights in Canada since the October Crisis is about to become a Liberal cabinet minister.  Although as Minister of Defense, he'll be responsible for dropping bombs blankets and food on ISIS.   Come to think of it, the violation of human rights during the October Crisis was also a Liberal affair.

What do you call the entire existence of Aboriginals over however many centuries it's been?

An example of failed Liberal policy?  Its iconic that the Conservative government of the past 10 years spent more time apologizing to Aboriginals and Japanese internees and Chinese immigrants for failed Liberal policy than the Liberals have ever done.  

Canada's never confronted its hate. It's always cowered behind its lies and platitudes of multiculturalism and "tolerance",

 

And another failed Liberal policy.? But that's OK, burkas and genital mutilation and forced marriage and honour killings are OK in exchange for cultural accommodation.   Non-religious medieval tribal practices trump Federal law when the alternative is agreeing with with Conservative racists...... 

Theres a reason east coasters choose to freeze to de-- i mean work in fort mcmurray 

Don't worry, should Liberal Provincial leader Kathleen Wynn escape jail time for her role in eHealth, Orng, MaRS, Gas Plants data destruction and election tampering in Sudbury (that one is on tape) she and AB premier Knotley have a plan to allow easterners to freeze to death at home.

[Wolf-Bone]

 

In other news, the man responsible for the single greatest violation of human rights in Canada since the October Crisis is about to become a Liberal cabinet minister.  Although as Minister of Defense, he'll be responsible for dropping bombs blankets and food on ISIS.   Come to think of it, the violation of human rights during the October Crisis was also a Liberal affair.

An example of failed Liberal policy?  Its iconic that the Conservative government of the past 10 years spent more time apologizing to Aboriginals and Japanese internees and Chinese immigrants for failed Liberal policy than the Liberals have ever done.  

And another failed Liberal policy.? But that's OK, burkas and genital mutilation and forced marriage and honour killings are OK in exchange for cultural accommodation.   Non-religious medieval tribal practices trump Federal law when the alternative is agreeing with with Conservative racists...... 

 

Don't worry, should Liberal Provincial leader Kathleen Wynn escape jail time for her role in eHealth, Orng, MaRS, Gas Plants data destruction and election tampering in Sudbury (that one is on tape) she and AB premier Knotley have a plan to allow easterners to freeze to death at home.

It's been fun watching you gradually descend into utter batshit lunacy all these years Irreverent. When are you just outing yourself as the white nationalist I always pegged you for and fucking off to Stormfront already?

[Gamedog]

Don't worry, should Liberal Provincial leader Kathleen Wynn escape jail time for her role in eHealth, Orng, MaRS, Gas Plants data destruction and election tampering in Sudbury (that one is on tape) she and AB premier Knotley have a plan to allow easterners to freeze to death at home.

In the comfort of their own homes! How nice.

Once they pry their frozen carcasses off the floor, they can turn the heat back on and shove some Somalians or Syrians in there or some shit.

 

That's the liberal way!

[Irreverent]

 

It's been fun watching you gradually descend into utter batshit lunacy all these years Irreverent. When are you just outing yourself as the white nationalist I always pegged you for and fucking off to Stormfront already?

Ah yes, the traditional Canadian definition of a racist bigot....anyone using facts to win an argument with a Liberal or NDP supporter.  I guess I win.   Does this mean we can't go out for pints?

 

In the comfort of their own homes! How nice.

Once they pry their frozen carcasses off the floor, they can turn the heat back on and shove some Somalians or Syrians in there or some shit.

 

That's the liberal way!

Knotey is determined to turn AB into a have-not province, the same way McGuinty and Wynn did to Ontario.  Its the only way to stop the parasitic drag of transfer payments on their respective provinces.  The only problem is, when everyone is poor......everyone is poor.

[AshleyAshes]

Wolf-Bone is seriously mentally ill, arguing with him is really just beating  dead horse.

[Wolf-Bone]

Wolf-Bone is seriously mentally ill, arguing with him is really just beating  dead horse.

Okay forget Irreverent for now because he's just being a Canadian Anne Coulter which isn't even as good as the original version. No, let's hear it from you. Go on, psychoanalyze me. Show us your expertise!

[AshleyAshes]

 

Okay forget Irreverent for now because he's just being a Canadian Anne Coulter which isn't even as good as the original version. No, let's hear it from you. Go on, psychoanalyze me. Show us your expertise!

No real need.  You've demonstrated extensive mental instability and there's nothing anyone on this forum can really do about that.  However, your presence on this forum is only to express incessant, irrational hostility.  Your removal from this forum, frankly, is what would be best for you and the users of this forum.

[Wolf-Bone]

No real need.  You've demonstrated extensive mental instability and there's nothing anyone on this forum can really do about that.  However, your presence on this forum is only to express incessant, irrational hostility.  Your removal from this forum, frankly, is what would be best for you and the users of this forum.

Translation: I have jack shit to go on but fuck you I want you gone and I'm a crybaby, but I really do care about your well being and all, truly, I do. Not a single damn person is here for anything other than their own petty self-amusement, you included. Stop, fucking, fronting.

[RTDragon]

I'm beginning to see why your not exactly really well liked on the forums as well as FA Wolf-Bone. You seem to go off at people who have a fair argument. I assume you really can't handle anyone that says something in real life.

[Wolf-Bone]

I'm beginning to see why your not exactly really well liked on the forums as well as FA Wolf-Bone. You seem to go off at people who have a fair argument. I assume you really can't handle anyone that says something in real life.

You guys assume a lot. It's about half my issue with half the population, really. Since when is "I know you're mentally ill even though I have absolutely nothing to go on, I can tell it all from forum posts!" a fair argument though? Mental illness is when you got no grasp of reality. That's all I see on the internet, every day.

[Toboe]

Mental illness is when you got no grasp of reality. That's all I see on the internet, every day.

That's also all we can see from your posts here in phoenix.

[Wolf-Bone]

That's also all we can see from your posts here in phoenix.

The difference is I don't see myself as being here to be appraised by the likes of you or anyone. I'm just going to ask you the same thing I was asked. Who are you that I should even care? Christ almighty, if anyone can do anything other than a poorly veiled "no u!" I'll be impressed at this point.

[Zeke]

Alright folks, back on topic!

[Guest]

So didn't the elections go well? 

[AshleyAshes]

So didn't the elections go well? 

Yah, the Jays won the election, though they failed to make it to the world series and earn the leadship of the new world order.

[Kinharia]

Fuck Canada, fuck Justin, fuck liberals

 

B... but. Canada brought us Rush! Surely that is a redeeming feature?

 

[Irreverent]

So didn't the elections go well? 

Very well.  We went from a central-left government to a central-lefter government, decimating the neo-communists and French separatists  without resorting to civil war.   That's kind of a big thing on the world stage. Voter turn out was up too, about 69% which is also very encouraging.

The new government has a few challenges, the largest being how to pass a deficit budget, which is illegal under the balanced budgets Act.  New governments traditionally have a Thrown speech and budget first, but this current government will break with 148 years of tradition and is going to have to repeal a bunch of laws before they can even start to govern.   Interesting times.

And for the first time in a decade, the leader of the official opposition is actually a Canadian citizen instead of a dual citizen national like messieurs Mullclair, Dion, and Ignatieff.

 

[Gamedog]

Liberals care more about foreign immigrants than they do the inhabitants of a country

Libs will destroy canada within 1 year

theres tons of "public housing" here filled with immigrants already

All of them are poor. Bringing them here is doing them no good

 

Libs want to pull out from the war against ISIS

Pull out from that and drag syrians over

 

Weird, isnt it

thr issues of people across the globe in syria dont fucking concern me. I couldnt care less about the problems over there with "refugees", esp not when bringing thrn here will destroy my country

[Foxxy]

I work at the election the 19th. Was a good day :), but at the end it was long to check that all was there. Checking the paper for those who swear for there name was on the list but no ID on them. The paper for those who did not have their name on the list and the one for correcting their name on the list.

 

So just have to wait 4 to 6 weeks to get the 260$ for been the registrar. At lest its a direct deposit so no waiting for a check and going to the bank to change it. 

[Butters]

Libs want to pull out from the war against ISIS

Pull out from that and drag syrians over

 

Weird, isnt it

thr issues of people across the globe in syria dont fucking concern me. I couldnt care less about the problems over there with "refugees", esp not when bringing thrn here will destroy my country

put the kettle on and start making brews. :3 it'll warm em up. 

[Gamedog]

put the kettle on and start making brews. :3 it'll warm em up. 

Not a chance

They'll have more than enough time to do that when they're in taxpayer-funded housing, eating taxpayer-funded food, sitting around without a job because the shitty libs decided to drag them here, in the city with the worst unemployment rate in the entire country.

 

I want nothing to do with them. one week and the spoiled ingrates will be bitching about how there's "too many Canadians here" and "too many Canadians looking for jobs", and "too much Tim Hortons" like they did in Italy with Italians, Italians looking for jobs, and fucking pasta.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Gamedog

[Butters]

Not a chance

They'll have more than enough time to do that when they're in taxpayer-funded housing, eating taxpayer-funded food, sitting around without a job because the shitty libs decided to drag them here, in the city with the worst unemployment rate in the entire country.

 

I want nothing to do with them. one week and the spoiled ingrates will be bitching about how there's "too many Canadians here" and "too many Canadians looking for jobs", and "too much Tim Hortons" like they did in Italy with Italians, Italians looking for jobs, and fucking pasta.

I heard this phenomenon called the "native american's curse". Everything comes full circle I guess. 

[AshleyAshes]

Has anyone else noticed that he's not really changed over the years, he's just replaced 'People who have sex with dogs' with 'Brown People'?

[Derin Darkpaw]

Libs will destroy canada within 1 year

So if Canada isn't "destroyed" in a year will you actually admit to  being wrong?  Take a step back and actually think about what could prove your opinion here wrong because if your position isn't falsifiable its probably based more on rhetoric and your own biases then anything in reality.

[Gamedog]

So if Canada isnt "destroyed" in a year will you actually admit to  being wrong?  Take a step back and actually think about what could prove your opinion here wrong because if your position isn't falsifiable its probably based more on rhetoric and your own biases then anything in reality.

i live in this country and i know what the public housing here looks like

right now:

there are no jobs

the immigrants are put into taxpayer funded housing and live off of taxpayer funded food. All if their income is from welfare

due to there being no jobs, thry end up contributing nothing financially to the economy 

There id a massive amiuny of poor/honelrss people in my city who should be allowrd in those free houses but theyre being used on immigrants instead. There id a five year waiting list for housing, except if youre an immigrany ("new canadian")

Thr average person here makes around 25-27k per year

Despite lack of jobs for people already here,immigrants will be pickrd first over anyonr else when a job opens

 

Recipe for destruction

Sorry for typos i am on phone and phoenix sucks on mobile

[Toboe]

Has anyone else noticed that he's not really changed over the years, he's just replaced 'People who have sex with dogs' with 'Brown People'?

Are you saying that dogs are game for him, now? (sorry, couldn't resist...)

So if Canada isn't "destroyed" in a year will you actually admit to  being wrong?  Take a step back and actually think about what could prove your opinion here wrong because if your position isn't falsifiable its probably based more on rhetoric and your own biases then anything in reality.

Well, just gotta use the right definition of "destroyed". If necessary use inane definition or "creative" statistics/otherwise warped view of reality.

[Gamedog]

Destroyed as in ruin economy further and make it worse for canadians to live here

Already outsourced car manufacturering to mexico

"Automotive captal of canada" my ass

[Tsuujou]

i live in this country and i know what the public housing here looks like

right now:

there are no jobs

the immigrants are put into taxpayer funded housing and live off of taxpayer funded food. All if their income is from welfare

due to there being no jobs, thry end up contributing nothing financially to the economy 

There id a massive amiuny of poor/honelrss people in my city who should be allowrd in those free houses but theyre being used on immigrants instead. There id a five year waiting list for housing, except if youre an immigrany ("new canadian")

Thr average person here makes around 25-27k per year

Despite lack of jobs for people already here,immigrants will be pickrd first over anyonr else when a job opens

 

Recipe for destruction

Sorry for typos i am on phone and phoenix sucks on mobile

I'm not taking sides because I don't know dick about politics and economics. But you claim all of this...but have no credible statistics/sources cited. Something that would blow the fuck out of anyone opposing your claims with relative ease. I would think this would be relatively easy to find considering the topic.

This is a long standing issue with you and your arguments, I've noticed. You rarely back your most serious claims with any credible proof.

[#00Buck]

This should really be about that Canadian Erection. 

[Irreverent]

This should really be about that Canadian Erection. 

On November 4th, we're all screwed. 

[Gamedog]

I'm not taking sides because I don't know dick about politics and economics. But you claim all of this...but have no credible statistics/sources cited. Something that would blow the fuck out of anyone opposing your claims with relative ease. I would think this would be relatively easy to find considering the topic.

This is a long standing issue with you and your arguments, I've noticed. You rarely back your most serious claims with any credible proof.

on phone, will post later

what you want sources on?

[Caretaker]

Conservative.  I'm a gun owner....its not like I have a choice.  Sure, I could vote for Shiny Pony and the other socialists that support Greece-like economic policy that has been rejected by the EU and the rest of the Free world,  And are also pro-burka,  pro-forced marriage, pro-genital mutilation, pro-honour killing, anti-gay....and other Medieval practices that aren't really related to Islam.   After all, the Liberals under Cretien were the only government in Canadian history to force people to declare their sexual orientation (Bill C-68) to get government licenses.

....

What's a fiscally conservative, socially Libertarian to do?

Do forgive my ignorance but isn't this precisely the problem? You want to vote for someone who is likewise socially liberal (let us live our lives as we choose, and stop sticking your noses in our private business) and fiscally conservative (spend money wisely and keep taxation to a minimum) but does such a political party (much less a politician) even exist?

The media tends to compound the problem but when you look at how it paints Conservatives in the US and Canada it portrays them as stuck in the past and desperate to drag the whole country backwards. Frequently hooked in with religious hardliners who themselves are mocked as a bunch of backwards-thinking anti-science homophobic (and hypocrits desperate to force their world-view on the rest of the population. Frequently hooked with xenophobic, bigoted, racist assholes that blame the immigrants as the source of the countries economic problems - when those who are in the country legally are just trying to make a life for themselves, to get a job, pay their way and contribute to society - when those who are there illegally work hard and are treated almost like slaves.

Of course my generation sees things in a different light because different things matter to us than they do to our forbears; I look at Canada and I look at how much harder it is to legally gain permanent residence, to emigrate there now is dramatically harder than it was ten years ago, thanks to Harper. I look at how Canada is kowtowing to US policy on Copyright and imaginary property, again thanks to Harper. I look at how in ten years, Canada's telecommunications and media sector are just as much an oligopoly and overpriced mess it has always been... at this point I'm likening Harper to Australia's Tony Abbot and neither are winning my proverbial vote.

Brimelow, oddly enough, is an English immigrant to the United States of America that believes any non-white, non-Christian, or Catholic immigrants to the U.S.A. cause most, if not all, of the country's problems. That you connected 'bigot' to his statement really only highlights the kind of person he is.

There still seem to be that old guarde that assume being Catholic makes you inferior, which amuses me considering the hypocrisy.

I dunno, I mean, I think Harper's vow to revisit C-38 and to end same sex marriage in Canada was probably pretty homophobic too.  ... I'd still totally say he's a homophobe, he just knows that any visible homophobia from the party can realistically endanger any leads the party may hold at any point.

The whole same-sex marriage debate was a farce, it should have been a non-issue from the very beginning but the wrong kinds of extremists hijacked it from both sides. Marriage as churches see it and perform it, is nothing to do with the legal aspect and is a usually the joining of two souls under God. Marriage as the State sees it, is a legal status conferred to two people and provides a number of legal rights that Civil Unions/Partnerships did not provide for, including immigration and next-of-kin rights. It should really have been as simple as amending whatever law of the land to make sure that such status is not restricted to one man and one woman, irrespective of whatever they call it. It wouldn't have bothered me on iota if they called it Civil Unions or Civil Bonding Ceremony, so long as if in this example the person I marry is Canadian, it does not prevent me from moving to Canada to live with them.

I can see the concerns the Churchs have, if they are forced to go against their own privately held beliefs and hold "marriages" for same-sex couples against their own doctrines. That's not right and never was, yet it has been pushed in the US in some areas and that only drove up the tensions between two sides that otherwise need not clash at all.

I tend to hold that default view from anyone proclaiming themselves a Conservative until they prove otherwise. Call it media conditioning (although I'm fairly in the centre on average, a moderate with socalist, liberal and conservative leanings) but those of strong religious persuasion tend to go hand in hand with the socially-conservative (and conservative political parties) and they are the ones I do not trust within an asses roar of Government Power. I do not like the idea of someone imposing their choices and "morality" upon me nor curtailing my freedom to make future decisions in my own best interest. 

[AshleyAshes]

Do forgive my ignorance but isn't this precisely the problem? You want to vote for someone who is likewise socially liberal (let us live our lives as we choose, and stop sticking your noses in our private business) and fiscally conservative (spend money wisely and keep taxation to a minimum) but does such a political party (much less a politician) even exist?

Well, you have the libertarians, but they only sound good at first, then someone is like 'We shouldn't have any laws against discrimination, and the free market should decide if I can ban 'darkies' and 'chinamen' from my place business' and you realize why Libertarians never get anywhere.

Previously, Canada had two major conservative parties that leaned a bit differently, but they eventually merged to become the Conservative Part Of Canada.  There was The Reform Part of Canada (Called The Canadian Alliance party for it's last three years) which was farther right and a populist party.  Then there was the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada which was more moderate conservatives.  Both joined in 2003 to become the Conservative Party Of Canada, mixing in the right-wingers and the moderates.

[Gamedog]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-18-member-saad-khalid-fights-revocation-of-citizenship-in-latest-challenge-to-controversial-law

 

"A former business student imprisoned for his role in an al-Qaida-inspired plot to bomb downtown Toronto in 2006 has asked the Federal Court to stop the government from revoking his citizenship.

Saad Khalid, 29, is the latest to challenge a controversial law that allows federal authorities to strip convicted terrorists of their Canadian citizenship — provided they are also citizens of another country.

Prime minister-designate Justin Trudeau campaigned on a promise to repeal the five-month-old law brought in by the Conservatives. But the government has not yet given any indication it is backing off."

 

This country is going to shit.

[Irreverent]

Do forgive my ignorance but isn't this precisely the problem? You want to vote for someone who is likewise socially liberal (let us live our lives as we choose, and stop sticking your noses in our private business) and fiscally conservative (spend money wisely and keep taxation to a minimum) but does such a political party (much less a politician) even exist?

No, it doesn't exist.  At least not in an electable, politically viable way.   The closest Canada has to that is the small federal government, strong provincial government Conservatives....which have enough warts of their own to make them undesirable.  Canada's electoral choice has come down to "fiscal conservatism, socially challenged" vs "socially liberal, fiscally incompetent."  Its become a choice of  voting for "who sucks less." And given that we now have very strong centre right and centre left parties, its likely to see-saw back and forth every four years for the next generation. Unless something happens politically at the Provincial level that poisons the Federal well, I can't see there being big change any time soon.

 Frequently hooked with xenophobic, bigoted, racist assholes that blame the immigrants as the source of the countries economic problems - when those who are in the country legally are just trying to make a life for themselves, to get a job, pay their way and contribute to society - when those who are there illegally work hard and are treated almost like slaves.

 I see your point and agree.  But there's a new element in Canadian politics and its the concept of Islamist radicalization; especially within Canadians-of-convenience. Duel citizenship holders that commit acts of war or treason against Canada in their former native country.   Which delights the bigots, because they can point and shout, "see, we told you so." while making the rest of us rather uncomfortable with the fact that they may be occasionally right.  Wolf-bone's knee-jerk reaction to paint me as an ultra-left wing national socialist Stormfront supporter  is not an uncommon reaction from the centre-lef and left.

Well, you have the libertarians, but they only sound good at first, then someone is like 'We shouldn't have any laws against discrimination, and the free market should decide if I can ban 'darkies' and 'chinamen' from my place business' and you realize why Libertarians never get anywhere.
Previously, Canada had two major conservative parties that leaned a bit differently, but they eventually merged to become the Conservative Part Of Canada.  There was The Reform Part of Canada (Called The Canadian Alliance party for it's last three years) which was farther right and a populist party.  Then there was the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada which was more moderate conservatives.  Both joined in 2003 to become the Conservative Party Of Canada, mixing in the right-wingers and the moderates.

That's a pretty fair, assessment of the Candian centre-right position.   If the Federal Liberals don't replace FPTP voting, a united right wing will cause them endless grief in 4 years time.  Much of the Liberals past electoral success was due only to vote splitting on the right; not their social or economic track record.  It why they are so interested in replacing FPTP voting with mixed or proportional voting schemes  

[Derin Darkpaw]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-18-member-saad-khalid-fights-revocation-of-citizenship-in-latest-challenge-to-controversial-law

 

"A former business student imprisoned for his role in an al-Qaida-inspired plot to bomb downtown Toronto in 2006 has asked the Federal Court to stop the government from revoking his citizenship.

Saad Khalid, 29, is the latest to challenge a controversial law that allows federal authorities to strip convicted terrorists of their Canadian citizenship — provided they are also citizens of another country.

Prime minister-designate Justin Trudeau campaigned on a promise to repeal the five-month-old law brought in by the Conservatives. But the government has not yet given any indication it is backing off."

 

This country is going to shit.

Revoking citizenship in this case is an arbitrary and racially motivated punishment.  There is a reason countries tend not to banish people anymore.  It probably has something to do with it being a barbaric and unethical form of punishment.  Yes he committed a crime and he deserves to face punishment for said crime, but revoking citizenship is not appropriate.

[AshleyAshes]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-18-member-saad-khalid-fights-revocation-of-citizenship-in-latest-challenge-to-controversial-law

 

"A former business student imprisoned for his role in an al-Qaida-inspired plot to bomb downtown Toronto in 2006 has asked the Federal Court to stop the government from revoking his citizenship.

Saad Khalid, 29, is the latest to challenge a controversial law that allows federal authorities to strip convicted terrorists of their Canadian citizenship — provided they are also citizens of another country.

Prime minister-designate Justin Trudeau campaigned on a promise to repeal the five-month-old law brought in by the Conservatives. But the government has not yet given any indication it is backing off."

 

This country is going to shit.

There's actually some serious constitutional and charter issues with revocation of citizenship and to only allow a certain class of citizens to be able to have their citizenship be revoked.  Regardless of what crime an individual has committed, even while they may be punished, they are still protected by the constitution and the charter and it is perfectly reasonable, nay the entire basis of our legal system, to challenge a law that may violate one's charter or constitutional rights.  The constitution and the charter have legal supremacy over any law that may be passed by parliament and this concept is fundamental to our society.

[Gamedog]

I dont care about the rights of someone who wants to retain their citizenship solely so they can continue plotting terrorist attacks to perform in the country they wish to stay in

Send em on a boat back to middle east, remove citizenship permanently.

[AshleyAshes]

I dont care about the rights of someone who wants to retain their citizenship solely so they can continue plotting terrorist attacks to perform in the country they wish to stay in

Send em on a boat back to middle east, remove citizenship permanently.

The rule of law however will remain in effect regardless of how much you wish that Canada did not have the rule of law.  He has his rights and he has the right to challenge the laws of this nation.  He doesn't even need to be a citizen to have that right.  That's how the law works in Canada, you can challenge laws as violating other laws that have supremacy.  You can't pick and choose when the law does and does not apply, it doesn't work that way and to wish it did is an exceptionally unCanadian thing to wish for.

Edited October 30, 2015 by AshleyAshes

[Gamedog]

The rule of law however will remain in effect regardless of how much you wish that Canada did not have the rule of law.  He has his rights and he has the right to challenge the laws of this nation.  He doesn't even need to be a citizen to have that right.  That's how the law works in Canada, you can challenge laws as violating other laws that have supremacy.  You can't pick and choose when the law does and does not apply, it doesn't work that way and to wish it did is an exceptionally unCanadian thing to wish for.

It's a shame that he's already had his citizenship revoked, now isn't it?

Poor guy. He just wants to stay in Canada and continue threatening our people. Poor little baby.

[Derin Darkpaw]

Even if we completely put aside the moral implications of revoking citizenship and banishing people for committing certain crimes you have not yet addressed the most disgusting thing about this case and that is the arbitrary, bigoted, and racist nature of revoking citizenship in this case.  The punishment for the same crime should be equal to all people.  If two men commit the exact same crime they should be punished in the exact same way, but here we have a scenario in which one man committing the same crime as another is faced with a disproportionately more burdensome punishment merely based on his race. 

If a Caucasian individual born in Canada to parents who were themselves born in Canada were to commit the exact same crime do you feel like their citizenship should also be revoked?

Edited October 30, 2015 by Derin Darkpaw

[Gamedog]

lmfao... what...

how is it racist to revoke the citizenship of a foreigner who came to Canada to blow up Toronto?

 

If a white person born in saudi arabia (yes, he was born in SA) came to canada from pakistan, started warping his fucking mind with jihadist nonsense and plotting with al-qaida leaders to hurt canadians, and then goes through with a plot to blow up toronto...

yeah

yeah, id say take his fucking citizenship away. get him out of my country. let him rot in a prison in pakistan

[Derin Darkpaw]

lmfao... what...

how is it racist to revoke the citizenship of a foreigner who came to Canada to blow up Toronto?

 

If a white person born in saudi arabia (yes, he was born in SA) came to canada from pakistan, started warping his fucking mind with jihadist nonsense and plotting with al-qaida leaders to hurt canadians, and then goes through with a plot to blow up toronto...

yeah

yeah, id say take his fucking citizenship away. get him out of my country. let him rot in a prison in pakistan

So simply because some one resided in a different country 16 years ago they are deserving of a more severe punishment then some one who didn't?  Also how is country of origin even relevant to the crime committed?  It would seem to me like two individuals, one born in Canada and one not, plotting to blow up a building and murder large number of people would be equally terrible.  If the crime is equal then the punishment should be the same.

[Gamedog]

So simply because some one resided in a different country 16 years ago they are deserving of a more severe punishment then some one who didn't?  Also how is country of origin even relevant to the crime committed?  It would seem to me like two individuals, one born in Canada and one not, plotting to blow up a building and murder large number of people would be equally terrible.  If the crime is equal then the punishment should be the same.

simply because he plotted with terrorists from that country, yes

i already said that if a terrorist was in another country and attacked canada, they should have their citizenship revoked

if an american came over and plotted to blow up toronto, i'd want his citizenship removed and have his ass kicked back to america

 

i have no idea why youre implying i believe otherwise.

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It's a shame that he's already had his citizenship revoked, now isn't it?

Poor guy. He just wants to stay in Canada and continue threatening our people. Poor little baby.

Clayton, I don't think that you understand how this all works.  Firstly, one does not need citizenship to be protected by the constitution and the charter, it applies to everyone who resides within Canada's borders, even temporarily, even prisoners.  This is why it is illegal for our government to round up American tourists and enslave them in our Maple Syrup Factories.  (You would also be protected by the US Constitution if you visited America, even if you just popped across the border for a 3hr shopping trip)  He's going to be in prison in Canada for the next 14 years.  So he is stull able and legally allowed to challenge the revocation of his citizenship and should the courts decide that it is in violation of his constitutional or charter rights, then the courts can return his citizenship to him.  Again, that's how this all works legally.  His citizenship being currently revoked has not changed anything yet.  As much as you seem to want to titter about it being a 'shame' that it's 'already revoked'.

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Revoking citizenship in this case is an arbitrary and racially motivated punishment.  There is a reason countries tend not to banish people anymore.  It probably has something to do with it being a barbaric and unethical form of punishment. 

Its not racially motivated, its motivated by citizenship.  The fact that the law has only been applied to duel citizens of a certain geographic area is moot. 

Yes he committed a crime and he deserves to face punishment for said crime, but revoking citizenship is not appropriate.

Indeed.  The proscribed lawful  punishment for treason against the nation of Canada is still death by firing squad.  Given the choice, I suspect most criminals (and Canadians generally) would prefer to surrender their duel citizenship.

  The constitution and the charter have legal supremacy over any law that may be passed by parliament and this concept is fundamental to our society.

Actually, they don't.  Most Canadians are ignorant of the Notwithstanding clause; which makes the Canadian Constitution and Charter about as useful as toilet paper.  Rights are inalienable, which is what makes them "rights."  That citizens could have rights that trump the government's power terrified Trudeau Srs' Liberals and its why the Federal Liberals invented this totalitarian escape valve on the Constitution and Charter; despite strong opposition from the then PC's and NDP to drop it.  Its also one of the reasons that Canadian's don't have property rights enshrined in the Constituion; but that's another Federal Liberal debacle.

If a Caucasian individual born in Canada to parents who were themselves born in Canada were to commit the exact same crime do you feel like their citizenship should also be revoked?

The law does not allow for the revocation of citizenship where the criminal is a citizen of a single country.  Nor does it allow criminals to become stateless.  It applies only to duel citizens and citizens of convenience.  Perhaps if you had actually read the law, you'd understand this?