Canadian election

[Wrecker]

Who are you voting for?

I'm mixed between liberal and conservative, but fuck the NDP

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2015 by Wrecker

[AshleyAshes]

I'm voting for Trudeau, not Justin though, I'm voting for Pierre Trudeau.  Zombie Trudeau has the guts to look at the camera and say 'Just watch me.'  We need a leader who won't hesitate to invade Quebec when the time comes.

Edited October 19, 2015 by AshleyAshes

[Aouzy]

I'm not voting because I don't know anything about politics.

[Irreverent]

Conservative.  I'm a gun owner....its not like I have a choice.  Sure, I could vote for Shiny Pony and the other socialists that support Greece-like economic policy that has been rejected by the EU and the rest of the Free world,  And are also pro-burka,  pro-forced marriage, pro-genital mutilation, pro-honour killing, anti-gay....and other Medieval practices that aren't really related to Islam.   After all, the Liberals under Cretien were the only government in Canadian history to force people to declare their sexual orientation (Bill C-68) to get government licenses.

Maybe its better to be a bigot?  Mark Twain had it right.  A racist bigot is anyone winning an argument with a Liberal or Socialist. 

But I'm also the 2% that Turdo wants to tax. I pay more in taxes than the average family of 4 socialists makes net....and for the last 20 years too.   Millions on welfare depend on me! :v

What's a fiscally conservative, socially Libertarian to do?

 

[Onnes]

I'm not voting because I don't know anything about politics.

Sounds like someone is gunning for American citizenship.

[#00Buck]

Who are you voting for?

I'm mixed between liberal and conservative, but fuck the NDP

 

 

 

 

 

If you enjoy being on welfare you can vote Liberal. 

If you want to still have an economy it's Conservative. 

[MalletFace]

Maybe its better to be a bigot?  Mark Twain had it right.  A racist bigot is anyone winning an argument with a Liberal or Socialist.

I'm just popping in because I am "that guy." You know! The one that everyone loves at parties.

Twain would have been smarter than to say this because he was not only a liberal in his time, but Twain also frequently let it be known when he thought a person was a racist or bigot. Many of his most famous quotes actually target specific people in his time as racists or bigots. Making that statement would have opened him up to attacks.

Peter Brimelow actually said that. The full of what he said was that "the modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal."

Brimelow, oddly enough, is an English immigrant to the United States of America that believes any non-white, non-Christian, or Catholic immigrants to the U.S.A. cause most, if not all, of the country's problems. That you connected 'bigot' to his statement really only highlights the kind of person he is.

Edited October 19, 2015 by MalletFace

[#00Buck]

I'm just popping in because I am "that guy." You know! The one that everyone loves at parties.

Twain would have been smarter than to say this because he was not only a liberal in his time, but Twain also frequently let it be known when he thought a person was a racist or bigot. Many of his most famous quotes actually target specific people in his time as racists or bigots. Making that statement would have opened him up to attacks.

Peter Brimelow actually said that. The full of what he said was that "the modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal."

Brimelow, oddly enough, is an English immigrant to the United States of America that believes any non-white, non-Christian, or Catholic immigrants to the U.S.A. cause most, if not all, of the country's problems. That you connected 'bigot' to his statement really only highlights the kind of person he is.

Totally not relevant. None of the people you mention are Canadian. 

[AshleyAshes]

After all, the Liberals under Cretien were the only government in Canadian history to force people to declare their sexual orientation (Bill C-68) to get government licenses.

Maybe its better to be a bigot?  Mark Twain had it right.  A racist bigot is anyone winning an argument with a Liberal or Socialist.

I dunno, I mean, I think Harper's vow to revisit C-38 and to end same sex marriage in Canada was probably pretty homophobic too.  This was admittedly back when he lead the Progressive Conservatives, which no longer exists anymore.  And I admit that he won't allow any far right conservatives in the party attempt to bring up same sex marriage or abortion out of a very practical fear of alienating moderate conservatives... But I'd still totally say he's a homophobe, he just knows that any visible homophobia from the party can realistically endanger any leads the party may hold at any point.

Edited October 19, 2015 by AshleyAshes

[Wrecker]

What's a fiscally conservative, socially Libertarian to do?

I'm in the same bracket, the bottom end of it at this moment. I'm liable to get fucked for voting Liberal in that sense.

This is where I'm mixed up, there are quite a few aspects of the Liberal platform that I agree with. I have more in common with them than the Conservatives, but it feels like voting for them might jeopardize my job.

On the other side of the coin, the NDP rolled into this province at the worst possible time and taxed the living fuck out of our oilsands. I keep hearing from real good friends, guys that have wives and young kids at home, begging me to find somewhere for them to fire out a resume... I have nowhere to direct them. Last year, everybody and their brother was looking for workers... The fact I still have a job to go back to after I get my ticket is, well, it seems like pure luck.

There's a lot going on in this country right now.

I just want these pipelines to happen.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Wrecker

[Phausk]

Not voting. I don't know shit about politics or the people running, so it would just be a wasted vote.

[PheagleAdler]

Conservative.  I'm a gun owner....its not like I have a choice.  Sure, I could vote for Shiny Pony and the other socialists that support Greece-like economic policy that has been rejected by the EU and the rest of the Free world,  And are also pro-burka,  pro-forced marriage, pro-genital mutilation, pro-honour killing, anti-gay....and other Medieval practices that aren't really related to Islam.   After all, the Liberals under Cretien were the only government in Canadian history to force people to declare their sexual orientation (Bill C-68) to get government licenses.

Maybe its better to be a bigot?  Mark Twain had it right.  A racist bigot is anyone winning an argument with a Liberal or Socialist. 

But I'm also the 2% that Turdo wants to tax. I pay more in taxes than the average family of 4 socialists makes net....and for the last 20 years too.   Millions on welfare depend on me! :v

What's a fiscally conservative, socially Libertarian to do?

 

...here we go...I'm going to make it perfectly clear that I strongly disagree with your type of thinking...you know, the kind that glorifies guns and dislikes all forms of socialism, even if it's beneficial to yourself.

Don't get me started on bigotry. Why do it? Because you can? Over superficial differences?

[AshleyAshes]

I'm not voting because I don't know anything about politics.

Not voting. I don't know shit about politics or the people running, so it would just be a wasted vote.

Considdering how the federal, provincial, and municipal governments influence almost everything about your daily lives, from access to education, to quality of public transportation, to how you are taxed at the grocery store to the quality of your healthcare and about a bazillion other things, maybe you guys should crack open some news websites, educate yourselves on who's and how all of these systems of your lives are being run and invest yourselves into the democratic process.

[Phausk]

 

Considdering how the federal, provincial, and municipal governments influence almost everything about your daily lives, from access to education, to quality of public transportation, to how you are taxed at the grocery store to the quality of your healthcare and about a bazillion other things, maybe you guys should crack open some news websites, educate yourselves on who's and how all of these systems of your lives are being run and invest yourselves into the democratic process.

I can't even motivate myself to learn about things I'm interested in, let alone politics. Besides, I don't have much faith in them being honest about what they'll say they do anyway. You also have all of these people arguing with each other about how every group is the devil and the people who vote for them are idiots. It just looks like a giant clusterfuck full of shitflinging and drama everywhere, from my perspective at least.

But yes, I understand that your point is that all of this affects me and I should be taking part in it for my own good. Yet I'm not.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Phausk

[Irreverent]

I dunno, I mean, I think Harper's vow to revisit C-38 and to end same sex marriage in Canada was probably pretty homophobic too.  This was admittedly back when he lead the Progressive Conservatives, which no longer exists anymore.  And I admit that he won't allow any far right conservatives in the party attempt to bring up same sex marriage or abortion out of a very practical fear of alienating moderate conservatives... But I'd still totally say he's a homophobe, he just knows that any visible homophobia from the party can realistically endanger any leads the party may hold at any point.

No doubt that he (or at least a large part of the base) is homophobic.  I suppose the difference is in the implementation.  The Liberals actually drafted and promulgated legislation designed to alienate gays.  Its the law of the land.   When Harper lead the Reform, he just talked about.  The fact that the CPC has had plenty of opportunity since and done nothing, suggests its now a none starter.

...here we go...I'm going to make it perfectly clear that I strongly disagree with your type of thinking...you know, the kind that glorifies guns and dislikes all forms of socialism, even if it's beneficial to yourself.

Don't get me started on bigotry. Why do it? Because you can? Over superficial differences?

Glorify guns?  Actually quite the opposite.  Can you name a single government service in your country, where you must, under threat of punishment (fines and incarceration) declare your sexual orientation (and name your last three partners, thus outing them too) to get access to government services?

All Canadians are socialists; even our Conservatives are to to the left of the US Democrats on social policy.  There's never been a move to eliminate our cradle to grave health care, education and welfare systems; despite the hyperbol and talk in the Toronto (Red) Star.  The Liberals have made more funding cuts to the CBC than any other party combined....and the CPC gets the blame.  The Liberals have Prorogued Parliament more than all other governments on the planet combined, but when the CPC does it once suddenly Canada is a dictatorship?  Such is the Dao of Canadian politics. 

Edited October 19, 2015 by Irreverent

[AshleyAshes]

After all, the Liberals under Cretien were the only government in Canadian history to force people to declare their sexual orientation (Bill C-68) to get government licenses.

The Liberals actually drafted and promulgated legislation designed to alienate gays.

Can you give more context to this?  I can't find ANYTHING about Bill C-68 instituting individuals needing to provide sexual orientation information when applying for gun licenses.  I can't find anything about sexual orientation in relation to C-68 at all when I google.

[Irreverent]

 

Can you give more context to this?  I can't find ANYTHING about Bill C-68 instituting individuals needing to provide sexual orientation information when applying for gun licenses.  I can't find anything about sexual orientation in relation to C-68 at all when I google.

 

Probably because C-68 was the Liberal bill, and the Firearms Act is the actual law.  Its there, but they did a very good job of hiding it.  You can find it on this form here, specifically sections D.  E and F.  To get a license, you must name your current conjugal partner, and all conjugal partners in the last three years.  And they will be contacted if they don't sign the form.

My name is Mike.  My current partner is Sue.  My other partners in the  last two years were Mary, Gail and Jane.  What's my orientation?
My name is Bill.  My current partner is Todd.  My other partners in the  last two years were Tom, Dick and Harry. What's my orientation? (and what's the orientation of Todd, Tom, Dick and Harry?)

Remember, this information is in CPIC (and a dozen other loosely coupled provincial police and health care systems) for ever. 

And then there's Section 106 of the Firearms Act, which makes it an offense (you get a record) for lying on the form.  I think its up to $5000 in fines and/or 3 years incarceration.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Irreverent

[Moogle]

> Never received voting card
> No photo ID
> No mail with my name on it to my address (moved recently)

I'm a responsible adult who doesn't know how to update anything, heck even my health card expired last month. Sorry liberals, you won't be getting a vote from me this year.

[AshleyAshes]

Probably because C-68 was the Liberal bill, and the Firearms Act is the actual law.  Its there, but they did a very good job of hiding it.  You can find it on this form here, specifically sections D.  E and F.  To get a license, you must name your current conjugal partner, and all conjugal partners in the last three years.  And they will be contacted if they don't sign the form.

My name is Mike.  My current partner is Sue.  My other partners in the  last two years were Mary, Gail and Jane.  What's my orientation?
My name is Bill.  My current partner is Todd.  My other partners in the  last two years were Tom, Dick and Harry. What's my orientation? (and what's the orientation of Todd, Tom, Dick and Harry?)

Remember, this information is in CPIC (and a dozen other loosely coupled provincial police and health care systems) for ever. 

And then there's Section 106 of the Firearms Act, which makes it an offense (you get a record) for lying on the form.  I think its up to $5000 in fines and/or 3 years incarceration.

Uhm... Seriously?  This is your definition of 'Homophobia' as carried out by the CLP?  Like... This is just... You're really, really, REALLY making a stretch here.  Firstly, they're asking regardless of sexual orientation, so they're also listing heterosexual 'conjugal partners' which uses the same definition as Revenue Canada does, those you are married to or who are living in common law with.  Which, to be clear, same sex common law marriages didn't exist in Canada prior to the passing of C-38 in 2005, under Paul Martin.  From 1995 when C-68 was passed until 2005, same sex marriages or or common law marriages didn't legally exist in Canada.

I mean, COME ON.  If you want to make a criticism of the liberal party you can find lots of ways to do that but not with this, this is just grasping at straws.

> Never received voting card
> No photo ID
> No mail with my name on it to my address (moved recently)

I'm a responsible adult who doesn't know how to update anything, heck even my health card expired last month. Sorry liberals, you won't be getting a vote from me this year.

Did you sign a lease?  Your lease will work as it has your address on it.  None of your ID needs to be photo ID.  I used a credit card and my chequebook.

http://elections.ca/content2.aspx?section=id&document=index&lang=e

[Moogle]

 

Did you sign a lease?  Your lease will work as it has your address on it.  None of your ID needs to be photo ID.  I used a credit card and my chequebook.
http://elections.ca/content2.aspx?section=id&document=index&lang=e

Oh really? That might actually work out then! I've got 2 pieces of ID, I'll have to get my step dad to come with me so I can do option #3 & take an oath. Huzzah! All hope is not lost. Thanks kindly for the info + link, Ashley!!

Edit: Voted! Was a bit of back and forth, but so worth it.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Moogle

[AshleyAshes]

Oh really? That might actually work out then! I've got 2 pieces of ID, I'll have to get my step dad to come with me so I can do option #3 & take an oath. Huzzah! All hope is not lost. Thanks kindly for the info + link, Ashley!!

Edit: Voted! Was a bit of back and forth, but so worth it.

Yay Canadian Democracy! :3

[Gamedog]

Conservatives 

[Irreverent]

 From 1995 when C-68 was passed until 2005, same sex marriages or or common law marriages didn't legally exist in Canada.

Exactly.  How many gays do you thing applied for RPALS before 2005?  How many applied after?  The numbers are illuminating.  To-day, the gay community is the fastest growing segment of the shooting sports.  Dual income and no kids helps, its still a rich mans sport. 

Staunch Catholics like Justice Ministers Allen Rock and Anne McClellan did everything in there power to silently punish gays, while hypocritically painting the Reform as homophobic.  And not just guns.  Adoption rules, benefits, all sorts of things.  Its how the Liberals have done business in Canada since the time of Laurier.  Its what they do.

I mean, COME ON.  If you want to make a criticism of the liberal party you can find lots of ways to do that but not with this, this is just grasping at straws.

I suppose the fact that the Liberals were lining up bribes (yes, bribes, because no one was registered as a lobbyist)  four days before the election isn't good enough?  Dan Gagnier's actions make the  Duffy scandal seem like a piffle.  Its not like Dan Gagnier was head of the federal Liberal campaign....oh, right....he was co-head.  Duffy-gate, $90,000 dollars of private money used to repay a public dept.  AdScam, $440M dollars siphoned to Liberal operatives, not a dollar repaid.....

On the bright side, if the Liberals form a minority government tonight, they're done on November 18th.  That's the day Gerry Lougheed roles over in open court on Wynn.  And its mostly Wynn's team that ran Trudeau's campaign.  If the federal Liberals fall on the thrown speech or budget, they wont be able to run a federal campaign with most of their election team indited in Ontario....too toxic to touch. 

Edit: Voted! Was a bit of back and forth, but so worth it.

Good on ya, Moogle!  Well done!

[Kinharia]

I know nothing on Canadian Internal or External politics, I have heard that the Liberals won the election and ended 9 years of conservative rule though. I wish the best for your Country as I honestly haven't got a clue about how any of your parties work I just know that most Canadian tourists I've met are lovely people.

[Irreverent]

I know nothing on Canadian Internal or External politics, I have heard that the Liberals won the election and ended 9 years of conservative rule though.

 A new regime will take office after being sworn in, and a new cabinet named.  For socialists and other progressives, its a very good day indeed.  For financially conservatives, its a very bad day.  For social conservatives and other leftists and religious groups, its the end of days.  The exception to that might be the Sharists and Islamists that had a rather large win yesterday.  But most Canadians will fall somewhere in the mushy middle. 

I'm very conflicted because, while I'm pro gay, pro-pot, pro-choice, pro environment and pro rights, I'm also a gun owner (a typical scapegoat up here) and I'm not sure that Greece's fiscal policy of high taxes and high deficits is the best model for Canada.  Other than North Korea, the rest of the world has abandoned that fiscal policy.  And we don't have an EU to bail us out.

The Liberal party has typically been a very poor manager of the country's finances.  They once paid $1Billion dollars to cancel a helicopter contract for zero helicopters.  They spent $750M on 4 used Subs that can't submerge to operating depth despite $2Billion in upgrades to date.  They spent close to $2Billion (audited,) on gun control that was really a make work project for a closed military base in New Brunswick.

And just this morning, they announced that they will scrap the F-35 acquisition project, pay the cancellation costs (TBD) and start over again.  Hopefully we don't have to pay $500M for zero jets.....this time.

 

I wish the best for your Country as I honestly haven't got a clue about how any of your parties work

We're a constitutional monarchy, based on the Westminster Parliamentary system.   Unlike a republic, the Queen is still the figurative head of our government, and we're still subjects of the Commonwealth.  But day to day, we have a parliament (house of representatives)  and senate that's not that different from the USA.  Both houses have speakers, party house leaders and party whips.  Our senate is appointed, not elected, and sit until age 75.  Our Supreme Court is also appointed.  Instead of Executive Orders, we have Orders in Council but its fundamentally the same thing.  There's a bit more pomp and circumstance to our system, but bills and laws and committees work much the same.  The main difference is that we don't have an Electoral College.   Canadians don't vote directly for a Prime Minister, the party with the most seats in the lower house typically forms the government and its leader becomes PM.

I just know that most Canadian tourists I've met are lovely people.

Come on up, we'll leave a light on for ya.

[Gamedog]

I camt wait for mass immigration to my city with the worst unemployment rate in the entire country 

[AshleyAshes]

I camt wait for mass immigration to my city with the worst unemployment rate in the entire country 

Oh, when did you move to Windsor?
http://windsorstar.com/news/windsor-again-no-1-with-unemployment-but-its-worse-than-that

[Vitaly]

There is only one ruler of Canada, peasants

Edited October 20, 2015 by Vitaly

[AshleyAshes]

There is only one ruler of Canada, peasants

Pfft, ONLY if you go by what the constitution says!  ...Oh wait yeah, what that says really does go for the most part.

[Gamedog]

Oh, when did you move to windsor?http://windsorstar.com/news/windsor-again-no-1-with-unemployment-but-its-worse-than-that

for someone wgo acts like they know everything about me, you sure dont know much!

cant wait for the labor jpbs out in leamington to be taken up by cheap immigrant labor while the libs enforce unions on everyone else

Windsor is automotive capital and yet thry outsource to mexico

Hahha

Edited October 20, 2015 by Gamedog

[Irreverent]

Oh, when did you move to Windsor?http://windsorstar.com/news/windsor-again-no-1-with-unemployment-but-its-worse-than-that

Windsor is bad, but Leamington is rapidly starting to "ketchup."  (too soon?)  ;p

There is only one ruler of Canada, peasants

Which is why I want to be a republican, but that just confuses the Toronto Star readers and CBC watchers. ;p

Edited October 20, 2015 by Irreverent

[Gamedog]

Omfg you fucker that was great

[Butters]

I heard the liberals won. 

[Taralack]

I hear he's the world's first openly bishounen president

[Irreverent]

I heard the liberals won. 

Yes they did.  The rein of error has begun and the election campaign started on the 20th.

I hear he's the world's first openly bishounen president

His parents, Maggie and Mick are very proud :V

[AshleyAshes]

Yes they did.  The rein of error has begun and the election campaign started on the 20th.

His parents, Maggie and Mick are very proud :V

Eh, we've had a good share of scandals with both the Conservatives and the Liberal party.  While I didn't vote NDP, I have to admit that maybe it's time that Canadians gave their party a chance to have a federal level scandal.  Maybe one day we can watch proudly as an NDP prime minister tries to explain how all hydro electric power rights for Newfoundland and Labrador came to be sold to Sealand or something.

[Irreverent]

Eh, we've had a good share of scandals with both the Conservatives and the Liberal party.  While I didn't vote NDP, I have to admit that maybe it's time that Canadians gave their party a chance to have a federal level scandal.  Maybe one day we can watch proudly as an NDP prime minister tries to explain how all hydro electric power rights for Newfoundland and Labrador came to be sold to Sealand or something.

Scandal or not, If the Liberals replace first past the post with something else, there will never, every be any government but Liberals again.   Preferential balloting was designed to eliminate the chance of a right of centre government ever being elected again.  The conservatives pick themselves first and the liberals second.  The liberals pick themselves first and the ndp second.  The ndp pick themselves first and the liberals second.  Who gets picked 1st or 2nd  all three times?

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/trudeau-announcing-plan-to-kill-first-past-the-post-by-the-next-election

It is amusing to watch the Liberals call the 2011election 39.6% popular vote Conservative win "the death of democracy" and their 2015 39.5% popular vote win a "Landslide victory."  The village idiots at the Toronto Star are stampeding like lemmings.  

Edited October 23, 2015 by Irreverent

[AshleyAshes]

 

It is amusing to watch the Liberals call the 2011election 39.6% popular vote Conservative win "the death of democracy" and their 2015 39.5% popular vote win a "Landslide victory."  The village idiots at the Toronto Star are stampeding like lemmings.  

It's how it always works. The side that doesn't win ALWAYS says the system is broken... Until the system let's them win.

Both the Liberals and the Conservatives have spoken of the undemocratic nature of the Canadian Senate while they were the official opposition.  When ever they are in power and stacking the senate with senators of their persuasion, suddenly the senate is a 'Canadian Tradition' or something.

[Irreverent]

It's how it always works. The side that doesn't win ALWAYS says the system is broken... Until the system let's them win.

Both the Liberals and the Conservatives have spoken of the undemocratic nature of the Canadian Senate while they were the official opposition.  When ever they are in power and stacking the senate with senators of their persuasion, suddenly the senate is a 'Canadian Tradition' or something.

Pretty much.  I can't see the Libs following up on their promise to reform the senate until late into their mandate.  The last two attempts at constitutional reform failed rather spectacularly in Quebec.

 

[Wolf-Bone]

I have the perfect solution to Canada's problem. Every 10th member of every political body, impaled through the skull, spaced out nice and even along either side of the trans-Canada highway. After our own version of Isis takes over because like the original Isis, they hate Canada and its history just that much. They'd erase all history like the Kmher Rouge tried to do and probably plunge the previous generation into abject poverty just to let them know how it tastes. I always believed we were a nation based on pure and utter hatred and just one day decided we ought to drop the charade and just be the country we were always meant to be...

[AshleyAshes]

Dude...

[Wolf-Bone]

Extreme? What do you call all this police brutality? What do you call the entire existence of Aboriginals over however many centuries it's been? Canada's never confronted its hate. It's always cowered behind its lies and platitudes of multiculturalism and "tolerance", as if it's somehow inherently noble to merely tolerate those your ancestors decided centuries ago were "other". Fuck Canada. I'd sooner defect to the U.S just because at least for all its problems, some Americans actually have balls and want to fight.

[Onnes]

I'm rather certain that decimating the Canadian government and displaying their mutilated bodies along the side of the highway is objectively extreme.

[Wolf-Bone]

I'm rather certain that decimating the Canadian government and displaying their mutilated bodies along the side of the highway is objectively extreme.

It is. But you look at ancient great civilizations like the Romans, Babylonians, Egyptians et all and it seems they all had to engage in a little barbarism to bring said barbarians to civilization. They went way too far with it of course. I figure Canada's new regime would be a bit more like Caesar's Legion, mostly doing it to protect trade routes and the like.

[AshleyAshes]

Wolf-Bone... You need to make better use of Canada's mental healthcare system.  o_o

[Wolf-Bone]

Wolf-Bone... You need to make better use of Canada's mental healthcare system.  o_o

What mental health system?! Come to Nova Scotia, just check us out, we're brilliant over here.

[Zerig]

hhhhhhhhhhHAHAHAHAHA

[Wolf-Bone]

His feet are as pretty as his face. His new Muslim friend seems to agree!

[Gamedog]

Fuck Canada, fuck Justin, fuck liberals

 

Keep in mind that here, we have this employment bullshit where if you belong to a minority group, you will get chosen before someone else who is more qualified, simply because you belong to that group

 

I cant wait to go collect food stamps!

Edited October 24, 2015 by Gamedog

[Phausk]

 

What mental health system?! Come to Nova Scotia, just check us out, we're brilliant over here.

What part ya from buddy?