Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 RTS games, man. I can't, I just... can't. I want to but goddamn.Basically I've tried learning this genre and I guess I made a somewhat similar thread before but fuck it. I just can't keep track of all that shit on the screen, I can't build things fast enough and I can't spam units to defeat the enemy before they spam me first so I gotta save scum like a motherfucker and it seems like a hopeless fucking cause, AUGH. And I'm usually GOOD at video games, I've beaten Doom II on nightmare mode for fuck's sake.Which is a shame, because at least Red Alert is fun, I love it, but I'm so terribad at RTSes. I dunno what to do, I watch videos on YouTube to learn strategies but they still seem to manage it so effortlessly while I still suck hard, regardless of wether I play on normal or hard.I need a Jedi master or someone. Somebody please make me your padawan, I'm going fucking crazy. ;w;Also:kill me plz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) Fact: RTS is the only genre that's actually difficult. You've just become overly used to casual games, and garnered a false sense of your own skills :vReally, though. RTS games are hard. It's why they're not very popular these days. I still recommend you give Starcraft II a try. A real try. For some reason I feel you'd enjoy it a lot if you gave it a good chance.Starcraft is one of, if not the best RTS out there. Outside of that though, Starcraft has the biggest community out of any other RTS around. You'd be able to find more people able to give advice and help out. And trust me - the Starcraft community is surprisingly willing to help each other to learn and improve. Not forgetting to mention all the good streamers that can also be super helpful!For RTS games though, the best method of improving is to just... practice. And have fun. Like with any thing!Also - fk ponies Edited November 15, 2015 by Hewge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 memorising hotkeys is a pain in the cock i should go back to Mowas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The secret to RTSing is LAN parties and practice. Took me a solid hundred hours to not be turd at Age of Empires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 The secret to RTSing is LAN parties and practice. Took me a solid hundred hours to not be turd at Age of Empires.I arrived way too late at the party since the games I play are roughly 20 years old. :[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I arrived way too late at the party since the games I play are roughly 20 years old. :[That's not a bad thing. If they're good games then there will be tons of guides and community support for them. What games do you play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 That's not a bad thing. If they're good games then there will be tons of guides and community support for them. What games do you play?I've been obsessing over the Command & Conquer series 'cause that was the RTS I played the most as a kid before I just kinda lost interest in the genre and stuck to console games.I did beat the first one but fuck me is was it hard. I'm on Red Alert now and I think it's the 5th or 6th mission that is driving me fucking crazy. >w< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 C&C GENERALS IS BEST C&C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) Generals was my favourite, too. Played that loads as a kid.Zero Hour was the jazz... but that superweapons chick was OP as heck Edited November 15, 2015 by Hewge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 We should all play C&C together, it'll be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 C&C GENERALS IS BEST C&CReally? I was only going to play the freeware ones 'cause they're the only games that strike me as remotely interesting... well, maybe also C&C3 and Red Alert 3 but I'm not sure why the spinoffs are interesting? I'm still a n00b to the franchise.We should all play C&C together, it'll be fun.But how, C&C isn't on Steam and origin blows chunks. CnCnet, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 We should all play C&C together, it'll be fun.Can you even digitally download it anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Really? I was only going to play the freeware ones 'cause they're the only games that strike me as remotely interesting... well, maybe also C&C3 and Red Alert 3 but I'm not sure why the spinoffs are interesting? I'm still a n00b to the franchise.C&C:G was just really well made. I admit I'm not much of a C&C vet to say why it's so great but other than that I think Red Alert 2 is the most popular one. Can you even digitally download it anywhere...I have my physical copy with Zero Hour. That's 4 discs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Can you even digitally download it anywhere...Tiberian Dawn (original CNC), Red Alert and Tiberian Sun are freeware and can be found here: http://cnc-comm.com or cncnet.org.Red Alert 2 is a bit trickier but currently it's an On The House Deal on EA's origin story... but that also means it's the hardest game to run rofl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 And he delivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) And he delivers.Sadly it won't make me suck less at the campaign in the C&C games because it's not authentic to the originals but otherwise it seems like a cool app, yeah. Even has Dune 2000 which is a bit hard for me to run in Wine (I'm a Mac user). Edited November 15, 2015 by Kellie Gator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Would we even be able to play these online together? These games from the ancient... LAN times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Well, because Hewge won't stop pestering me about it I'm trying to download the free version of Starcraft II... which is apparently 20gb holy fucking shit.I should upgrade my hard drive someday but SSDs are pricey and I got cons and name changes to worry about. ;w;...and now we're back to the pony pic in the first post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) I failed the 9th grade for the first Command & Conquer. ...Seriously. Edit: GOD DAMNIT! THE : X EMOTICON IS NOT A LOVEY DOVEY EMOTICON! WHY DOES THIS FORUM DO THAT!? I WANT TO FILE A FORMAL COMPLAINT! Edited November 15, 2015 by AshleyAshes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuujou Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I just stick to Advance Wars and Fire Emblem, but only because Fire Emblem is just Advance Wars with swords. I can't do strategy honestly. Typically, I just don't find them fun at all, but I was never too good at the tactical sort of strategy.I get booty blasted by Advance Wars though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 So I just tried Starcraft II, it was actually kind of awesome but I dunno how I'm supposed to memorize everything since all three factions work differently and the game in general has a more complex system than the old 90's RTSes I'm used to playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Well, because Hewge won't stop pestering me about it I'm trying to download the free version of Starcraft II... which is apparently 20gb holy fucking shit.Do you live in Europe? I'll happily suck at SC2 with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) Do you live in Europe? I'll happily suck at SC2 with you.I'm Swedish so I guess we're good to go. :3My battle.net is kelliegator Edited November 15, 2015 by Kellie Gator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revates Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 If you're willing to deal with me we can also suck together. :3 Also the best way to play is to just select all units and attack command the enemy base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I'm Swedish so I guess we're good to go. :3My battle.net is kelliegatorAh cool, what's your # number on the end?If you're willing to deal with me we can also suck together. :3 Also the best way to play is to just select all units and attack command the enemy base. 1. Press F22. Hold shift and select all miners3. Press A4. Click somewhere around the enemy base5. ???6. Cry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Ah cool, what's your # number on the end?Shit, forgot that. #2192. You should be good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Shit, forgot that. #2192. You should be good to go.Thanks, I'll try and get on some time soon Busy times at uni at the moment but I might manage to get on tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 So I just tried Starcraft II, it was actually kind of awesome but I dunno how I'm supposed to memorize everything since all three factions work differently and the game in general has a more complex system than the old 90's RTSes I'm used to playing. Yessss! I told you! Like others have said, just pick a race you think you'd like, and play it a lot! Check out their forums for advice and guides. I'd recommend checking this guide out.Also - That feel when you were the one preaching Starcraft, but end up not being able to play with anyone. I'd get like 500ms on the EU servers :[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Welp we managed to obliterate 3 protoss ai with zealots, dragoons and probes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Original starcraft or gtfo plzI have fond memories of command and conquer when it originally came out. Flame tanks, full motion video mission briefings, scorpions and lazers. And never forget the lowly technician, with whom i once finished a mission because the only living enemy was a harvester that was out of tiberium to go after. Also try total annihalation or supreme commander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileyWarWeasel Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Original starcraft or gtfo plzI have fond memories of command and conquer when it originally came out. Flame tanks, full motion video mission briefings, scorpions and lazers. And never forget the lowly technician, with whom i once finished a mission because the only living enemy was a harvester that was out of tiberium to go after. Also try total annihalation or supreme commander. On a related note I can recommend Zero-K, it's basically a great open-source RTS similar to Supreme Commander but it has additional features such as terraforming.Unlike SC2 it also has great controls: you can put buildings and units on repeat order (great for repeat building units), line/formation movement (no more clicking 50 times to get your units to un-ball themselves), easy line/block designations of mass building sites, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Also try total annihalation or supreme commander. But do not try Planetary Annihilation, and not because it's hard Glad to see someone else played TA, was beginning to feel like the only one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisek Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 But do not try Planetary Annihilation, and not because it's hard Glad to see someone else played TA, was beginning to feel like the only oneWhat is wrong with PA? Most fun I've had with an RTS in years. The expansion fixed a lot of problems it had, I'll admit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 What is wrong with PA? Most fun I've had with an RTS in years. The expansion fixed a lot of problems it had, I'll admit.Oh has it? I only played vanilla from the beta for a few months after; I didn't want to spend more money on it for fear of further disappointment, I might look into it, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisek Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Oh has it? I only played vanilla from the beta for a few months after; I didn't want to spend more money on it for fear of further disappointment, I might look into it, thanks.Yeah, the Titans they added made it easier to assault people who are turtling, thus making it so that the end-game doesn't just turn into a constant nuke fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yeah, the Titans they added made it easier to assault people who are turtling, thus making it so that the end-game doesn't just turn into a constant nuke fest.Ah right, bit like the Krogoth from TA huh? Takes ages to build and only possible without being harassed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Ah right, bit like the Krogoth from TA huh? Takes ages to build and only possible without being harassedDude the krogoth is so op'd its insaneThats why i build 2This is only possible on core prime maps though cuz everything is metalThat and every last advanced construction vehicle i possess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 So I'm trying to learn how to play as the Protoss in Starcraft II and what I don't get is how you're supposed to spawn so many units in such a short time, because warping takes fucking forever and so does building units.Like, multiplayer has a training section where I'm told to do everything within the time span of 13-15 minutes and I'm like WHAT THE FUCK I CAN'T EVEN MAKE A DOZEN UNITS IN THAT TIME AND DON'T TELL ME I'M SUPPOSED TO MAKE MORE WARP GATES BECAUSE THE WARP GATES TAKE FOREVER TO BUILD TOO AUGH.Being a newbie sucks.Original starcraft or gtfo plzI want to get it but I'm trying to save up for a con and it's really overpriced on battle.net which is the only way I can get it 'cause my computer doesn't have a disc drive. :[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 @Kellie Gator Build more Warp Gates, dammit! AND DON'T FORGET THE PYLONS ! ! !Actually here's a tip you may or may not know; warping in your units at Pylons that are near your Warp Gates and Nexus will warp your units in 2 seconds; Where as warping in at a Pylon not near these two structures will cause units to take 16 seconds to warp in. Consider this to be an "Empowered" affect - Pylons near these structures have an Empowered warp field, so they allow faster warp-in times. Otherwise? Slow as fk.- Warping in units underneath a Warp Prism will also warp them in only 2 seconds.P.S: Training mode is much, much slower than actual games. I think there's three speeds - Normal (training mode speed), Fast (slightly faster than Normal) and Faster (the actual speed you will be playing the game at).This may be why things feel like they take a long time to build for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) @Kellie Gator Build more Warp Gates, dammit! AND DON'T FORGET THE PYLONS ! ! !Actually here's a tip you may or may not know; warping in your units at Pylons that are near your Warp Gates and Nexus will warp your units in 2 seconds; Where as warping in at a Pylon not near these two structures will cause units to take 16 seconds to warp in. Consider this to be an "Empowered" affect - Pylons near these structures have an Empowered warp field, so they allow faster warp-in times. Otherwise? Slow as fk.- Warping in units underneath a Warp Prism will also warp them in only 2 seconds.P.S: Training mode is much, much slower than actual games. I think there's three speeds - Normal (training mode speed), Fast (slightly faster than Normal) and Faster (the actual speed you will be playing the game at).This may be why things feel like they take a long time to build for you!Hehe, I'd been telling her about those yesterday, training 3 goes at full speed with all the utilities. Dude the krogoth is so op'd its insaneThats why i build 2This is only possible on core prime maps though cuz everything is metalThat and every last advanced construction vehicle i possessEver tried any of the mods? I forget which one it is but it allows for 1440p res and another two tiers of buildings/units, super moho metal extractors are a life saver on the grassy planets Edited November 18, 2015 by Zytan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellie Gator Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 You know what really grinds my gears about Starcraft II?Idle. Workers. Seriously, the fact that you constantly gotta keep them in check with queued commands or whatever is fucking dumb, don't the stupid Protoss probes have the AI to figure out themselves how to harvest minerals?For fuck's sake, the harvesters in DUNE FUCKING 2 FROM THE EARLY 90'S FIGURED THIS OUT. WHY ARE YOU SO RETARDED, BLIZZARD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zytan Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 You know what really grinds my gears about Starcraft II?Idle. Workers. Seriously, the fact that you constantly gotta keep them in check with queued commands or whatever is fucking dumb, don't the stupid Protoss probes have the AI to figure out themselves how to harvest minerals?For fuck's sake, the harvesters in DUNE FUCKING 2 FROM THE EARLY 90'S FIGURED THIS OUT. WHY ARE YOU SO RETARDED, BLIZZARD?And if they ran off to harvest after every little action it'd take longer to do the thing you want Just slap nexus relay points on the minerals and mash F1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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