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Bourgeois.

I never harbored any particular dislike for rich people. They simply didn't bother me.
Okay, so they snatched some cash — well, that's life: if there's cash lying around, somebody's bound to snatch it. What, I should feel some kind envy about that? Nope.
Okay, so they have those ferraris and bentlies — jolly fucking good, let 'em ride this shit, at least they aren't losing exhaust pipes all over the roadbumps.
Okay, so they want to live in apartments that go ten thousand bucks a meter, wear god-ugly rolexes and stuff themselves with overpriced shit in "prestigious" restaurants — I'm totally fine with it. As Eeyore the donkey said, we all have our little ways.
I have no quarrel with them.

But they finally managed to piss me off.

Quoting close to the source:
"Last weekend, Moscow enjoyed the one and only performance of famous singer from Cape Verde, Caesaria Evora. There were no ads and tickets were not distributed publicly. The event was attended by a few dozen of our very prosperous and prominent compatriots."
End of the fucking quote.

I can somewhat understand it: guys got money, they can invite whomever they wish for anything. But here's the bloody point: apparently, they're not satisfied with their villas and limos and private jets and seven figure accounts and whatnot. Now they wish for their own private art, some kind that's not available to mere mortals, some kind we couldn't get even after selling a leg and an arm, for no amount of effort. A kind of "white only" art.
Even given that, though, I could actually care less; so they want to get snobby — let 'em have it. The problem is that's pointless. They'll pay fortunes for something they can't get a kick from. What do they care for dolorous songs of a barefoot african woman? She's just an "exclusive" toy for them, a weird and boring oddity at best — but, most likely, just another plebeian, a black chimp singing to delight their oh so noble ears. They don't get her. They don't get anything except money and their fucking "prestige".

It's their arrogant porky mugs fill the orchestra chairs, it's they who jabber loudly into the phone in theatres, it's them who sat there like imbeciles on The Masterpiece concerto in Romania, it was them who David Bowie swore at at the top of his voice... Stupid and deaf, literal bydlo consisting only of shit, gall and smugness.

Your Rich Excellencies, do you mind that I breathe the same air as you do? Me, I'm disgusted.

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11 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Have you literally only just become aware that private performances exist? 

The point is they are private and are not announced. This, however, was announced. Like, look, you untermenschen, what you're missing.

 

8 minutes ago, Jtrekkie said:

Then shouldn't you blame the famed preformer of Cape Verde?

No.

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17 minutes ago, Hisu said:

Bourgeois.

But here's the bloody point: apparently, they're not satisfied with their villas and limos and private jets and seven figure accounts and whatnot. Now they wish for their own private art, some kind that's not available to mere mortals, some kind we couldn't get even after selling a leg and an arm, for no amount of effort.

"No effort," huh :P

Yeah, we bourgeoisie don't really care about you either. If you wanted to attend that concert but felt too poor, why didn't you just buy some money like the rest of us?

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1 minute ago, Hisu said:

The point is they are private and are not announced. This, however, was announced. 

Probably so bourgeoisie who saw the advertisements could ask their bourgeoisie friends about it and figure out how to get in on it. It's not like we all know each other and everything that's going on. Besides, I'm sure they paid for the tickets too, but those tickets were probably $5,000 or $10,000 each for something so exclusive. Why advertise ticket sales when 90% of Moscow is dirt poor?

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15 minutes ago, Saxon said:

This is a non issue. Why are you complaining about it? 

I've already described that in the opening post. It'd be okay if it wasn't announced. It'd be okay if there were tickets available, for whatever price. It'd be okay if the announcement didn't come post factum. It'd be okay if those snobs could at least get what they were buying. Any single one of these would've made that okay.

 

6 minutes ago, Jtrekkie said:

Why?

You don't blame the tool, you blame the handler.

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Just now, Hisu said:

I've already described that in the opening post. It'd be okay if it wasn't announced. It'd be okay if there were tickets available, for whatever price. It'd be okay if the announcement didn't come post factum. It'd be okay if those snobs could at least get what they were buying. Any single one of these would've made that okay.

 

You don't blame the tool, you blame the handler.

This is not a moral issue. People are entitled to hire private entertainers, and there is no law against them saying when they have.

Comparing this to racism, as you did in your opening post, is absurd. 

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4 minutes ago, Saxon said:

This is not a moral issue. People are entitled to hire private entertainers, and there is no law against them saying when they have.

Comparing this to racism, as you did in your opening post, is absurd. 

Are you sure you clicked "reply" on the right post? 'cause I made no references to law or whatnot, and I didn't compare ignorant snobism to racism (if you think it's what the black chimp part was about, I suggest you go check your triggers).

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Just now, Hisu said:

You don't blame the tool, you blame the handler.

Ah, but the artist, or the agent of the artist, if she uses one, being requested, has complete control over the venue. While those people may have requested the performance for whatever reason (no information on that), she had to agree to all if it.

 

Aren't there any community theaters, who sometimes bid for performances?

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2 minutes ago, Jtrekkie said:

Ah, but the artist, or the agent of the artist, if she uses one, being requested, has complete control over the venue. While those people may have requested the performance for whatever reason (no information on that), she had to agree to all if it.

 

Aren't there any community theaters, who sometimes bid for performances?

In this particular situation, she's a tool. A toy even. No one can be held responsible for actions other than their own.

And yes, there are community theaters.

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I'm sorry but what exactly is this rant about? I get you're whining about rich people but it sounds like this performance was being talked about after the fact. that's usually what "last weekend" means. so really this rant should be titled "rich people got to do something I wanted to consider doing"

and it's nothing new either. but maybe I should start complaining every time Beyonce or some other performer gets invited to the White House because fuck you Obama, I'm poor and you can't have them all to yourself >:(

 

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1 minute ago, willow said:

I'm sorry but what exactly is this rant about? I get you're whining about rich people but it sounds like this performance was being talked about after the fact. that's usually what "last weekend" means. so really this rant should be titled "rich people got to do something I wanted to consider doing"

and it's nothing new either. but maybe I should start complaining every time Beyonce or some other performer gets invited to the White House because fuck you Obama, I'm poor and you can't have them all to yourself >:(

 

I think I was quite clear about what the rant is about. It's about porkfaces who don't get the art they are paying for, and also about announcing that to the general public as if to tease.

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Just now, Hisu said:

I think I was quite clear about what the rant is about. It's about porkfaces who don't get the art they are paying for, and also about announcing that to the general public as if to tease.

how exactly do you know they don't get it? and even if they don't fully get it, obviously they I guess appreciate the art form. like fuck dude I don't always understand art but I go to art museums on occasion because I can at least appreciate it.

 

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14 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

So if I spend $100 to hire a magician for my kids birthday party I'm some kind of smug, elitist aristocrat or something?

Damn dude, you're bitter as fuck.

$100? No. $100,000 for Chris Angel or something? Fuck you, you bourgeoisie capitalist pig!

By the way, @Hisu, do they still actually hate on the bourgeoisie there in Russia? It's been 99 years! Let it go, man! Everyone knows it's all about those nazi Ukrainians now.

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3 hours ago, Hisu said:

Are you sure you clicked "reply" on the right post? 'cause I made no references to law or whatnot, and I didn't compare ignorant snobism to racism (if you think it's what the black chimp part was about, I suggest you go check your triggers).

I was thinking of the 'white only' art comment, actually. 

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1 minute ago, jcstinks said:

This rant reeks of richism. Richism is prejudice against the rich! It is one of the more acceptable forms of discrimination in our society.

While this is comic, it actually is frustrating just how many people act as if not enjoying things which are perceived to be posh makes them better, more morally virtuous people, or as if using an accent which isn't as posh makes them better. 

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I remember the good old days, when commoners used to try to emulate nobility, by trying to wear the same style clothes, collect china and silverware, trying to emulate table manners and manners in general, trying to act prim and proper, and even - how adorably silly of them - trying to learn to read and learn about sciences and arts. It was amusing to watch, but still endearing in a way, as the people tried to better themselves to try to emulate us. At least they made it tolerable to walk among them, since they wouldn't smell as bad, and would show us a modicum of respect.

Now, everyone just wants to eat the rich, and no amount of cake seems to satisfy them.

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8 hours ago, Hisu said:

I suggest you go check your triggers

Woops, that tumblr piece of shit let another rock out...

You should probably check your locality, there's an address bar up on top of your browser that will point you exactly where you need to go.

3 hours ago, Rassah said:

I remember the good old days, when commoners used to try to emulate nobility, by trying to wear the same style clothes, collect china and silverware, trying to emulate table manners and manners in general, trying to act prim and proper, and even - how adorably silly of them - trying to learn to read and learn about sciences and arts. It was amusing to watch, but still endearing in a way, as the people tried to better themselves to try to emulate us. At least they made it tolerable to walk among them, since they wouldn't smell as bad, and would show us a modicum of respect.

Now, everyone just wants to eat the rich, and no amount of cake seems to satisfy them.

Jesus fuck you're ancient. Were you also one of the lucky 1st class survivors on the Titanic? zzz

 

OP, you can't go ahead and make assumptions about fuck all without knowing, well, fuck all. You've got the fact that some people into money held a private concert, and that's it? Come on...

First and foremost, your amazing and talented artist has obviously agreed to perform for them and probably for a reasonable chunk of change. It's not like they kidnapped her, put a bag over her head and made her perform at gunpoint...

If there was any kind of moral issue involved from her perspective, do you know what crazy fucking thing she would have done? She would have said "no."

And then to immediately assume that those supposed rich assholes - whoever they are exclusively - are complete know-nothing degenerates spending money just for the sake of saying they did, you sound like the asshole. You don't know a thing about any of them, do you?

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I don't get it, you're getting mad that rich people are doing something in their rich people club? 

You say you are not bothered by ferraris and other rich shit, but as soon as there is a concert or somesuch with an ad, you flip? Why? Is it because you feel that they're flaunting their money at you? How is it any different from their golf clubs or cars or anything else fabulous things they like to showoff?

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21 hours ago, Rassah said:

In Soviet Russia, it's customary for everyone to be equally poor and miserable. That's what USSR was all about.

Unless you're in a position of power, because some people are more equal than others.

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On 12/1/2016 at 2:51 AM, Rassah said:

In Soviet Russia, it's customary for everyone to be equally poor and miserable. That's what USSR was all about.

In capitalism, man exploits man. In communism, it's the other way around ^_^

As for USSR, they did have some great SAM systems for the time (can even try them nowadays using a free simulator!)

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1 minute ago, AlastairSnowpaw said:

just looked it up and the first definition of bourgeoisie is middle class. But there's also the definition you're talking about where it's the few who own and exploit. well now I learned something.

I think it originates from the French revolution. Self-fancying politicos have been using the word incorrectly for a long time, because they think it makes them sound clever. 

If you catch somebody using it, ask them if they know what it means...and then ask them if they can spell it. 

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42 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I think it originates from the French revolution. Self-fancying politicos have been using the word incorrectly for a long time, because they think it makes them sound clever. 

If you catch somebody using it, ask them if they know what it means...and then ask them if they can spell it. 

Then proceed to confiscate their fancy phones and other belongings for "redistribution purposes" and have them sent to re-education camps for a few months of hard labour.

Failure to comply will result in being shot in the name of progress. :V

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6 hours ago, AlastairSnowpaw said:

But there's also the definition you're talking about where it's the few who own and exploit. well now I learned something.

That's how it is, yeah. Everyone fancies themselves as the proletariat in a commie revolution, and a lot of these people are college/university students who have parents, a house, things like phones, computers, etc. Or they call themselves working class simply because they're employed.

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4 hours ago, Sir Gibby said:

That's how it is, yeah. Everyone fancies themselves as the proletariat in a commie revolution, and a lot of these people are college/university students who have parents, a house, things like phones, computers, etc. Or they call themselves working class simply because they're employed.

Students from rich families who claim to be part of, or acting in the best interests of, an oppressed class frustrate me to no end. I think 'champagne socialist' is the term. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Students from rich families who claim to be part of, or acting in the best interests of, an oppressed class frustrate me to no end. I think 'champagne socialist' is the term. 

Didn't Marx call them LumpenProleteriats or some other nonsense?

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5 minutes ago, Khaki said:

Didn't Marx call them LumpenProleteriats or some other nonsense?

I'm not sure, since I haven't read Marx, if I'm honest.  

I remember when I complained about proposals for the student body to act 'on behalf' of gay students, because I didn't think there was a conspiracy against us at the University, that one of these women essentially told me that my views were irrelevant because I'm a white man.

There were proposals to seek out prospective students, find out whether they were gay, and then offer them counseling about how to deal with homophobia at the University, and so forth. 

I thought it was pretty intrusive to go deliberately seeking out students based on their sexual orientation, in order to lecture them about how oppressed they should feel. O_o 

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46 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I'm not sure, since I haven't read Marx, if I'm honest.  

I remember when I complained about proposals for the student body to act 'on behalf' of gay students, because I didn't think there was a conspiracy against us at the University, that one of these women essentially told me that my views were irrelevant because I'm a white man.

There were proposals to seek out prospective students, find out whether they were gay, and then offer them counseling about how to deal with homophobia at the University, and so forth. 

I thought it was pretty intrusive to go deliberately seeking out students based on their sexual orientation, in order to lecture them about how oppressed they should feel. O_o 

Those people and their darn social politics causing everyone to hate each other, that's some bullshit right there.

I don't understand why they have to be condescending to people of different traits as if to treat them like they're a incompetent special ed kid who's incapable of pulling their own bootstraps, it's like a reverse kind of prejudice which subjects people into the line of thought that they aren't capable as an individual and need special requirements to get anywhere in life.

And all in the mean time these people are patting each other on the back in a moral circlejerk thinking they've achieved something with their meaningless lives.

Bugger them all.

Also I forgot to add:

That's ok, I just thought you may have been taught about it in school, since students seem to like rallying under it's banner.

From bits that I have read so far, it's not an easy read and you could probably make a drinking game out of it for every time bourgeois and proletarian is mentioned, but it seems to be basically a summary of situation of the social situation and the rise of industry.

Along the lines of what will happen and how things should be done.

That being said, everything I know is self taught, so if I'm wrong in any areas, anyone can feel free to let me know.

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2 hours ago, Saxon said:

Students from rich families who claim to be part of, or acting in the best interests of, an oppressed class frustrate me to no end. I think 'champagne socialist' is the term. 

 

I had a friend in college who was like this. She'd make anti-gay jokes all the time because "I did so much for those people, I'm allowed to do it." She acted like she did me a personal favor every time she grandstanded in public about gay rights, like I owed her something on behalf of all the gays. And I just think that's awful queer of her.

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On 1/13/2016 at 11:43 AM, WileyWarWeasel said:

In capitalism, man exploits man. In communism, it's the other way around ^_^

As for USSR, they did have some great SAM systems for the time (can even try them nowadays using a free simulator!)

the yalso had heavy tanks and tesla coils, which were epic win, unlike lameo POS allied light tanks. were talking about red alert 1 rite??

7 hours ago, Saxon said:

Students from rich families who claim to be part of, or acting in the best interests of, an oppressed class frustrate me to no end. I think 'champagne socialist' is the term. 

i just call them liberals

I've heard the term "craft beer marxist" thrown around up here, which sounds pr good to me as an ignorant prole who splurges occasionally on the stuff

7 hours ago, Khaki said:

Didn't Marx call them LumpenProleteriats or some other nonsense?

No, the Lumpen-proletariat are the underclass, below the proletariat. They're mostly criminals, vagabonds, etc. I feel like there was a term for them, maybe a Liberal social crusader?

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5 hours ago, Pignog said:

they also had heavy tanks and tesla coils, which were epic win, unlike lameo POS allied light tanks. were talking about red alert 1 rite??

 

No, the Lumpen-proletariat are the underclass, below the proletariat. They're mostly criminals, vagabonds, etc. I feel like there was a term for them, maybe a Liberal social crusader?

Probably talking about BUK and other cold war toys, Westwood C&C was the best though.

Also, just looked it up and so it is indeed, learnt something new today, cheers.

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7 hours ago, Pignog said:

the yalso had heavy tanks and tesla coils, which were epic win, unlike lameo POS allied light tanks. were talking about red alert 1 rite??

Nope, talking about real SAM systems (some with nuclear warheads):

https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

9 minutes ago, Azure said:

Eat the rich

Since you are what you eat, that only means you'll become rich and then eaten by someone else :V

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15 hours ago, Khaki said:

Probably talking about BUK and other cold war toys, Westwood C&C was the best though.

Also, just looked it up and so it is indeed, learnt something new today, cheers.

There are free multiplayer versions of all of em on cnconline.net iirc

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