Oh No! 'Rainfurrest' is Might Stop Being a Thing!

[#00Buck]

I've only ever been to one furry con. It was very well organized. More so than any other type of convention I've gone to. Every event started and ended exactly on time. 

The vast majority of people there were teens to mid twenties. They all seemed to be LGBT etc. They also seemed to be virgins. 

They were also the most timid and shy people I've ever met at a con. If you bumped into anyone they would immediately apologize even if it wasn't their fault. 

Most people seemed to have almost no money. There were a few people who spent big. Most had very little cash to throw around. 

I didn't see any diaper stuff going on. Biggest public displays of affection were people hugging. That's it. 

[Saxon]

I've never been to a convention, and probably won't because I'm probably the creep everyone else would want to avoid. :\

I did go to one meet up, and it matched Buck's description, though I'll also add that the Male to Female ratio was 19 to 1, and that when the event was over I saw a man and woman exchanging poorly drawn images of their fursonas in their underwear- that was the extent of lewdness. 

At the topic of debauchery, if there are lots of furries that want to go conventioneering for sexual escapades, perhaps they can have their own conventions, similar to those that leather fetishists have. Maybe they already exist? 

[#00Buck]

5 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I've never been to a convention, and probably won't because I'm probably the creep everyone else would want to avoid. :\

I did go to one meet up, and it matched Buck's description, though I'll also add that the Male to Female ratio was 19 to 1, and that when the event was over I saw a man and woman exchanging poorly drawn images of their fursonas in their underwear- that was the extent of lewdness. 

At the topic of debauchery, if there are lots of furries that want to go conventioneering for sexual escapades, perhaps they can have their own conventions, similar to those that leather fetishists have. Maybe they already exist? 

At the con I went to I'm convinced the only people who got laid were ones already in committed relationships. 

The male to female ratio was about 60% male 40% female. However, the males were almost exclusively gay and the females were a mix of LGBT etc. including asexual females who are not interested in sex at all. 

You'd be more likely to get laid at a mainstream con that's about motorcycles, cars, food and wine etc. 

Again these people were very timid and shy. They stayed in little groups. Some people just sat alone the whole time. I usually make friends at cons but people didn't seem interested in meeting new people. Want to get laid? Go to a bar, club, etc.

[AshleyAshes]

26 minutes ago, Saxon said:

At the topic of debauchery, if there are lots of furries that want to go conventioneering for sexual escapades, perhaps they can have their own conventions, similar to those that leather fetishists have. Maybe they already exist? 

Maybe, just maybe, the majority of furries attending furry cons don't see it as some weekend long orgy, but the majority who just geek out and spend money in the dealers room don't attract much attention since that's not a 'scandal'?

[Pignog]

i want too study the baby/diaperfurs like an ehtnographer, but what to do if i go too far,become one of them, go "native." a dangerous road...

[Saxon]

13 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

Maybe, just maybe, the majority of furries attending furry cons don't see it as some weekend long orgy, but the majority who just geek out and spend money in the dealers room don't attract much attention since that's not a 'scandal'?

...well of course?

But I'd have no objection to furries having an actual sex convention. I'm quite surprised there isn't one, because there are definitely enough murry purry furries. 

 

10 hours ago, Pignog said:

i want too study the baby/diaperfurs like an ethnographer, but what to do if i go too far,become one of them, go "native." a dangerous road...

On this subject, this forum has a quite a hostile attitude toward ABDL, [who, incidentally, have been studied by psychiatrists], and I'm never quite sure if people are merely joking about them, or genuinely think they're degenerate scum. At the end of the day most are still normal people, they just have an unfortunate but harmless kink.

At the risk of being accused of being a limp-wristed 'tolerate everybody' enabler, provided they're not doing any harm, I really don't see why I should care.

 

Edited December 28, 2015 by Saxon

[PastryOfApathy]

4 minutes ago, Saxon said:

...well of course?

But I'd have no objection to furries having an actual sex convention. I'm quite surprised there isn't one, because there are definitely enough murry purry furries. 

The problem with that furries in general have a horrible, nigh-unfixable identity crisis. There's porn-peddlers everywhere you look, everyone wears fetishes like some kind perverse badge of honor and almost everything has creepy sexual overtones attached to it. While at the same exact time these same people are touting themselves as kid-friendly and that all that pesky sex stuff is overblown and only represents a tiny segment of the population.

Seriously if you announced a dedicated 18+ furry con, those some fuckers running around in diapers and leather fetish suits would throw a fucking fit since it would "give people the idea that the fandom is all about sex" or something retarded like that. They want their cake and to eat it too, and so long as cons are run by stupid people they'll be able to at everyone else's expense.

[Saxon]

3 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

The problem with that furries in general have a horrible, nigh-unfixable identity crisis. There's porn-peddlers everywhere you look, everyone wears fetishes like some kind perverse badge of honor and almost everything has creepy sexual overtones attached to it. While at the same exact time these same people are touting themselves as kid-friendly and that all that pesky sex stuff is overblown and only represents a tiny segment of the population.

Seriously if you announced a dedicated 18+ furry con, those some fuckers running around in diapers and leather fetish suits would throw a fucking fit since it would "give people the idea that the fandom is all about sex" or something retarded like that. They want their cake and to eat it too, and so long as cons are run by stupid people they'll be able to at everyone else's expense.

 

I agree so much. I know a furry who is sexually interested in murrsuiters [genuinely isn't me I'm talking about, this time], who castigated con-goers for wearing underwear over their fursuits, because it 'might give the general public the impression that some furries have sex in fursuits'.

The public is smart enough to know that of course costumed sex happens, so hiding it makes it look even more suspicious.

Instead of trying to hide it from the public, we should place greater emphasis on separating sexual events from asexual ones. Murrsuiting at a convention should be fine, provided that everybody who attends knows it's going to be an openly sexual environment that is explicitly for adults only.

 

[Troj]

I agree that many people want to have their cake and eat it too, and that this ends up sending mixed messages which lead some people to believe that furries are just flat-out lying about the whole "we're not just about sex, you know" thing.

As I've said before, I'm pretty open-minded and easygoing when it comes to people having fetishes or kinks, and *expressing them consensually in appropriate spaces.*

Where I draw the line is when people force others to endure or partake in fetishes, kinks, or activities against their wishes.

As a rule, I don't like to mock, criticize, or deride people for liking or being into various things, but I definitely reserve the right to mock, criticize, or deride people for crossing boundaries, behaving inappropriately, and lacking respect for themselves and/or others.

Edited December 28, 2015 by Troj

[Pignog]

5 hours ago, Saxon said:

On this subject, this forum has a quite a hostile attitude toward ABDL, [who, incidentally, have been studied by psychiatrists], and I'm never quite sure if people are merely joking about them, or genuinely think they're degenerate scum. At the end of the day most are still normal people, they just have an unfortunate but harmless kink.

At the risk of being accused of being a limp-wristed 'tolerate everybody' enabler, provided they're not doing any harm, I really don't see why I should care.

i don't have anything against them, but when I read a paragraph like this:

On 2015-10-06 at 1:00 AM, PastryOfApathy said:

Even after people shit/jerked off into their hot tube, threw used diapers at peoples cars, drilled glory holes in their public bathrooms, and let this happen, fucking assholes. Some say fursecution is dead, I say they're dead wrong. We must fight this persecution by showcasing furry pride worldwide and stand united against those who wish to oppress our lifestyle, and our right to furiously masturbate to pictures of dogs fucking in public.

the mental image of a grown adult throwing a used diaper at someone's car makes me fall on my ass laughing.

[axelthefox]

Surprising on How Kage says the fandom isn't about sex. But when i went to AC one year i saw adult art and even some collars,i think too some fursuiters in underwear.

[#00Buck]

7 hours ago, axelthefox said:

Surprising on How Kage says the fandom isn't about sex. But when i went to AC one year i saw adult art and even some collars,i think too some fursuiters in underwear.

At the furry con I went to there was more porn than at any other kind of con I've attended. 

I occasionally see Yaoi or Hentai at some of the largest comic cons but it is very rare. 

That was quite a bit of porn at the furry con and it was treated very casually. 

[Troj]

At the most basic level, most things are either about sex or death (or both).

Saying the fandom is "about" sex is utterly wrong, because you can easily find a legion of "black swans" who'll prove your statement wrong, because their fandom involvement isn't about the sex.

But, saying that sex doesn't have a role in the fandom is equally disingenuous, because no duh.

The reason we see so much overt sexuality is because the basic core culture of the fandom is one of self-expression, tolerance, identity development, and openness. People feel like it's safe and acceptable to be open about their sexuality, so they are (for good or ill).

I'd argue that you see plenty of sex at other types of geek cons, but a lot of it is hetero and non-kinky, and doesn't necessarily take the form of out-and-out porn, so people take it for granted. It's not like booth babes get hired for their comic book expertise.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Troj

[Saxon]

I agree with you, troj, with the caveat that, rather than sex coming to surface because the fandom has a culture which is sexually open, that I think the reverse is true; we're open about sex because most furries have a furry fetish anyway.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2015 by Saxon

[Harbinger]

On 28/12/2015 at 3:07 PM, Saxon said:

On this subject, this forum has a quite a hostile attitude toward ABDL, [who, incidentally, have been studied by psychiatrists], and I'm never quite sure if people are merely joking about them, or genuinely think they're degenerate scum. At the end of the day most are still normal people,

who wear pants for babies and shit themselves...

[Troj]

2 hours ago, Saxon said:

I agree with you, troj, with the caveat that, rather than sex coming to surface because the fandom has a culture which is sexually open, that I think the reverse is true; we're open about sex because most furries have a furry fetish anyway.

I continue to be curious about what it really means to have a "furry fetish."

No doubt there are some people whose erotic crystalization occurred while watching Robin Hood and Swat Kats.

No doubt there are people who've always had a mascot or fursuit fetish.

But, I wonder how many people gravitate to furry erotica and porn for other reasons, including not liking or not feeling comfortable with other forms of sexuality or other types of porn or erotica.

My sense is that the fandom also houses some people who are fetishists first and furries second, and who have only dressed up their primary fetish in fur, so to speak, in order to fit in with the community.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Troj

[PheagleAdler]

On 12/28/2015 at 10:28 AM, Saxon said:

 

The public is smart enough to know that of course costumed sex happens, so hiding it makes it look even more suspicious.

 

Only by people who have cheap suits or no sense whatsoever. Of course it happens, by a marginal percentage, but that's not the point. The point is the media and every other fucktard out there takes that small percentage and makes it into what the fandom is all about. Watch CSI, Tyra Banks, etc. and tell me that's not what's happened. 

So of course when you have people like me try to explain the concept of furry, we get assholes who say "oh, people who have sex in animal costumes" because of the minority and the media that glorifies it. I personally don't want anyone looking at me like a sex-obsessed miscreant simply because I am a furry, and I have a fursuit of my own.

And I know some of you out there may try to deny it, but as a whole, the furry fandom is just another fandom. Sex is universal, don't give me crap that somehow furries are more sex-obsessed than other fandoms.

[Saxon]

28 minutes ago, Troj said:

I continue to be curious about what it really means to have a "furry fetish."

No doubt there are some people whose erotic crystalization occurred while watching Robin Hood and Swat Kats.

No doubt there are people who've always had a mascot or fursuit fetish.

But, I wonder how many people gravitate to furry erotica and porn for other reasons, including not liking or not feeling comfortable with other forms of sexuality or other types of porn or erotica.

My sense is that the fandom also houses some people who are fetishists first and furries second, and who have only dressed up their primary fetish in fur, so to speak, in order to fit in with the community.

 

When I browse websites dedicated to other fetishes, the illustrated porn is of regular people rather than furries. I think furry characters are more likely to make people uncomfortable instead of representing a safe alternative to conventional porn, because some people feel that it is an incipient step towards bestiality.

1 hour ago, Harbinger said:

who wear pants for babies and shit themselves...

I doubt that many of them would want to have such a fixation if they had a choice about it.

 

20 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said:

Only by people who have cheap suits or no sense whatsoever. Of course it happens, by a marginal percentage, but that's not the point. The point is the media and every other fucktard out there takes that small percentage and makes it into what the fandom is all about. Watch CSI, Tyra Banks, etc. and tell me that's not what's happened. 

So of course when you have people like me try to explain the concept of furry, we get assholes who say "oh, people who have sex in animal costumes" because of the minority and the media that glorifies it. I personally don't want anyone looking at me like a sex-obsessed miscreant simply because I am a furry, and I have a fursuit of my own.

And I know some of you out there may try to deny it, but as a whole, the furry fandom is just another fandom. Sex is universal, don't give me crap that somehow furries are more sex-obsessed than other fandoms.

Outsiders get the impression that furries are kinky gay men because the fandom genuinely does have a disproportionate number of kinky gay men in it.

Most outsiders don't really care about furries, so it's unreasonable to expect them to understand that the situation is nuanced. Calling them 'assholes'  is unfair. x3

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2015 by Saxon

[Troj]

Well, and personally, I suspect that the fandom's openness has a great deal to do with early founders and adopters being LGBTQ--but, it's not the only factor in play.

Since I've only ever been superficially involved with other fandoms, I wonder how, say, Trekkies have traditionally dealt with their sexual creepers. Surely, there MUST be people who've sent gross letters to Uhura or Crusher, the way that one asshat sent weird letters to Tress MacNeille. I'd have a hard time believing that the furry fandom only has these sorts of people.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pheagle that it actually enrages me personally when people dismiss the fandom, fursuiting, or, especially, *my* fursuiting with quips about how furries are "those people" what have sex in the animal costumes.

Imagine that you have something that provides you with a genuine sense of fulfillment, social connection, and joy, and another person tells you that you only do that thing for the money/sex/fame/some other ulterior motive, and you've roughly got the feeling there.

From there, I've shared stories before about how the "furries are all about sex" stereotype can place fursuiters in particular in potential danger, because creepy mundanes will think it's OK to grab a fursuiter's junk, or worse.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Troj

[Saxon]

10 minutes ago, Troj said:

Well, and personally, I suspect that the fandom's openness has a great deal to do with early founders and adopters being LGBTQ--but, it's not the only factor in play.

Since I've only ever been superficially involved with other fandoms, I wonder how, say, Trekkies have traditionally dealt with their sexual creepers. Surely, there MUST be people who've sent gross letters to Uhura or Crusher, the way that one asshat sent weird letters to Tress MacNeille. I'd have a hard time believing that the furry fandom only has these sorts of people.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pheagle that it actually enrages me when people dismiss the fandom, fursuiting, or, especially, *my* fursuiting with quips about how furries are those people what have sex in the animal costumes. Imagine that you have something that provides you with a genuine sense of fulfillment, social connection, and joy, and another person tells you that you only do that thing for the money/sex/fame/attention, and you've roughly got the feeling there.

From there, I've shared stories before about how the "furries are all about sex" stereotype can place fursuiters in particular in potential danger, because creepy mundanes will think it's OK to grab a fursuiter's junk, or worse.

I'm not convinced the furry sex stereotype motivates dangerous sexual abuse against furries; I call fursecution bullshit on that one.

If people weren't mocking furries for being perverts, then they'd merely mock them for some other reason, just like trekkies and trainspotters are mocked for being no-life virgins.

Why should we give a shit about what people think of us? The trainspotter who takes it on as his personal crusade to convince the world that trainspotters do have girlfriends is only going to make an even bigger pinata of himself.

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2015 by Saxon

[Calemeyr]

@PheagleAdleractually, I'd say furries are a little more sex obsessed compared to other fandoms. Fursuit sex is a minority thing, yes, but the sexual stuff? Yeah it's pretty common. Just look at furries on twitter or FA. 

Or maybe we aren't as good at keeping it behind closed doors. Anime is pretty damn weird and sexual, but you don't see people selling fleshlights in paperbags at anime cons. Perhaps we are more open to sex as a fandom. Personally, I'd like the fandom to be less kinky in the open, less of a "nightclub" mentality, but whatever.

By the way @Troj, have we seen your suit? I'm curious to see it.

@SaxonI care what people think about me, because I don't want to consider myself as part of a strange subculture. This is why furry is a hobby for me, and I try to mask it under other fandoms. The fandom does have a (possibly deserved) reputation of lack of tact when it comes to sexuality and general public behavior, and I don't want to be associated with that as I grow older. I will care what my future coworkers think about me. Same with my neighbors. 

This fandom does seem detached from other geek fandoms, to be honest, and it really does seem like an alternative lifestyle subculture. I mean, it's not as a whole, but there is a really, really loud minority that shouts louder than the majority about how much they're proud to be furry and how they really like all the sexual stuff.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Calemeyr

[Saxon]

Who the shits tells their neighbours and coworkers that they're a furry sausage, anyway? O-o

[Troj]

2 hours ago, Saxon said:

I'm not convinced the furry sex stereotype motivates dangerous sexual abuse against furries; I call fursecution bullshit on that one.

If people weren't mocking furries for being perverts, then they'd merely mock them for some other reason, just like trekkies and trainspotters are mocked for being no-life virgins.

Why should we give a shit about what people think of us? The trainspotter who takes it on as his personal crusade to convince the world that trainspotters do have girlfriends is only going to an even bigger pinata.

Maybe it motivates abuse, or maybe it just allows people to rationalize it after the fact, or maybe some people just plain enjoy harassing (sexually or otherwise) people in costumes regardless.

In any case, the stereotype sure doesn't help. That the "furries are hyper-sexualized sex perverts who are also probably pedophiles and/or zoophiles" stereotype exists means I have to be much more careful and thoughtful about when, where, and how I fursuit, and how I talk about my fursuiting. I'm perfectly willing to roll with the punches, but it would be nice to not have to worry so much.

Well, and what people think about you absolutely DOES matter if their impression or belief could potentially motivate them to hurt you, hurt your loved ones, block you professionally, stonewall you socially, discriminate against you, or rally people against you. Given how weird Americans are about sex, being seen as a "sex pervert" in a lot of places could potentially land you in some serious hot water.

It's different when people just see furries are drama whores or insufferable spergs, as there's arguably more truth to that particular stereotype, it's arguably easier to debunk in a pinch, and sad manchildren are at least not typically seen as a potential threat, unlike "sexual deviants."

Well, and if the shoe fits me, I'm generally willing to wear it--meaning, I'm generally willing to cop to criticisms or observations that are true about me. When people make assumptions about me that aren't true, I tend to resent it (and I'm probably not alone there).

Edited December 29, 2015 by Troj

[Calemeyr]

8 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Who the shits tells their neighbours and coworkers that they're a furry sausage, anyway? O-o

Well that makes sense, lol. But what I mean is, with some hobbies, you can post on facebook about how you "went to comic con and bought cool stuff" or "I went to Antarctica to climb Mt Erebus". With furry, you'd want to keep that secret it seems, and that's a shame. I'd prefer NOT to act like furry is some secret shame. I mean, you wouldn't bring it up in casual conversation, but it's like...I can't even talk about this shit with my geeky friends because furry has such a piss-poor reputation. Why can't it be like going to Comic Con? Why does it have to be so weird?

I see a lot of parallels with Bronies in this case. If someone was a Brony, they try to keep that shit secret...or in other cases they're obnoxiously open about it.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Calemeyr

[Saxon]

6 minutes ago, Calemeyr said:

Well that makes sense, lol. But what I mean is, with some hobbies, you can post on facebook about how you "went to comic con and bought cool stuff" or "I went to Antarctica to climb Mt Erebus". With furry, you'd want to keep that secret it seems, and that's a shame. I'd prefer NOT to act like furry is some secret shame. I mean, you wouldn't bring it up in casual conversation, but it's like...I can't even talk about this shit with my geeky friends because furry has such a piss-poor reputation. Why can't it be like going to Comic Con? Why does it have to be so weird?

I do post my safe for work furry art on Facebook, among diagrams and dissections of dinosaurs that I also draw. I don't go to lengths talking about being a furry, though.

Furry is always going to sound weird, because it actually is weird. Going to Antarctica, on the other hand, is super-cool.

[Troj]

Precisely, Calemeyr.

Hell, I have acquaintances who'll talk at length how they spent their weekend shooting Bambi and his mom in the face. My countless friends and acquaintances seem perfectly fine with sharing about the movies they've seen, the new TV show they're addicted to, the quilt they're making, the mittens they're knitting, the lavish meal they cooked, the conference or convention they attended, the vacation they went on, or even, all of the drugs and/or alcohol they did last weekend, but only furries be like, "WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SHARE SOMETHING YOU REALLY LIKE AND CARE ABOUT WITH OTHER PEOPLE? LIKE, WHO DOES THAT? IF PEOPLE MAKE FUN OF YOU FOR THAT, IT'LL BE YOUR OWN FAULT, YOU KNOW."

Personally, I wish otakus could absorb at least a tenth of the self-consciousness and internalized self-hatred harbored by many furries, so some of us could get a break from hearing about Hetalia or Attack on Titan all the time.

I agree with Saxon that you always have to be mindful of not completely weirding people out, or flooding them with spergy minutiae or inside jokes that are only interesting or relevant to you. That's called "having social skills." In general, I try to monitor how long I've talked about a particular topic, or how long I've talked in general, in order to guard against being boring or freaky. (Still feel like a massive failure in that regard most of the time, though.)

But, at the same time, a lot of previously-"weird" hobbies are seen as less weird now, because people had the courage to talk about them nonchalantly, and show how mundane and innocuous they really were. Thirty years ago, Trekkies and Star Warsians were still seen as incredibly outlandish and weird, and now they're considered basically-mainstream.

Edited December 29, 2015 by Troj

[TrishaCat]

On 12/26/2015 at 9:12 PM, 6tails said:

MFM moved into MISSISSIPPI... and was enjoyed by the local populace.

Take that as you will, but somehow I imagine sending a bunch of diaper-shitters into the Bible Belt isn't going to stop them. It might even encourage them.

Wait, is there a furry convention in Mississippi?

Edited December 29, 2015 by Battlechili

[Zeke]

There should be a furry kink convention.

And it should be called "Knot-a-con".

[PheagleAdler]

I wouldn't mind only having one Facebook account, but for now, I've kept everything separate, because of the stereotypes. It annoys me to no end that people think of me like some sexual deviant because of a few bad eggs.

[TrishaCat]

2 hours ago, 6tails said:

MFM used to be hosted in Memphis, Tennessee. They moved into Hernando, Mississippi, just across the border.

I was unaware of this. I might go to this and see what it is.

[Troj]

I'm pretty open and easygoing about my furriness on Facebook, while making a point not to bore or overwhelm people who aren't interested in it. I've had several non-furry friends start to express interest in my furry posts, and two friends have recently said that they might actually like to attend a fur con.

Oop, and I missed the earlier question about my fursuits! I primarily fursuit as Stitch from Lilo and Stitch, but I co-own Oryx the Oviraptor, created by Temperance.

Oryx (worn by me and my 3 friends):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/128202484@N04/tags/oryx/

Stitch:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/128202484@N04/tags/stitch/

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1028011310572591.1073741858.192992880741109&type=3

Edited December 30, 2015 by Troj

[PheagleAdler]

20 hours ago, Calemeyr said:

@PheagleAdleractually, I'd say furries are a little more sex obsessed compared to other fandoms. Fursuit sex is a minority thing, yes, but the sexual stuff? Yeah it's pretty common. Just look at furries on twitter or FA. 

Or maybe we aren't as good at keeping it behind closed doors. Anime is pretty damn weird and sexual, but you don't see people selling fleshlights in paperbags at anime cons. Perhaps we are more open to sex as a fandom. Personally, I'd like the fandom to be less kinky in the open, less of a "nightclub" mentality, but whatever.

By the way @Troj, have we seen your suit? I'm curious to see it.

@SaxonI care what people think about me, because I don't want to consider myself as part of a strange subculture. This is why furry is a hobby for me, and I try to mask it under other fandoms. The fandom does have a (possibly deserved) reputation of lack of tact when it comes to sexuality and general public behavior, and I don't want to be associated with that as I grow older. I will care what my future coworkers think about me. Same with my neighbors. 

This fandom does seem detached from other geek fandoms, to be honest, and it really does seem like an alternative lifestyle subculture. I mean, it's not as a whole, but there is a really, really loud minority that shouts louder than the majority about how much they're proud to be furry and how they really like all the sexual stuff.

Well, depends on how loosely we define 'sexual' I suppose. Good looking? Muscular? Body parts like boobs or others showing? As far as porn goes, it sells, and I'm sure it's not limited to the fandom, people are just afraid to admit it.

 

I know you've asked for Troj's suit but I'm not sure I've shown mine either, at least not outside of FA/DA/Facebook.

[Saxon]

15 hours ago, PheagleAdler said:

I wouldn't mind only having one Facebook account, but for now, I've kept everything separate, because of the stereotypes. It annoys me to no end that people think of me like some sexual deviant because of a few bad eggs.

You should expect your second facebook account to be closed, because facebook's policy is 1 account per user, and that all accounts should have their real names. 

Transvestites are exempt. 

[Troj]

It occurs to me that we need to make some meaningful distinctions between expressions and manifestations of sexuality here, since "sex" here technically encompasses everything from cheesecake pin-ups of fox people with six-packs or ample cleavage, to people wandering around conventions in bondage gear and diapers.

I think some manifestations and expressions of sex in the fandom are pretty routine and par for the course, while others seem more-or-less unique to the furry fandom.

For me, when it comes to the stuff that seems unique, the first question is whether it truly is that unique to the fandom--and then, if it is, why that's the case, and if not, why people have that impression.

To clarify my attitude, it pisses me off when people use either a) urban legends or b) the par-for-the-course stuff to make the argument that furries are sexual deviants, or that the fandom is "all about sex." I definitely get angry when people say the fandom is "all about sex."

But, I think it is fair to say that the fandom is home to a number of kinky people, and that furries tend to be more "out and proud" about their kinkiness than other types of geeks. It's even fair to say that some individuals are in it primarily for the kinky stuff.

It's totally fair to say that some people in the fandom don't know when to shut up and keep their hands to themselves--but, it's not at all fair to say that furries are the only people with this problem.

It's even fair to say to look at me and say, "Troj, you have fetishes for A, B, and C." I'll cop to being a kinkster. But, I draw a line, personally, between my active fandom involvement and my sex life, so I naturally resent it when anyone implies that I'm "in it for the sex." Honestly, the things I treasure most and like best about the fandom don't have to do with sex.

Just wanted to be clear, in case it sounded like I was potentially contradicting myself or sounding dodgy in spots.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Troj

[PastryOfApathy]

Am I the only one who can't stop laughing whenever I read PheagleAdler bitch about fetishes while his avatar is very clearly a fetish thing? 

 

[PheagleAdler]

21 minutes ago, Saxon said:

You should expect your second facebook account to be closed, because facebook's policy is 1 account per user, and that all accounts should have their real names. 

Transvestites are exempt. 

You are in no position to make that call, and neither is Facebook because they have no reason to suspect it. 

6 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Am I the only one who can't stop laughing whenever I read PheagleAdler bitch about fetishes while his avatar is very clearly a fetish thing? 

 

You might as well be, transformation is not a sexual fetish, at least not for me. I would at most call it an interest, a very strong interest.

[Saxon]

Just now, PheagleAdler said:

You are in no position to make that call, and neither is Facebook because they have no reason to suspect it. 

Derp, of course I'm not deciding whether your facebook account stays open. 

I'm just telling you what facebook's policy is. Lots of furries' alternate accounts, devoted to their fursona alter egos, have already been closed. 

Like it or not, you are in violation of facebook's policy.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_real-name_policy_controversy#Established_online_alter-egos

[PheagleAdler]

16 minutes ago, Troj said:

Everything you said

scruffysecond

 

[PastryOfApathy]

13 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said:

You might as well be, transformation is not a sexual fetish, at least not for me. I would at most call it an interest, a very strong interest.

Dude I've seen it on e621 (interpret that however you want). You can walk around in bondage gear and claim it's not a sexual thing, but that doesn't stop it from being predominantly a sexual thing.

Also FYI 'very strong interest' is literally the definition of fetish.

[Troj]

Of course we've gone off topic here, but Facebook's name policy really seems to be in limbo right now. Most recently, FB has said that they'll back down if you can prove that your FB name reflects what people call you in real life, but even that has obvious problems with it.

But, I imagine you can create a fan page for yourself with no problem.

Oh, and I reckon that whether a "strong interest" in something counts as a fetish probably depends on whether the interest is grounded in titillation or arousal or not. For some, TF is definitely a sexual fetish, for others, it seems to just be an aesthetic or theme they find intriguing or compelling, and for some, it's both.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Troj

[PastryOfApathy]

18 minutes ago, Troj said:

Of course we've gone off topic here, but Facebook's name policy really seems to be in limbo right now. Most recently, FB has said that they'll back down if you can prove that your FB name reflects what people call you in real life, but even that has obvious problems with it.

But, I imagine you can create a fan page for yourself with no problem.

Oh, and I reckon that whether a "strong interest" in something counts as a fetish probably depends on whether the interest is grounded in titillation or arousal or not. For some, TF is definitely a sexual fetish, for others, it seems to just be an aesthetic or theme they find intriguing or compelling, and for some, it's both.

I dunno. Looking through e621 account, I've become increasingly skeptical on that whole non-sexual thing.

[Saxon]

1 hour ago, PheagleAdler said:

would at most call it an interest, a very strong interest.

I have a very strong interest in ass. 

[PheagleAdler]

36 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

I dunno. Looking through e621 account, I've become increasingly skeptical on that whole non-sexual thing.

Well, looking through Encyclopedia Dramatica...

I wouldn't call either of these sites reliable or accurate. The TF community has a decent following, plenty of whom don't focus on the adult/sexual aspects at all. 

20 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I have a very strong interest in ass. 

The difference between you and me is, that is a sexual fetish, my interest is not.

[PastryOfApathy]

6 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said:

Well, looking through Encyclopedia Dramatica...

I wouldn't call either of these sites reliable or accurate. The TF community has a decent following, plenty of whom don't focus on the adult/sexual aspects at all.

What the fuck does ED have to do with e621? They literally could not be any more opposite.

[Saxon]

Where did I say that my interest in ass was sexual? ;^; I am ass-whisperer. I beseech the fox butts, and they tell me their secrets. 

Okay, on a serious note I'm totally cool with your interest in transformation being non-sexual and I wouldn't even care if it was. I think that's the attitude, if any, that outsiders to the furry fandom should have about us.

I don't think we're going to be able to cultivate that attitude though, and we're just going to have to accept that if you openly talk about how much you like cross-dressing, fursuiting, transforming or leather cat suits, that it's par for the course that at least some people will think your interest is sexual- whether or not that's true.

 

[PheagleAdler]

1 minute ago, Saxon said:

Where did I say that my interest in ass was sexual? ;^; I am ass-whisperer. I beseech the fox butts, and they tell me their secrets. 

Okay, on a serious note I'm totally cool with your interest in transformation being non-sexual and I wouldn't even care if it was. I think that's the attitude, if any, that outsiders to the furry fandom should have about us.

I don't think we're going to be able to cultivate that attitude though, and we're just going to have to accept that if you openly talk about how much you like cross-dressing, fursuiting, transforming or leather cat suits, that it's par for the course that at least some people will think your interest is sexual- whether or not that's true.

 

Well, werewolves transform in movies...so that kinda leads me to believe that most should not think of it as a sexual fetish. I mean, look at Shaggy in 'Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf' that's a kid's movie...

I guess I am a little hung up on it, but that's just me.

5 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

What the fuck does ED have to do with e621? They literally could not be any more opposite.

Opposites? Maybe? The same uncaring, usually explicit/sexual attitude? Perhaps.

[Sarcastic Coffeecup]

3 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said:

Well, werewolves transform in movies...so that kinda leads me to believe that most should not think of it as a sexual fetish. I mean, look at Shaggy in 'Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf' that's a kid's movie...

I guess I am a little hung up on it, but that's just me.

Opposites? Maybe? The same uncaring, usually explicit/sexual attitude? Perhaps.

I really don't see ED and e621 as similar, mang

[PastryOfApathy]

7 minutes ago, PheagleAdler said:

Well, werewolves transform in movies...so that kinda leads me to believe that most should not think of it as a sexual fetish. I mean, look at Shaggy in 'Scooby Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf' that's a kid's movie...

I guess I am a little hung up on it, but that's just me.

There's a difference between a one off scene/aspect of a movie, and someone obsessing over that one seemingly innocuous thing to a weird, dare-I-say, fetishistic degree.

Then people start to question why you're so obsessed with it.

[Onnes]

Honestly, I generally find the sexual sides of anime fandoms a whole lot creepier than the furry stuff. I think it's because the entire aesthetic emphasizes childlike visual features and personality traits for the characters, many of which are also canonically children. At least with most anthros you've got some level of separation from humans due to the animal features, and since most things have no canon you're way less likely to see a well-known and developed underage character featured in something horrible.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Onnes

[Saxon]

 

18 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

There's a difference between a one off scene/aspect of a movie, and someone obsessing over that one seemingly innocuous thing to a weird, dare-I-say, fetishistic degree.

Then people start to question why you're so obsessed with it.

Indeed, and much of the time sexual fetishism is an intuitive conclusion. 

If someone has a weird obsession with smelling socks, the prospect that they have a sock fetish is less astounding than the possibility that they have some asexual psychological requirement for smelly socks.