Oh No! 'Rainfurrest' is Might Stop Being a Thing!

[axelthefox]

On 12/29/2015 at 7:15 AM, Troj said:

Well, and personally, I suspect that the fandom's openness has a great deal to do with early founders and adopters being LGBTQ--but, it's not the only factor in play.

Since I've only ever been superficially involved with other fandoms, I wonder how, say, Trekkies have traditionally dealt with their sexual creepers. Surely, there MUST be people who've sent gross letters to Uhura or Crusher, the way that one asshat sent weird letters to Tress MacNeille. I'd have a hard time believing that the furry fandom only has these sorts of people.

I wholeheartedly agree with Pheagle that it actually enrages me personally when people dismiss the fandom, fursuiting, or, especially, *my* fursuiting with quips about how furries are "those people" what have sex in the animal costumes.

Imagine that you have something that provides you with a genuine sense of fulfillment, social connection, and joy, and another person tells you that you only do that thing for the money/sex/fame/some other ulterior motive, and you've roughly got the feeling there.

From there, I've shared stories before about how the "furries are all about sex" stereotype can place fursuiters in particular in potential danger, because creepy mundanes will think it's OK to grab a fursuiter's junk, or worse.

Yup,i have experienced stuff like that. What does it make it right for someone to do that kind of crap? It is not funny,plus when you're in a fursuit, you can't see as easily,and have less feel.  A certain creep also thought it was ok to take a pic of me with my fursuit head off. You're not supposed to photograph suiters with the head off.

Edited January 4, 2016 by axelthefox

[Zeke]

11 hours ago, axelthefox said:

Yup,i have experienced stuff like that. What does it make it right for someone to do that kind of crap? It is not funny,plus when you're in a fursuit, you can't see as easily,and have less feel.  A certain creep also thought it was ok to take a pic of me with my fursuit head off. You're not supposed to photograph suiters with the head off.

Because people are stupid enough to believe sensationalism. 

As for furries who take pictures of people with their heads off? I have dealt with it enough when i staffed the headless zone at AC a few years back. When a person has their head off, it is off for a good reason.

[Saxon]

Grabbing somebody's penis does make you a creep. Taking a photo of someone with their fursuit head off does not make you a creep. 

[Zeke]

9 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Grabbing somebody's penis does make you a creep. Taking a photo of someone with their fursuit head off does not make you a creep. 

Taking a picture of a suiter does not make one a creep, but it is rude. There's a reason why the suiter has the head off.

 

[Saxon]

Just now, Zeke said:

Taking a picture of a suiter does not make one a creep, but it is rude. There's a reason why the suiter has the head off.

 

I agree that it is rude to take a picture of someone's face without permission, because embarrassing situations could result, like coworkers recognising the suiter. 

 

[Onnes]

1 minute ago, Zeke said:

Taking a picture of a suiter does not make one a creep, but it is rude. There's a reason why the suiter has the head off.

Could probably make a decent argument that, if the suit and the suiter are identifiable, then posting that picture publicly on the internet without permission makes one a creep, though.

[Saxon]

9 minutes ago, Onnes said:

Could probably make a decent argument that, if the suit and the suiter are identifiable, then posting that picture publicly on the internet without permission makes one a creep, though.

There's a difference between not being thoughtful and being an unpleasant pervert, though. 

[Zeke]

21 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I agree that it is rude to take a picture of someone's face without permission, because embarrassing situations could result, like coworkers recognising the suiter. 

 

It was a rampant problem at AC since we had people who weren't even suiters or handlers entering the headless zone to take a photo of their favorite suiter without his head on to the point it bordered on stalking and a couple of times, near theft. There were some that were so adamant to get close to their favorite suiter that they'd enter the headless zone, hide in a corner somewhere, and take pictures until either the person saw them and told staff, or a staffer caught them in the act and had them ejected from the room by security.

I had to deal with complaints about said stalkers accusing me of preventing him being a handler to his "friend", when in fact he wasn't and being an overall creeper.

 

[Troj]

Yeah, groping someone or making sexual remarks to them makes you a pervert.

Photographing someone with their head off makes you a rude dingus or a sleazy slimebag, depending.

I was referring specifically to how people might justify sexually harassing furries with some song-and-dance about how furries "like it" or are "asking for it." I wasn't referring to sleazy behavior in general, even though I agree that photographing someone with their head off without permission is uncool.

 

[Zeke]

4 minutes ago, Troj said:

Yeah, groping someone or making sexual remarks to them makes you a pervert.

Photographing someone with their head off makes you a rude dingus or a sleazy slimebag, depending.

I was referring specifically to how people might justify sexually harassing furries with some song-and-dance about how furries "like it" or are "asking for it." I wasn't referring to sleazy behavior in general, even though I agree that photographing someone with their head off without permission is uncool.

 

In my experience, it is usually the general public that does it. furries? not so much with the exception of those that do not have any concept of personal space. 

I had a woman grab my crotch and pull one time while I was in costume. Her face went wide when I pushed her off me and figured out I did not have a dick. Also had a guy put his hand down the front of my shirt once and I slapped him. He hit me and I sprayed him with mace. Two other furs saw this and pulled him away and pinned him down until security dragged him out of the bowling alley. The manager blamed us for the situation when in fact it was the other patrons being drunken assholes.

 

[Troj]

1 minute ago, Zeke said:

In my experience, it is usually the general public that does it.

Exactly my point. The one time I was sexually harassed in suit, it was a gang of non-furry teenagers. The other time I was asked intrusive, creepy sexual questions, it was by a mundane who'd heard from a friend that I was a furry. *Most* of the sexual harassment horror stories friends have told me have involved mundanes, not fellow furries.

(Of course, the community has its share of sleazebags too--I'm not saying that we don't.)

 

[Augmented Husky]

Might be interrupting however I'll say this anyway. Most of the time I try to keep away from the idea that a majority of furry are not yiffy or at least not more more than porn is in the general public and most furries are actually sane people like the rest at least for the most part. However the one time I did meet a friend who told he is a furry he sent me his fur affinity and......bloody hell did he have many fetishes 0_o

the stigma comes only occasionally but still in full respect of everyone reading this it's a hard thought to shake some times  

[Zeke]

The true stereotype for furries would be super defensive of their hobby and tactless geeks when it comes to personal business or behaviors. 

 

 

 

[Saxon]

Since when was wanking a hobby? 

[Troj]

30 minutes ago, Zeke said:

The true stereotype for furries would be super defensive of their hobby and tactless geeks when it comes to personal business or behaviors.

Oh yes.

The TRUE TRUE stereotype for furries would be that they are super-defensive of their hobby, tactless when it comes to personal business and behaviors, and that they have a tendency to be bitchy and dramatic online, but timid, shy, and utterly non-confrontational IRL.

[Zeke]

16 minutes ago, Troj said:

Oh yes.

The TRUE TRUE stereotype for furries would be that they are super-defensive of their hobby, tactless when it comes to personal business and behaviors, and that they have a tendency to be bitchy and dramatic online, but timid, shy, and utterly non-confrontational IRL.

You win.

[AshleyAshes]

On ‎12‎/‎29‎/‎2015 at 0:15 PM, Troj said:

Since I've only ever been superficially involved with other fandoms, I wonder how, say, Trekkies have traditionally dealt with their sexual creepers. Surely, there MUST be people who've sent gross letters to Uhura or Crusher, the way that one asshat sent weird letters to Tress MacNeille. I'd have a hard time believing that the furry fandom only has these sorts of people.

I've explained this before but I'll explain it again; The other fandoms don't have to deal with what furry has to, because furry has one critical difference: Furry is all fanfiction.  Every other fandom has mass produced media products to directly center themselves around. Star Trek has six different television series, ten movies in the universe in those series, two (Soon to be three) movies in a reboot universe, a new series in the works and literally hundreds of books.  That's the first layer of the Star Trek fandom, that's the 'face' of it.  The same applies for all the other fandoms, they have a tonne of primary and secondary media products that make up 'the first layer'.  The fan made fanfiction and fan art where Princess Leia is having a threesome with C3PO and R2D2 are something you have to 'dig' for.  Furry does not have this.  Furry is 'inspired' by other stuff but there are no 'furry shows' or 'furry movies'.  Sure there's lots of anthro works but they aren't FOR consumers of 'furry content', they're stuff for kids and a minority of it is for general adult audiences.  The furry fandom is basically entirely fan created, the art, the stories, and everything else are all basically variations on 'fanfiction' and fanfiction has a LOT of sex in it, often terrible, repetitive, unimaginative, and weird sex, all of which is the FIRST thing you see when you look at the furry fandom.

[Saxon]

Are you sure it's because furrydom is based on fan fiction and not because there are significantly fewer star-trek-fetishists than furry fetishists? 

[AshleyAshes]

11 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Are you sure it's because furrydom is based on fan fiction and not because there are significantly fewer star-trek-fetishists than furry fetishists? 

Go look at the fanfiction for any other fandom and tell me that it's not as fucked up as everything the furry fandom comes up with.
I still remember the FIRST fanfic I ever read.  Tuxedo Mask had pierced Zoicite in the chest with one of his roses and had somehow managed to get him pregnant.  It was up to the Sailor Soldiers to support Zoicite through the pregnancy!  Ah, such brilliant writing, clever turns in the plot and it certainly wasn't pandering to yaoi MPREG tropes while being a pile of crap.

[axelthefox]

5 hours ago, Troj said:

7 hours ago, Zeke said:

Because people are stupid enough to believe sensationalism. 

As for furries who take pictures of people with their heads off? I have dealt with it enough when i staffed the headless zone at AC a few years back. When a person has their head off, it is off for a good reason.

Exactly my point. The one time I was sexually harassed in suit, it was a gang of non-furry teenagers. The other time I was asked intrusive, creepy sexual questions, it was by a mundane who'd heard from a friend that I was a furry. *Most* of the sexual harassment horror stories friends have told me have involved mundanes, not fellow furries.

(Of course, the community has its share of sleazebags too--I'm not saying that we don't.)

 

Yup, A person who wasn't even a furry even tried to grope me one time.

Person even referred to me as a her, and i was like wth?

Edited January 5, 2016 by axelthefox

[Saxon]

58 minutes ago, axelthefox said:

Yup, A person who wasn't even a furry even tried to grope me one time.

Person even referred to me as a her, and i was like wth?

The hairstyle makes your fursona look feminine.

[WileyWarWeasel]

5 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

I've explained this before but I'll explain it again; The other fandoms don't have to deal with what furry has to, because furry has one critical difference: Furry is all fanfiction.  Every other fandom has mass produced media products to directly center themselves around. Star Trek has six different television series, ten movies in the universe in those series, two (Soon to be three) movies in a reboot universe, a new series in the works and literally hundreds of books.  That's the first layer of the Star Trek fandom, that's the 'face' of it.  The same applies for all the other fandoms, they have a tonne of primary and secondary media products that make up 'the first layer'.  The fan made fanfiction and fan art where Princess Leia is having a threesome with C3PO and R2D2 are something you have to 'dig' for.  Furry does not have this.  Furry is 'inspired' by other stuff but there are no 'furry shows' or 'furry movies'.  Sure there's lots of anthro works but they aren't FOR consumers of 'furry content', they're stuff for kids and a minority of it is for general adult audiences.  The furry fandom is basically entirely fan created, the art, the stories, and everything else are all basically variations on 'fanfiction' and fanfiction has a LOT of sex in it, often terrible, repetitive, unimaginative, and weird sex, all of which is the FIRST thing you see when you look at the furry fandom.

I daresay that this is part of what makes furry stuff so great, it's not held hostage to the dictates of a single organization or corporate entity.

This of course gives far more freedom in what is created, both good and bad.

[axelthefox]

4 hours ago, Saxon said:

The hairstyle makes your fursona look feminine.

Surprising though how it has changed. I remember growing up during the 80's when the metal bands were around,that it was thought to be cool.

[Troj]

Yeah, your fursona's clearly male to me. Plenty of metalheads and goths still around with long hair.

[#00Buck]

16 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

I've explained this before but I'll explain it again; The other fandoms don't have to deal with what furry has to, because furry has one critical difference: Furry is all fanfiction.  Every other fandom has mass produced media products to directly center themselves around. Star Trek has six different television series, ten movies in the universe in those series, two (Soon to be three) movies in a reboot universe, a new series in the works and literally hundreds of books.  That's the first layer of the Star Trek fandom, that's the 'face' of it.  The same applies for all the other fandoms, they have a tonne of primary and secondary media products that make up 'the first layer'.  The fan made fanfiction and fan art where Princess Leia is having a threesome with C3PO and R2D2 are something you have to 'dig' for.  Furry does not have this.  Furry is 'inspired' by other stuff but there are no 'furry shows' or 'furry movies'.  Sure there's lots of anthro works but they aren't FOR consumers of 'furry content', they're stuff for kids and a minority of it is for general adult audiences.  The furry fandom is basically entirely fan created, the art, the stories, and everything else are all basically variations on 'fanfiction' and fanfiction has a LOT of sex in it, often terrible, repetitive, unimaginative, and weird sex, all of which is the FIRST thing you see when you look at the furry fandom.

Then how do you explain Bronies?

They have lots of mainstream media to feed their fandom. They are regarded as being as bad or worse than furries. 

[Calemeyr]

13 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

I daresay that this is part of what makes furry stuff so great, it's not held hostage to the dictates of a single organization or corporate entity.

This of course gives far more freedom in what is created, both good and bad.

The problem is a lot of furries (or rather a lot FA furries...) are too stupid to take advantage of this freedom.

Is lackadaisy even made by furries? If yes, that'd be a diamond in the turd. That's what furry could do. Same with amazingly creative fursuits. But alas, that's the minority.

I think it may be a bandwagon thing. Go along with what's popular. There's a lot of good artists out there that would be great inspirations for newcomers to the fandom, but unfortunately the "popufurs" tend to be people like Zaush and the Bad Dragon team.

If Lackadaisy and Blacksad aren't made by furries, we need to make something like that ourselves. It could help the fandom out.

This fandom needs to do a much better job at exposing good artists.

[axelthefox]

8 minutes ago, Calemeyr said:

The problem is a lot of furries (or rather a lot FA furries...) are too stupid to take advantage of this freedom.

Is lackadaisy even made by furries? If yes, that'd be a diamond in the turd. That's what furry could do. Same with amazingly creative fursuits. But alas, that's the minority.

I think it may be a bandwagon thing. Go along with what's popular. There's a lot of good artists out there that would be great inspirations for newcomers to the fandom, but unfortunately the "popufurs" tend to be people like Zaush and the Bad Dragon team.

If Lackadaisy and Blacksad aren't made by furries, we need to make something like that ourselves. It could help the fandom out.

This fandom needs to do a much better job at exposing good artists.

Yup. There are some artists on the FA site who only will draw g to pg 13 rated art and will not draw anything like adult art. We should start exposing the ones who don't draw adult art. Like this one won't do adult art according to her TOS. http://www.furaffinity.net/user/cybercat/

[Calemeyr]

2 hours ago, #00Buck said:

Then how do you explain Bronies?

They have lots of mainstream media to feed their fandom. They are regarded as being as bad or worse than furries. 

4chan neckbeards.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Calemeyr

[PastryOfApathy]

3 hours ago, #00Buck said:

Then how do you explain Bronies?

They have lots of mainstream media to feed their fandom. They are regarded as being as bad or worse than furries. 

The thing about bronies is that the object of their obsession is in no uncertain terms explicitly for little girls. As such instead of just being as seen as a weird fetish, it's seen as a creepy manchild pedo thing.

[Pignog]

22 hours ago, Saxon said:

Since when was wanking a hobby? 

more of a ritual really

[PastryOfApathy]

19 minutes ago, Pignog said:

more of a ritual really

It's pretty much like taking a piss when you think about it. Just y'know, with baby juice instead of pee.

[Pignog]

31 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

It's pretty much like taking a piss when you think about it. Just y'know, with baby juice instead of pee.

theres little extra things to make it special though, like time of day, location, fav towel to use, little candles to light, carving a pentagram into my dick, etc.

[#00Buck]

1 hour ago, PastryOfApathy said:

The thing about bronies is that the object of their obsession is in no uncertain terms explicitly for little girls. As such instead of just being as seen as a weird fetish, it's seen as a creepy manchild pedo thing.

Don't reinforce gender stereotypes! I must go to the safe space now. 

[PastryOfApathy]

29 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

Don't reinforce gender stereotypes! I must go to the safe space now. 

STOP TRIGGERING ME CIS SCUM!

[AshleyAshes]

6 hours ago, #00Buck said:

Then how do you explain Bronies?

They have lots of mainstream media to feed their fandom. They are regarded as being as bad or worse than furries. 

Bronies arnt a fandom, they're a subsection of the greater MLP fandom.  Theres an entire MLP fandom that goes back to the 80s that yours missing if you ignore them and focus on just on subcatagory.

[AshleyAshes]

Wow, I should not by typing on my phone today...

[PastryOfApathy]

3 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Bronies arnt a fandom, they're a subsection of the greater MLP fandom.  Theres an entire MLP fandom that goes back to the 80s that yours missing if you ignore them and focus on just on subcatagory.

I would disagree.

I mean technically they're part of the same fandom sure, but they're so different that for all practical purposes they're separate groups with some overlap.

[Saxon]

Whatever possible argument, no matter how contorted, should be accepted provided that it implies furries are no more sexual than everyone else. :V

 

Because reasons. 

 

 

Sexy reasons. 

[#00Buck]

51 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Bronies arnt a fandom, they're a subsection of the greater MLP fandom.  Theres an entire MLP fandom that goes back to the 80s that yours missing if you ignore them and focus on just on subcatagory.

Then furries are not a fandom. They are a subcategory of a greater fandom that enjoys anthro characters that appear in movies, comics, and television shows. 

[axelthefox]

Wasn't Nordguard written by a furry?

[WileyWarWeasel]

On 5/1/2016 at 4:55 AM, Calemeyr said:

The problem is a lot of furries (or rather a lot FA furries...) are too stupid to take advantage of this freedom.

...

With great power comes great responsibility...

[#00Buck]

5 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

With great power comes great responsibility...

With no power comes no responsibility. 

[Zeke]

On January 6, 2016 at 7:36 PM, axelthefox said:

Wasn't Nordguard written by a furry?

It was written by "blotch".

 

[Saxon]

On 1/5/2016 at 6:25 PM, Calemeyr said:

The problem is a lot of furries (or rather a lot FA furries...) are too stupid to take advantage of this freedom.

Is lackadaisy even made by furries? If yes, that'd be a diamond in the turd. That's what furry could do. Same with amazingly creative fursuits. But alas, that's the minority.

I think it may be a bandwagon thing. Go along with what's popular. There's a lot of good artists out there that would be great inspirations for newcomers to the fandom, but unfortunately the "popufurs" tend to be people like Zaush and the Bad Dragon team.

If Lackadaisy and Blacksad aren't made by furries, we need to make something like that ourselves. It could help the fandom out.

This fandom needs to do a much better job at exposing good artists.

I love Zaush. D:

 

44 minutes ago, Zeke said:

It was written by "blotch".

 

 

 

Blotch is more than one person; I think it is two women who work together in order to create hot gay furry spoo spoo. 

Edited January 7, 2016 by Saxon

[Vallium]

Why is this thread still here? Are people even talking on rainfurrest anymore?

[Saxon]

9 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

Why is this thread still here? Are people even talking on rainfurrest anymore?

Shhhh I like this thread. D:

[Zeke]

28 minutes ago, Saxon said:

 

Blotch is more than one person; 

I know. Blacktegan and Kenket. That's why I put it in quotations.

[Calemeyr]

19 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

Why is this thread still here? Are people even talking on rainfurrest anymore?

Rainfurrest is part of a bigger problem in the community, mainly being a huge portion of furries are absolute idiots.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Calemeyr

[Newt]

29 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

Why is this thread still here? Are people even talking on rainfurrest anymore?

Uhhhh.....

Rainfurrest is...bad?

nailed it

[Zeke]

11 minutes ago, Newt said:

Uhhhh.....

Rainfurrest is...bad?

nailed it

I wouldn't say it is bad, but furries can be degenerate filth when they can be at conventions. Any convention.
Like Oklacon as an example.