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6 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

Bottle piss for the win. 

I miss the bottle pisser. Made the forum a lot more fun. 

True, but I don't think that pepe(auto correct is great) would enjoy the migraine that comes with it. 

At least I'd have the soothing sounds of the GT4 soundtrack to cool me down :V

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59 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

The guy who pissed in the bottles was more self aware than this guy. 

Honestly I miss Sylox. I mean for all the shit I have him he really wasn't bad guy or anything, just really dumb. Like you could tell that there was actual potential for him to stop pissing in bottles and doing all sorts of dumb shit.

Rassah is just an elitist asshole with his head firmly stuck up his own ass like fucking Excalibur or something.

1 minute ago, #00Buck said:

Does anyone know how to get in touch with him?

Good luck.

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11 hours ago, 6tails said:

You're stupid. As I stated, rich trust-fund people only. This isn't for poor schmucks, this is to get money from MORONS LIKE YOU WHO HAVE MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS.

Why would people like me waste time on trying to win those nearly impossible to win things if we can just easily buy them outright? And people like me (or those who have money) have it precisely BECAUSE we know to avoid such scams. So, it's really only gullible and gamblers who you're targeting.

Also, scamming and ripping off people who are better off makes that not scamming and ripping people off? Well, I did ask what your brain was telling you to convince you that it's alright so you can sleep at night, and I guess "they deserve it" is your answer.

 

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And it's quite obvious, yet again, that you're a failure at money. Not to mention there are certain items that BY SIDE EFFECT OF CURRENT LAWS you cannot buy on ANY discount. All that supposed economic education and yet so very little legal education.

Don't know what the hell you're talking about. I can buy almost any item at a discount. But what does that have to do with the fact that every time you sell a $200 Walmart gift card, you end up ripping off people for a total of at least $1,200?

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Just now, #00Buck said:

This thread is kind of like a gang bang scene in a porn where there's two dozen dudes and one chick and she just keeps taking them on all at once. 

At this point his eye makeup would be running down his face.

Also, the chick is TOTALLY convinced that any minute now, this'll turn into a serious Netflix Original drama and be the rocket ship that launches her career, so she can't just give up now.

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3 minutes ago, 6tails said:

I note how you don't try addressing the fact that I pointed out one of the most predominant authorities in international financial crime calling your precious bitcon a scam as my source.

And I pointed out how your precious source became the laughing stock among tech circles. Do you know that the most predominant source on economic said that the internet is going to be useless and won't have any effect on business? People make fools of themselves when they're an authority on one subject, are stupid when it comes to technology, and end up trying to make some authoritative comments on it without first taking the time to understand it. Like, yourself for instance!

Would you like me to tear that guy's arguments to shreds?

3 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Kinda hard to argue with someone double your age and at least ten magnitudes of order more experienced than you are in financial matters, isn't it?

Um, double my age? Thanks for the compliment!😋 But no, it's very easy. I'm not arguing about his experience in finance, or in financial crimes. I'm sure he's way smarter than I am in those. I'm arguing about his lack of understanding of tech. An authority in one field isn't an expert on all. Guess you're still young to have figured that out (your idols are flawed and are only human! 😲)

3 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Especially when that persons texts are classroom materials in universities.

So's my grandpa's, but he sucked at business and finance.

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32 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Given our current average margin, that would be more like $210 for a $200 Wal-mart gift card.

Gonna pop this one out, cause it seems strange. Either your math is broken, or your company sucks at penny auctions, cause those typically earn 2x to 3x on what they sell. Can you give me an example of each bidding component's price? Say that $75,000 Tesla that you sell for $2,500. How much does each bid cost? Or increase the amount for?

 

11 minutes ago, 6tails said:

Nothing but a complete failure. If you could have torn it up, you would have. You failed to.

I, uh, didn't think I needed to. You didn't present any actual arguments or evidence yourself, and when you finally resorted to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, you STILL didn't provide any arguments or evidence besides "this guy said so." If you want me to shred his arguments, I have to actually go and dig up what he actually said, and then take appart those arguments. You haven't actually given me anything to tear up yet. Hell, I don't think you even read his book.

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Now you're going to spend about 45 minutes trying to find things to debunk.

Sell, yes, because you haven't actually given me anything to debunk, except your colossal misunderstanding of what bitcoin is and how it works.

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I got news for ya, while he was doing his investigation into Bitcon, he had plenty of tech people explaining things to him. They're credited as sources.

Probably tech people like you xD

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27 minutes ago, 6tails said:

It's a penny auction. I explained this up above. Try re-reading it.

I was hoping you would have said that for something like a $2,500 winning bid, the increments were more than a penny. Like $0.50 to $1. I mean, that means that Tesla would have 250,000 bids on it. That makes it soooo colossally worse! If you're like a typical penny auction site that charges ¢50 per bid, that means you're selling that $75,000 Tesla by robbing people of a total of $125,000, plus the $2,500 that the winner ends up having to pay. Means you should be making about $52,500 profit after the cost of that car. 

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12 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

There's literally more lamps than Rassah in that photo.  That is Rassah helping lamps take a selfie for Lampbook.com. O.o

That isn't even his hotel room. He's sleeping in his car. 

He just snuck into an empty room when them maid went in to clean the bathroom. 

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Huh, looks like I don't even have to debunk Robinson on his book. He says, quote, 

“It’s a tech buy, not a commodities buy, because the technology is very exciting and the technology is going to happen. The block chain is the future, but not necessarily with bitcoin.”

So he does believe that the blockchain tech will happen. Unfortunately for him and you, you can't have the blockchain without the bitcoin. They just don't work on their own. Without bitcoin to provide the distributed decentralized incentive to secure it and transfer records across it, all you have is an SQL database. So, I go back to "Hahahahaha! You're one of those 'bitcoin sucks but I like blockchain' people?" since you said you follow whatever he says, and reemphasize that if you believe the blockchain is future changing technology, like Robinson does, then so is bitcoin.

Btw, on brief coursory glance, it looks like Robinson believes that M-Pesa and Amazon credits are competitors to Bitcoin and will supplant it. He misses the fact that neither of those work globally, or can work globally due to regulatory issues, and both have a huge systemic risk where they depend entirely on the health and continued existence of a single corporation. Bitcoin works globally completely frictionlessly, and is completely independent of any corporation, bank, country, or political establishment. (I'm just assuming you didn't know any of this)

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He also falls flat on his face when he claims,

“It solves no problem. It exists, but it’s a solution in search of a problem.”

At the very least, it's the first time even in history that a software application can hold and spend its own money, being entirely and solely in control of it. Prior to Bitcoin, if you wanted to write an app that could automatically manage, send, and receive payments, you would have to go to a bank, open an account in your or someone else's name (your business), get access to the bank's APIs (which is still tough as hell to do), and then have your software control that money, sitting elsewhere in your name, remotely. Software couldn't own money itself.

In order for software to own, manage, send, and receive money as bitcoin, all it has to do is be able to hold a private cryptographic key (just a trying of random characters), cryptographically sign messages, and broadcast them to the network. No need to open bank accounts in anyone's name, and the software actually owns the money it spends. This means that theoretically you can even have completely independent apps (like a virus/worm) that holds it's own money, propagates by paying for its own server space, and using AI learning how to earn more money on its own. Without any ties to someone's bank account, or any human at all.

I would think being a tech guy you'd be excited about something like that (had you understood it to know about it).

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9 minutes ago, 6tails said:

I'm sorry, no, permissionless distributed databases can work just fine without something like bitcoin. My game world uses them to link multiple servers together to send world information between them without all the other useless overhead. There is no client, just a quick and simple blockchain written, distributed, and verified amongst the servers.

But that's not decentralized at all. You are in control, you manage and give permissions, you have to be completely trusted to not lie, and you are a single point of failure. All you have is a database running and synchronizing across multiple servers you directly control. How is that anything at all like bitcoin?

 

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22 minutes ago, 6tails said:

*cough* Second Life had this all before bitcon.

No it didn't. Second Life (which I have been using since beta, and have done a ton of currency stuff with) limits the software within the game, has a centrally controlled currency, and still has an account tied to a real person. You are just replacing a person's USD account with a person's $L account, and claiming they're somehow different.

Since you don't get it, here's an example. I can write an app that stores and controls its own bitcoin. That bitcoin isn't stored on some bank, or some server, or in some game. The whole entirety of the money is all, completely, inside this app. I can teach this app to manage and offer file storage, like a Dropbox, and how to open hosting accounts and pay for them in Bitcoin (which you can do with tons of them now). And I can teach it how to use Amazon's Mechanical Turk service to have others write code for it to teach it how to set itself up on different hosting services, and improve its own code. Then, I can "release it into the wild," installing it on some first hosting place using the app's own money, and deleting my own local version. At this point, the app and its money have moved entirely from my computer to that hosting service server. The money, all of it including full control of it, moves completely with the app. It doesn't sit on some server somewhere where the app points to it with APIs, it is only wherever the app itself is, stored and managed internally.

Now this app can earn its own money by providing Dropbox like services, use its own money that it earned to pay for its own "housing" by paying for server hosting srrvice, can reproduce and propagate by paying people to improve its own code and teach it how to get set up on other services, can create test children by making copies with different code and see how they survive in the wild, and can survive in the wild all on its own while continuing to evolve. I would have no control of it at all, and wouldn't even know where it is, how much money it's earning, or what it's doing. And if it hosts copyrighted or illegal content, there isn't a human to go after to prosecute. I'm not the one running this app, or am in any way involved with it. It is its own "Autonomous Entity," and the only way to "kill" it is to find it, delete it, delete all its offspring, and hope it didn't learn how to "survive," by having backup copies around the web.

Moreso, someone else can release a competing version, and these multiple versions can compete against each other for people's money (market share) and scarce resources (available hosting space). 

Can you do that with Second Life, or anything else?

16 minutes ago, 6tails said:

They only acept input from other servers

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It can't take commands, it can't process anything other than bare-basic essentials (player position, messages sent to players across worlds, and other than that there's nothing. ZERO EXPLOIT.

So what you're saying is that all I need to do is get access to one of those servers (such as by being an employee of the housting company), and send false data from one of those trusted servers.

The difference is that bitcoin doesn't have trusted servers. No one anywhere on the entire bitcoin infrastructure is trusted.

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53 minutes ago, Revates said:

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I tried...

Lol! Yeah, that hotel was trying to be all fancy with lamps or something, and didn't have any damn mirrors but that one xD Also funny how my suit matches the lamps. I didn't even realize that till now. Your blue ones ruined it :(

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42 minutes ago, 6tails said:

DID YOU NOT READ THE SERVERS CANNOT ACCEPT INPUTS AND ONLY HANDLE SPECIFIC PRE-DEFINED DATA TYPES AND RESTRICTED AT THAT?

That's literally impossible. If I can hook up a keyboard, boot from a USB, get access to the hard drive, and change bits directly, I can sure as hell make them accept inputs. Hell, I don't even need direct access. Just MITM or Sybil the things. Spoof data, or break them by not letting them get the data.

42 minutes ago, 6tails said:

And no, ANYONE can put a server into the world as long as it utilizes the same engine and has the proper world link code, and if people don't want to directly link their own worlds to it, they can refuse connections coming directly from it (forcing other players to go through other worlds first to get to that destination world.) That's kinda the point of an INFINITELY EXPANDABLE AND EXTENSIBLE SANDBOX WORLD. If the world base code does not match the code for all the other servers (map code can be different because it's not a passed or dependent parameter for anyone not local to that world instance,) it gets rejected and tossed off the network.

You are basically describing a world where each server is its own individual trusted party, and all others trust that server as the authority for only that server. Simple example: let's say I use this world to create 5 widgets on my server. All other servers now agree, I have 5 widgets. Now I use my server to send one if my widgets to another server. How do you guarantee that I have actually sent that widget, and not just made a copy? All servers see it and enforce a consensus, so that if I try to send my copy again, they all know that the other server already has it, and mine is a fake duplicate? OK. But what if I send that widget to two servers at the same time and they both decide that they have it? Now the consensus is broken. How do you fix it? How do all the servers agree on who actually has that widget now?

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I'll never understand how 2 people who clearly disagree to the highest degree can just sit here and have a back-and-forth for like 9 fucking pages.

Christ I usually get bored after like a page or two of this kind of shit. I applaud you guys for being this stubborn.

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4 minutes ago, Kaizy said:

I'll never understand how 2 people who clearly disagree to the highest degree can just sit here and have a back-and-forth for like 9 fucking pages.

Christ I usually get bored after like a page or two of this kind of shit. I applaud you guys for being this stubborn.

Deep down they really have the hots for each other and this is there variation of RP / Internet Sex :P

All we need now is someone with a megaphone to proudly shout out loud to tell them to fuck already. @#00Buck you'd be good with a megaphone I reckon :v

 

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1 minute ago, Naesaki said:

Deep down they really have the hots for each other and this is there variation of RP / Internet Sex :P

All we need now is someone with a megaphone to proudly shout out loud to tell them to fuck already. @#00Buck you'd be good with a megaphone I reckon :v

Honestly I could imagine like 90% of his posts being said through a megaphone.

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4 hours ago, Kaizy said:

I'll never understand how 2 people who clearly disagree to the highest degree can just sit here and have a back-and-forth for like 9 fucking pages.

Christ I usually get bored after like a page or two of this kind of shit. I applaud you guys for being this stubborn.

The key is not getting into a "debate" in the first place because internet debates are fucking stupid, especially when the person desperately trying to bait you into one is a complete twat.

It's much better to just point and laugh at their impotent and desperate attempts to insult you as opposed to doing whatever the fuck @6tails is doing right now.

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14 hours ago, 6tails said:

Pffttt..... And how do you intend to change the bits directly if you don't know what it's written in? Get access to what? Distributed servers across the world that you can't possibly find, let alone get to? Keep failing! Speaking of...

*blah blah blah blah blah*

So in other words your servers aren't designed to handle anything secure besides stuff no one would care about, and are thus not an analogy to cryptocurrency at all.

Personally, I just find it amusing, and a bit annoying, that you are basically claiming that you're better than the world's top cryptographers, and could easily do something that they have failed to do for almost 30 years before bitcoin was finally figured out.

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29 minutes ago, 6tails said:

I get shit all the time. I'm currently looking for likely platinum-group metals mining locations to add to our club claims list so we can go hitting up Iridium, Osmium, Platinum, etc.

If you find any Uranium, send it my way! I need it for... reasons.

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23 hours ago, 6tails said:

We just dug that up out of the Morongo Basin (manganese oxide is a motherfucker on metal detectors!) and identified its purity.

That'll probably fetch $50K at auction given how rare it is to find such a perfectly alloyed mix of gold and copper. 7.8 Troy ounces, 18K.

Oh, congrats? How much of that "we" is actually yours? Good luck keeping it safe. And finding a buyer. And not get ripped off. And paying transportation and validation fees. And taxes. Oh, and can you buy anything with that turd looking thing? No. Which means it's actually worthless, right?

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REAL MONEY RASSAH. Something you do not understand.

"Real money," huh? The characteristics of money are: durability, portability, divisibility, uniformity, limited supply, and acceptability. So how does your money thing stack up?

Durability: maybe. Hope it doesn't oxidize.

Portability: kinda. Have to pay a lot to keep it safe while transporting or shipping.

Divisibility: Not really. Hard to break off a $1 piece of that, let alone penny amounts, and you may destroy the value of the whole piece in the process.

Uniformity: Not at all. This piece is not uniform itself, and no other pieces like it exist. If you paid someone in this, no one would be able to give you change in something similar.

Limited supply: Who the hell knows. For now yes, but there may be a comet full of these nearby.

Acceptability: nope. No one will take this for payment, and you need chemicals, equipment, and expertise to even know what you're getting.

So, no, you don't actually understand what real money is. What you found is a commodity with numismatic value. Not "real money."

What you will trade it for is "real money," which does actually have the characteristics of durability, portability, divisibility, uniformity, limited supply, and acceptability. Well, not sure about portability and limited supply, since Dollars and Euros still have some problems with that. Bitcoin has all of those perfectly.

 

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Your bitcoin can't even hold a candle. Never will.

Except that I just showed that it can and does. What you've found is only worth 107 bitcoin. Except my 107 bitcoin is much more useful than that piece. At the least I can use it to get 15% discounts on all Amazon purchases, and 20% discounts at Starbucks. 

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People will value this more than they'll value intangible numbers, all day any day.

Your tangible little piece of metal is worth $50k. Know how much people value intangible numbers? To the sum of $1.39 trillion dolars. And that's just USD. All your money is intangible numbers. You sure I'm the one who doesn't understand money?

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It's like you fail to understand inherent value when it comes to barter and trade.

You mean, like, "utility?" Why something like gold ends up with inherent value that is 95% above it's industrial value and ends up being used as money, while something like bread or fish or lead sucks at money? Look at the list of qualities I posted above. Bitcoin's inherent value comes from that utility, where it is the best, most advanced, and most feature potential money we have.

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I know the last part of Kryptos, your top cryptographers do not. What are your top cryptographers worth when they can't even do that?

Uh, why does knowing an obscure puzzle that uses a cryptography scheme no one uses in the real world matter when it comes to crypto security, game theory, economics, network security, etc?

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BTW, I know how to defeat quantum encryption. It's so simple, too. Hooray for knowing basic physics!

Good for you! Don't know why this is relevant.

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Hal Finney, David Chaum, Ralph Merkle, Whitfield Diffie, Martin Hellman, Alfred Menezes, Adam Back, and lesser known Mike Hearn, Kristov Atlas, Gregory Maxwell, and Chris Odom are the cryptographers who are involved in Bitcoin. If you claim you're better than any of them, that's some hubris you got there.

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