Käpt'n Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The most important mufti of Saudi Arabia banned chess by fatwa because, according to him, it is the same as gambling and can cause conflicts between players.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-mufti They also banned it because it can distract muslims from performing their 5 daily prayers. Chess originated in the middle east and from there it came to the west. People in islamic countries play a lot of chess, so this move really surprised me. Although, chess used to be banned in Iran as well. This whole thing reminds me of the scientific period of prosperity in the middle east before islam took over completely... This is tragic :T Meanwhile, the Saudis still enjoy horse racing :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 He accuses chess of promoting 'hatred and enmity', which is why it is forbidden in Islam. The irony is excruciating. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Five quid says Mr Grand Mufti muncher can't play chess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt'n Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, Khaki said: Five quid says Mr Grand Mufti muncher can't play chess. He kept losing and got pissed, so he banned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt'n Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 29 minutes ago, Saxon said: He accuses chess of promoting 'hatred and enmity', which is why it is forbidden in Islam. The irony is excruciating. It's true. The irony really is excruciating in this case. A religion that has specific words to call non-muslim countries enemies is concerned about a simple game? Yeah, right... And as I said, at the same time horse racing is huge in Saudi Arabia even though their religion prohibits gambling. It just makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 46 minutes ago, Käpt'n said: He kept losing and got pissed, so he banned it. It's a simple case of "Stop liking what I don't like!" on a grand scale, somebody should check mate his arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt'n Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 29 minutes ago, 6tails said: Thankfully, a fatwa is simply a proclamation of interpretation of the teachings of Islam, and not exactly a binding statement, as anyone familiar with the teachings of Islam may issue a fatwa. Considering that islam is pretty much the law there and since this order came from the highest muff in the country this kind of is a complete ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Dog racing is extremely popular in Saudi arabia breeds like azawakh and saluki are brought out to the desert and set on a gazelle who runs away. The whole debacle is kept in a relatively straight track by like 50 driving SUVs full of gamblers watching their dogs (it's actually very fun to watch, there's plenty of videos on YouTube) though I imagine this goes on under the radar because not only is it a form of gambling, but owning dogs for non working purposes is not allowed in their religion though they could easily say this is done to test the dogs hunting abilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised it's rather because they fear that chess may make their players think too much. :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Käpt'n said: Considering that islam is pretty much the law there and since this order came from the highest muff in the country this kind of is a complete ban. It's not an edict; your article said it was unlikely to be enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Well, chess is kinda racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Rassah said: Well, chess is kinda racist Yes; calling the pieces 'kings, bishops, knights' and so forth is clearly eurocentric. :V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Saxon said: Yes; calling the pieces 'kings, bishops, knights' and so forth is clearly eurocentric. :V That's classist. I guess also bad. I meant that it's black on white violence 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Rassah said: That's classist. I guess also bad. I meant that it's black on white violence I know; I was deliberately not mentioning the black-white thing for comic effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcstinks Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Can we just agree that Saudi Arabia is the worst country in the world? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, jcstinks said: Can we just agree that Saudi Arabia is the worst country in the world? I would say North Korea is first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, jcstinks said: Can we just agree that Saudi Arabia is the worst country in the world? It's debatable whether the Islamic State or North Korea is worse than Saudi Arabia, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuttButt Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) maaaan, that sucks, I love chess. Why'd that grand muffler gotta go ban it by fetty wap? T.T Edited January 22, 2016 by MuttButt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt'n Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Saxon said: It's not an edict; your article said it was unlikely to be enforced. Whether it will be enforced or not, it will still have an impact on a lot of people. 1 hour ago, Saxon said: It's debatable whether the Islamic State or North Korea is worse than Saudi Arabia, in my opinion. I wouldn't call it the absolute worst, but it might be somewhere in the top 5, at least as far as the recognition of human rights goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Saxon said: Yes; calling the pieces 'kings, bishops, knights' and so forth is clearly eurocentric. :V what i want to know is why the white pieces are called kings and queens and the black ones arent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 U will neve stop men in dresses in the desert from doing what they want to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, 6tails said: That's ethnicist. It's actually white on black violence since white makes the first move. Well, at least that's historically accurate... North Korea is by far the worst country in the world. No other countries run Nazi-style concentration camps to this day, except for North Korea. Read this if you don't mind having nightmares tonight http://freekorea.us/camps/22-2/ But Saudi Arabia is possibly the future worst country in the world. It's an oil rich country, ruled with an iron fist by semi-secular monarchy, while the citizens are extremely religious. So to keep the peasant from revolting, the government uses that oil income to pay everyone a stipend (guaranteed income, like some people here support). As a result, jobs and skills are not critical to survival. And when combined with the extremely religious culture and peer pressure, that results in EVERONE going to the university to get a theology degree. Because if you go for something other than theology, you must hate god or something. And that's why that country is so fucking stupid! No one has any advanced skills, aside from what they learned in practice (merchants and hand crafts and such). So, once their oil runs out, it will be an entire country of 30 million people, who are completely dumb, while being totally convinced that they are righteous and better than everyone else. And when their entire economy completely collapses and they see how much worse off they are compared to everyone else in the world, they won't think "maybe we're doing something wrong..." Because religion never lets anyone think that they're wrong. And they'll get even angrier and more desperate at the rest of the world than even now. Edited January 23, 2016 by Rassah Griffin was supposed to be religion. Stupid swipe keyboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Gamedog said: U will neve stop men in dresses in the desert those guys are wearing pants though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, willow said: those guys are wearing pants though YOU WILL NEVER STOP MEN IN DRESSES IN THE DESERT FROM DOING WHAT THEY WANT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skullmiser Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 This makes little sense to me. Would they not have to ban many other games as well? Lots of games can cause enmity. Remember when Icheb defeated Tuvok in a game of Kal-toh in the Star Trek Voyager episode," End Game?" Much disappointment and ill feelings ensued. What about Checkers, Kadis-kot, or Monopoly? All the same, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Lee Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rassah said: Well, chess is kinda racist Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not... I knew a black guy who said that, because the white pieces always went first. He had a very strong victim complex. Laws are designed to suppress blacks. Black people have always been suppressed and enslaved throughout the entire human history. Cake is racist, devil's food cake is brown. He was a nice guy but I use his attitude as an example of the victim complex that some urban blacks have where they see racism everywhere and then we get stupid shit like U of Missouri. 1 hour ago, Gamedog said: U will neve stop men in dresses in the desert from doing what they want to do I wonder how many fender benders those SUVs on the sidelines have. They're so busy watching the dogs run they slam into the vehicle in front of them. 1 hour ago, Rassah said: So, once their oil runs out, it will be an entire country of 30 million people, who are completely dumb, while being totally convinced that they are righteous and better than everyone else. And when their entire economy completely collapses and they see how much worse off they are compared to everyone else in the world, they won't think "maybe we're doing something wrong..." Because Griffin never lets anyone think that they're wrong. And they'll get even angrier and more desperate at the rest of the world than even now. This will probably happen in all the middle eastern countries. They run out of oil, which is the only export that keeps their economy afloat (and keeps the royals rich), and the countries become the next chaotic terrorist states, kinda like Yemen or Afghanistan. Edited January 22, 2016 by Crazy Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pignog Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 im puttin a fatwa of my own on his ass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 5 hours ago, Saxon said: It's debatable whether the Islamic State or North Korea is worse than Saudi Arabia, in my opinion. You can leave Saudi Arabia without having to potentially run across literal minefields, and being forced to face the prospect of having your entire family being thrown in horrific labor camps for the rest of their lives because of your freedom. Also Saudi Arabia has actual food you can actually eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt'n Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Skullmiser said: This makes little sense to me. Would they not have to ban many other games as well? >>Implying that anything religious nutjobs do makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pignog Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, PastryOfApathy said: You can leave Saudi Arabia without having to potentially run across literal minefields, and being forced to face the prospect of having your entire family being thrown in horrific labor camps for the rest of their lives because of your freedom. Also Saudi Arabia has actual food you can actually eat. both are probably chess free and therefore should be glassed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Crazy Lee said: This will probably happen in all the middle eastern countries. They run out of oil, which is the only export that keeps their economy afloat (and keeps the royals rich), and the countries become the next chaotic terrorist states, kinda like Yemen or Afghanistan. A bunch of those countries don't have oil. So they're ok, cause they actually do the business and economy thing (e.g. Dubai) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pignog Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 can anyone provide me with a list of halal board games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 For a moment, I read that as "Cheese" and was about to post asking what do the saudis have against cheese. But banning chess is stupid AF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Pignog said: can anyone provide me with a list of halal board games This one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 So is Warhammer still considered halal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Lee Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rassah said: A bunch of those countries don't have oil. So they're ok, cause they actually do the business and economy thing (e.g. Dubai) You sure about that? The UAE are filthy rich, building all sorts of shiny new buildings and stuff. I've even heard they give out $1000 a month to all their citizens, which explains why they have to bring in immigrants from poor countries in Asia and Pacifica to do all their manual labor. I figured they had all that money from oil. If not, where? Edit: According to wikipedia, 7th largest oil reserve in the world, with the 3rd largest oil field in the middle east. Edited January 23, 2016 by Crazy Lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikugemu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Who needs chess when you can decapitate infidels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileyWarWeasel Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 11 hours ago, Crazy Lee said: This will probably happen in all the middle eastern countries. They run out of oil, which is the only export that keeps their economy afloat (and keeps the royals rich), and the countries become the next chaotic terrorist states, kinda like Yemen or Afghanistan. Don't worry, if they start causing too much trouble we shall meet their swordsmen on the battlefield of honor with our Coldstream Guards! Or whatever modern chicanery we use nowadays :V (Loss of oil production would be a devastating blow though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revates Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Saudi Arabia ruins all the fun. I guess that's another reason not to visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revates Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Just now, Saxon said: You can't visit it unless you're a Muslim going on Hajj or a close family member of someone already in Saudi Arabia. That's another reason not to visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlynnCoyote Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The rest of the world should ban Saudi Arabia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Saudi Arabia is trying to kill of the USA's fracking industry with it's continued use of Low Oil. It assumed that Oil would float around $45 - $50 for a few years and that would destroy the USA's economic ability to get cheap oil. Unfortunately Russia called their bluff and swore that Russian Oil would cost less than $50 until 2019 - 2020... Iran is now sanction free and its oil is on the way to EU countries, and oil is now less than $30 a barrel. The Saudi economy is crumbling around them as they depend purely on the oil for 90% of their economy. They're fucked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pignog Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Taikugemu said: Who needs chess when you can decapitate infidels? because some days your blood is pumpin and u wanna go wild and decapitate a non-believer other days u wanna sit back with your buds, smoke some shisha, and play a nice game of chess in any time, in any place, the deeds of men remain the same Edited January 23, 2016 by Pignog adding anime quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 11 hours ago, Crazy Lee said: You sure about that? The UAE are filthy rich, building all sorts of shiny new buildings and stuff. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Dubai "Although Dubai's economy was initially built on revenues from the oil industry, revenue from petroleum andnatural gas currently account for less than 2% of the emirate's gross domestic product." Dubai is filthy rich because it went the smart "brains and trade" route, instead of relying on their oil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodshot_Eyes Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Chess sucks anyway. Tetris is a real mans game. In the end, you're only playing yourself; there's no enemy. Death is inevitable; there's no "right" way to stop it. It comes at you randomly, chess has predefined ways to win against specific board layouts (chess is to understanding strategy, as date memorization is to understanding history). In Tetris there's no end game but death, the mark you leave on that scoreboard, and the mark the game made on you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonnaise Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Ughhh... I hope this fatwa doesn't pop up here as well. Wouldn't be surprised if it does though, plenty if guests think they did me a favour by breaking of the cross on the king pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Mayonnaise said: Ughhh... I hope this fatwa doesn't pop up here as well. US declares fatwa on chess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 16 hours ago, Revates said: Saudi Arabia ruins all the fun. I guess that's another reason not to visit. Dont worry, I used to live there. You are missing nothing but being witness to an aristocracy that terrorizes with secret police, insane entitled weatlhy people who drive their luxury cars without a though of safety for others, brutal corporal punishments on imported foreigner labor(basically slaves), and a culture repressed in every way you are free. And desert, devoid of plantlife. When they run out of oil, theyre all gonna die or descend into anarchy. Serves em right, nothing of value will be lost except their stupid black Allah moon rock. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrecker Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 FUCK Saudi Arabia. Fuck everything about that country. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyllostachys Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Only if the British didn't support the Sauds and thus by proxy, Wahhabism. While no one can say for certain, perhaps the Hashimid rule would have resulted something better than what we have now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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