Rant: Y U NOT GAY, GAMES?!

[AlexInsane]

WHY aren't there more games with gay characters, gay sex, gay....anything, really? Gay houseplants. Gay light fixtures. Gay potato salad. I don't care what, so long as it exudes an intense air of HOT, STEAMING MANSEX. Oh, and bacon.  

There are such games out there. Coming Out On Top is probably the most well known and the best done out of the extremely short list. Text based dating sims are all well and good, but how good they are varies tremendously. If the text is garbled, or translated from another language badly, the whole game becomes less "I'm enjoying looking at hot guys" to "WTF DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?"

This rant came about because I found a game called Rinse and Repeat, where you basically wash another guy in a gym shower. I could tell it was cobbled together out of nearly nothing at all, but only after playing it. The premise is interesting, but the gameplay and especially the speech patterns will reduce you to a confused, bemused mess in under 5 minutes. 

Put it like this: it's like Microsoft Sam had a Second Life account and you RPd taking a shower with him. And he's an asshole about you WAGGLING YOUR MOUSE AROUND ON VARIOUS PARTS OF HIS BODY. He rates the job you did in terms of a percentage. Instead of being aroused, you find yourself muttering 'fuckin' stupid' and fleeing to the warm bosom of a porn search site. 

Dragon Age has long had gay romance options, and it's well done, right up until your characters kiss one another, and then suddenly it's like Minecraft: XXX edition, with hands clipping through faces and awkward positions and no actual mouth contact and just...ugh. 

I need more gay games. MORE. I DEMAND IT. 

[AshleyAshes]

Because video games are only supposed to be about straight bros on a mission to save their girlfriends/sisters/some chick they met in the opening cut scene and if you don't like it, that means you're against ethics in games journalism!

Edited December 24, 2015 by AshleyAshes

[Hewge]

All games should have beefy, gay, cartoon animal people in them! It would be healthy for the industry, really...

[Chrysocyon]

I'm sure there's a lot of gay characters in video games, but yeah, Bioware games are the only real games that I can think of with explicitly gay dating and romance elements.

[PastryOfApathy]

I don't see why it really matters. I mean unless there's a serious romance subplot or something it's kinda irrelevant.

[#00Buck]

Pac man was gay.

So were all the blocks in Tetris. 

Stop complaining.

Plenty of gay games out there. 

[AlexInsane]

6 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

I don't see why it really matters. I mean unless there's a serious romance subplot or something it's kinda irrelevant.

Okay.

So, like, you know that sex sells, right? Yeah?

And, specifically, boobs sell? Boobage = lotsa spaghetti, okay? Right. Good. 

If you want my money, game designers, show me some cocks. Or at least some really hot looking guys who are exhibitionists. Shirtless guys would be enough. Pantsless would be better. 

4 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

Pac man was gay.

So were all the blocks in Tetris. 

Stop complaining.

Plenty of gay games out there. 

Pac Man was married, for God's sake. I bet Mrs. Pac Man was like "The only one who's gonna do any ball swallowing in this relationship is me." and he was all

Tetris blocks....naaaah. There's gay and then there's kinky, and kinky is definitely what Tetris was. Straight, but bent. 

[AshleyAshes]

10 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

I don't see why it really matters.

Because a beach volley ball game where I get to play dress up with virtual male anime characters ranging from hunks to traps would be fucking AWESOME!  And I can think of a great new way to use Tecmo's 'Jiggle' physics. :3 :3 :3

[AlexInsane]

Wiener Wiggle Physics engine. MAKE. IT. HAPPEN. 

[#00Buck]

5 minutes ago, AlexInsane said:

Okay.

So, like, you know that sex sells, right? Yeah?

And, specifically, boobs sell? Boobage = lotsa spaghetti, okay? Right. Good. 

If you want my money, game designers, show me some cocks. Or at least some really hot looking guys who are exhibitionists. Shirtless guys would be enough. Pantsless would be better. 

Pac Man was married, for God's sake. I bet Mrs. Pac Man was like "The only one who's gonna do any ball swallowing in this relationship is me." and he was all

Tetris blocks....naaaah. There's gay and then there's kinky, and kinky is definitely what Tetris was. Straight, but bent. 

Mrs. Pac Man was trans. 

All the Tetris blocks were homos. 

Dig Dug was gay and had an inflation fetish. 

Know your homo games. Jeez!

[AlexInsane]

Mrs. Pac-Man was not pac'n. I don't habeeb it. 

Next thing you'll tell me is that the nice lady at the library with those hairy hands and that strong jawline is really a...a...a MARTIAN. 

[willow]

I wouldn't mind seeing more LGBT characters in games but I'm also opposed to the idea simply because that means all of my gay characters would be getting more action than me..and I just can't have that :v

[AlexInsane]

2 minutes ago, willow said:

I wouldn't mind seeing more LGBT characters in games but I'm also opposed to the idea simply because that means all of my gay characters would be getting more action than me..and I just can't have that :v

Actually, in most games that have gay characters, if they have an option for you to get laid, you usually have to jump through hoops to do it. I mean, in DA:I, Dorian is pretty much the village bicycle, but Bull you've got to go out and KILL A FRICKIN DRAGON before he's all like "Okay, you're my waifu now."

[AshleyAshes]

Much more on topic: I freakin SOBBED at the end of Gone Home after I learned that the two girls ran off together.

[Chrysocyon]

16 minutes ago, AlexInsane said:

Wiener Wiggle Physics engine. MAKE. IT. HAPPEN. 

Already a thing. It's quite beautiful.

[Gamedog]

Any game where the characters dont explicitly state they're straight/dating/married to oposite sex has the potential to have gay characters.

 

People are always saying to add gay characters in movies/games and there's no way to add characters like this without being obnoxious and obviously adding in a Token Gay Character.

Someone on Tumblr actually made a good post about this, so I'm gonna paste it here:

1. You should only represent gay characters in a positive light. Due to the unfair and undue historical position of inequality gay people have labored under it only adds to the hatred leveled against gay people when you give them negative character traits.

2. You need more “advanced” gay characters. What does that mean? Well either see rule 2 or maybe it means “well written”. You do think of gay people as people right? Either way it kind of just means whatever we want it to. Society has certain expectations of its writers.

3. Despite author’s continued insistence on writing gay characters, despite not being gay themselves, it’s clear they are homophobic because of their “un-advanced” gay characters. This stock accusation and others like it can be used to dismiss and shit on artists and artwork that doesn’t promote our belief system. Eventually becoming an ever more invasive system of rules that dictate the story to the artist.

4. Does one gay character talk to another gay character without the topic of men being part of the discussion?

[TrishaCat]

Try Morenatsu

[Joel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_characters_in_video_games

[Imperial Impact]

Try Meme run, OP

1 hour ago, Battlechili said:

Try Morenatsu

Don't try this.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Imperial Impact

[Recel]

I prefer if my games focus isn't on whose pants the main character(s) want to get into.

[Vae]

Metal Gear's a pretty gay series.

Snake basically ends up married to Otacon.
Big Boss had stuff going on with both Kaz and Ocelot.
The main villain of MGS3 (Volgin) was also explicitly bisexual with a boyfriend.

And that's not even going into secondary characters, like Vamp.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Vae

[AlexInsane]

9 hours ago, Gamedog said:

Any game where the characters dont explicitly state they're straight/dating/married to oposite sex has the potential to have gay characters.

 

People are always saying to add gay characters in movies/games and there's no way to add characters like this without being obnoxious and obviously adding in a Token Gay Character.

Someone on Tumblr actually made a good post about this, so I'm gonna paste it here:

1. You should only represent gay characters in a positive light. Due to the unfair and undue historical position of inequality gay people have labored under it only adds to the hatred leveled against gay people when you give them negative character traits.

2. You need more “advanced” gay characters. What does that mean? Well either see rule 2 or maybe it means “well written”. You do think of gay people as people right? Either way it kind of just means whatever we want it to. Society has certain expectations of its writers.

3. Despite author’s continued insistence on writing gay characters, despite not being gay themselves, it’s clear they are homophobic because of their “un-advanced” gay characters. This stock accusation and others like it can be used to dismiss and shit on artists and artwork that doesn’t promote our belief system. Eventually becoming an ever more invasive system of rules that dictate the story to the artist.

4. Does one gay character talk to another gay character without the topic of men being part of the discussion?

First off, the idea of tokenism is questionable. I'm going to play devil's advocate and put forth the argument that anything can be put in a negative light if you want it to be. Which is more damaging, honestly - to have a sitcom where there's no racial or gender (or sexual) diversity, or to have one where there's minor racial and gender diversity?

Furthermore:

1. You should represent gay characters as...people. There's nobody out there who should always be presented in a good light because NOBODY is that good or deserving of that goodness. Just because you're persecuted doesn't make you more righteous than everyone else. 

2.I agree that characters in any media should be well-written, should be multi-dimensional and vibrant and distinct, regardless of sexuality. 

3. A lot of people live in their own little world, where things like racism and discrimination, as well as diversity in the human spectrum, simply don't exist. I imagine this person would be equally hard pressed to write a book about Asians or black people as they would be about gays. Admittedly, those are races and the other's a sexuality, but the idea is more or less the same. If you write all gay guys as either the masculine hunk or the flaming queen, then you haven't experienced how different gay people can be. 

4. Sexuality is defined by sexual attraction. It is a common topic for discussion, although some people get squicked about it. It's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation: if you're gay, you like men. It will inevitably come up. If you didn't like only men, you'd be bi, if you didn't like em at all you'd be straight, and if the thought of having sex with anyone made you want to throw up you'd be asexual. 

If you're gay, you have to admit to it. I mean, you can't say "I'm gay because I like doing X", where X is anything non-sexual, because ANYONE, straight or gay, could do it. 

"I'm gay because I like knitting." So does my grandmother.

"I'm gay because I like taking bubble baths." Doesn't everyone?

[Butters]

Kanji is my fav gay video game character. And his evil gay bathhouse is a fun level. 

[willow]

10 hours ago, Gamedog said:

People are always saying to add gay characters in movies/games and there's no way to add characters like this without being obnoxious and obviously adding in a Token Gay Character.

nah it's actually pretty easy to do. the real problem is that most people (read: cis, straight people) don't really know how to write LGBT characters without them being obnoxious to hammer in the point that "this character is x"

 

 

[Recel]

1 minute ago, willow said:

nah it's actually pretty easy to do. the real problem is that most people (read: cis, straight people) don't really know how to write LGBT characters without them being obnoxious to hammer in the point that "this character is x"

That's true. But often people want to hammer it into any story/game or whatnot even if it's utterly unneeded or pointless. Just because you can add a gay character doesn't mean it will improve anything.

[willow]

1 minute ago, Recel said:

That's true. But often people want to hammer it into any story/game or whatnot even if it's utterly unneeded or pointless. Just because you can add a gay character doesn't mean it will improve anything.

that's what I'm saying

though I don't think anyone's really trying to improve anything. it's more about wanting to show diversity in games.

[Recel]

18 minutes ago, willow said:

that's what I'm saying

though I don't think anyone's really trying to improve anything. it's more about wanting to show diversity in games.

Diversity is nice, but honestly I would love if they would start with body shapes first opposed to sexuality.

[Onnes]

2 minutes ago, Recel said:

Diversity is nice, but honestly I would love if they would start with body shapes first opposed to sexuality.

Given how much trouble most games have keeping animations and clothing sane on nearly identical character models, I'm guessing more diverse bodies are still a ways off outside of the stock alien and fantasy race divisions.

[Recel]

1 minute ago, Onnes said:

Given how much trouble most games have keeping animations and clothing sane on nearly identical character models, I'm guessing more diverse bodies are still a ways off outside of the stock alien and fantasy race divisions.

If moders can find a way to do it in a semi automated fashion I'm sure big teams could do it too.

[AshleyAshes]

11 hours ago, Gamedog said:

4. Does one gay character talk to another gay character without the topic of men being part of the discussion?

$100 says that few in this thread even know what this is a reference too.

[Vitaly]

OP, you are pathetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr8-5Fn_6XY

Edited December 24, 2015 by Vitaly

[Vae]

On the topic of writing gay characters: It's not difficult to write them and their relationships into a story without being "token" about it.

In my setting, Lud's in a homosexual relationship (although he, himself, is bi), and it features heavily into his character development and a few of the decisions he makes to get the actual plot going (since everything up to that point is worldbuilding for the most part), and neither of the characters are reduced to obnoxious, walking stereotypes.

The key to that is... just write them as people.
Could you switch out the genders of the involved, and literally nothing would change, about their interactions and how they act in general?
Congratulations, you're not reducing them to their sexuality.

Their relationships can be featured on-screen without making it obnoxious, I assure you.


Also, they should just be people. Making them nothing but beacons of upstanding morality is also just reducing them to stereotyping, and creating a division between people based on their sexuality.
There should be a focus on blending and normalizing the idea of non-het sexualities to het-focused societies. Not pushing them further out into their own little bubble.

[Harbinger]

To this day i still have no idea why being gay has such a fucking impact on the ability to enjoy games, like holy shit, why the fuck does GAYmer con exist. Gamers regardless of sexuality can enjoy games, can we also get a con for gamers who dont like cheese and one for marmite liking gamers?

Bioware's pathetic in the matter where its apparently newsworthy that a character is gay, its ridiculous.

Before this blows up no i dont see anything wrong with gay guys n gurls, i just dont see why the industry needs to change itself for them. Yes have gay characters, just dont make a big deal over it the same as you woudlnt make a deal over straight characters.

[Butters]

1 minute ago, Harbinger said:

To this day i still have no idea why being gay has such a fucking impact on the ability to enjoy games, like holy shit, why the fuck does GAYmer con exist. Gamers regardless of sexuality can enjoy games, can we also get a con for gamers who dont like cheese and one for marmite liking gamers?

Bioware's pathetic in the matter where its apparently newsworthy that a character is gay, its ridiculous.

Before this blows up no i dont see anything wrong with gay guys n gurls, i just dont see why the industry needs to change itself for them. Yes have gay characters, just dont make a big deal over it the same as you woudlnt make a deal over straight characters.

And where's straight pride? Godamn gays trying to takeover the parade scene. 

(Bigots stay single, Harb) 

[AshleyAshes]

29 minutes ago, Harbinger said:

To this day i still have no idea why being gay has such a fucking impact on the ability to enjoy games, like holy shit, why the fuck does GAYmer con exist. Gamers regardless of sexuality can enjoy games, can we also get a con for gamers who dont like cheese and one for marmite liking gamers?

This is mainly because the most vocal demographic of gamers are, well, for lack of a more complicated term; 'A bunch of bros'.  GLBT individuals would like to engage in their appreciation of games, participate in it's culture, and play games online or in real life with others without being asked 'Well, how do you KNOW you're gay?  Maybe you just haven't eaten the right mad pussy yet, bra?  I mean, even if you're a cuck sucking faggot, you have to agree that Lara Croft is hot, amirite?'

This isn't about 'I'M QUEER AND I PLAY GAMES, LOOK AT ME!' it's about playing Counter-Strike without being called 'Lesbo Bitch' by half the other players.

[Sarcastic Coffeecup]

As far as I know there's a lot of games out there that support gay stuffs.

A lot. If it's got romance options, there'sa fair bunch of homo alternatives. 

 

[Vallium]

The only issue is someone will always complain. If you try to insert LGBT characters without putting them in the spotlight to avoid the token gay character concept, people will complain "They never have these characters and when they do they don't get enough attention its not fair!". Whereas on the other end you put out a main character who's explicitly LGBT people will complain that they're putting sexuality as the center of attention. It's always an anger-fest between sides just...who cares as long as it isn't blatantly obnoxious

[AshleyAshes]

Why not just have some dude save his boyfriend or some girl save her girlfriend instead of some dude saving his girlfriend?

[Harbinger]

1 hour ago, Butters said:

And where's straight pride? Godamn gays trying to takeover the parade scene. 

(Bigots stay single, Harb) 

As far as i know there's not a Straightgamers convention, there's just a focking gaming convention for anyone, but special snowflakes think they need their own one for some reason. Sex and sexuality shouldnt be brought into it, it has nothing to do with fucking gaming. Can you imagine having two exotic pet exhibitions for anyone and one advertised for gay and bi's? Its pointless.

Edited December 24, 2015 by Harbinger

[Vallium]

Its not wrong for people with like interests to assemble in very specific communities? There are furry pages for specific interests like gaming, writers, gay, etc. for people to commune on.

Maybe it would have been better for the 'gaymer' thing to be a sub-event within a convention but its not unusual for gay-friendly community places to arise. Besides, there's tons of other conventions that exist anyways.

I don't understand why mine or bronycon are a thing when you have broader cons for those things but they do

Edited December 24, 2015 by WolfNightV4X1

[Half-Note]

I mean Jacob was gay in State of Decay.

 

Why do you gayfags have to ruin everything with your sexuality? I'm ashamed to be one you. I mean it's not that big of a deal if you put your sausages in someone's buns or if you prefer to have them pushed into a butterbox.

Seriously. Stop poisoning everything with homogender propaganda. >.< 

Edited December 24, 2015 by Half-Note

[AshleyAshes]

18 minutes ago, Harbinger said:

Sex and sexuality shouldnt be brought into it, it has nothing to do with fucking gaming.

Well, except for all of those characters in video games having sex and being in relationships of some sort with each other, and then also the video game PLAYERS being sexual beings who also pursue romantic relationships.  But yeah, other than that, sex and sexuality have no place in gaming.

Sex and sexuality: Not In Video Games

I just can't think of the last time I saw sex or sexuality in a video game.

In fact, I'm entirely sure that there's a LAW against there being sex and sexuality in video games.
 

Edited December 24, 2015 by AshleyAshes

[AshleyAshes]

I bet none of you can even find ONE example of sex or sexuality in video games.  CAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENS.

Think about it; there's so little sex and sexuality in video games, all the characters could be gay and you'd just never know, because you never see sex or sexuality!
 

Edited December 24, 2015 by AshleyAshes

[Harbinger]

Way to user a screen cap from Mass Errect gay dong 2, you can fuck anything and anyone in that game. I've seen cakes made in the shape of tits, THE CAKE INDUSTRY MUST BE A PRODUCT OF THE STRAIGHT PATRIACHY under that logic.

Anyway i was bitching about the idea of a sexuality based gaming convention, a hetero or just a plain couples gaming convention would annoy me just as much. I think of people any more or any less based on their sexuailty.

 

Apart from the glorious Aryan heterosexuals :V

[Butters]

7 minutes ago, Harbinger said:

Way to user a screen cap from Mass Errect gay dong 2, you can fuck anything and anyone in that game. I've seen cakes made in the shape of tits, THE CAKE INDUSTRY MUST BE A PRODUCT OF THE STRAIGHT PATRIACHY under that logic.

Anyway i was bitching about the idea of a sexuality based gaming convention, a hetero or just a plain couples gaming convention would annoy me just as much. I think of people any more or any less based on their sexuailty.

 

Apart from the glorious Aryan heterosexuals :V

[AshleyAshes]

8 minutes ago, Harbinger said:

or just a plain couples gaming convention would annoy me just as much.

BECAUSE COUPLES NEVER PLAY VIDEO GAMES TOGETHER, EVER.  IT'S SOMETHING YOU DO ALONE IN A ROOM WITHOUT HUMAN CONTACT. :V

[Recel]

23 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

BECAUSE COUPLES NEVER PLAY VIDEO GAMES TOGETHER, EVER.  IT'S SOMETHING YOU DO ALONE IN A ROOM WITHOUT HUMAN CONTACT. :V

Well... even without the sarcasm... mostly still true.

[evan]

there are some things where i can see the value of acknowledging a mutuality in sexuality, since sometimes it is hard to feel included as a gay dude with straight friends who plays games

but that is also a feeling i have rarely; i feel like if our point was to say "we shouldnt be represented so negatively" then i feel like it would be better to address both cultures with this in mind. there is a problem with people being reactionary to homosexuality/the desire for it to be written into games more, but theres an equal and opposite problem with wanting exclusivity in that it responds negatively to any attempts of full inclusion. the point of gaming as a mass has, as far as i can tell, been centered around mutual entertainment.

i think its important to find what really matters first in the game. sex and sexuality are generally aesthetic, at some point. they may be present, but they arent determinate to the actions of the game unless its a dating simulator or something similar. as a result, it does raise the question of whether or not it should matter to gamers, any gamers for that matter. those who choose to take advantage of sexual norms, as well as those who dislike them. 

i just think that this topic, much like storytelling, gets heavily dilluted with this perceived need to diversify. it isnt false so much as it is manifested into a differentiation, which really is only creating a gap of gender and sex between gamers. the more we feel a need to exclude, the more those who dont understand us fail to.

 

 

[Imperial Impact]

6 hours ago, Butters said:

Kanji is my fav gay video game character. And his evil gay bathhouse is a fun level. 

Kanji wasn't gay tho.

[Gamedog]

In order to make it known that a character is gay, he either has to be seen kissing/fucking another dude, or saying "I'm gay/my husband/my boyfriend".

 

Tell me how we can make a gay character without slamming it in your face that he's GAY GAY GAY AND HERE IS HIS BOYFRIEND WHO HE FUCKS EVERY NIGHT, DID I MENTION HE'S GAY?