Toshabi Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) I am loving this Bernie Sanders supporter melt down. SOOO many fucking people are losing their shit, it's hilarious. The ones that turned coat are even more hilarious, considering how much of a shit they took on Hillary during this whole schtick. Edited March 16, 2016 by Toshabi 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, Toshabi said: I am loving this Bernie Sanders supporter melt down. SOOO many fucking people are losing their shit, it's hilarious. The ones that turned coat are even more hilarious, considering how much of a shit they took on Hillary during this whole schtick. There's SOOOOO much salt from Bernie supporters/Hillary Haters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I'm completely alien to american politics, I only hear about 'em in the news every now and then. From the little I've seen, the liberals are being a bunch of shitheads by disrupting Trump's meets and such. Because ''freedom of protest'' apparently. God give me strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 lol salty bernie sanders supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 But you have to admit, Sanders certainly has inspired the youth to become interested in politics. (Obama did too, but I give Sanders more credit for making socialism a happy word again) Personally, I'm hoping for a progressive party to emerge that really champions liberal/leftist values. America has caved to the right too often. It's why I've long been independent. Democrats are kinda stupid and timid. (Also lol Rubio. XD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Butters said: But you have to admit, Sanders certainly has inspired the youth to become interested in politics. (Obama did too, but I give Sanders more credit for making socialism a happy word again) Personally, I'm hoping for a progressive party to emerge that really champions liberal/leftist values. America has caved to the right too often. It's why I've long been independent. Democrats are kinda stupid and timid. (Also lol Rubio. XD) First past the goal post, good luck with new parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) just came in to share the previously expressed sentiment. Us Uncut released an article today, "Bernie had a tremendous night last night", and yes they're referring to his 5/5, massive delegate loss. They are solely set in this delusion that it's going to change, and every week it's the same argument. Michigan was so marginal that Bernie still lost momentum more than he did gain it. The scary thing is that I think Berners are going to not pay attention to politics if Bernie gets elected, which is extremely fucking stupid because that's how media and politics corrupt in the first place; capitalization of the uneducated and uninformed. Plus, with youth having a disturbingly low voter turnout, it's already a problem to begin with. 9 minutes ago, Butters said: But you have to admit, Sanders certainly has inspired the youth to become interested in politics. If they get butthurt because Sanders doesn't vote and then proceed to not vote for anything other than him, then I'll consider it a step backwards. Just on the principle that a lot of people support Sanders, then pay no attention to the chances they have to influence policy, Congress, and so on. 12 hours ago, Amiir said: I'm completely alien to american politics, I only hear about 'em in the news every now and then. From the little I've seen, the liberals are being a bunch of shitheads by disrupting Drumpf's meets and such. Because ''freedom of protest'' apparently. God give me strength the mindset is understandable but disturbing. I see people cheering on Drumpf protestors, which I can understand, but when they get kicked out and i'm expected to sympathize with someone whose GOAL was to be a general disruption, that's another thing. there are some gray areas too, though. some people get kicked right the fuck out for no clear reason, and when conflict does break out, the security will immediately assume the protester is the source of the problem, even when they aren't. for example a protester got punched hard in the face as he was being escorted out, so they tackled the protester. Edited March 17, 2016 by evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Just now, Toboe said: First past the goal post, good luck with new parties. I dunno. I think this election is proof a significant amount of people would vote independent if their fav candidate did so. (A lot would follow Trump if he did so and they'd probably join his party if he created a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless/Nameless Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Butters said: making socialism a happy word again well rile me up and call me McCarthy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, evan said: If they get butthurt because Sanders doesn't vote and then proceed to not vote for anything other than him, then I'll consider it a step backwards. Just on the principle that a lot of people support Sanders, then pay no attention to the chances they have to influence policy, Congress, and so on. No, I don't think that's going to be the case Evan. A lot of Sanders supporters are independents/those who usually don't vote who were inspired by Occupy movement and the shitty income inequality that's becoming more and more obvious. (That's why many of them feel no loyalty to #votebluenomatterwho) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, Butters said: But you have to admit, Sanders certainly has inspired the youth to become interested in politics. Nah. A lot of the 'berners' are solely interested in Bernie Sanders the person (and the whole "hey college students, socialism means I'll give you free shit" thing), as opposed to the greater political process. The moment he officially bites the dust all of his fanatical followers will fuck off to whatever is the next hip thing. It sucks, but politics has always been dominated by boring old white people for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: Nah. A lot of the 'berners' are solely interested in Bernie Sanders the person (and the whole "hey college students, socialism means I'll give you free shit" thing), as opposed to the greater political process. The moment he officially bites the dust all of his fanatical followers will fuck off to whatever is the next hip thing. It sucks, but politics has always been dominated by boring old white people for a reason. I don't really think it's the "free candy/shit" thing most republicans talk about, but more the fact that today's kids are actually poorer than their parents and have fewer opportunities. They see socialism working in European nations and they aren't programmed to hate it as much as their predecessors. New media/Social media has the most to do with that in my opinion and that's not going away so...why should those interested in Bernie's ideas? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Butters said: I don't really think it's the "free candy/shit" thing most republicans talk about, but more the fact that today's kids are actually poorer than their parents and have fewer opportunities. They see socialism working in European nations and they aren't programmed to hate it as much as their predecessors. New media/Social media has the most to do with that in my opinion and that's not going away so...why should those interested in Bernie's ideas? Shouting "HEY FREE COLLEGE" at a bunch of college students tends to make them look at you pretty favorably. I mean regardless of income level, free shit is appealing to literally everybody. But you're right, social media has definitely been the key to Bernie's success and I can't deny that, however there's one little snag with that. Kids (or young adults whatever) have a massive case of ADD. How many of the people who 'signal-boosted' shit like Kony 2012 still seriously pay attention to the issues of child soldiers and the general fuck uppery that plagues Africa? How many of the people who feverishly promoted Ron Paul actually continued to follow his political career post-election? I mean there's plenty of examples, but the point is once the bandwagoners jump off it's all over. Also these people couldn't name the fucking capital of Germany. They don't follow European politics (I really don't either but I don't pretend otherwise). Edited March 17, 2016 by PastryOfApathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 My mom pays for my college give me free thins, college is expensive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Butters said: No, I don't think that's going to be the case Evan. A lot of Sanders supporters are independents/those who usually don't vote who were inspired by Occupy movement and the shitty income inequality that's becoming more and more obvious. (That's why many of them feel no loyalty to #votebluenomatterwho) Actually a lot of them tend to be the sheep vote young "hip" democrats that are usually curved by whatever popular cultural studies circle jerk political hot topic is discussed in class. Take California's Jerry Brown. Wanna know what topic was thrown at students who were inside of my college? "Vote Brown! He will make Education cheaper and life will be peachy! He will make education affordable yadda yadda yadda". And you wanna know what happened next? Tuition goes up in the proceeding years. So no, I don't believe Sanders little "inspire the youth" thing is as great as you are pretending/wishing it were, because all it did was teach naive little boys and girls to blindly follow whoever says "FREEBIES FREEBIES GETCHER FREEBIES"!! Kinda like healthcare reform was supposed to be the saving grace of this current administration, and all it did was leave my bf unable to afford healthcare and result in him getting a 89/mo "Pay this to AVOID a tax penalty for not having healthcare" bill at the end of it all. And its kinda funny cause he couldnt even use that healthcare at all. It didnt cover anything! The democrats need to name their plans better imho. If it was "Affordable tax penalty avoidance fee" im sure a lot of people wouldnt have voted it in. tl;dr- Hollar the word "FREEBIES" to the political fresh meat, win your new supporters. Because these ' young independent voters' are nothing more than first year college students doing what theyre told to do. Edited March 17, 2016 by Toshabi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 6 hours ago, Gamedog said: My mom pays for my college give me free thins, college is expensive I wish my parents could pay for my college :c lol I still owe 1150 from last semester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 6 hours ago, Toshabi said: tl;dr- Hollar the word "FREEBIES" to the political fresh meat, win your new supporters. Because these ' young independent voters' are nothing more than first year college students doing what theyre told to do. By whom? The News Media? Not really, Clinton and Trump dominate that. By their parents? Can't be, since most feel a loyalty to the Clinton brand. Who's telling them what to do? I think the rise of interest in socialism is just too great a defeat for conservative values for some people, and its easier to to try to paint Sanders as the new McGovern. But of course, times are much closer to the Great Depression than of the 60's/70's of McGovern's time. As for the healthcare thing, that is a shame. They should've gone single payer though. That makes far more sense than the current "healthcare reform" the moderates and republicans made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Butters said: By whom? The News Media? Not really, Clinton and Trump dominate that. By their parents? Can't be, since most feel a loyalty to the Clinton brand. Who's telling them what to do? I think the rise of interest in socialism is just too great a defeat for conservative values for some people, and its easier to to try to paint Sanders as the new McGovern. But of course, times are much closer to the Great Depression than of the 60's/70's of McGovern's time. You said it yourself: social media. I can't find it atm, but Bernie Sanders (positive) presence on social media is massively disproportionate to virtually everyone else. College kids don't get their news from CNN, they get it from their parents, they don't get it from the paper so whose left? Like a lot of these kids were the same people who feverishly supported Ron Paul the last couple times, and I refuse to believe they seriously went from ardent libertarianism (aka the exact and total opposite of socialism), to becoming obsessive socialists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Butters said: By whom? The News Media? Not really, Clinton and Trump dominate that. By their parents? Can't be, since most feel a loyalty to the Clinton brand. Who's telling them what to do? I think the rise of interest in socialism is just too great a defeat for conservative values for some people, and its easier to to try to paint Sanders as the new McGovern. But of course, times are much closer to the Great Depression than of the 60's/70's of McGovern's time. As for the healthcare thing, that is a shame. They should've gone single payer though. That makes far more sense than the current "healthcare reform" the moderates and republicans made. Check out college campuses. That's the cesspool of where this idiocracy I speak of is spewing from. We had 2 "Walk Out and Protest Days" where students walk out of class to protest about whatever the teachers tell them to protest back at my old college. Not to mention we'd have our fair share of Social Justice speakers who encourage students to engage in the mindset that the evil whiteman is still out to get you, the rich got to be rich by stealing from hobo john and selling their soul to satan, if you're gay you deserve $100 from everyone you meet and the ever popular "YOU KIDS SHOULD GET FREE EDUCATION!!!". Was there any explanation for these plans on how to achieve this? Nope. I've been to these rallies and all it is is people shouting as loud as they can and repeating whatever the obnoxious fat lady on the megaphone is shouting at them to say. These "new, excited voters" are a trendy codename for sheep vote. You get them on both sides. I can tell you what I witness considering I still interact and witness said events on a yearly basis here in California, the land of the highest living wages, lowest pay, high end unemployment and (shockingly enough) the most blue state in the USA. So I can safely say the democrats here either have no clue what they're doing or they really like seeing how stupid people can be by playing the "Boo, republicans!" card for explaining why things have been going wrong here for the past decade +. Every time I see a #Feelthebern, my eyes roll harder than a fat man down an egyptian pyramid. It's one way to point out "ignorant voter", considering how much of a meme that man (ironically enough) is. And FYI, our Bernie Sanders for us at the time that promised this "Free Education" was Jerry Brown, and tuition rates magically increased over the years he was in office. So please, any politician promising that is full of shit or will have to find ways to further gut the quality of an already poor education. Edited March 18, 2016 by Toshabi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, Gamedog said: My mom pays for my college give me free thins, college is expensive You say that but I think you'd be surprised by the number of people who are only in college because of what the state and FAFSA gives them (along with loans of course). Some people's parents can't afford to support their kids' education. 13 hours ago, PastryOfApathy said: Also these people couldn't name the fucking capital of Germany. They don't follow European politics (I really don't either but I don't pretend otherwise). Europe politically is an interesting place. I can't remember; was it Belgium that doesn't have a government that has a decent chance of splitting into smaller parts at some point? Edited March 18, 2016 by Battlechili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 8 hours ago, Battlechili said: Europe politically is an interesting place. I can't remember; was it Belgium that doesn't have a government that has a decent chance of splitting into smaller parts at some point? Iirc it indeed was Belgium that went on for some time without gov since they couldn't form any coalitions... google leading to wiki says it was 589 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaende Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I'm just waiting for Trump to announce Charlie Sheen as his running mate. Their combined winning + Charlie's tiger blood would be an unbeatable ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 LOL @ people who want to vote for a dehydrated communist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calemeyr Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I'm just preparing myself for a wave of domestic terrorism and mass murder when Trump loses. Trump isn't the problem, his racist supporters are. And if you support Trump, you're a racist (or an anarchist). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, Calemeyr said: I'm just preparing myself for a wave of domestic terrorism and mass murder when Trump loses. Trump isn't the problem, his racist supporters are. And if you support Trump, you're a racist (or an anarchist). >Trump >anarchist >pick one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Calemeyr said: I'm just preparing myself for a wave of domestic terrorism and mass murder when Trump loses. Trump isn't the problem, his racist supporters are. And if you support Trump, you're a racist (or an anarchist). Imma keel U if Trump loses. Jokes aside, I know you're pulling the leg, but there are people legit concerned about people going on a shooting spree if Trump loses. And I think it's kinda sad. It's sort of in the same boat of people saying they were gonna kill themselves if Sanders loses (Pending) or shoot up the town against white America if Barak Obama won. Still funny to laugh at though. Edited March 18, 2016 by Toshabi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 41 minutes ago, Calemeyr said: I'm just preparing myself for a wave of domestic terrorism and mass murder when Trump loses. Trump isn't the problem, his racist supporters are. And if you support Trump, you're a racist (or an anarchist). Pretty sure this is bait, but the fact that people legit believe that is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyAshes Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 44 minutes ago, Calemeyr said: I'm just preparing myself for a wave of domestic terrorism and mass murder when Trump loses. Trump isn't the problem, his racist supporters are. And if you support Trump, you're a racist (or an anarchist). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_church_shooting Why wait? It's already a thing! :V 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 3 hours ago, Calemeyr said: And if you support Trump, you're a racist (or an anarchist). I!.. um... okay.... But only because if he wins, it will be much easier to convince people of how utterly stupid and corrupt our voting system and government are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 5 hours ago, BlitzCo said: >Trump >anarchist >pick one "Governments don't work, they are bad. If I choose the lesser evil of the candidates I'm just prolonging the suffering. If i vote for the worst... it will be the worst, but it will crash and finally be over!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 On 3/17/2016 at 7:04 PM, PastryOfApathy said: You said it yourself: social media. I can't find it atm, but Bernie Sanders (positive) presence on social media is massively disproportionate to virtually everyone else. College kids don't get their news from CNN, they get it from their parents, they don't get it from the paper so whose left? Like a lot of these kids were the same people who feverishly supported Ron Paul the last couple times, and I refuse to believe they seriously went from ardent libertarianism (aka the exact and total opposite of socialism), to becoming obsessive socialists. Then that would mean they are organizing themselves and thus proves toshabi's theory wrong. Also, you are right libertarians are quite different from socialists. Why you think these people supported Ron Paul God only knows. I guess you aren't aware that half the country is not affiliated/disillusioned with politics. We have some of the lowest voter turnout out of any nation. People like Jill Stein, or Ron Paul, and yes, Bernie are striking cords with these people cuz a lot of people are realizing what Gore Vidal has said for a long time. That the United States as a one party system with two wings. A right and a left that serves corporate interests. He also predicted waayyyyy back in the bush years that if we kept deregulating wallstreet we would either end up with a FDR (Bernie) or an Oliver Cromwell (Trump). And how right he was. But I'm looking forward to the future. Last time things were this shitty, a progressive movement gained traction. Also just for fun: Have the black and white era Bernie Sanders. Cajun Style! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Butters said: Then that would mean they are organizing themselves and thus proves toshabi's theory wrong. On 3/18/2016 at 5:15 PM, Toshabi said: We had 2 "Walk Out and Protest Days" where students walk out of class to protest about whatever the teachers tell them to protest back at my old college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileyWarWeasel Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 19 hours ago, #00Buck said: LOL @ people who want to vote for a dehydrated communist. Would you prefer a hydrated communist? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 4 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said: Would you prefer a hydrated communist? RED CHINESE THREAT DETECTED! EMBRACE DEMOCRACY OR YOU WILL BE ERADICATED. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calemeyr Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 On March 18, 2016 at 8:23 AM, PastryOfApathy said: Pretty sure this is bait, but the fact that people legit believe that is hilarious. Do you actually support Trump? It's not bait. His supporters are largely closet racists and edgelords. Only 2% of his supporters are under 30, and many don't have a college education. These are the kinds of people that would shoot up abortion clinics, attack muslims for being terrorists, and beat up mexican children. Oh, and maybe go lynch "the negro". They blame their problems on a convienient scapegoat, when it was their own lack of preparadness in the increasingly globalized economy that left them behind. We have become a post-industrial society, so I'm not sure those manufacturing jobs are coming back, especially when it's cheaper to do it overseas. And Trump is a businessman. He knows this. On March 18, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Toshabi said: Imma keel U if Trump loses. Jokes aside, I know you're pulling the leg, but there are people legit concerned about people going on a shooting spree if Trump loses. And I think it's kinda sad. It's sort of in the same boat of people saying they were gonna kill themselves if Sanders loses (Pending) or shoot up the town against white America if Barak Obama won. Still funny to laugh at though. If Sanders loses, you're right that some ultra liberal college kids are gonna go into that Avatar-esque depression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calemeyr said: Do you actually support Trump? It's not bait. His supporters are largely closet racists and edgelords. Only 2% of his supporters are under 30, and many don't have a college education. These are the kinds of people that would shoot up abortion clinics, attack muslims for being terrorists, and beat up mexican children. Oh, and maybe go lynch "the negro". They blame their problems on a convienient scapegoat, when it was their own lack of preparadness in the increasingly globalized economy that left them behind. We have become a post-industrial society, so I'm not sure those manufacturing jobs are coming back, especially when it's cheaper to do it overseas. And Trump is a businessman. He knows this. If Sanders loses, you're right that some ultra liberal college kids are gonna go into that Avatar-esque depression. This is the problem right here that many of these voters are consciously (or subconsciously) livid about. Edited March 19, 2016 by I Did It For The Cat Girls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WileyWarWeasel Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 5 hours ago, BlitzCo said: RED CHINESE THREAT DETECTED! EMBRACE DEMOCRACY OR YOU WILL BE ERADICATED. Lets see you liberate Anchorage without proper hydration ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless/Nameless Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Calemeyr said: His supporters are largely closet racists and edgelords or people who like to see shit fly. :v (I support no one. I am a neutral pacifist) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshabi Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Calemeyr said: Do you actually support Trump? It's not bait. His supporters are largely closet racists and edgelords. Only 2% of his supporters are under 30, and many don't have a college education. I think you need to see Zootopia. Jokes aside, I'm not really surprised you're saying this, considering the opposite side will always see the other side as this scheming group of infidels who are purposely trying to ruin America. But uh, going to the "Ur a racist" and "Worse than hitler" route is a trope and stereotype of Liberals/Democrats that you shouldn't put yourself into, especially when your goal in politics is to convince the other side to join your side, not alienate it. I think you're better than that. Edited March 19, 2016 by Toshabi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Toshabi said: But uh, going to the "Ur a racist" and "Worse than hitler" route is a trope and stereotype of Liberals/Democrats that you shouldn't put yourself into, especially when your goal in politics is to convince the other side to join your side, not alienate it. I think you're better than that. Reminds me, I'm loving these anti-Trump moves from media and protest groups. Most of the things they do are repellant to the more passive individuals, making Trump just look better to them. Every time Trump is smeared, he goes up in the polls. It's like they're playing checkers on Trump's chessboard and they have no idea how to adapt to make things work in their favour. They've become too used to making others fold by screaming "bigot," and Trump is just ignoring it. He has yet to sincerely give them an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derin Darkpaw Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Toshabi said: But uh, going to the "Ur a racist" and "Worse than hitler" route is a trope and stereotype of Liberals/Democrats that you shouldn't put yourself into, especially when your goal in politics is to convince the other side to join your side, not alienate it. I think you're better than that. On 3/17/2016 at 7:59 AM, Toshabi said: Because these ' young independent voters' are nothing more than first year college students doing what theyre told to do. Maybe if you don't want people to generalize your own political movement you should extend the same courtesy and avoid generalizations about the other side too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilBear Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Here's how I see it- Trump likes dogs. Hillary does not like dogs. I know who has my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, Derin Darkpaw said: Maybe if you don't want people to generalize your own political movement you should extend the same courtesy and avoid generalizations about the other side too. Where's the fun in that? If we didn't have over-generalizations and blanket statements from both sides, then politics would be boring and the civvies would actually have to think for a change. :VV 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, Calemeyr said: Do you actually support Trump? It's not bait. His supporters are largely closet racists and edgelords. Only 2% of his supporters are under 30, and many don't have a college education. These are the kinds of people that would shoot up abortion clinics, attack muslims for being terrorists, and beat up mexican children. Oh, and maybe go lynch "the negro". They blame their problems on a convienient scapegoat, when it was their own lack of preparadness in the increasingly globalized economy that left them behind. We have become a post-industrial society, so I'm not sure those manufacturing jobs are coming back, especially when it's cheaper to do it overseas. And Trump is a businessman. He knows this. I was mostly referring to the "domestic terrorists" part when I said it was full of shit as some of his supporters are certainly unabashed racists. However if I'm going to be serious for a second, yeah I do genuinely support him. He's not racist, but he's undoubtedly a shameless opportunist who knows how to tap into the "politically incorrect" feelings that most people have but are forced to hide or deny. Feelings that have been building and festering for long time. That said I know very well that he's in no way qualified for the presidency, that he as a person and an entrepreneur is horrific, and that he's full of more shit than an Indian septic tank, but for the first time in modern political history he's an actual, honest-to-god political outsider who has a shot at the presidency. Not to mention the fact that he and his campaign has single-handedly thrown the entire GOP establishment into one of the biggest (and hilarious) existential crisis's I've ever seen from such a major political entity, and one that quite it frankly needs. Also the pure schadenfreude coupled with the fact that Hillary Clinton is one of the most disingenuous and insidious cunts currently walking on this Earth. That helps too I guess. Edited March 20, 2016 by PastryOfApathy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 If anything, I would expect for left-wing domestic terrorism like the weather underground of the 60s/70s to make a comeback if Trump wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Lee Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Zeke said: Where's the fun in that? If we didn't have over-generalizations and blanket statements from both sides, then politics would be boring and the civvies would actually have to think for a change. :VV I figured out not too long ago that's a reason I don't like the conservative talk shows I listen to... the over-generalizing, blanket statements, us vs them attitude. When you hear them say that every Democrat is like a BLM supporter or, even worse, every liberal is like a tumblr user (which isn't true), it's kinda sad. 28 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: I was mostly referring to the "domestic terrorists" part when I said it was full of shit as some of his supporters are certainly unabashed racists. However if I'm going to be serious for a second, yeah I do genuinely support him. He's not racist, but he's undoubtedly a shameless opportunist who knows how to tap into the "politically incorrect" feelings that most people have but are forced to hide or deny. Feelings that have been building and festering for long time. That said I know very well that he's in no way qualified for the presidency, that he as a person and an entrepreneur is horrific, and that he's full of more shit than an Indian septic tank, but for the first time in modern political history he's an actual, honest-to-god political outsider who has a shot at the presidency. Not to mention the fact that he his campaign has single-handedly thrown the entire GOP establishment into one of the biggest (and hilarious) existential crisis's I've ever seen from such a major political entity, and one that quite it frankly needs. Also the pure schadenfreude coupled with the fact that Hillary Clinton is one of the most disingenuous and insidious cunts currently walking on this Earth. That helps too I guess. One of the things that has made me happy is the GOP finally having to deal with all the angry white blue collar men who comprise a large portion of their party base. People not necessarily religious or outwardly bigoted (although many of the rural ones are), but pissed enough over the jobs landscape changing in ways that screw them over that they join tea parties, and vote for people like Cruz, or Trump. It's kinda fun to watch the GOP flail. Although, since I have no love for Trump I feel a bit sorry for them. Although, listening to the echo chambers of the likes of Michael Savage, who is a Trump supporter, and hates immigrants, none of this is a surprise. The rhetoric becomes "blame the other side" or find a scapegoat. Many of those "politically incorrect" feelings are stereotypes or bigoted feelings... we're only a couple generations removed from the civil rights movements of the mid 20th century and it's no surprise that some of those attitudes have festered quietly in certain families and locations, not spoken of in public, but in the privacy of the home, maybe a "nigger" here or "stupid spics and chinks" there. Even I've heard such talk from parts of my family, sadly. The people who feel this way were ALIVE during the civil rights movement. And their jobs moved overseas, due to more open trade, due to our economy shifting, where most of the jobs now in the US are service jobs or college level jobs, and they look for a scapegoat. The Mexicans, the Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, Crazy Lee said: Many of those "politically incorrect" feelings are stereotypes or bigoted feelings. Stereotypes while massive exaggerations, still very much come from a real place. Anyone who denies that is delusional or willfully ignorant.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilBear Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: Stereotypes while massive exaggerations, still very much come from a real place. Anyone who denies that is delusional or willfully ignorant.. That's right you know. I love potatoes and alcohol and hate protestants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derin Darkpaw Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 58 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: Also the pure schadenfreude coupled with the fact that Hillary Clinton is one of the most disingenuous and insidious cunts currently walking on this Earth. That helps too I guess. More and more after listening to people on both sides I keep hearing this rising sentiment where its not they support their own candidate as much as they absolutely hate the opposing candidate and will do anything to not see them get into office. I wonder what that says about us as a society and how we feel about our own political system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, Derin Darkpaw said: More and more after listening to people on both sides I keep hearing this rising sentiment where its not they support their own candidate as much as they absolutely hate the opposing candidate and will do anything to not see them get into office. I wonder what that says about us as a society and how we feel about our own political system. It says that both presumptive nominees this time around are fucking awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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