Kinharia Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/test Let's see and abuse each other for where we stand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cingal Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Remarkably still quite centered, despite all that's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlynnCoyote Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I was a little surprised but okay then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) Edited April 2, 2016 by WolfyAmbassador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aouzy Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerig Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Degenerates, all of you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Wow, I'm almost at the same spot as Gandhi: I wouldn't consider this a bad thing at all! Edited April 3, 2016 by Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quagmath Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 i dont understand political terms @_@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) "A genuine free market requires restrictions..." Lolwhut? No surprise here. I'm probably in the same place as Mises and Rothbard, and McAffee. Note, despite this placing me far right, I have answered all social questions as far left as possible (anti racism, anti nationalism, pro gay, pro choice, etc). So I think this Left/Right graph is wrong. Unless it considers those issues as Authoritarian/Libertarian, and Left/Right is only for business vs socialism. Which is also wrong, because restricting business makes you no less authoritarian than restricting people for other moral reasons, even if your reasons may differ. Edited April 3, 2016 by Rassah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revates Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Here's mine from awhile ago: Here it is now: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless/Nameless Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Here lies I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitaly Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rassah said: "A genuine free market requires restrictions..." Lolwhut? "...on the ability of predator multinationals to create monopolies." From the times of Adam Smith and the early libertarians to today, the definition of a free market as a market free of any regulation of supply and demand has shifted to a market free of government regulation of supply and demand. In the old view, a monopoly, oligopoly, or cartel - and to a lesser extent a monopsony or cabal but with different reasons - that prevents competition, fixes prices, or restricts the supply is restricting the free market and enforcing a regulated market. My guess is that one's response to this statement is used to shift one towards the left with the early libertarians (A monopoly infringes on the free market) or to the right with the U.S.-style libertarians (A monopoly cannot exist in/is an element of the free market) based on your responses to other questions, but they don't release their scoring system so my guess is a shot from the hip. Varied answers to that question alone do not change the score. Responding "Strongly disagree" on all statements once results in a score of Economic Left/Right: 0.0 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36 Responding "Strongly agree" to that statement and "Strongly disagree" to all others also results in a score of Economic Left/Right: 0.0 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36 There may also be an authoritarian vs. libertarian element to that question depending on other responses, too. I cannot, however, find any way to back that up to my satisfaction. I'd like to think that kind of depth exists in this little site, though. Hopefully that little wall of text helps somebody respond to that one statement. Edited April 3, 2016 by MalletFace "also results in a score of" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 8 hours ago, Rassah said: "A genuine free market requires restrictions..." Lolwhut? No surprise here. I'm probably in the same place as Mises and Rothbard, and McAffee. Note, despite this placing me far right, I have answered all social questions as far left as possible (anti racism, anti nationalism, pro gay, pro choice, etc). So I think this Left/Right graph is wrong. Unless it considers those issues as Authoritarian/Libertarian, and Left/Right is only for business vs socialism. Which is also wrong, because restricting business makes you no less authoritarian than restricting people for other moral reasons, even if your reasons may differ. Essentially when it comes to social issues, Rassah, you pretty much agree with the Left. However when it comes to Business you are pretty much on the far Right. Political Compass has the explanation of their system done a lot better than me. Let me find a quote from their site that works. "Our essential point is that Left and Right, although far from obsolete, are essentially a measure of economics. As political establishments adopt either enthusiastically or reluctantly the prevailing economic orthodoxy — the neo-liberal strain of capitalism — the Left-Right division between mainstream parties becomes increasingly blurred. Instead, party differences tend to be more about identity issues. In the narrowing debate, our social scale is more crucial than ever." Because we both fall under the Libertarian brush (Albiet I am closer to the centre between Libertarian and Authoritarian) if we were to remove Economics we would find a lot of common ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 My results differ based on the test and questions I'm being asked. Some have me leaning toward the right, but I usually fall near or on the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakar-Kerarmor Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 15 hours ago, PastryOfApathy said: Neat. This is pretty much where I am too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-4.38&soc=-6.31 EC=-4.38 SOC=-6.31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 what a bunch of filthy liberals lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cingal Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Oh god. All these leftists. How horrifying. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal7 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 I don't care very much for politics... Sooo, meh. Aye! Perfect square! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Grizzle Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Not surprised to be quite far left on the economic scale but I am surprised to be less authoritarian than even Gandi. I guess that makes me a natural born hippie! Edited April 3, 2016 by Monty Grizzle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troj Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) As usual, I always find myself questioning the implications of various questions, so I'm sure there's a margin of error here. I notice I've drifted more to the Left as I've aged. Edited April 3, 2016 by Troj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Cingal said: Oh god. All these leftists. How horrifying. Embrace Communism, Comrade Cingal! Hail to the Motherland! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 could use a multi-user graph, so we could go like (-4.38,-6.31, "Toboe") (-6.0,-5.03, "Troj") (-8.75,-3.54, "Revates") to get a map showing our three points labeled with names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArielMT Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 A bit further than I remember drifting: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 15 hours ago, Rassah said: Which is also wrong, because restricting business makes you no less authoritarian than restricting people for other moral reasons, even if your reasons may differ. Does restricting government make you an authoritarian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 15 hours ago, Rassah said: No surprise here. I'm probably in the same place as Mises and Rothbard, and McAffee. Note, despite this placing me far right, I have answered all social questions as far left as possible (anti racism, anti nationalism, pro gay, pro choice, etc). So I think this Left/Right graph is wrong. Unless it considers those issues as Authoritarian/Libertarian, and Left/Right is only for business vs socialism. Which is also wrong, because restricting business makes you no less authoritarian than restricting people for other moral reasons, even if your reasons may differ. The x-axis is essentially a measure of control of the market. The y-axis is essentially a measure of control of the person. If one measures it in your manner, one would essentially end up with a single line measuring authoritarian vs. libertarian. This runs into the same lack of description and usefulness one runs into when using a simple left vs. right line. Looking at it in this way allows one to see state control of the people and the economy in the top-left - Stalinism, state control of the people and freedom of the economy in the top-right - fascism, freedom of the people and freedom of the economy in the bottom-right - libertarian capitalism, and public control of the economy and freedom of the people in the bottom-left - anarcho-syndicalism. Even more, as pointed out by the creators of the site, "A regulated economy and a strong public sector are not necessarily authoritarian, and a deregulated economy with a minimal public sector is not necessarily socially libertarian." Why? Because social libertarianism and economic libertarianism are fairly distinct from each other. 2 minutes ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: Does restricting government make you an authoritarian? I love this question. 56 minutes ago, Toboe said: could use a multi-user graph, so we could go like (-4.38,-6.31, "Toboe") (-6.0,-5.03, "Troj") (-8.75,-3.54, "Revates") to get a map showing our three points labeled with names. I've been trying to keep track of everybody's, but everybody is clustered together pretty closely along one line - sans Rassah - and the numbers are slightly off. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cingal Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Kinharia said: Embrace Communism, Comrade Cingal! Hail to the Motherland! Better dead than re-.. Wait.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArielMT Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 19 minutes ago, MalletFace said: I've been trying to keep track of everybody's, but everybody is clustered together pretty closely along one line - sans Rassah - and the numbers are slightly off. The precise coordinates the test gave me was (-6.13,-6.26). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 We are all pretty much socially left wing here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerig Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 still the only one in the blue square its lonely at the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArielMT Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kinharia said: We are all pretty much socially left wing here Does this mean we need to sing L'Internationale now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilBear Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) Oh. Lol. OK so that's not entirely true. The second one is. Edited April 3, 2016 by DevilBear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Just now, ArielMT said: Does this mean we need to sing L'Internationale now? Then we'd have to decide which version... I suggest that humorous Tony Babino take on it. Or we could shy away from something so loved by authoritarians and - at the top of our lungs - gritar ¡Viva la FAI! A bit dated, though; not many of us live in a country where the clergy has a huge amount of power. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cingal Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArielMT Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, Cingal said: [Horst Wessel Lied] That's quite a bit further into Q2 than any of us so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 The new anthem for Phoenix is as followed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, ArielMT said: That's quite a bit further into Q2 than any of us so far. Seeing as it is more authoritarian than right wing, though, you may find that some of us - one of us, really is farther right; the song actually targets those that would wish to control the market and those that would wish to let it run completely free. Just now, Kinharia said: The new anthem for Phoenix is as followed... A little north of where most of us are... no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Just now, MalletFace said: A little north of where most of us are... no? B... but... Yeah you're right. Still the best National Anthem ever created though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerig Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 3 hours ago, Kinharia said: B... but... Yeah you're right. Still the best National Anthem ever created though... nah La Marseillaise is better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArielMT Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 14 minutes ago, Kinharia said: B... but... Yeah you're right. Still the best National Anthem ever created though... It's directly responsible for the most amazing (NSFW) event in Internet radio history. :3c Personally, and back halfway on topic, I'm partial to the United States Navy band's rendition of the Soviet Hymn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, ArielMT said: It's directly responsible for the most amazing (NSFW) event in Internet radio history. :3c This... this is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pignog Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 ive done this test a billion times, if u wanna throw me on ur chart mallet, i basically occupy the same coordinates as you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 On 4/3/2016 at 0:42 AM, MalletFace said: From the times of Adam Smith and the early libertarians to today, the definition of a free market as a market free of any regulation of supply and demand has shifted to a market free of government regulation of supply and demand. Only government can regulate, so there is no change in that statement. Monopolies nd oligopolies can try to influence and control, but they can't regulate. They are still part if the free market and still subject to it, including losing customers if their prices get too big, or being killed off by innovative competitors who can outmaneuver then in the market. History is replete with examples of such, where monopolies can't exist for more than a few years (remember Internet Explorer?). And the only thing that can fit the following On 4/3/2016 at 0:42 AM, MalletFace said: that prevents competition, fixes prices, or restricts the supply is restricting the free market and enforcing a regulated market. is strict government regulation. I also don't think the early libertarians even believed in things like monopoly, or that it required government intervention. Economic history (I guess depends on whom you read) suggests that monopoly was considered OK, since the only way it can be maintained is if the company continues to provide the best product at the best price, and companies that managed to reach that status were even praised, since everyone wins in that situation (economies of scale means cheaper better products for consumers), and the whole "anti-trust" and monopoly concern was only introduced ex post facto after such things were already enacted in government, not as a response to monopolies exploiting the market, but as an excuse for why some businesses should be granted monopoly status by governments and have governments protect them from competition (the OPPOSITE of what we want in regards to monopolies). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) On 4/3/2016 at 7:53 AM, Kinharia said: Because we both fall under the Libertarian brush (Albiet I am closer to the centre between Libertarian and Authoritarian) if we were to remove Economics we would find a lot of common ground. My main gripe with this Left/Right/Authoritarian/Libertarian scale, though, was that you can't be far on the left without also being far up on the authoritarian level. The economic policies on the left can't be done without some very authoritarian actions. The only way a Left/Libertarian result could work is if someone doesn't consider a person a person if that person is engaging in business, assuming that all their authoritarianism is being carried out against this nebulous "business entity," instead of individual persons trying to make their own voluntary interactions. On 4/3/2016 at 0:21 PM, Monty Grizzle said: Not surprised to be quite far left on the economic scale but I am surprised to be less authoritarian than even Gandi. I guess that makes me a natural born hippie! Ghandi was an authoritarian religious nutcase, and a hypocrite to boot, professing asceticism, decrying Western focus on things and comforts, and claiming that suffering was a holy rite... Yet going to a Western hospital when afflicted with appendicitis. Don't be like Ghandi. Edited April 4, 2016 by Rassah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassah Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) On 4/3/2016 at 1:03 PM, Troj said: I notice I've drifted more to the Left as I've aged. Are you running short on other people's money? 22 hours ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: Does restricting government make you an authoritarian? If I restrict you from making laws banning gay marriage and restricting homosexuality, am I restricting your religion? Edited April 4, 2016 by Rassah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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