Guest Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Hello everyone, did you catch up on the latest bit of Furry Drama TM? :v Apparently, popular artist Zaush is releasing a new pornographic comic featuring underage characters. Rightfully so it has already caused the perplexity of plenty of users as the comment links down below will show you (assuming you own an FA account and are 18+, obviously). Needless to say, there's going to be NSFW ahead, of the cub type too, so be advised. Just don't scroll all the way up if you only want to view the conversations. There's also a generous amount of white knighting from Zaush's fans' part, I'd like to add http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20150749/#cid:108970574 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20169282/#cid:109027181 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20117757/#cid:108880946 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20109925/#cid:108845623 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20217179/#cid:109176905 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20217179/#cid:109180122 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20217179/#cid:109182193 http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20217179/#cid:109183070 As you can see, many of the more criticizing comments were hidden. Shame we won't be able to see them. Before they'll be inevitably cast into oblivion, let me share a couple of my favourites ^ Here's the image that's being spoken of (NSFW, nudity) Lastly, here's a screenshot provided by 6tails To be honest I don't care much for what's going on. Sure it's gross but seeing how popular the guy is and how he's friends with FA's upper management (at least I'm pretty sure he is), he'll get a free pass. It's fair to point out that other populars received the same priviliged treatment as well. These sort of ''controversy threads'' aren't normally my thing but seeing how bored I am... Someone was going to make this thread sooner or later, so enjoy the drama folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewalk Surfboard Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 oh k 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Rules be damned, he is popular and therefore this is okay. Also disregard his past history of being a sexual predator, k? All is well, ALL IS WELL. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Data Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 oh god this again. please dont tell me hes gonna pull the "not a cub" card again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cingal Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recel Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Aeon said: oh god this again. please dont tell me hes gonna pull the "not a cub" card again... Why wouldn't he? Obviously it works... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 People are too easily bothered by what artists draw. I don't know who Zaush is but I would hope that this person continues to draw whatever it is they want to regardless of whether or not his art makes people uncomfortable. >illegal lol Unless FA is hosted in Canada/the UK, no its not. >against the TOS This it is, so if its removed it'll be rightfully so, but only for this reason. FA has a terms of service, and those using the site are supposed to follow it. This guy should just upload on other sites. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wax Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Fucking gross. I think that tweet just about hit the nail on the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilishlyHandsome49 Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Ugh, im sorry but sometimes i really cant stand excuses of cub art. Actually..no, Im not sorry. Can't stand excuses or turning a blind eye to such crap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuttButt Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Battlechili said: People are too easily bothered by what artists draw. I don't know who Zaush is but I would hope that this person continues to draw whatever it is they want to regardless of whether or not his art makes people uncomfortable. >illegal lol >against the TOS This it is, so if its removed it'll be rightfully so, but only for this reason. FA has a terms of service, and those using the site are supposed to follow it. This guy should just upload on other sites. I agree, I don't really see what the big hullabaloo is. Maybe if you don't like Zaush's art don't look at it, or report it if you really feel like it's breaking Fur Affinity TOS. People draw and have drawn way more fucked up shit than cuckold porn and underage characters. I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to be up in arms every time somebody draws fictional characters doing something that you don't agree with morally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Just now, MuttButt said: or report it if you really feel like it's breaking Fur Affinity TOS. Well its not really feeling like it. It IS breaking FA's TOS. I agree with you otherwise though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I've seen worse. Remember Edis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArielMT Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 FA's enforcement of its own TOS is corrupt; it's been an open secret probably for longer than the oldest still-open ticket. Friends of the ivory tower get a consequence-free pass to break the rules with all the obviousness of a wildfire on a clear day, and Zaush is one such friend. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Just now, Enigma said: I've seen worse. Remember Edis? I'm scared to ask, but, what did he do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, 6tails said: The problem is he has uploaded it on other sites, and on those sites, this character is explicitly listed as under-aged in tag and description. Meanwhile, he's trying to retcon it so the character is not over-aged over at FA. According to FA's TOS "Content featuring minors is prohibited when nudity or sexual activity is present. Minors are real or fictional humanoids with a childlike body or younger than 18 years old, and any adolescent animals." So he can't really do that and expect to get away with it. If FA didn't specify he may be able to do this, but it does, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Amiir said: I'm scared to ask, but, what did he do? Just look up Edis Krad and be ready to cringe. Or get a hard on, furries are messed up. It's a crap shoot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Enigma said: Just look up Edis Krad and be ready to cringe. Or get a hard on, furries are messed up. It's a crap shoot. You're really over exaggerating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Just now, Battlechili said: You're really over exaggerating To you maybe. It's all a matter of perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, 6tails said: The problem is he has uploaded it on other sites, and on those sites, this character is explicitly listed as under-aged in tag and description. Meanwhile, he's trying to retcon it so the character is not over-aged over at FA. Just like taking an underaged person across state lines to have sex with them! He's a genius. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sourdough said: Just like taking an underaged person across state lines to have sex with them! He's a genius. I figured it was more like when Japanese games (especially porn games) are brought over to the West and suddenly all the characters are 18. Such is an extremely common practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaffel Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I've ran out of care for cub porn drama as of late. I couldn't give less a shit. Hopefully it'll be taken down on principle. Otherwise, I don't even care. It's their fetish, not my problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, 6tails said: This is less about cub porn and more about 'Lookie, another popufur artist gets a ToS violation pass.' I saw that comic on another site, so I didn't know that. It was just fun reading all the rants about the story. And that forced in blackmail scene with that fox character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaffel Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, 6tails said: This is less about cub porn and more about 'Lookie, another popufur artist gets a ToS violation pass.' Woah, heads of FA having no backbone? I'm in astonishment! I dunno, mate. None of this surprises me. I'm not going to get worked up about it. I'll simply hope it's taken down. If not, it's another check on the list of bad things FA has done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt'n Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 It really does suck that he gets a free pass. The dad's wife has giant tits while the two girls are pretty much flat. And this isn't supposed to be child porn? Yeah, right. And he just gets away with it. A regular mortal like us would have been nuked right away for pulling crap like this. Can we also talk about how awful this comic is please? The story, if you can call it that, is just flat out disgusting. A community of people who don't wear pants and everyone is banging each other. Only a furry can come up with shit like this. I also find it fascinating that for a furry fetish comic there is such a HUGE focus on this awful plot! It's 12 pages long with 8 pages exposition! For a porn comic! Oh and he released two teaser pages before the comic went on sale that hyped up the wife getting sexually destroyed by the neighbors. There is only one page of that in the actual comic. False marketing, yay! :V Anyway, I just find all this incredibly funny. Zaush gets away with uploading a child porn comic, the FA staff makes it more obvious than ever that they turn a blind eye for popular artists (because they are the only thing who keep users at their site) and the comic is the worst thing ever despite being so ridiculously hyped up by social rejects. It's amazing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 46 minutes ago, Enigma said: Just look up Edis Krad *looks up* Well then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Käpt'n said: It really does suck that he gets a free pass. The dad's wife has giant tits while the two girls are pretty much flat. And this isn't supposed to be child porn? Yeah, right. And he just gets away with it. A regular mortal like us would have been nuked right away for pulling crap like this. Can we also talk about how awful this comic is please? The story, if you can call it that, is just flat out disgusting. A community of people who don't wear pants and everyone is banging each other. Only a furry can come up with shit like this. I also find it fascinating that for a furry fetish comic there is such a HUGE focus on this awful plot! It's 12 pages long with 8 pages exposition! For a porn comic! Oh and he released two teaser pages before the comic went on sale that hyped up the wife getting sexually destroyed by the neighbors. There is only one page of that in the actual comic. False marketing, yay! :V Anyway, I just find all this incredibly funny. Zaush gets away with uploading a child porn comic, the FA staff makes it more obvious than ever that they turn a blind eye for popular artists (because they are the only thing who keep users at their site) and the comic is the worst thing ever despite being so ridiculously hyped up by social rejects. It's amazing. Who the fuck hypes up shitty furry porn comics? Shit's ugly anyways. Why is nobody wearing fuckin' pants lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Saxon said: Anyone else reminded of this? Where's the Rule 34 comic of these guys huh? That's what the internet really wants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Saxon said: It was difficult enough to find that image. Most of the images are extremely tiny and grainy. I believe you have the artistic ability to exploit that niche demographic. This, THIS, will be your legacy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Baby why you gotta hurt me so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Nasty. But zaush is basically untouchable. And FA is a garbage site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Anything to get the spotlight back on him after it died down after his last drama explosion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 4 hours ago, Saxon said: Anyone else reminded of this? At first glance I thought the one with the coffee pot was pissing into the mug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, 6tails said: Oh, not entirely. If someone were to say, order some cub stuff from him and have it shipped to Florida, he'd be violating their laws regarding the distribution of obscene material, which tend to get heavy-handedly enforced. I recall a guy not in Florida, had published a book on 'Child Love' and someone in Florida ordered it. The author ended up having his ass arrested and IIRC he did end up doing time. It was on FARK a long time ago before it went all SJW. I remember this. True story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyPoppins Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 O Edit: Old meme. Still relevant. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuujou Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, HoneyPoppins said: Old as dirt meme, but I will always love this picture. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Battlechili said: People are too easily bothered by what artists draw. I don't know who Zaush is but I would hope that this person continues to draw whatever it is they want to regardless of whether or not his art makes people uncomfortable. >illegal lol Unless FA is hosted in Canada/the UK, no its not. >against the TOS This it is, so if its removed it'll be rightfully so, but only for this reason. FA has a terms of service, and those using the site are supposed to follow it. This guy should just upload on other sites. laws that include drawn kiddie porn vary from state to state in the US. Here in Virginia, possession of Loli/shota/cub can also get you a trip to the hoosegow. A guy in Richmond was convicted in 2003 for CP (even the drawn kind), and it's been widely debated here to include it in the protect act and Child pornography laws federally. And they did. It's technically not "illegal", but courts can hold it against you if you are caught possessing it in the US, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 It's always nice to have a lantern to let you know which moths to avoid. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuujou Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, Clove Darkwave said: Poetry Why are you so fucking beautiful like constantly? Can you chill? wtf... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Just now, XoPachi said: Why are you so fucking beautiful like constantly? Can you chill? wtf... Because Clove is a beautiful person. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 46 minutes ago, XoPachi said: Old as dirt meme, but I will always love this picture. It's hard to hate a work of art like that. Not even memelords can destroy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1 hour ago, XoPachi said: Why are you so fucking beautiful like constantly? Can you chill? wtf... Stop that. 1 hour ago, Zeke said: Because Clove is a beautiful person. fffffffffffffffffffffff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punnchy Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Zeke said: laws that include drawn kiddie porn vary from state to state in the US. Here in Virginia, possession of Loli/shota/cub can also get you a trip to the hoosegow. A guy in Richmond was convicted in 2003 for CP (even the drawn kind), and it's been widely debated here to include it in the protect act and Child pornography laws federally. And they did. It's technically not "illegal", but courts can hold it against you if you are caught possessing it in the US, Cases like this where it is held against violating parties, are still happening, this isn't a small issue of one person somewhere has been caught with drawn porn. If you read this us law (which you liked to): https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A then there's a very specific line that can be interpreted and makes Zaush a drawer of pedophilia and FA a host of such works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Zeke said: laws that include drawn kiddie porn vary from state to state in the US. Here in Virginia, possession of Loli/shota/cub can also get you a trip to the hoosegow. A guy in Richmond was convicted in 2003 for CP (even the drawn kind), and it's been widely debated here to include it in the protect act and Child pornography laws federally. And they did. It's technically not "illegal", but courts can hold it against you if you are caught possessing it in the US, That case you linked referenced the Protect Act, which was deemed unconstitutional in 2008. I'm not saying you're wrong overall, but that case is old and laws have changed. Its also worth noting that the man convicted was charged with having actual images of child pornography in the late 90s, which likely played a part in his conviction. Almost every single time someone is criminalized for such, actual child pornography is involved in some manner. I will correct myself though; it is illegal in some states. Really curious to see what'll happen once Kodomo no Jikan gets published in the West. Its currently having a Kickstarter for an uncensored Western release. Its basically a lolicon manga that was refused localization several years ago due to being "unfit for the West". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuujou Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, Battlechili said: Its also worth noting that the man convicted was charged with having actual images of child pornography in the late 90s, which likely played a part in his conviction. Almost every single time someone is criminalized for such, actual child pornography is involved in some manner. I'm not getting too involved with this stale debate. I just want to point out to you that this right here is actually not helping your argument, but reinforcing the opposing stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, XoPachi said: I'm not getting too involved with this stale debate. I just want to point out to you that this right here is actually not helping your argument, but reinforcing the opposing stance. Oh I know. I was more just trying to say that actual child porn holds relevance in most of the cases that people would link to people being criminalized for drawings. I don't mean to imply that there's a connection between the drawings and actual pedophilia, though I know some may take that as evidence of such. I wasn't really trying to make an argument for the drawings here though; just reinforcing certain legal aspects of it. Though as I said, I do admit that laws vary by state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
root Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 4 hours ago, Battlechili said: Really curious to see what'll happen once Kodomo no Jikan gets published in the West. Its currently having a Kickstarter for an uncensored Western release. Its basically a lolicon manga that was refused localization several years ago due to being "unfit for the West". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 THE THING I HATE ABOUT ZAUSH IS THAT HIS ART IS KINDA GOOD BUT HE'S SUCH A GROSS PERSON I saw that comic earlier and I honestly wasn't sure if they were actually kids or not, but the fact that he's stated on other sites (presumably IB) that they're apparently in 5th grade is really troubling to me. that's actually the thing that really bothers me about this also as someone pointed out, the report button is missing. not just from his stuff but I can't find it anywhere side note: I'm on Zaush's block list, which is news to me because I don't think I've ever talked to him. maybe it's because I called him a rapist one time though lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, willow said: THE THING I HATE ABOUT ZAUSH IS THAT HIS ART IS KINDA GOOD BUT HE'S SUCH A GROSS PERSON I saw that comic earlier and I honestly wasn't sure if they were actually kids or not, but the fact that he's stated on other sites (presumably IB) that they're apparently in 5th grade is really troubling to me. that's actually the thing that really bothers me about this also as someone pointed out, the report button is missing. not just from his stuff but I can't find it anywhere side note: I'm on Zaush's block list, which is news to me because I don't think I've ever talked to him. maybe it's because I called him a rapist one time though lmao I like his art too. I don't think the artist should effect how you feel about the art itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarthTheWereWolf Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Why am I not surprised that people are defending this sort of thing? Oh right. Thanks for clearing that up google! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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