BREXIT

[Guest]

Brexit. Yes or no? Discuss.

 

 

Personally, the UK seems like a chill country and I like its people. At least those I met so far were alright. I wish that whatever happens, that it goes to the benefit of the nation.

If I were british I'd probably be pro Brexit. Staying inside the Union seems to be going only at the benefit of those blokes at Bruxelles, the ECB, the EP. And I don't trust them: looks like an organization that disregards individual histories and national identities (as the way they've been handling the immigrant crisis proves), as well as an organization that only sees the States of Europe and their peoples as cows to milk. By joining the EU, the UK has had to abide by the rules of the European Parliament and obey to its directives, more or less. Maybe it worked in the beginning but evidently that stopped being fun, and for good reason: I wouldn't want some cold, faceless organization tell me how to run my country either. Fuck that

If Britain will exit, will it trigger a chain reaction? Will this joke of a Union finally fucking die (I really doubt we need it, tbh)? Who knows! We'll find out 

 

Anyway, I'll stop my beer induced rambling here. Godspeed. God save the Queen lololol

[Endless/Nameless]

[Cingal]

[Toboe]

Whatever they chose, just stick with it. And if they choose to leave, tabula rasa: If they want any of the perks they had, let them negotiate for them. And if for example they can't get the French to agree to Juxtaposed_controls... well sucks to be them.

 

[DrDingo]

It's probably good to have the immigration from the EU

As an example, we have a shortage of doctors as it is and it'll only get worse if we make it harder to work here

It's not like, with the whole Junior Doctor kerfuffle, many brits will feel compelled to work in the medical service

[Wax]

I'm very 50/50. I like the idea of Britain being part of something that's greater than itself, as well as the smaller benefits of remaining, but the EU no longer fights for the working class. If there were a chance of major EU reform, I'd probably be completely convinced to stay, but I still just don't know.

There's good arguments for both sides, and there's too much conflicting information. Remain makes a statement that gets dismissed by leave, leave makes a statement that gets dismissed by remain.

However the leave party are the loudest and by far the most annoying. I've seen Facebook comments (riddled with spelling errors, of course) that say shit like: "young people shouldn't have the vote, because they're just going to vote remain!"

Good argument for convincing me to vote leave, lads!

[DrDingo]

2 minutes ago, Wax said:

I'm very 50/50. I like the idea of Britain being part of something that's greater than itself, as well as the smaller benefits of remaining, but the EU no longer fights for the working class.

Ah, but it does. Kinda sorta

The EU has regulations on the amount of hours someone can work in a week.

If we leave, bosses may well lengthen the hours of working class people in order to maximise their profits

[Wax]

2 minutes ago, DrDingo said:

The EU has regulations on the amount of hours someone can work in a week.

We have zero-hour contracts though.

I think the problem of working-class people not being able to find jobs in the UK is kind of a two-fold problem. Firstly, using zero-hour contracts bosses can essentially hire anybody (usually immigrants), have them do a job, but if they end up not showing up, then they can just pick the next person in line to do the work. The problem with this is that not only is there going to be fierce competition between Brits and working-class immigrants, but the line needs to be cut, and contracts need to have much more job stability. Which brings us to the second problem, which is essentially capitalism.

Parties like Labour that promise reform for the working class will be able to do so much more easily if we leave the EU. But then there's a part of me that thinks there's definitely a good reason why figures such as Jeremy Corbyn want us to stay.

That's my thoughts anyway. Any right-winger who tells me to think of it in terms of traditional values or the British 'name' can do one, but that seems to be a common trend amongst the general Facebook populace.

[Revates]

I vote to stay in the EU because I am the EU, I will build a European Empire, watch me rise.

[Wax]

2 minutes ago, Saxon said:

On this subject, I had heard many comments defending the EU which claim that migrants jobs roles Britons are unwilling to take.

A majority of the kitchen, servery, porters staff and so forth at Oxford colleges are from Poland, India, Thailand and so on. So clearly immigrants do take some jobs that Britons could have had.

Sometimes I actually struggle ordering food in café's or pubs because I can't understand the Turkish or European accents. Indeed I saw one student absolutely lose his shit at the barbershop because the (serbian?) barber he was talking with began shaving his fucking head. The Palestinian manager of the shop turned up and started yelling 'he's not very good at English, you confuse him!' at the student, as if it was the student's fault. 

That's also correct. Britons kind of have a name for themselves as being... fussy, let's say. It was only down to outcry from British workers in the 80s that unions became a thing, and there were plenty of immigrants willing to do the job for them, and not require a union, holidays etc. etc. It's basically the reason loads of jobs got outsourced, such as Dyson outsourcing jobs to Malaysia. Again it's why capitalism is a problem in that regard. But it's almost certainly true that there are jobs out there that Brits choose not to do, have an immigrant do them, and then bitch and moan that they can't get a job. It's an unfortunate truth, but low-skill workers aren't exactly in the best position to pick and choose what jobs they will and won't do in a market with such strong competition.

I mean, the accent bit is true, but it just leads to unnecessarily stupid xenophobia. People can't exactly help having accents. The barbershop student story is pretty fucked though.

I think another thing that people consider is immigrants being 'entitled.' If they see a pro-Islam march in the streets, they'll think ah yeah all immigrants are muslims and they're taking over! Better hop on to Britain First and show my support! Even though while it's true that some immigrants are straight up assholes, the vast, vast majority are very honest people. It's one of those things where you see one person doing something stupid so you believe that everyone thinks that way - like that right wing vs. left wing argument I mentioned a few days ago

[Dr. Doggo]

>britain abandoned Canada, Australia, USA, India, etc to join the EU, and this was not held to a referendum until after the fact, where we were pressured to vote remain due to cold war scaremongering of the time
>the EU says we'll lose our trade ties but we're still a standalone member of the WTO, unlike the EU countries, who are listed just as "European Union"
>we've been repeatedly invited to the EFTA which also gives us trade with the EU from the outside of it
>the EU has a very clear agenda to gain more control over its member states and a monopoly on authority. it's very clear pattern that you would have noticed if you were actually paying attention.
>it treats its poorer member states like absolute dogshit, such as greece and spain, and of course it doesn't become mainstream discussion elsewhere
>the EU wants to impose all sorts of legislation on the UK that we can't do anything about, but has decided to wait until after the referendum before they employ it, most likely because they know we the people aren't going to fucking like it
>its a totally unelected body that governs the EU. we have little say in its governance and frequently get out-voted against our national interests.

but anyway, state media told me that ice cream prices will rise and that I, even though places like the US, Mexico, and Israel don't have to worry about it, I may have to be inconvenienced by applying for a visa if i want to travel in the EU, so I'm voting remain, because being a self-governing country is something that a nazi would want, and its the current year for goodness' sake

thanks BBC
 

 

[Dr. Doggo]

2 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I think the whole debate about political islam is a different kettle of fish to the EU debate, because European migrants don't tend to be muslims.

This is true, but when member states like Sweden fast-track unskilled third-world immigrants with very shaky backgrounds for citizenship or free-movement rights, the demographics coming in change quickly.

[Wax]

15 minutes ago, Saxon said:

I think the whole debate about political islam is a different kettle of fish to the EU debate, because European migrants don't tend to be muslims.

Certainly there is a problem with muslim entitlement though; polls demonstrated a majority of muslims in the UK would prefer criticism of the prophet to be an illegal offense for example, because fuck freedom of speech and a majority want homosexuality to be an illegal offense.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

So yes, a significant amount do think they should be entitled to force everybody else to obey their religious teachings.

That's my one problem with Labour. They claim to be a party of progression, and as such are almost too welcoming of different ways of thinking but Islam warrants dangerous, backwards thinking, and I'm not Islamophobic for believing people are wrong to want to outlaw something that I am. There's a ton of right-wingers that are so far up their own ass when it comes to traditionalism that their beliefs are dangerous and backwards, too. I think the problem is not so Islam, but the parts of it that people choose to practise. What a lot of people don't see is that there are stupid teachings of Christianity that are disregarded nowadays as being complete trash, but why can't Muslims do the same? Too many traditional Islam values contrast everything Britain believes as a nation.

Many people believe that Brexit would stop immigration out of the EU. It's a step in the right direction but it's never really going to stop.

15 minutes ago, Saxon said:

Yes they can. Cultivating a clear accent and learning pronunciation is a skill.

It takes time, though.

[Victor-933]

I fucking hate the term "Brexit". Something about it just triggers my autism.

[Zaraphayx]

I'm not sure what Britain even needs the EU for when it's an honorary U.S. puppet state already like Israel.

[Wax]

8 minutes ago, 6tails said:

If you guys GTFO of the EU maybe the British Pound would be worth 5-7x the US Dollar like it used to be.

There's actually been pretty consistent economic forecasting that the value of the pound will decline for some years before it rises again.

[Dr. Doggo]

8 minutes ago, Zaraphayx said:

I'm not sure what Britain even needs the EU for when it's an honorary U.S. puppet state already like Israel.

but that's what the EU is as well, it sprang out of germany

also the US is a puppet of Israel, not the other way around

2 minutes ago, Wax said:

There's actually been pretty consistent economic forecasting that the value of the pound will decline for some years before it rises again.

the Pound was worth a lot because it was based on britain's gold reserves and not bankers' loaned funny-money (see: federal reserve). Now we're on that same sort of shitty currency and Tony Bliar sold off the majority of our gold reserves at a pittance, right before a massive gold price hike

[Zaraphayx]

Just now, Sir Gibby said:

but that's what the EU is as well, it sprang out of germany

also the US is a puppet of Israel, not the other way around

"Power resides where men believe it resides" - A TV Show For Nerds

[Wax]

3 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

the Pound was worth a lot because it was based on britain's gold reserves and not bankers' loaned funny-money. Now we're on that same shitty currency and Tony Bliar sold off the majority of our gold reserves at a pittance

Tony Blair triggers me

10 minutes ago, Zaraphayx said:

I'm not sure what Britain even needs the EU for when it's an honorary U.S. puppet state already like Israel.

The US will continue to be a puppet of Israel if Trump wins, given the amount of money he's invested in it.

[Zaraphayx]

7 minutes ago, Wax said:

The US will continue to be a puppet of Israel if Trump wins, given the amount of money he's invested in it.

I am confident that the political relationship between these two nations hinges on the outcome of this election and isn't a result of several decades of foreign relations and the alignment of geopolitical interests.

 

[DevilBear]

BREXIT NOW! SAVE US, PAPA FARAGE!

[Fossa]

A bit OT: I sorta wish the UK would invade the US, and win, so we'd have things like vacation time as part of jobs, and better access to health care, and less violence. I look at the US and think of my friends in the UK and Finland, and it seems that here, by comparison, so many friends are struggling just to have a tooth fixed, get medical care, work all the time, with no paid vacations, and feel burned out while in the UK, these things don't seem to present such huge worries. Not that it's a Utopia, but there seems to be a basic safety net that's lacking here.

So Brexit or no Brexit, just invade us again, and this time win, and make it more like it is there. You can keep the queen, though.

[Wax]

42 minutes ago, Fossa-Boy said:

So Brexit or no Brexit, just invade us again, and this time win, and make it more like it is there. You can keep the queen, though.

nah you're alright

[Fossa]

4 hours ago, Saxon said:

I will invade your butt.

Just as long as it involves a four week vacation, and decent benefits, I'd be happy to oblige! Repeatedly, even.

[LadyRadarEars]

4 hours ago, Fossa-Boy said:

A bit OT: I sorta wish the UK would invade the US, and win, so we'd have things like vacation time as part of jobs, and better access to health care, and less violence. I look at the US and think of my friends in the UK and Finland, and it seems that here, by comparison, so many friends are struggling just to have a tooth fixed, get medical care, work all the time, with no paid vacations, and feel burned out while in the UK, these things don't seem to present such huge worries. Not that it's a Utopia, but there seems to be a basic safety net that's lacking here.

So Brexit or no Brexit, just invade us again, and this time win, and make it more like it is there. You can keep the queen, though.

But the queen is the best part D:

[#00Buck]

I think the British people have been cucked to the point that they will stay in the EU and go down the toilet with the rest of europe. 

[Dr. Doggo]

10 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

I think the British people have been cucked to the point that they will stay in the EU and go down the toilet with the rest of europe. 

is democracy still a meme that people believe in over there

our current government is doing everything it can do push us to remain, so it's probably going to be rigged. cameron already extended the voter registration deadline by two full days at the last minute for the referendum, and polling cards are being sent to people who aren't even entitled to vote in the referendum at all

rumours also say that if we do manage to vote leave, the government is going to demand a re-vote

[Kinharia]

I voted No because a Brexit will fuck people outside of England a hell of a lot. I will be voting No in the referendum simply because I do not have the option to kick England out. However as Little Englanders are intent on pulling everyone out I look forward to witnessing the final collapse of the English Empire when Scotland votes to leave and Ireland reunifys.

[Dr. Doggo]

2 minutes ago, Kinharia said:

I voted No because a Brexit will fuck people outside of England a hell of a lot.

Good.

[Sourdough]

I believe a Brexit will cause Arthur, King of the Britons, to rise again from Avalon and deliver us from evil.

[Wax]

5 hours ago, #00Buck said:

I think the British people have been cucked to the point that they will stay in the EU and go down the toilet with the rest of europe. 

Cucked is such a stupid word, as is the vast majority of internet vernacular.

5 hours ago, Saxon said:

I feel that our nation's problems with immigration are mostly attributable to non-european immigration.

I think Brexit would allow us to form our own regulations regarding immigration, rather than having us follow whatever is asked of us by the EU. I think.

[Dr. Doggo]

Just now, Saxon said:

Really? Really?

Don't worry Saxon, Scotland won't leave. She'll still want big daddy England to fund her socialism.

[Sourdough]

1 minute ago, Saxon said:

I've been to the Avalon...peninsular...of Newfoundland.

 

[Wax]

9 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said:

Don't worry Saxon, Scotland won't leave. She'll still want big daddy England to fund her socialism.

I'll certainly be a while before they hold another referendum on Scotland to leave, if at all. Apparently there's talks Brexit would trigger another referendum shortly, but I doubt it.

15 minutes ago, Saxon said:

The EU doesn't tell us how we should manage migration from outside of the EU. Only internal.

I thought wrong lol

[Dr. Doggo]

10 minutes ago, Wax said:

I'll certainly be a while before they hold another referendum on Scotland to leave, if at all. Apparently there's talks Brexit would trigger another referendum shortly, but I doubt it.

Chances are they'll do one in a few years' time. But other countries are itching to have a shot at their own referendum on the EU, especially if we successfully leave. Even if we don't exit, the EU will eventually crumble and many people will be shocked to find that they can enjoy workers' rights from their own elected representatives and have far-reaching trade deals without having a hand-rubbing elite clique making the decisions for them in some far-off place.

The Eurocrats aren't helping themselves by finally being open about their desire for control, treating poorer members like shit, and threatening to "punish" us if we leave.

26 minutes ago, Saxon said:

The EU doesn't tell us how we should manage migration from outside of the EU. Only internal.

It doesn't, but we still have to take in whatever the EU wants us to. Economic migrants are arriving in gutted countries like Greece or post-commie nations, and then they make their way to other places. Other than that, we still act as Poland's job centre and we have no say in preventing it. But yes, we can and do stop e.g. Americans working and settling here all we like.

[#00Buck]

57 minutes ago, Wax said:

Cucked is such a stupid word, as is the vast majority of internet vernacular.

I think Brexit would allow us to form our own regulations regarding immigration, rather than having us follow whatever is asked of us by the EU. I think.

 

[ArielMT]

I see polls saying a majority favors Leave, but no one's saying if that's an actual majority of the UK or a majority of England alone.

[Wax]

1 hour ago, #00Buck said:

 

go cuck yourself

[#00Buck]

Just now, Wax said:

go cuck yourself

Impossible. 

I can't do that because honestly I'm my type. 

[Rassah]

I love the Brexit. Just the fear of it alone has been insanely profitable for me. If it actually happens, holy shit $.$

[Dr. Doggo]

11 hours ago, ArielMT said:

I see polls saying a majority favors Leave, but no one's saying if that's an actual majority of the UK or a majority of England alone.

It also doesn't take into account whether or not the people polled are actually entitled to vote in it, and OAPs are unlikely to be reached by the ever-popular online polling, who are the most likely to vote leave as they got to watch Britain slowly turn to shit under the EU before most of the remainers were even born.

The polls were in favour of remain to begin with, quite heavily, actually. But the campaigning has gone ahead and the remainers' campaign has been a complete farce, and now we're swinging towards leaving. For example Gordon Brown came out to call the Labour leavers bigots for voting to leave, and Cameron belittled and shat on british patriots (his voter base) for their choice.

I'm quite confident that (((we))) will vote to remain, as the financial giant that is Brussels' HQ will not let us stand in the way of their wish for control.

[Dr. Doggo]

1 minute ago, Saxon said:

...Gibby I know what this symbol means.

Come on man, really?

A silly meme for conspiracy theorists?

[Dr. Doggo]

Just now, Saxon said:

An expression of something altogether nasty, Gibby. :\ I am no fan of any religious claims of the divine; I am highly critical of them. But this is about being seditious to an entire group of people for presumed conspiratorial crimes, instead of dismantling arguments, or judging each person on their character and merits, rather than whatever faction you perceive them to belong to.

The eurocrats and our own government have historically shown themselves to be a bunch of self-interested crooks, so I don't really put conspiracy past them at all.

*le tipping tinfoil hat maymay*

[Dr. Doggo]

Just now, Saxon said:

I definitely agree that conspiracies occur in authority, such as the Hillsborough cover up or the Rochdale abuse cover up.

I'm not sure why this means we can assume all the conspirators are Jewish though, or that they're going to conspire to change the referendum result. ._.

Not sure what Jews have to do with the discussion. The president of the european parliament is a German.

[Dr. Doggo]

1 minute ago, Saxon said:

That's what the triple brackets mean.

It's part of a web-browser plugin which surrounds all 'Jewish' names with triple brackets, so that users can identify Jews.

sounds dumb

you'd think they'd use asterisks or something

[Dr. Doggo]

Just now, Saxon said:

But anyway, I know that's why you surrounded 'we' with triple brackets, Gibby, and I know you're more reasonable than that; that's why I am talking to you directly about this.

i know remainers like to insinuate that leavers like me are xenophobic ethnocentric UKIP voters that want to bring back the british empire but this is starting to go into the realm of dishonesty

I see the brackets being used for various organisational names from the BBC to the Pentagon online everywhere, and have read it described as a dramatic suspenseful echo in comments of my favourite infowars videos. I didn't know it's from some obscure app and I didn't know about it til you told me. I did a googly-moogly and it seems to have been deleted ages ago. My bad. Call it a coincidence.

[Yarra]

Ef Draghi and his henchmen of intimidation.  Break free my brother!  

[DevilBear]

It's gonna be just like the referendum on Scottish independence.

55/45 in favor of staying.

[Toboe]

On 14.6.2016 at 9:28 PM, DevilBear said:

It's gonna be just like the referendum on Scottish independence.

55/45 in favor of staying.

Nuh. I want Brexit and Scotland staying!

[Toboe]

1 minute ago, Saxon said:

Engxit?

Enxit and Scay.