Toboe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Saxon said: At least in most western nations free expression is generally accepted outside of University 'safe spaces'. In Germany you can actually be prosecuted for using officially banned symbols. A professor of high German told me that when she was in Germany, one of her students was apprehended by the police because he had a satchel with a swastika with a line struck through it stitched on the back. You can be imprisoned for up to 6 years if you are deemed to have an 'offensive tattoo'. Wut? Got any cites? The only law that comes to mind would be 'spread of propaganda of anti-constitutional organisations' (§86 StGB) and 'usage of signs of anti constitutional organisations' (§86a StGB) And those are fines or up to 3 years + "the court can refrain* from punishment in cases of minor guilt" * note impromptu translation i'm not exactly sure about. http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86.html http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/86a.html 1 hour ago, Saxon said: You are exempt if you can prove you have 'artistic motivations', and I expect religious symbols may be exempt too. Quote (3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient. -> exempt are: civic education, defense against anti constitutional efforts Art, Science, Research and Education, Reporting about Current or Historical events "oder ähnliche Zwecke" or comparable purposes, For religion i'd guess the approach would be "Yes, the Nazis used the Swastika, too. But we do NOT use it as a Nazi sign but rather as a sign of our religion." With some applied common sense that that is not just a cop-out. Though i do not know whether Religions still use it in Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just now, PastryOfApathy said: Yeah I remember when it first made the rounds. Dude ended up getting banned. Also I guess he's a massive attention-whore since he also copied some dead guys fursuit at some point just to piss people off. Eh, I don't really care if attention is his motivation, because I'm admiring the aesthetic quality. I also think it's silly to ban a fursuit for having a confederate flag on it, because if anybody actually feels oppressed by the existence of such an item, the problem isn't racism, but that they're a moron who thinks a fursuit is oppressing them. 1 minute ago, Toboe said: Wut? Got any cites? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35113203 I was incorrect when I typed 'six', I should have said 'five years'. The Man in question is a neo-nazi who has an alleged reference to Auschwitz tattooed on his back. Personally I think the only people who suffer from bad tattoos are the people stupid enough to put them on their bodies, and that that is probably punishment enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vae Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, pheonixbat said: Aren't you supposed to wear those for only like a few hours at a time or your whole chest anatomy becomes screwed? I've only seen like one picture of what happens when you have them on for too long and it looks terrible. Chest binders are recommended to be taken off after around 8 hours of use, when they become uncomfortable, and before sleeping. And yes, they can fuck up the rib cage and lungs pretty bad. They're akin to corsets, that put more pressure on the chest region instead of the waist. 5 hours ago, Saxon said: Indeed. I'm a little bit tentative about criticising the user in question too severely, because it strikes me that a woman desperate enough to damage her health, so that she can look as if she has no breasts, may well have a mental health problem. :\ I just feel bad for this person. In most instances, binding is used to present yourself as male. So it's not "Oh I want this because of an aesthetic nitpick," it's "People are gonna get all fucking weird with me and start a bunch of shit and possibly endanger my safety in other ways, because I'm walking around presenting as a man with a D-cup." Unfortunately, the only other option in this case is surgery, and that's costly. Although I don't know whether you mean they were wearing it for years straight, or if they'd just been keeping regular use of it for a few years. Because that first option would probably be a mental health (or laziness) issue, yes. Other, not so much. It's more of an unfortunate side-effect of limited and excessively expensive access to medical procedures. Edited January 4, 2016 by Vae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Saxon said: Eh, I don't really care if attention is his motivation, because I'm admiring the aesthetic quality. I also think it's silly to ban a fursuit for having a confederate flag on it, because if anybody actually feels oppressed by the existence of such an item, the problem isn't racism, but that they're a moron who thinks a fursuit is oppressing them. I think it's more the fact that they don't want to deal with all the bitching. I don't have any sympathy anyways since quite frankly you should know better than to spend thousands of dollars on something that fucking stupid. At least he has some true patriots defending him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just look at the face of the Confederate fursuiter. Need I say more? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Saxon said: I was incorrect when I typed 'six', I should have said 'five years'. The Man in question is a neo-nazi who has an alleged reference to Auschwitz tattooed on his back. Personally I think the only people who suffer from bad tattoos are the people stupid enough to put them on their bodies, and that that is probably punishment enough. Hm, googling it gave me an article that cites charges of "Volksverhetze"(§130 StGB (~ Hatespeech?) which does go up to 5 yers. http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/130.html Mister slaver flag should not be threatened with vandalism, but kicking out for being a general cunt with a history? Sounds reasonable. Edited January 4, 2016 by Toboe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't mind the flag but isn't wearing a flag kind of tacky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 39 minutes ago, Battlechili said: I don't mind the flag but isn't wearing a flag kind of tacky? So are the horrific neon-colored abominations that walk around cons but that's never stopped anyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, LazerMaster5 said: Just look at the face of the Confederate fursuiter. Need I say more? I agree that thing definitely needs a different head. 42 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: So are the horrific neon-colored abominations that walk around cons but that's never stopped anyone. Your fursona is a lime green sewer rate. O_o 2 hours ago, Toboe said: Mister slaver flag Do you genuinely think a furry with a confederate flag suit is moving for the re-enslavement of blacks? Chest binders are recommended to be taken off after around 8 hours of use, when they become uncomfortable, and before sleeping. And yes, they can fuck up the rib cage and lungs pretty bad. They're akin to corsets, that put more pressure on the chest region instead of the waist. In most instances, binding is used to present yourself as male. So it's not "Oh I want this because of an aesthetic nitpick," it's "People are gonna get all fucking weird with me and start a bunch of shit and possibly endanger my safety in other ways, because I'm walking around presenting as a man with a D-cup." Unfortunately, the only other option in this case is surgery, and that's costly. Although I don't know whether you mean they were wearing it for years straight, or if they'd just been keeping regular use of it for a few years. Because that first option would probably be a mental health (or laziness) issue, yes. Other, not so much. It's more of an unfortunate side-effect of limited and excessively expensive access to medical procedures. The journal didn't state for what length of time the binder had been worn. Continuing to wear an article that is definitely causing long term respiratory problems and breast deformity is...definitely a bigger problem than the possibility of other people being offended that a woman appears masculine. I suspect that transgender women, who wear binders, do so to make their body conform to their own self image, rather than because they are worried that their safety will be endangered if they are perceived as a masculine woman. Edited January 5, 2016 by Saxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, Saxon said: Your fursona is a lime green sewer rate. O_o Hey I don't look like a fucking sparkledog. Besides, it fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, Saxon said: Do you genuinely think a furry with a confederate flag suit is moving for the re-enslavement of blacks? I do think he is making a political statement itself, so not moving for anything. considering: 2 hours ago, PastryOfApathy said: Yeah I remember when it first made the rounds. Dude ended up getting banned. Also I guess he's a massive attention-whore since he also copied some dead guys fursuit at some point just to piss people off. I'd assume that to be a troll, to be treated with indifference. Be it with or without "get out and only come back when ya grown up". Somewhat off is historical naivety ("It means freedom"). And only very off, on the 'well, hypothetically possible' comes "We don't want to be dictated whether we can own slaves, states rights!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallium Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Saxon said: I agree that thing definitely needs a different head. Your fursona is a lime green sewer rate. O_o Do you genuinely think a furry with a confederate flag suit is moving for the re-enslavement of blacks? The journal didn't state for what length of time the binder had been worn. Continuing to wear an article that is definitely causing long term respiratory problems and breast deformity is...definitely a bigger problem than the possibility of other people being offended that a woman appears masculine. I suspect that transgender women, who wear binders, do so to make their body conform to their own self image, rather than because they are worried that their safety will be endangered if they are perceived as a masculine woman. transgender man? If the female is presenting as male, he's a man. Or if she justs wants a flat chest for whatever reason besides gender...idk Edited January 5, 2016 by WolfNightV4X1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Toboe said: I do think he is making a political statement itself, so not moving for anything. considering: I'd assume that to be a troll, to be treated with indifference. Be it with or without "get out and only come back when ya grown up". Somewhat off is historical naivety ("It means freedom"). And only very off, on the 'well, hypothetically possible' comes "We don't want to be dictated whether we can own slaves, states rights!" From my outside perspective, I think a great deal of patronising people tell others 'hey, that flag supports racism' when the person who is sporting it doesn't think so and clearly doesn't support racism themselves. In which case becoming offended is one of the most pointless things ever. I think we should concentrate on dismantling racist views, instead of banning symbols we perceive as associated with racism. If there actually was a legion of racists who wanted to reinstall slavery, what good would anybody think they would do by banning their leaders' favourite colour, for example? At least the up shot is that hilarity is guaranteed to result; there was an example of a cake shop which refused to make a confederate cake, but happily made an Islamic state cake: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33330864 transgender man? If the female is presenting as male, he's a man. I mean...trans ladies dont wear binders because they actually want breasts I was describing a woman who wants to be man. She's a woman and she's transgender...so she is a transgender woman... Edited January 5, 2016 by Saxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 2 hours ago, LazerMaster5 said: Just look at the face of the Confederate fursuiter. Need I say more? Stop makin' me cringe! >:C 3emo5me Emo's suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muugu Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 4 hours ago, LazerMaster5 said: Just look at the face of the Confederate fursuiter. Need I say more? It looks like even it is disappointed in the flag on its back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Can't wait for the ISIS-themed fursuit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 With Donald Trump running it's only a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 11 hours ago, Saxon said: So I found this when I was browsing twitter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVZZ67BVAAABMer.jpg I am quite surprised this exists, because furries tend to be a bunch of lefties, but it is beautifully made. I also found out that the Korean DMZ is guarded by at least 1 diaperfur who is employed to drive tanks. I mean, I guess it's not that unbelievable, but it rather ruins the tension of the cinematic, politically charged DMZ that exists in my imagination, with automated south Korean kill bots and phony north Korean border towns. That is a pretty good looking colour scheme for a suit, looks nice. Sounds like the tank driver fur is suitable for the job since they may have to spend hours on end wearing diapers inside the tank anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Khaki said: Sounds like the tank driver fur is suitable for the job since they may have to spend hours on end wearing diapers inside the tank anyway. Since when do tank drivers wear diapers? Or is that just tongue-in-cheek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said: Since when do tank drivers wear diapers? Or is that just tongue-in-cheek? Well I'm not sure what the standards are like these days, but during the 60's - 80's I know they used to have wear diapers and spend up to a week or so living inside the tank during NBC exercises, not the most pleasant experience I can imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewge Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 How many people here still use FA? I haven't used it in like, 2 years. Only even bothered making an account there because I'd go to the forums :u Is it worth the attention to use ? ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, Hewge said: How many people here still use FA? I haven't used it in like, 2 years. Only even bothered making an account there because I'd go to the forums :u Is it worth the attention to use ? ! This is a good question, where does everyone post their furry porn scribbles these days? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I should be doing homework but I really can't be arsed with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Since when do tank drivers wear diapers? Or is that just tongue-in-cheek? Biological warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 If you wave the Confederate flag, you're probably complete trash that I would leave inside a burning house to save a pig. That said, I'd probably leave the people who are offended by flags in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayonnaise Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Khaki said: This is a good question, where does everyone post their furry porn scribbles these days? It's Inkbunny, no doubt. 3 hours ago, Hewge said: How many people here still use FA? I haven't used it in like, 2 years. Only even bothered making an account there because I'd go to the forums :u Is it worth the attention to use ? ! You know I do. Just upload wherever I have an account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Newt said: If you wave the Confederate flag, you're probably complete trash that I would leave inside a burning house to save a pig. That said, I'd probably leave the people who are offended by flags in there too. THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewalk Surfboard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 For some reason, tonight while I was sleeping I woke up every hour after every dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcastic Coffeecup Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 My mum said I looked like my dad, gestures and all. I refused to believe that, but I've been presented an old pic that looks just like me.. Honest to whatever deity, if the pic wasn't so old looking I'd get confused as to what I'm doing there myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muugu Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Sarcastic Coffeecup said: My mum said I looked like my dad, gestures and all. I refused to believe that, but I've been presented an old pic that looks just like me.. Honest to whatever deity, if the pic wasn't so old looking I'd get confused as to what I'm doing there myself. What if it was you... Maybe you'll invent a time machine and go back in time to tell your mum to take a pic and mess with you later on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 9 hours ago, Hewge said: How many people here still use FA? I haven't used it in like, 2 years. Only even bothered making an account there because I'd go to the forums :u Is it worth the attention to use ? ! I do. As far as functionality goes (since I don't pay attention to drama since I don't fucking care), its actually gotten way better. Not like it matters much anyways since whether I like it or not that's where all the people are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewalk Surfboard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I swear to god, the freshman at this school will be the death of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal7 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, Sidewalk Surfboard said: I swear to god, the freshman at this school will be the death of me. How? They're just little brats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewalk Surfboard Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Terminal7 said: How? They're just little brats. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal7 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sidewalk Surfboard said: Exactly So you mean they're riding Swagways and shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 24 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: I do. As far as functionality goes (since I don't pay attention to drama since I don't fucking care), its actually gotten way better. Not like it matters much anyways since whether I like it or not that's where all the people are. FA still needs a blacklist system for tags. The filter app doesn't cover that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 30 minutes ago, Sidewalk Surfboard said: Exactly Tehehehehe thank you for the good laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Newt said: FA still needs a blacklist system for tags. The filter app doesn't cover that. This is still FA, baby steps. Besides, going in blind and being assailed by all sorts of awful fetishes is part of the experience. Edited January 5, 2016 by PastryOfApathy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinharia Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 When I first joined the Furry Fandom I had no idea what to expect, the brief allusions to Furries I heard gave me the impression it was SJW's. Thank the Gods that it isn't all like that. I may get a tad annoyed at the Trolls sometimes but at the end of the day it makes the fandom a little brighter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yeah, after all if it were all peace and quiet this place would become kinda boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Cool! I just learned that ctrl+right-clicking in the text box we create our posts in on this forum brings up a specialized context menu. There's not a lot there (in fact, unless your operating on some kind of tag element, it's just paste with or without formatting) but if you ctrl+right-click on a quote it give you an easy way to remove the quote and keep the quote's text or just remove both! It can also be used to access the image properties you get by double-clicking on an image inserted into your post or removing hyperlinking while keeping the linked text! So, how many months behind am I in discovering this? Can't just have a simple text entry field anymore, oh-no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 A straight guy keeps sending me gay porn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1 minute ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: A straight guy keeps sending me gay porn. Is he really straight? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Toboe said: Is he really straight? I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 hour ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: I think so. Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 hour ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: I think so. Straight people don't just casually have gay porn on hand. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 1 minute ago, PastryOfApathy said: Straight people don't just casually have gay porn on hand. Hmmm, true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminal7 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 OMG THE HOT SAUCE IS BURNING MY LIPS fuckin kill me pls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 36 minutes ago, Terminal7 said: OMG THE HOT SAUCE IS BURNING MY LIPS fuckin kill me pls... I can't kill you but I can give you milk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onnes Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: I can't kill you but I can give you milk Milk barely does anything. Alcohol, though. Alcohol dissolves capsaicin oils. It's why beer and Indian food is amazing. Edited January 6, 2016 by Onnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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