Jtrekkie Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 54 minutes ago, Gator said: but gender roles and perceptions are not gender. a lot of the conversations i've seen have made no distinction between the two... but, well, you can't be born with a social construct. As far as policy is concerned (since Price Waterhouse v Hopkins), gender is a social construct. Not a construct per se, but a construct because it doesn't necessarily depend on sex and must rely on external factors as well. Sex, in that case, would be confined only to phsyical structures- both the primary and secondary charicteristics and more subtle differences which are less likely to be noticed. That reasoning would make the parts which you are born with or resulting from what you are born with (such as a feeling of what it is to be male or female, if you have that) would be lumped into "sex", and differences learned later, such as what maleness or femaleness means, would be lumped into gender. Fun Fact: The US doesn't actually have sexual harrassment laws, only sexual discrimination laws. The idea that harrasment was a form of discrimination just happened and people ran with it. Fun Fact: The idea that dudes could be sexually harrassed occurred 30 years later when a crazy pizza lady kept molesting people. Before then it was assumed they would enjoy it. Fun Fact: the idea that gay dudes could be sexually harrassed occurred an additional 3 years after that, when a rig crew kept trying to rape a guy with a wrench. Before then it was assumed they would enjoy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 10 hours ago, Jtrekkie said: As far as policy is concerned (since Price Waterhouse v Hopkins), gender is a social construct. Not a construct per se, but a construct because it doesn't necessarily depend on sex and must rely on external factors as well. Sex, in that case, would be confined only to phsyical structures- both the primary and secondary charicteristics and more subtle differences which are less likely to be noticed. That reasoning would make the parts which you are born with or resulting from what you are born with (such as a feeling of what it is to be male or female, if you have that) would be lumped into "sex", and differences learned later, such as what maleness or femaleness means, would be lumped into gender. Fun Fact: The US doesn't actually have sexual harrassment laws, only sexual discrimination laws. The idea that harrasment was a form of discrimination just happened and people ran with it. Fun Fact: The idea that dudes could be sexually harrassed occurred 30 years later when a crazy pizza lady kept molesting people. Before then it was assumed they would enjoy it. Fun Fact: the idea that gay dudes could be sexually harrassed occurred an additional 3 years after that, when a rig crew kept trying to rape a guy with a wrench. Before then it was assumed they would enjoy it. good lord though worst part is, i have encountered people who do not believe men can be sexually harassed isn't "gender" just your mind/body recognizing your sex? in which case, it would be biological even if not outwardly visible, and therefore not purely social--which would make sense to me, considering the fact that social roles don't seem to impact or change most people's gender identities. and if an innate sense of what sex you are meant to be is just a part of your sex, does two aspects of your biological "sex" being at odds make you technically intersex? if "gender" is nothing but social "gender roles", though, that would mean "transgender" is a choice made by people who just happen to enjoy another sex's gender roles, and basically anyone can do it or stop doing it at any time. and if i ask some people, that's exactly how it works. but others disagree. mysteries of science edit: maybe i should just make a thread about this.. you know, for science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallium Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Gator said: -snip- It really is confusing, and I think people who rely on embraced social roles alone arent totally transgender if they dont feel a disconnect with their physical self, because being a masculine/butch woman doesnt mean you are a man or a effeminate/flanboyant male doesnt mean youre a woman, thats a question probably everyone needs to ask at some point That said though, social roles do negatively affect trans people, as theyre often subjected to appearing or acting as what other people want from birth, so once most trans people become self aware they start to embrace and reject aspects of social roles that fit and dont fit, most of which to blend on another spectrum of society; i.e, I know transmen who like the color blue and dislike pink even if its totally arbitrary anyways, trans women who apply makeup to appear more feminine although females wearing makeup isnt all necessary. I think the reason they apply "gender as a social construct" is if you cant see someones genitals (as is normal with basic interaction with strangers) and their secondary sex traits are androgynous, then you can only see what they present as based on traits we apply to gender (if you place a bow on a dogs ear, its a girl, on a dogs neck, its a boy). I agree that there really isnt a lot of sense or rationality sometimes, whether someone is "really" trans or not is a matter of Poe's law, I suppose, and is more a sense of self discovery on their part. In that case its best to let it be unless theyre tumblrinas who demand complete strangers call them a man or woman when they do nothing physically or even socially to appear as such 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I don't understand why I dislike Sammy Hagar so much. He's done nothing to me, and he's probably an alright guy! But everytime I hear 'I Can't Drive 55' I want to punch him in the sunglasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Overheard from someone on another project today: "You're my least favorite senpai now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#00Buck Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, DrGravitas said: Overheard from someone on another project today: "You're my least favorite senpai now." Yeah, but you noticed them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 23 minutes ago, #00Buck said: Yeah, but you noticed them... They were quoting something to somebody else. I merely heard it and do not understand it out of context (but found it hilarious, nonetheless.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopaw Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Why some of the engineering classrooms I go in have posters pertaining to these long obsolete " (so hardly anyone will find them today) "tropical fish" capacitors that are only of interest to those into vintage auto things and old guitar amps. On the plus side they sell quite well due to the vintage sound they make, and they look like candy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Someone on the late night sanitation crew seems to be straightening my papers, pushing my chair in, and... turning the numlock light off on my keyboard? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 51 minutes ago, DrGravitas said: Someone on the late night sanitation crew seems to be straightening my papers, pushing my chair in, and... turning the numlock light off on my keyboard? Is it a problem? Could it be corporate espionage!? :v 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossa Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Why they made only one season of the TV show, 'Freaks and Geeks'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopaw Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Why the college had to give us a teacher (who I found is a supply (i.e temporary) one) who is freshly out from university to teach my class engineering related maths when there are many good maths teachers in the college already who teach the subject at A-level. For those wondering this stuff here is what said teacher is doing a awful job teaching, at least I can understand some of it, I get asked by those in the class who don't for help sometimes. It seems the higher ups care orders of magnitudes more about the A-level people getting C-A* grade than the vocational people getting D*D*D* I am sorry to this forum if it is sick of me complaining about this but my education hangs on this so much it is leaving me stressed, which makes it hard to work on other units or draw anthro weasels among other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sourdough Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 13 hours ago, DrGravitas said: Someone on the late night sanitation crew seems to be straightening my papers, pushing my chair in, and... turning the numlock light off on my keyboard? This post made me smile c: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 One of my kitties gave me bondage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 23 hours ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: One of my kitties gave me bondage Kinky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I don't understand why I feel ways about certain things. If only my brain had like a circuit breaker box that I could use to shut off non essential emotions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorroValdez Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtrekkie Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Last month I submitted two papers. one of them argued for the hunting of whales on a large scale (for various reasons.) The other, in passing, argued for the use of artificially enhanced grains in impoverished areas, instead of insisting a devotion to being "organic." One of these papers was praised for cleverness, the other accused, nicely, the author of raping the earth as well as the human body. I no longer understand the environmental movement . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Jtrekkie said: Last month I submitted two papers. one of them argued for the hunting of whales on a large scale (for various reasons.) The other, in passing, argued for the use of artificially enhanced grains in impoverished areas, instead of insisting a devotion to being "organic." One of these papers was praised for cleverness, the other accused, nicely, the author of raping the earth as well as the human body. I no longer understand the environmental movement . why do you even have to take environmental classes if you're an electrical engineering student .-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtrekkie Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: why do you even have to take environmental classes if you're an electrical engineering student .-. Well, these days the Liberal Arts are heavy in humanities trying to be practical. Anyway, you need to be familiarized with a lot of fields to be an effective citizen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Magnets. How do they work? fam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Scattered drama messes with me and it's hard to manage in my head. But when shit hits the fan, I get this focus I don't understand. It's not adrenaline, it lasts too long to be. I think I'm best suited working under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vae Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 People who prioritize being liked over being respected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 hours ago, Hux said: Magnets. How do they work? fam Is this a meme quotation or a legitimate question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 @Vae I think since it's easier to be liked, some feel they'll be accepted all the more quicker (which is generally what a lot of people aim for). Whereas being respected takes quite some effort to achieve and in some cases is even intimidating. There are also those (like myself) who think that being liked & being respected are not so different. Almost - if not everyone - I like is treated with respect. It works the other way around too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossa Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 @Vae and @Moogle Then again, with like and respect, one could be liked and/or respected, but for reasons that were not those that I would want respected: For instance, people who support racism are respected by racists, earning this respect via deeds and words. Thus, is respect a quality of any merit in and of itself? The most cruel, ruthless sort might be respected, and respect seems like a cultural construct, such that in and of itself, I'm not certain it holds any particular value. Well, just some abstract thoughts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 4 hours ago, FenrirDarkWolf said: Is this a meme quotation or a legitimate question It's whatever you want it to be ~~~~<3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vae Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 12 hours ago, Moogle said: @Vae I think since it's easier to be liked, some feel they'll be accepted all the more quicker (which is generally what a lot of people aim for). Whereas being respected takes quite some effort to achieve and in some cases is even intimidating. There are also those (like myself) who think that being liked & being respected are not so different. Almost - if not everyone - I like is treated with respect. It works the other way around too. You can respect someone you dislike or have no particular emotional attachments to, though. You can still respect that they do. I'm largely disregarding respect due to sentiment in that instance, because people are naturally going to have their own emotional biases and all that, but it's not really what I'm referring to. I feel like that still falls more on the "liked" end of the spectrum than the "respected." 11 hours ago, Fossa-Boy said: @Vae and @Moogle Then again, with like and respect, one could be liked and/or respected, but for reasons that were not those that I would want respected: For instance, people who support racism are respected by racists, earning this respect via deeds and words. Thus, is respect a quality of any merit in and of itself? The most cruel, ruthless sort might be respected, and respect seems like a cultural construct, such that in and of itself, I'm not certain it holds any particular value. Well, just some abstract thoughts! If you're comparing them on that measure alone, that could apply to both and anything, for that matter Someone could equally be liked on the grounds of their atrocities if that's what lines up with someone else's values and personal appeal. I'm just talking about the two concepts versus each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Why every meaningful connection I make in life seems to wither away within 6 to 18 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossa Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, DrGravitas said: Why every meaningful connection I make in life seems to wither away within 6 to 18 months. Oh, this makes me sad to hear! You seem so well rounded, smart, funny and charming! Well, you have me as a friend, even if just on the interwebs. And if I wasn't involved, and had boobs, I'd wanna ask ya out! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 9 hours ago, Hux said: It's whatever you want it to be ~~~~<3 Magnets works because of magnetism : D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtrekkie Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/30/2016 at 6:10 PM, Hux said: Magnets. How do they work? fam It's a complicated quantum effect of electrons, and there is no classical analog for what happens. It results from the election's "spin" and the Pauli exclusion principle. (The exclusion principle just means that no two particles like electrons with the same spin can occupy the same position.) Anyway, the most common form of magnetism you see is called ferromagnetism. Materials that show a high degree of that kind of magnetism, iron for instance, have "domains" throughout with a net magnetic moment. When those domains are aligned, or nearly aligned, their forces add together. otherwise, they are scattered and cancel eachother out. That's why iron is not always magnetic. Permanent magnets usually have impurities added to prevent those domains from moving once the material is magnetized, but the application of heat will allow them to scatter. Most materials are non-magnetic because the Pauli exclusion principle means their electrons cancel each other out; for each shell in the atom there is an electron with an up spin for every electron with a down spin. So the only way to get a net magnetic moment is if you have an unfilled shell. Iron is configured that way, and is full of shared electrons only loosely bound to their atoms. (That's also why iron is ductile and conductive.) But if you actually add all the contributions from every electron, it won't be as powerful as what you actually measure in a magnet. That's because of another effect of the Pauli Exclusion Principle, exchange, and that electrons with the same spin are more likely to be exchanged than electrons with different spins. For electromagnets it's really just two electrons exchanging a photon. Everything I wrote is somewhere between subtly wrong and flat out incorrect. So there's that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jtrekkie said: (smart stuff) I appreciate your reply, but I was just trying to meme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Hux said: I appreciate your reply, but I was just trying to meme. I don't understand why your neck is song long in this picture, is the booty you're looking at so good you need to break your neck for it 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagged Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 16 hours ago, Vae said: You can respect someone you dislike or have no particular emotional attachments to, though. You can still respect that they do. Dr. House is respected and renowned doctor but his colleagues but his colleagues really dislike him Aside from dislikeable professionals like Dr. House, I only have tolerance for people who I really dislike or feel uncomfortable with. Tolerance is what I'd say defines a certain degree of respect we're looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallium Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Why school k-12 is free for learning the basic knowledge but school higher than that for gaining knowledge suitable for the workforce isnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 15 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said: Why school k-12 is free for learning the basic knowledge but school higher than that for gaining knowledge suitable for the workforce isnt It is because primary/secondary education evolved separately from higher education. Free primary/secondary education in the U.S. came about in the U.S. after the rise of the factory model school and the rejection of nonstandard private academies. Costly college/university education in the U.S. came about in the U.S. after the rise of private and research focused education and the rejection of clergy and civil servant focused education. One can largely replace 'U.S.' with any country in those statements and stay mostly to the truth. I don't understand why the U.S. is being so slow to adjust to changes similar to the ones that brought about these systems in the first place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hux Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Why dark, cold weather makes me feel so much better than hot and sunny bullshit. On 11/1/2016 at 2:54 AM, FenrirDarkWolf said: I don't understand why your neck is song long in this picture, is the booty you're looking at so good you need to break your neck for it WikiHow to get a friendly human to fix a herniated disc in your neck. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaende Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I've never understood the appeal of reality TV. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikazuki Marazhu Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 5 hours ago, Xaende said: I've never understood the appeal of reality TV. Because people like minding other people's business :V 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossa Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/3/2016 at 5:01 PM, Xaende said: I've never understood the appeal of reality TV. Same here...it all feels so scripted, phony and unlike the reality anyone I know lives in. And also shallow: It has the potential to be an interesting genre, yet just skims along the surface in cookie-cutter fashion, with no real depth, feeling or meaning, leaving you feeling numb, drained, and as if your intelligence has been insulted---or even assaulted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongbob Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Why is it so dark outside! It wasn't this dark yesterday evening! Thanks Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 4 hours ago, Strongbob said: Why is it so dark outside! It wasn't this dark yesterday evening! Thanks Obama. Because daily savings time has ended, it is now an hour earlier before. What would before be 8 PM would now be 7 PM. Our clocks changed, but the sun didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongbob Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 5 hours ago, LazerMaster5 said: Because daily savings time has ended, it is now an hour earlier before. What would before be 8 PM would now be 7 PM. Our clocks changed, but the sun didn't. Impossible! The sun has been stolen from the sky! This is Obama bringing about the dark times just as the profit Sean Hannity (peace be upon him) has foretold. Repent ye sinners and despair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Don't worry, citizen, that's just the first section of Donald Trump's 'Sun Fence' going into place in orbit, to prevent global warming by stopping illegally immigrating solar radiation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Faust said: Don't worry, citizen, that's just the first section of Donald Trump's 'Sun Fence' going into place in orbit, to prevent global warming by stopping illegally immigrating solar radiation. But I thought he didn't believe in global warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faust Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 hour ago, LazerMaster5 said: But I thought he didn't believe in global warming. Well, he doesn't. Really it's a giant toupee to make the planet look like his face. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Why I'm scoring better on this corporate training quiz when fooling around on these forums while I take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spot Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Why Buck got banned. There are far worse people here and he's the one that gets the chop? He must've done something quite bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenrirDarkWolf Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Why Buck got banned. There are far worse people here and he's the one that gets the chop? He must've done something quite bad. Or he asked for one just to stay away from the site. I think you can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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