Global warming

[Nova]

Is there a way to stop it or slow it down.

Most of my relatives life in africa and they could die there because of the warming because we already have 45°C there and we dont need water that floods the villages.

[Vaer]

Nova, Google is your friend. 

Global Warming solutions for Africa

[evan]

let's stop for a moment, while we've got the grace of silence, to evaluate before we ride that great train that is nova threads

i'm going to ask you three questions:

1) do you think this thread would be a more scientific source than the proper combing through a google search

2)do you think we are more reliable as a source than a google search leading to other sources

3)  do you think this thread has the content capacity to make it past one page without derailing

i'm not even going to tell you why i asked these questions. i'm only going to ask you to think about it for a moment.

[Revates]

Isn't global warming a myth? :v

But I think you should consider googling things like this more often rather than asking us. I think you'd get a lot of helpful information and half of us probably do that anyways...

[Half-Note]

"Global Warming" is a lie invented by ecofascists that are too hypersensitive about a little junk on the side of the road.

[ZorroValdez]

Step 1: Obtain time machine.

Step 2: Figure out how to keep a volcano from erupting (impossible unless you have mutant powers).

Step 3: ????

Step 4: Profit.

[Half-Note]

11 minutes ago, ZorroValdez said:

Step 1: Obtain time machine.

Step 2: Figure out how to keep a volcano from erupting (impossible unless you have mutant powers).

Step 3: ????

Step 4: Profit.

You can slowly fill it to the top with rocks. If there are a gazillion small rocks inside the volcano it won't be able to erupt.

Either that or you'll have the mother of all hailstorms coming down.

[ZorroValdez]

So we need a mountain-sized buttplug...

Brilliant.

[Half-Note]

6 minutes ago, ZorroValdez said:

So we need a mountain-sized buttplug...

Brilliant.

I'm sure Bad Dragon would be more than willing to help with that one.

[ZorroValdez]

1 minute ago, Half-Note said:

I'm sure Bad Dragon would be more than willing to help with that one.

Let's get a Kickstarter going.

[Half-Note]

5 minutes ago, ZorroValdez said:

Let's get a Kickstarter going.

"Help us commission a mountain-sized butt plug from Bad Dragon to go back in time and use it to plug up a volcano to keep it from erupting to save the dinosaurs."

[TrishaCat]

http://climate.nasa.gov/400ppmquotes/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/global-warming-average-carbon-emissions-breach-400-ppm-mark-enter-danger-zone-1500071
The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is the highest its ever been (in recorded history) at 400ppm. 

The "safe level" so to speak as far as the amount of CO2 in the air goes is 350ppm. Plant trees.

[Rassah]

There's some ideas about making flying machines that seed the atmosphere with water vapor, or create steam from ships at sea. It supposedly wouldn't even cost that much, and would fix the warning problem pretty quick. But for whatever reason no government wants to do it *shrug* Maybe there's more money in scaring people about warming than actually doing something about it?

Personally, I was pretty pissed that I couldn't go skiing until about mid February last year due to lack of snow, and I hope to ski again this year, but these temperatures are making me concerned. 73° on Christmas, when it's normally supposed to be 30°'s? (That's 27.8° and -2° for you people in sane parts of the world)

[Nova]

38 minutes ago, Rassah said:

There's some ideas about making flying machines that seed the atmosphere with water vapor, or create steam from ships at sea. It supposedly wouldn't even cost that much, and would fix the warning problem pretty quick. But for whatever reason no government wants to do it *shrug* Maybe there's more money in scaring people about warming than actually doing something about it?

Personally, I was pretty pissed that I couldn't go skiing until about mid February last year due to lack of snow, and I hope to ski again this year, but these temperatures are making me concerned. 73° on Christmas, when it's normally supposed to be 30°'s? (That's 27.8° and -2° for you people in sane parts of the world)

They need to do it fast. The hurricans are getting stronger through the warming and tornados get stronger too.

[Spot]

Good luck stopping it. It's a natural occurrence that happens every x amount of years so good luck with that.

[CreatorNerd]

As I said to my teacher a while ago, "So...we're polluting the environment with the environment."

Makes sense.

[WolfyAmbassador]

Global warming is caused by a "large" number of fat Americans who all open a bottle of soda simultaneously which releases large amounts of CO₂ into the atmosphere.

[Spot]

21 minutes ago, WolfyAmbassador said:

Global warming is caused by a "large" number of fat Americans who all open a bottle of soda simultaneously which releases large amounts of CO₂ into the atmosphere.

Really? I always thought it was due to the amount of bullshit Americans talk, usually around the time of elections I notice when global warming is at it's worst.

[willow]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Good luck stopping it. It's a natural occurrence that happens every x amount of years so good luck with that.

yes and no. yes climate change is something that is naturally occurring however, human interaction does also play a part in how fast it's occurring

[Zeke]

I blame China.

 

Also, do not confuse weather with climate. 

[Spot]

1 minute ago, Zeke said:

I blame China.

Don't blame China, blame Canada.

[Zeke]

26 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Don't blame China, blame Canada.

I will only blame Canada for bringing their continental polar air down to ruin our maritime tropical air mass. 

[Spot]

21 minutes ago, Zeke said:

I will only blame Canada for bringing their continental polar air down to ruin our maritime tropical air mass. 

So you won't blame Canada for their beady little eyes or not even being a real country anyway?   

[Zeke]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So you won't blame Canada for their beady little eyes or not even being a real country anyway?   

Go sit in a corner.

[Spot]

Just now, Zeke said:

Go sit in a corner.

I already am. :c

[Crazy Lee]

Climate change is real, the climate changes all the time.

But MAN MADE climate change is a fraud. It's created by alarmists and ecofacist socialist communists on the left who want to destroy capitalism and install a big-government communist system that controls everything because money and wealth are evil to them, and they hate success and successful people. It's all a giant conspiracy, like Jade Helm.

*adjusts tinfoil cap and tries to think of the other crazy things people have said against climate change*

[Saxon]

Hello there, I thought I could shed some light on this topic.

Those of you, like Rassah, in North America and Europe will have noticed that this December has been remarkably warm. This is because the East Pacific recently changed to its El nino state, in which a warm pool of water, which normally resides in the west pacific, shifts east towards Perú, where the water is usually cold.

This change in temperature, of about 4C, causes a cascade of knock-on-effects in the climate system; the west pacific becomes much drier and more prone to wild-fires, while the jet stream in the North-Atlantic region moves further north, resulting in unseasonably warm weather over the winter.

As our climate warms further, the El nino- La nina cycle could change. This year's will probably be the strongest El nino ever and some scientists, but not all, think that the Pacific might change to a permanent El nino state in the future:

Here's a link which details El nino's effects on the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_El_Ni%C3%B1o%E2%80%93Southern_Oscillation_in_the_United_States

[AshleyAshes]

I totally believe that global warming is a thing, however I think that it'll be strongly tempered by humanity soon running out of fossil fuels to burn that are a major contributor to global warming.  However, a world that runs out of fossil fuels without a sufficient replacement source of energy scares the absolute hell out of me as it'll mean massive shortages in food supply and logistics for the food industry.  ...And that's when we start killing each other.

[Butters]

7 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

I totally believe that global warming is a thing, however I think that it'll be strongly tempered by humanity soon running out of fossil fuels to burn that are a major contributor to global warming.  However, a world that runs out of fossil fuels without a sufficient replacement source of energy scares the absolute hell out of me as it'll mean massive shortages in food supply and logistics for the food industry.  ...And that's when we start killing each other.

We're always killing each other so don't fret too much. 

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, Butters said:

We're always killing each other so don't fret too much. 

No, I mean like, a LOT.  Like, the kinda stuff that makes WWII look like a rehearsal.

[Butters]

Just now, AshleyAshes said:

No, I mean like, a LOT.  Like, the kinda stuff that makes WWII look like a rehearsal.

I've prepared for such a situation by playing fallout 4. Ghoulish perk ftw. 

[Onnes]

11 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

I totally believe that global warming is a thing, however I think that it'll be strongly tempered by humanity soon running out of fossil fuels to burn that are a major contributor to global warming.  However, a world that runs out of fossil fuels without a sufficient replacement source of energy scares the absolute hell out of me as it'll mean massive shortages in food supply and logistics for the food industry.  ...And that's when we start killing each other.

Fortunately, or unfortunately, we're not running out of the big fossil fuels anytime soon. Even prior to the rise of unconventional sources and hydraulic fracturing, it was thought that the world oil reserves would last for quite a while only with increasing prices as production slowed. With the new sources, oil production hasn't even slowed. Natural gas is in a similar position, with enough proven reserves already to last multiple decades. And coal is coal.

The only things that will truly limit fossil fuel use through most of the 21st century are going to be pollution taxes or more cost-effective renewables.

[Saxon]

1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

I totally believe that global warming is a thing, however I think that it'll be strongly tempered by humanity soon running out of fossil fuels to burn that are a major contributor to global warming.  However, a world that runs out of fossil fuels without a sufficient replacement source of energy scares the absolute hell out of me as it'll mean massive shortages in food supply and logistics for the food industry.  ...And that's when we start killing each other.

We're not going to run out of fossil fuels any time soon. There are more hydrocarbon reserves in the earth's rocks than it would be possible for humans to ever extract.

Onnes is right about this.

[WolfyAmbassador]

2 hours ago, Saxon said:

Hello there, I thought I could shed some light on this topic.

Those of you, like Rassah, in North America and Europe will have noticed that this December has been remarkably warm. This is because the East Pacific recently changed to its El nino state, in which a warm pool of water, which normally resides in the west pacific, shifts east towards Perú, where the water is usually cold.

This change in temperature, of about 4C, causes a cascade of knock-on-effects in the climate system; the west pacific becomes much drier and more prone to wild-fires, while the jet stream in the North-Atlantic region moves further north, resulting in unseasonably warm weather over the winter.

As our climate warms further, the El nino- La nina cycle could change. This year's will probably be the strongest El nino ever and some scientists, but not all, think that the Pacific might change to a permanent El nino state in the future:

Here's a link which details El nino's effects on the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_El_Ni%C3%B1o%E2%80%93Southern_Oscillation_in_the_United_States

It was 77°F over here in Cary, NC yesterday.

[Catilda Lily]

It was warmer than usual in November and I think early December here, but it's acting pretty normal now. We have about 18" of snow right now and it's still snowing off and on.

[War(ranty)lock]

On 12/21/2015 at 5:02 AM, Vaer said:

Nova, Google is your friend. 

Global Warming solutions for Africa

LEo Caprio found the warming

http://syruptrap.ca/2016/05/leonardo-dicaprio-points-to-temperature-in-downtown-fort-mcmurray-as-evidence-of-global-warming/

[Khaki]

On 12/25/2015 at 1:50 AM, AshleyAshes said:

However, a world that runs out of fossil fuels without a sufficient replacement source of energy scares the absolute hell out of me as it'll mean massive shortages in food supply and logistics for the food industry.  ...And that's when we start killing each other.

I think we should be fine for when it comes to fuel and power once we get over that hiccup and organise other means for energy production.

However I'm not sure what we will do to replace the loss of cheap petroleum based plastics and lubricants, that could be trickier.

 

[Summercat]

 

10 hours ago, Khaki said:

However I'm not sure what we will do to replace the loss of cheap petroleum based plastics and lubricants, that could be trickier.

 

Synthetic oils, iirc.

[Crazy Lee]

8 minutes ago, Summercat said:

 

Synthetic oils, iirc.

I think I remember seeing a chart from a well respected source (Nat Geo, maybe) that showed that plastics only accounted for a small percentage of oil/gas use, and the vast vast majority of it is for energy and transportation.

The energy sector certainly would want to keep all those profits going.

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

11 minutes ago, Crazy Lee said:

I think I remember seeing a chart from a well respected source (Nat Geo, maybe) that showed that plastics only accounted for a small percentage of oil/gas use, and the vast vast majority of it is for energy and transportation.

The energy sector certainly would want to keep all those profits going.

I'm actually glad it's that way.. Can you imagine how many years it'll take for those to decompose? (1000 years according to google)

[Summercat]

8 minutes ago, Crazy Lee said:

I think I remember seeing a chart from a well respected source (Nat Geo, maybe) that showed that plastics only accounted for a small percentage of oil/gas use, and the vast vast majority of it is for energy and transportation.

The energy sector certainly would want to keep all those profits going.

Of course they would. I would as well, but I would also be keeping an eye on quite a few things that would make me (quietly at least) investing in alternatives. Specifically, how much oil can be profitably extracted at various prices per barrel, versus the break-point for energy costs. If oil were to go up to $2,000 a barrel, then there'd be a lot of reserves and deposits that could be tapped - but consider what that would do to our energy costs, and then things like nuclear, solar, geothermal, wind, tidal harnesses all suddenly seem a lot cheaper per megawatt.

[Endless/Nameless]

arble garble

[Mikazuki Marazhu]

Well the middle east is now preparing for the post old era, where their old reserves are depleted to the bones.

I'm having mixed feeling, oil depletion could really affect us in a bad way but then again I take great pleasure seeing these countries go backwards and ofc less air pollution 

[Khaki]

1 hour ago, Summercat said:

 

Synthetic oils, iirc.

It's still dependent on the abundance of petroleum, however after some reading apparently Polyolefins which are used in the development of some plastics

as well as being used in the 100% synthetic oils, may still be derived from the use of coal, so there is always that to fall back on once those liquid hydrocarbons we use in everyday life ones out.

But for the most part, synthetic oils are still derived from processed crude oil, it is just further refined.

 

Maybe the prophecy of the first Mad Max film may come true for a period of time after all...

[WileyWarWeasel]

What about global dimming?

 

Also in case you missed it...

The following deals with electrification of everything and renewable energy:

"

Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers

Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.

Both men are Stanford PhDs, Ross Koningstein having trained in aerospace engineering and David Fork in applied physics. These aren’t guys who fiddle about with websites or data analytics or “technology” of that sort: they are real engineers who understand difficult maths and physics, and top-bracket even among that distinguished company.

Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear.

All these things are made using mammoth amounts of energy: far from achieving massive energy savings, which most plans for a renewables future rely on implicitly, we would wind up needing far more energy, which would mean even more vast renewables farms – and even more materials and energy to make and maintain them and so on. The scale of the building would be like nothing ever attempted by the human race.

In reality, well before any such stage was reached, energy would become horrifyingly expensive – which means that everything would become horrifyingly expensive (even the present well-under-one-per-cent renewables level in the UK has pushed up utility bills very considerably).

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/23/google-gives-up-on-green-tech-investment-initiative-rec/

"

[Summercat]

19 hours ago, WileyWarWeasel said:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/23/google-gives-up-on-green-tech-investment-initiative-rec/

"To date, the company says it invested over $850 million in the renewable energy sector, and only around $30 million of which came through RE<C."

RE<C was a specific program being shut down by Google. It covered about 3.5% of their total 'Green' spending. I'm pretty certain that shuttering a specific program was not them abandoning green tech like how TechCrunch led in the headline.

Also, what these two RE<C engineers said was that a fully-renewable energy civilization wasn't possible. I could have told you that was likely, without having done the math myself. That's why I prefer fission plants of some sort for energy generation baseline, and solar/wind/anaerobic where possible. 

I also wonder if they looked into tidal harnesses, the fact our electrical grid has a shitton of losses, and that energy efficiency is rising as well. Probably, I hope. 

[WileyWarWeasel]

42 minutes ago, Summercat said:

"To date, the company says it invested over $850 million in the renewable energy sector, and only around $30 million of which came through RE<C."

RE<C was a specific program being shut down by Google. It covered about 3.5% of their total 'Green' spending. I'm pretty certain that shuttering a specific program was not them abandoning green tech like how TechCrunch led in the headline.

Also, what these two RE<C engineers said was that a fully-renewable energy civilization wasn't possible. I could have told you that was likely, without having done the math myself. That's why I prefer fission plants of some sort for energy generation baseline, and solar/wind/anaerobic where possible. 

I also wonder if they looked into tidal harnesses, the fact our electrical grid has a shitton of losses, and that energy efficiency is rising as well. Probably, I hope. 

Perhaps, but there is also the massive cost in electrifying everything.

"Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear."

 

The costs of electrification would be incredible regardless of whether that electricity is from renewable energy or fission.

[Summercat]

Just now, WileyWarWeasel said:

The costs of electrification would be incredible regardless of whether that electricity is from renewable energy or fission.

Initial costs of infrastructure are always fairly high, yes. We're also overdue for overhauling our electrical grid. 

[DevilBear]

I dont believe in this junk science. I've never seen a glacier melt. I've never seen this so called desertifcation. Who's to say the liberal media isn't making up this whole 'climate change' thing anyhow? They just want us eating patchouli and wearing clothes made from marihana like a bunch of sissyboys.

[Gamedog]

32 minutes ago, DevilBear said:

I've never seen a glacier melt.