Why the double standard regarding gay people?

[VGmaster9]

When I was leaving work, I heard a conversation between two guys, one of them having a baby son on the way (at least that's what I think). The other guy asked if the kid would come out being gay, so his answer was like "I'd be disappointed, but it wouldn't be a problem, I'd rather have a gay daughter".

So it's okay for a daughter to be gay, but not a son? Why do men have a problem with other men being gay, but for women it's completely fine? Is it because they think it's hot? People are so hypocritical when it comes to gays.

[Ricky]

duh, because every dude bro knows that lesbians are hot :v

[Gator]

female homosexuality is more common, blah blah blah biology, blah blah blah more socially acceptable in general. 

there's also that thing where women have much less restrictive gender roles/stereotypes to adhere to today than men. 

[Wax]

6 minutes ago, Gator said:

female homosexuality is more common, blah blah blah biology, blah blah blah more socially acceptable in general. 

there's also that thing where women have much less restrictive gender roles/stereotypes to adhere to today than men. 

Pretty much this. It's not part of male-on-male interaction to be so open and embracing of sexuality.

 

Yet another reason we must smash the patriarchy! :v

[Feelwell]

1 minute ago, Wax said:

Pretty much this. It's not part of male-on-male interaction to be so open and embracing of sexuality.

 

Yet another reason we must smash the patriarchy! :v

Let's just get rid of the human race and replace them all with furries.

So much more accepting.

Generally.

[Vae]

I feel like it has something to do with guys feeling more threatened by gay males (penetration and whatnot) than females tend to have towards lesbians.

Doesn't justify it,
but I suspect that's where the double standard comes from.

[Vallium]

3 hours ago, Wax said:

Yet another reason we must smash the patriarchy! :v

Im sad that is a sentence that can be said unironically

Because seriously, fuck the patriarchy

(Am I tumblr feminazi yet?)

3 hours ago, Feelwell the Rabbit said:

Let's just get rid of the human race and replace them all with furries.

So much more accepting.

Generally.

I cannot see a single bad problem that will come of this.

Not one.

Not at all.

[Zeke]

Emasculation, for starters. 

[Endless/Nameless]

1 hour ago, Vae said:

guys feeling more threatened by gay males 

15 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Emasculation, for starters. 

p much.

[DevilishlyHandsome49]

I'd just like to point out there's another double standard linked to that. If a lesbian couple isn't "hot" its gross or weird. 

Our society is full of hypocrisy and double standards. Humanity has a long way to go until it's intelligent enough to get past this

[Toshabi]

42 minutes ago, Zeke said:

Emasculation, for starters. 

I should show them all my bara porn. It makes the typical straight guy look like a tullip picking pansy.

[#00Buck]

2 hours ago, VGmaster9 said:

When I was leaving work, I heard a conversation between two guys, one of them having a baby son on the way (at least that's what I think). The other guy asked if the kid would come out being gay, so his answer was like "I'd be disappointed, but it wouldn't be a problem, I'd rather have a gay daughter".

So it's okay for a daughter to be gay, but not a son? Why do men have a problem with other men being gay, but for women it's completely fine? Is it because they think it's hot? People are so hypocritical when it comes to gays.

He was standing right there.

Just ask him. 

[Feelwell]

24 minutes ago, DevilishlyHandsome49 said:

I'd just like to point out there's another double standard linked to that. If a lesbian couple isn't "hot" its gross or weird. 

Our society is full of hypocrisy and double standards. Humanity has a long way to go until it's intelligent enough to get past this

Let's be honest it probably won't reach that point. Either it'll end or it'll become incredibly advanced and still be hypocrites and fools.

[AshleyAshes]

Yes, of course.  Girls kissing is hot but if your SON is gay then that means he'll taking it in the ass like some kind of BITCH.  I mean Jesus, he might as well start bleeding once a month at that rate!

 

...In all seriousness, you're only noticing the inherent sexist slant against males being homosexual just now?  Have you been in a box for the rest of your life prior?

[Vallium]

56 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Yes, of course.  Girls kissing is hot but if your SON is gay then that means he'll taking it in the ass like some kind of BITCH.  I mean Jesus, he might as well start bleeding once a month at that rate!

 

...In all seriousness, you're only noticing the inherent sexist slant against males being homosexual just now?  Have you been in a box for the rest of your life prior?

To be fair, Maybe its because that kind of ignorance is something you just assume is dead and OP was just reminded that it still exists witnessing someone speak of it?

 

I mean, when you exist in cultures such as ours or close family and friend circles who are more tolerant and accepting of LGBT related things you tend to forget that a lot of people out there are still very bigoted, biased, and ignorant

 

(I dont, because quite frankly I assume anyone around me may be inherently homophobic but I can see how some might be caught off guard if this just becomes a norm in their mind to be that way)

 

I mean racism still exists and we had a war over it. You'd think 2015 would make things any different

[DevilBear]

I hope I have either a daughter or a gay son. If I have a gay son, I will teach him to be a real man. Strong. Self sufficient. Kind. Respectful. Like every man should be.

And when he brings home his boyfriends? Oooooh fuck. Let the mindfuckery begin. That's what I look forward to the most.

Besides that, no risk of being a surprise grandparent.

[Butters]

Machismo.   

[Toshabi]

7 hours ago, #00Buck said:

He was standing right there.

Just ask him. 

When it comes to speaking their mind, most internet goers prefer to do it only when the only thing standing between them and their rant target is a monitor and keyboard. Plus you can paint the gosh darn coolest and extreme of scenarios.

[DrDingo]

"Gee son, I'm really looking forward to you carrying on the family name and passing down your DNA"

I've heard something to this effect before. I think most guys have.

If you're a gay guy, you can't make a baby with another gay guy

If you're a gay gal, you can at least get sperm donated and you will, much like a straight girl, pass on 50% of your parent's DNA to the new generation.

[Wax]

48 minutes ago, DrDingo said:

"Gee son, I'm really looking forward to you carrying on the family name and passing down your DNA"

I've heard something to this effect before. I think most guys have.

If you're a gay guy, you can't make a baby with another gay guy

If you're a gay gal, you can at least get sperm donated and you will, much like a straight girl, pass on 50% of your parent's DNA to the new generation.

Gay couples can use surrogacy, though

[Vallium]

3 hours ago, DrDingo said:

"Gee son, I'm really looking forward to you carrying on the family name and passing down your DNA"

I've heard something to this effect before. I think most guys have.

If you're a gay guy, you can't make a baby with another gay guy

If you're a gay gal, you can at least get sperm donated and you will, much like a straight girl, pass on 50% of your parent's DNA to the new generation.

Again, also a product of THUH PATRIARCHY©®

Because females cant pass on the family name even when they have children  so its no shame when the line stops there, because its expected. In fact heck it may even be preferable to have lizzbins daughters cuz ya'll cant take on the last name of rival male famblies, golly

Whereas, if someone has a male son and they have children its expected that they mate with a female, have children that is biologically theirs and pass down the last name lineage, and genes hopefully.

 

Funny how a patriarchical society relies so much on the male side to carry on a family legacy, as if people dont keep populating because of females, either.  

Seriously, I really dont get people's need to pass down generations and expect their kids to carry some legacy, but then again maybe thats asking too much since its a given product of biology and kind of understandable in that sense

[Enigma]

My guess would be the old tradition of passing down the family name?

That, or they portray gay men as feminine. Some people can't let go of gender stereotypes 

[Ricky]

14 hours ago, Gator said:

female homosexuality is more common

No it isn't. It is just more socially acceptable, but from a biological standpoint it is LESS common.

 

[Red Lion]

 

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 researchers found that men were more likely than women to report being “100 percent heterosexual” or “100 percent homosexual” continually throughout their lives. Women, on the other hand, were three times more likely than men to report a shift in their sexual orientation over time, and more likely to self-identify as bisexual.

 Homosexual behavior might be more common in women because they are more likely to be fluid in their sexuality but in actuality women are more likely to be bi than they are outright gay. Unlike men who are more likely to be hard straight or hard gay. I think this is part of why it's more tolerated' because people sort of take for granted that women's sexuality is not as hardwired as a man's, as long as there's a chance that at some point she'll have a child or hook up with a guy people tend not to care as much about women. I think that's really the crux of it, historically women didn't matter as much as men so no one really cared. Not to mention lesbian porn is typically something made for the pleasure of a male audience so you have people growing up desensitized to the idea. 

[Vallium]

18 minutes ago, Red Lion said:

 

 Homosexual behavior might be more common in women because they are more likely to be fluid in their sexuality but in actuality women are more likely to be bi than they are outright gay. Unlike men who are more likely to be hard straight or hard gay. I think this is part of why it's more tolerated' because people sort of take for granted that women's sexuality is not as hardwired as a man's, as long as there's a chance that at some point she'll have a child or hook up with a guy people tend not to care as much about women. I think that's really the crux of it, historically women didn't matter as much as men so no one really cared. Not to mention lesbian porn is typically something made for the pleasure of a male audience so you have people growing up desensitized to the idea. 

You guys are saying "x is more common to be y than z" but...you guys are just SAYING that

I know this forum NEVER produces sources for their argument, and for anecdotal or personal conflicts I understand,  but if you people are going to make statistical claims some backup sources would be nice

 

Really I hadnt noticed any significant difference, plenty of men are bi as well

 

Edit: fuck I missed the quote box thank you, the other guy didnt have one so I assume his is less valid

[Butters]

Are we counting men who fuck other men and go "totally not gay, bro right?" as straight? ;3

That might occur for this idea that most women are bi.  Most ppl are bi really. But men are heavily conditioned to be homophobic in pretty much all societies. The west is fixing that, although they are a big reason it exists in the first place. 

[Vallium]

Just now, Butters said:

Are we counting men who fuck other men and go "totally not gay, bro right?" as straight? ;3

That might occur for this idea that most women are bi.  Most ppl are bi really. But men are heavily conditioned to be homophobic in pretty much all societies. The west is fixing that, although they are a big reason it exists in the first place. 

Bro...only if the balls touch, bro. No homo, bro.

[Ricky]

13 minutes ago, WolfNightV4X1 said:

You guys are saying "x is more common to be y than z" but...you guys are just SAYING that

I know this forum NEVER produces sources for their argument, and for anecdotal or personal conflicts I understand,  but if you people are going to make statistical claims some backup sources would be nice

Well, since you asked in such a fuck-awful condescending way, here you go:

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In his book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity, Bruce Bagemihl of the University of Wisconsin states that homosexual behavior has been well-documented in more than five hundred species and is likely to be present in many more. This includes both male and female homosexual behavior, although the former has been more widely observed.

I always have some kind of source to back me up. I'm not just pulling this stuff out my tail hole :V

[#00Buck]

I think expressing a preference isn't a bad thing it is just a preference.

I've had some close gay friends by my closest friends were dykes. 

I just had more in common with them. There's nothing wrong with that. 

[Wax]

I'm gay #nohetero

[#00Buck]

4 minutes ago, Wax said:

I'm gay #nohetero

I'm straight and I'm heterophobic. 

[Vallium]

47 minutes ago, Ricky said:

Well, since you asked in such a fuck-awful condescending way, here you go:

I always have some kind of source to back me up. I'm not just pulling this stuff out my tail hole :V

Just fyi that wasnt condescending to you, per se, youre not the only one that didnt pull a source.( You were only 'the other guy' because I forgot who exactly it was among a few people making statistical claims on which sexuality is more common...and I made a quick edit rather than scrolling up)

 

...and quite frankly Im used to furries pulling things from their tailhole

7 minutes ago, #00Buck said:

I'm straight and I'm heterophobic. 

Are you straight eversleep?

[Gator]

6 hours ago, Ricky said:

Well, since you asked in such a fuck-awful condescending way, here you go:

I always have some kind of source to back me up. I'm not just pulling this stuff out my tail hole :V

  i dunno what the rest of the source says/is all about, but i think "observable animal behavior" is a different matter from human sexual attraction.  that's what i was referring to, anyway, in which case i have really only ever heard the opposite.

[Ricky]

46 minutes ago, Gator said:

  i dunno what the rest of the source says/is all about, but i think "observable animal behavior" is a different matter from human sexual attraction.  that's what i was referring to, anyway, in which case i have really only ever heard the opposite.

As a suggestion then, why not look it up? I agree with the person above who said lack of credible sources is a problem, which I think is in part, propagated when some wild assertion is made by someone based on "what they think" without doing any research to back it up. This is a rather tall order for someone to have to do the research FOR them.

I didn't have anything that was very relevant in my Drive but I found this in a five-minute search on Pubmed:

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Feelings of attraction “only to the opposite sex” were more common for men (92.1%) compared with women (81.0%) aged 18–44. Among those aged 18–44, 92.3% of women and 95.1% of men said they were “heterosexual or straight”; 1.3% of women and 1.9% of men said they were “homosexual, gay, or lesbian”; 5.5% of women and 2.0% of men said they were bisexual; and 0.9% of women and 1.0% of men said “don’t know” or “refused” (i.e., “did not report”) on sexual orientation.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs//data/nhsr/nhsr088.pdf

Keep in mind there is a harsher social stigma for men, more homophobia among men, and so these are probably an underestimation of the actual figures.

[Toshabi]

Penguin sex.

[Gator]

51 minutes ago, Ricky said:

As a suggestion then, why not look it up? I agree with the person above who said lack of credible sources is a problem, which I think is in part, propagated when some wild assertion is made by someone based on "what they think" without doing any research to back it up. This is a rather tall order for someone to have to do the research FOR them.

I didn't have anything that was very relevant in my Drive but I found this in a five-minute search on Pubmed:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs//data/nhsr/nhsr088.pdf

Keep in mind there is a harsher social stigma for men, more homophobia among men, and so these are probably an underestimation of the actual figures.

neat.

i'll look it up more later when i actually have time to do so.

though those numbers vary quite a bit; what actually shows up would depend on the social environment. 

[Ricky]

2 minutes ago, Gator said:

though those numbers vary quite a bit; what actually shows up would depend on the social environment. 

That's what I said x3

Since there's more of a stigma associated with males liking males you are going to see a higher percentage that associates with one extreme or the other. There are more men who are "gay" since... well, since there are more men that are "gay" even though there is an obvious group experiencing latent (and repressed) homosexuallity and probably those who aren't but don't want to admit it. Im guessing that's where those few extra percentage points probably came from in the male chauvinist cis-group. The all-fabulous group is just too gay to associate with anything heterosexual and you'd probably find a reasonable amount who are really bisexual, for the same socially conditioned reason, but it's the gay subculture here that's to blame.

So when you get down to it, those numbers seem pretty biased toward mutual exclusivity, and also toward mitigating the actual amount of homosexual or bisexual males, either through choice of what to disclose or some psychological factor beyond their control.

So, my first response which is (sarcastically) saying that lesbians are hotter, is the one I'll be sticking with. It's also the one in concordance with a large cross section of animal species.

[LazerMaster5]

It's only gay if the balls touch.

Women don't have balls.

Coincidence?

[Ricky]

18 minutes ago, LazerMaster5 said:

It's only gay if the balls touch.

Women don't have balls.

Coincidence?

You describe the heterosexual male group pretty accurately :V

It's not gay if balls don't touch.

It's not gay if it happens in prison.

It's not gay if you're on top.

It's not gay if you're on ecstasy at a rave (which happens quite frequently).

[insert lame excuse to be socially unacceptable]

[Lucyfish]

It's probably because men have ruled the world for thousands of years and often see women as objects to be used for sex, not actual people.

Two girls touching each other just means more pussy to use.

[PastryOfApathy]

On 6/16/2016 at 7:32 PM, VGmaster9 said:

When I was leaving work, I heard a conversation between two guys, one of them having a baby son on the way (at least that's what I think). The other guy asked if the kid would come out being gay, so his answer was like "I'd be disappointed, but it wouldn't be a problem, I'd rather have a gay daughter".

So it's okay for a daughter to be gay, but not a son? Why do men have a problem with other men being gay, but for women it's completely fine? Is it because they think it's hot? People are so hypocritical when it comes to gays.

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay man".

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay woman".

Connect the dots.

[#00Buck]

4 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay man".

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay woman".

Connect the dots.

Thank God I'm an average Canadian male. 

[root]

7 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay woman".

I thought they envisioned them more like this.

[PastryOfApathy]

1 minute ago, #00Buck said:

Thank God I'm an average Canadian male. 

I'm so sorry.

[#00Buck]

1 minute ago, PastryOfApathy said:

I'm so sorry.

No I'm the Canadian.

I'm sorry eh. 

[Hux]

11 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay man".

Here's what the first thing your average American male envisions when they hear the words "gay woman".

Connect the dots.

When I think of gay men I think of Alan Turing. When I think of  lesbians I think of Valerie Salonas. Does this make me above or below average? Then again I'm bi so I couldn't be the average then, could I?

[PastryOfApathy]

20 minutes ago, Hux said:

When I think of gay men I think of Alan Turing. When I think of  lesbians I think of Valerie Salonas. Does this make me above or below average? Then again I'm bi so I couldn't be the average then, could I?

You're on a furry forum. You're subhuman by default.

[Falaffel]

3 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said:

You're on a furry forum. You're subhuman by default.

Scientifically accurate. 

[Ikrit]

well, everybody loves a lesbian.

[Spot]

38 minutes ago, Ikrit said:

well, everybody loves a lesbian.

Haha, I remember seeing this at my last furcon, funny stuff. My friend is a lezzy and is such a man.