Transgender People

[Caledonian]

Sorry if this insults anyone but I think genders as a whole are frankly bull droppings. 

As for trans people, they are, like, totally just people. Some are assholes, some are nice. That's how people work.

[shiy0]

Hence why I get pissed when people try to discredit or mock trans people by bringing up therians or otherkin.

 

you wanna tell me that there are people out there who discredit or mock transgenders with that? how does somebody even...*sigh* thats some own kind of stupidness i guess. comparing some very real and important thing for many with a very stupid and delusional thing for... well... teenage girls mostly? atleast from what i know it is like that but to be honest, i dont want to know more 'bout that either so please spare me with details. was already enough when i heard the first time from it and that there is a "pack" of those guys somewhere in a forest in germany thinking they're wolfs...

Edited October 23, 2015 by shiy0

[Troj]

Oh, absolutely.

I've been in MANY discussions where the main argument was "I've heard of 12-year-olds on Tumblr who think they're dragons, therefore LOL TRANNIES ARE CRAZY AND GROSS LOL."

I'm not even kidding.

Recently, I've noticed people will chuck Rachel Dolzeal in for good measure.

I remember once discussion where I actually produced the research on the biological underpinnings of body and gender dysphoria, and the inbred asstards didn't even wait ten seconds before launching back into "lol some people think they're wolves and trans women might have dicks eww and also Buffalo Bill lol."

But, that's what I get for trying to teach pigs to sing, I guess.

Edited October 23, 2015 by Troj

[Eggdodger]

Oh, absolutely.

I've been in MANY discussions where the main argument was "I've heard of 12-year-olds on Tumblr who think they're dragons, therefore LOL TRANNIES ARE CRAZY AND GROSS LOL."

I'm not even kidding.

Recently, I've noticed people will chuck Rachel Dolzeal in for good measure.

I remember once discussion where I actually produced the research on the biological underpinnings of body and gender dysphoria, and the inbred asstards didn't even wait ten seconds before launching back into "lol some people think they're wolves and trans women might have dicks eww and also Buffalo Bill lol."

But, that's what I get for trying to teach pigs to sing, I guess.

Your posts always make me smile while being very informative.

It took me a minute to get the Silence of the Lambs reference. For some reason, I thought you were talking about the historical figure.

Anyways, with all the trans people I've talked to lately, I've noticed a pattern... A lot of them choose to present themselves as their biological sex out in public. A little disheartening, but I don't blame them. Progress is going to be slow.

[AshleyAshes]

Anyways, with all the trans people I've talked to lately, I've noticed a pattern... A lot of them choose to present themselves as their biological sex out in public. A little disheartening, but I don't blame them. Progress is going to be slow.

Well, if most of the trans people you are meeting are via online communities, then yeah, you'd find a lot of closet cases who are only identifying as trans from the safety of the internet.

[Troj]

Your posts always make me smile while being very informative.

It took me a minute to get the Silence of the Lambs reference. For some reason, I thought you were talking about the historical figure.

Anyways, with all the trans people I've talked to lately, I've noticed a pattern... A lot of them choose to present themselves as their biological sex out in public. A little disheartening, but I don't blame them. Progress is going to be slow.

QUID PRO QUO, CLARICE.

Thank you for the compliment :).

Sadly, I know a number people who can't be "out" or present the way they'd like, because there'd be immediate negative repercussions where they live.

[Fantasma]

It's also breaking a habit.

 

There really is no point to presenting until I figure alot of things out, grow my hair, and get on estrogen.

[AshleyAshes]

So basically...

[Lomberdia]

I think everyone is gender fluid and we all should join in a big yiff fest to share our gender fluid spooge and love with each other all while we pretend we actually care about each other outside our giant stanky ball of musk yiff.

[Ginpanther]

I think everyone is gender fluid and we all should join in a big yiff fest to share our gender fluid spooge and love with each other all while we pretend we actually care about each other outside our giant stanky ball of musk yiff.

I think this was the central plot point to Furry Force 3.

[Bloodshot_Eyes]

So basically...

 

On the internet, nobody knows you're a highly sophisticated, non-local, sentient AI built into the internet itself. 

[littlerock]

I am a transperson magnet. So many people who I consider friends and comrades have inadvertently turned out to be transgendered, or at least genderqueer. And I think that's pretty goddamn cool. Ynz are awesome.

[Onnes]

I am a transperson magnet. So many people who I consider friends and comrades have inadvertently turned out to be transgendered, or at least genderqueer. And I think that's pretty goddamn cool. Ynz are awesome.

I think this is a fairly general phenomenon in this fandom. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people here self-identifying as either transgender or nonbinary was at least 10%.

[Brass]

I hate tumblr tard gendersquare sparklekin trains people. They are the fucking worst. My old room mate was a lot like this. They had an awful victim complex and brought out the worst in pretty much anyone. I ended up paying my side of the rent one month and just leaving. Gender has become a fucking trend and it isn't my responsibility to learn or memorize pronouns. Nor know the current gender of the month. Seriously what the fuck is gender fluid? It sounds like a sex jelly.

[littlerock]

I think this is a fairly general phenomenon in this fandom. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people here self-identifying as either transgender or nonbinary was at least 10%.

This trend persists into my real-life interactions too, roughly a quarter of those people that are closest to me, or at least that I'd consider friends, have come out as transgendered or genderqueer. Of my friends that I interact with often on the internet, or have a history with, this jumps up to around half, and I'm only counting people who came out publicly after making repeated platonic contact with me :u

Makes getting along in life easier though, having folks to share encouragement and positive attitude regarding self-care and acceptance with.

Edited October 31, 2015 by littlerock

[Eggdodger]

This trend persists into my real-life interactions too, roughly a quarter of those people that are closest to me, or at least that I'd consider friends, have come out as transgendered or genderqueer. Of my friends that I interact with often on the internet, or have a history with, this jumps up to around half, and I'm only counting people who came out publicly after making repeated platonic contact with me :u

Makes getting along in life easier though, having folks to share encouragement and positive attitude regarding self-care and acceptance with.

Wish I had your friends =v It'd be nice to have some irl transpeople to hang with.

[AshleyAshes]

So, er, other than myself, how many other trans people on this forum are transitioned and just doing the 'mundane job and every day life' thing now?  Cause, it sorta seems like everyone else is either a closet case or in transition.

[Clove Darkwave]

You say that like "mundane job and every day life" is somehow exclusive.

[Kellie Gator]

So, er, other than myself, how many other trans people on this forum are transitioned and just doing the 'mundane job and every day life' thing now?  Cause, it sorta seems like everyone else is either a closet case or in transition.

Define "are transitioned".

I don't have a job, though, but I'm looking into internships and hope I can get some employment outta that.

[AshleyAshes]

You say that like "mundane job and every day life" is somehow exclusive.

You got me there, I guess any job, so fire fighter and crop duster aren't excluded.

Define "are transitioned".

I don't have a job, though, but I'm looking into internships and hope I can get some employment outta that.

I guess I mean 'post transsition', as in they're just back to going to school, or going to work, or otherwise having transitioned and are back at interacting with society in their new gender role while all the 'mundane' stuff in school takes the spot light over transition.  People who are now beyond 'I'm going to be a girl, I'm trans, I'm transitioning, these pills kill the evil T-Poison!' and so on.

[Kellie Gator]

You got me there, I guess any job, so fire fighter and crop duster aren't excluded.

I guess I mean 'post transsition', as in they're just back to going to school, or going to work, or otherwise having transitioned and are back at interacting with society in their new gender role while all the 'mundane' stuff in school takes the spot light over transition.  People who are now beyond 'I'm going to be a girl, I'm trans, I'm transitioning, these pills kill the evil T-Poison!' and so on.

That's a bit of a confusing definition.

I've been living as a woman and interacting with society as a woman for about two years now after a few years of being too scared to be openly woman before that. I never stopped going to school, though. I didn't know some people can't work while transitioning, maybe that's an American thing?

Right now I'm waiting for approval to change my legal sex and get surgery, so in that sense I'm almost done. But I'm still on treatments like IPL for my face.

[AshleyAshes]

That's a bit of a confusing definition.

I've been living as a woman and interacting with society as a woman for about two years now after a few years of being too scared to be openly woman before that. I never stopped going to school, though. I didn't know some people can't work while transitioning, maybe that's an American thing?

Right now I'm waiting for approval to change my legal sex and get surgery, so in that sense I'm almost done. But I'm still on treatments like IPL for my face.

Then I'd say that's post transition.  I guess there's no term for it.  I mean, the pitch is normally, one will transition, there will be this awkward usually painfully educational stage as one is transition, then one is transitioned, this doesn't depend on completing any 'shopping list' of procedures, but it means one has re-integrated into society in their new gender role and has 'moved on'.  Most here seem, well, stuck.  Identifying as trans but really only being 'a girl on the internet' while a closet case in real life.  Or on HRT but otherwise hiding everything.  Or wanting HRT but avoiding actually moving forward for reasons like that.  Transsition is generally, ehn, this muddy 1-2 year stage of getting the into the new gender role, getting some stuff done, figuring the 'jist' of things out, and moving on.  But the majority here seem to be no farther than that.

[Kellie Gator]

Then I'd say that's post transition.  I guess there's no term for it.  I mean, the pitch is normally, one will transition, there will be this awkward usually painfully educational stage as one is transition, then one is transitioned, this doesn't depend on completing any 'shopping list' of procedures, but it means one has re-integrated into society in their new gender role and has 'moved on'.  Most here seem, well, stuck.  Identifying as trans but really only being 'a girl on the internet' while a closet case in real life.  Or on HRT but otherwise hiding everything.  Or wanting HRT but avoiding actually moving forward for reasons like that.  Transsition is generally, ehn, this muddy 1-2 year stage of getting the into the new gender role, getting some stuff done, figuring the 'jist' of things out, and moving on.  But the majority here seem to be no farther than that.

I see. Probably depends a lot on what country they're from or what kind of environments they grew up in.

To be honest I still interact with my parents and relatives on my mom's side of the family as a guy. Mom's side of the family are Jehovah's Witnesses and only my mom, dad and siblings know as far as relatives go (people outside of family and relative know me as a woman, though). I don't wanna make a scene or cause drama like that one time I tried to dress womanly and mom got all dramatic and said she had to go for a ride in her car or some dumb shit like that. >w<

EDIT:

Oh yeah, I haven't had a legal name change yet. Money's been a problem there.

Edited November 6, 2015 by Kellie Gator

[Fantasma]

It's scary in a good way, but in a few months I'm starting HRT.

I have no healthcare yet, or else I would now.

[PheagleAdler]

eyyy, you could PM me. There's not nearly enough ftms around this site so I'd be cool to hear how you feel on that

 

OT: One of the worst arguments I have ever heard was "Can a cat become a dog?" Comparing transgendered people as a concept. I just...what? Do you seriously have no clue how life works? You're comparing two different species versus comparing a single species with two different sexes. I mean, come on...you cant be that dumb? I get that the way they see it down on a chromosomal level a person will always be their birth sex but really its way more than that. In the end all humans can naturally have male/female traits, sometimes with help and manipulation. But ultimately its nowhere near changing species...just...ugh...how the heck can people be so ignorant?

 

 

People do this with gay marriage too. "Two men are getting married? What's next? Someone marrying their dog?"

It's like...um, no. That's an entirely different thing, you're just grasping at straws to find reasons to oppose gay marriage, really stupid reasons.

[Tsuujou]

People do this with gay marriage too. "Two men are getting married? What's next? Someone marrying their dog?"

The stupidest fucking shit. I knew people who would say garbage like this. And of course "aDm n Eve. nut adAm n STEEV!!" Oh man, you can rhyme! Better start making a mixtape, cuh.

[Vae]

The stupidest fucking shit. I knew people who would say garbage like this. And of course "aDm n Eve. nut adAm n STEEV!!" Oh man, you can rhyme! Better start making a mixtape, cuh.

Any argument comparing homosexuality to the Bible's version of the creation of humanity is fucking stupid, anyway.
Do you know how much incest had to go on to start something like a species between only two original people? Is that the model we're trying to strive for, here?
Although most of the people who spout off this dogshit are probably inbred anyway, so I guess that argument wouldn't hold any weight to them.

[willow]

I guess I started questioning when I was in middle school and for a time I was genderfluid because I thought it would be easier if I, I dunno, tried to satisfy both the feminine side I was supposed to have and the masculine side I wanted to have, well that didn't cut it and so I decided to try being agender for a time in high school because I thought that not caring would work.

that only lasted for a short period of time so now I'm just simply FtM and I guess that's what I should have been all along

the transition has been alright I suppose. I really want to start hormones in the near future and also have top surgery

[Fantasma]

I guess I started questioning when I was in middle school and for a time I was genderfluid because I thought it would be easier if I, I dunno, tried to satisfy both the feminine side I was supposed to have and the masculine side I wanted to have, well that didn't cut it and so I decided to try being agender for a time in high school because I thought that not caring would work.

that only lasted for a short period of time so now I'm just simply FtM and I guess that's what I should have been all along

the transition has been alright I suppose. I really want to start hormones in the near future and also have top surgery

I'm glad you found things out man, it is nice to be yourself.

[willow]

I'm glad you found things out man, it is nice to be yourself.

yep! part of me wishes I'd come to this conclusion sooner but oh well

[Eggdodger]

Let me give what I believe to be a fair warning to those thinking of switching genders.

Please watch your attitude.

In my nearly two years in the porno industry, the only people I've had problems with besides mundanes with serious criminal tendencies has been those in the Trans community.

With my limited medical experience, I can't say if it's hormone therapy or something else like inherent attitude, but y'all need to chill the fuck out.

I've had a trans partner (I've also been lucky enough to have a natural herm partner.) I've got plenty of trans friends. The *ONLY* thing I notice that really sets you apart is an attitude that seems beyond hormonal according to my experience.

Take my experience to heart: In my old arcades (you put in money, you get to watch porno and jack off) we never had a problem with regular guys or girls going in to try to turn tricks on the sly. You get more than one trans-sexual person in the same area with the same agenda, and it's as if all common sense for the establishment goes right the fuck out the door.

 

EDIT: I've actually had to go into the arcade with a 10 foot bullwhip, crack it, and scream "No, bitches, these are *MY* booths, and you obey *MY* rules!" at a couple of trans people. I've never had this problem with regular people, both male and female in the same arcade at the same time. This is but ONE of many baseline experiences I've had and reference.

 

The best I can compare this to is hummingbirds. It's seriously that much of a territorial pissing match to those of that orientation/switch when they come into my former business, even if they act totally different in comparison to the bars I tend to know them from. And what's sad is most aren't even trying to make money, they're after notches on their belts (because they come right to me bragging about it afterwards, what else am I supposed to think?) And it's pretty much dead equal between FtM and MtF by my statistics (which are fairly small so make sure that additional salt grain dosage is healthy!)

Please, those of you undergoing therapy to make a transition, try to keep your mentality in the forefront of your thoughts. You were born with one type of body/nervous system. Upsetting that delicate balance is your choice and I fully support it (I do plenty of chemical modification of my own so I am not one in a position to judge by any means,) but do be conscious of your current and past self while you are doing such. Constant comparisons to the past helps to serve as a good baseline measure for your progression. Just don't go falling over to either extreme, okay? I see it too often. It's disappointing.

Did you have to use the word "regular" to refer to cisgender people?

I think that most of us here have been pretty civil in this thread. Your experiences are anecdotal, and don't speak of the entire population. Your experiences speak of transgender people in your community-- and not even the entire transgender population in your community, just those that go to "arcades". You can't establish cause and effect of "transgender = bad attitude" based on those observations-- very few well-organized studies can even establish cause and effect because of the nature of statistics.

What confuses me is, if you already knew you didn't have much evidence to support this spiel:

And it's pretty much dead equal between FtM and MtF by my statistics (which are fairly small so make sure that additional salt grain dosage is healthy!)

Why would you come here to tell us to cool our fiery tempers? You already know yourself that your experience with transgender people is very limited to almost entirely those in the porn industry, and it's especially limited with you not being one, yourself. Honestly, the generalization of transgender people as a whole from you is plain offensive.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Eggdodger

[Phausk]

Some questions for you trans folk. The thought of body modification through chemicals and surgery makes me squirm. I was wondering how y'all felt about it. Isn't it scary? Does it feel completely natural to you when the transition is complete? Is there ever a sense of regret?

[Eggdodger]

Some questions for you trans folk. The thought of body modification through chemicals and surgery makes me squirm. I was wondering how y'all felt about it. Isn't it scary? Does it feel completely natural to you when the transition is complete? Is there ever a sense of regret?

I'm okay with the prospect. Everything I will lose as a result of the transition isn't something I wanted, anyways.

As for regret. I'll never regret staying true to myself. People have been trying to talk me out of it and trying to make me "consider it more", but I've had plenty of time to consider it. I know exactly what I want.

[Kaizy]

yep! part of me wishes I'd come to this conclusion sooner but oh well

I know how you feel. I really wish I had figured myself out when I was in middle school and I had all those questions floating in my head and felt uncomfortable with myself 24/7.

But better late than never I guess.

Some questions for you trans folk. The thought of body modification through chemicals and surgery makes me squirm. I was wondering how y'all felt about it. Isn't it scary? Does it feel completely natural to you when the transition is complete? Is there ever a sense of regret?

It scares me, as body modification and especially surgery, are both phobias of mine. I'm kind of thinking I might pass on doing surgery because I don't think I could mentally handle a legitimate surgery of any kind.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Kaizy

[willow]

Some questions for you trans folk. The thought of body modification through chemicals and surgery makes me squirm. I was wondering how y'all felt about it. Isn't it scary? Does it feel completely natural to you when the transition is complete? Is there ever a sense of regret?

I really want to start hormones soon, but the health concerns that come along with it are one of my biggest concerns. Also I hate needles and that's one of the most common ways of taking testosterone (the other is a cream but idk how I feel about it). But when it comes to surgery, I have never liked my chest and want nothing more than to have that surgery at least. The only other worry I have is the money. Shit's expensive

I know how you feel. I really wish I had figured myself out when I was in middle school and I had all those questions floating in my head and felt uncomfortable with myself 24/7.

But better late than never I guess.

That's true. It's kind of a blessing in disguise I guess only because I came out as an adult so my parents can't exactly tell me otherwise (not that they do though)

[Brass]

is it rude to ask a trains person how far along they are if they're hitting on you or you're interested in them

[Eggdodger]

I really want to start hormones soon, but the health concerns that come along with it are one of my biggest concerns. Also I hate needles and that's one of the most common ways of taking testosterone (the other is a cream but idk how I feel about it). But when it comes to surgery, I have never liked my chest and want nothing more than to have that surgery at least. The only other worry I have is the money. Shit's expensive

That's true. It's kind of a blessing in disguise I guess only because I came out as an adult so my parents can't exactly tell me otherwise (not that they do though)

The main thing you want to worry about with the cream is that it's not consistent since you're applying it externally. Also, you don't want anyone touching your skin where you apply the cream. I've been told that with injections you get used to the pain fairly quickly, but I suppose you would have to get used to sticking yourself.

Of course, you've probably done the research already so there wasn't a need for me to say all of that. o.o; I'm going to go with injections, I think.

is it rude to ask a trains person how far along they are if they're hitting on you or you're interested in them

To me, that's the equivalent of asking cup/dick size, so I guess the same application of tact would apply. I mean to say it would depend on the person? Some people would have no issue telling you.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Eggdodger

[Kaizy]

is it rude to ask a trains person how far along they are if they're hitting on you or you're interested in them

It depends really. Like if they bring up that they're trans, you can take an interest and ask something like "Oh cool, so how's that been going? Have you started hormones?" ect.

I think it's how you word it that's important. Asking how hormones have been for them is usually a good way of finding out though.

[Ratmomma]

Sometimes I read posts in this thread and just think

"Damn, I just don't mind what gender you identify as or what junk you're packin' between your legs...I'd bang you ALL, I DON'T EVEN CAAAAAARE"

+50 bisexual points

/retreats to boyfriend of ultimate sexiness laying all over my couch/

 

[Eggdodger]

It depends really. Like if they bring up that they're trans, you can take an interest and ask something like "Oh cool, so how's that been going? Have you started hormones?" ect.

I think it's how you word it that's important. Asking how hormones have been for them is usually a good way of finding out though.

Brass, you also have to remember that different people will tell you different things. Some will get into the nitty gritty of their progress, and others will just give you a vague answer like "They're going well!"

With the latter group, it's usually unwise to pressure them for more information. They're giving you exactly as much information as they want you to know.

[Dijon]

 

Did you have to use the word "regular" to refer to cisgender people?

Well I am regular

I poop every day

sometimes even twice!

[Clove Darkwave]

Some questions for you trans folk. The thought of body modification through chemicals and surgery makes me squirm. I was wondering how y'all felt about it. Isn't it scary? Does it feel completely natural to you when the transition is complete? Is there ever a sense of regret?

Of course it's terrifying, you should see the long list of potential side-effects of the meds you take. Some of which are life-threatening. It's what put me off it initially and even being on them I still feel dubious and paranoid. No way to know if you have Hyperkalemia (too much Potassium in blood stream) outside of blood tests. Or if you have sudden cardiac death. Fun.

Surgery seems like no big deal, I've had worse.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Clove Darkwave

[Käpt'n]

I fully support trans people and it fascinates me that modern medicine can actually help people to be who they want to be!

[Spot]

You really want to know what I think? I can't, for the life of me figure out why almost everyone in this god awful culture that appears to be an actual woman is more than most likely a trans. I just don't get it. You compare that with other cultures and subcultures around the world and the furry fandom wins hands down on a ratio per person/gender scale.

[Clove Darkwave]

I fully support trans people and it fascinates me that modern medicine can actually help people to be who they want to be!

The human body is vastly more mutable than most people can imagine. It's almost kind of funny how attached to it we are when you consider that.

[Vallium]

I see. Probably depends a lot on what country they're from or what kind of environments they grew up in.

To be honest I still interact with my parents and relatives on my mom's side of the family as a guy. Mom's side of the family are Jehovah's Witnesses and only my mom, dad and siblings know as far as relatives go (people outside of family and relative know me as a woman, though). I don't wanna make a scene or cause drama like that one time I tried to dress womanly and mom got all dramatic and said she had to go for a ride in her car or some dumb shit like that. >w<

EDIT:

Oh yeah, I haven't had a legal name change yet. Money's been a problem there.

Hey Kellie, so do you pass as your birth sex when you need to so your family doesnt freak out?

Because thats probably the only thing that scares me about transition, is being ostracized because of it, or being a dissapointment, or drama,. Ugh.

Otherwise, I dont really care much who else knows.

Edited November 16, 2015 by WolfNightV4X1

[Kellie Gator]

Hey Kellie, so do you pass as your birth sex when you need to so your family doesnt freak out?

Because thats probably the only thing that scares me about transition, is being ostracized because of it, or being a dissapointment, or drama,. Ugh.

Otherwise, I dont really care much who else knows.

I'm lucky because my parents must be in denial or something. Everyone except my parents think I look female (and once I was confused for my sis).

...they say I'm ugly, though. Ouch. :[

[Eggdodger]

 

The human body is vastly more mutable than most people can imagine. It's almost kind of funny how attached to it we are when you consider that.

I want robot prosthetics

robot arms

robot legs

can i just be a robot

[Phausk]

 

I want robot prosthetics

robot arms

robot legs

can i just be a robot

It'll be possible soon enough. You'd be surprised how good they're getting at robotic prosthetics now

[Käpt'n]

 

I want robot prosthetics

robot arms

robot legs

can i just be a robot

I want to be Genos.