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How do furries find dog, horse, or any face not shaped like a human masterbation material? What's even weirder is when furries make feral porn, how do you even fap to something that has no human shape anywhere?

I think furries who masturbate to furry porn or have sex in fursuits have or fantasized about raping their pets like dogs or cats.

I get concerned everytime I find out a furry porn artist or furries into furry porn have a pet, especially those who are into feral porn.

Are furries just obsessed with dicks, all I see is dicks on Furaffinity if my safe thing is off. Is that all furries care about? Sex? I rarely see any SFW g-rated clean furry art posted on Furaffinity. All the really talented furry artists just draw porn! I can rarely ever favorite their art, because it's just all porn! Nothing ever clean.

And what's so great about dog dicks and horse dicks? I can't imagine a pointy dick like a dog's dick to feel pleasant at all! And horse dicks... Do you have any idea how huge they are?! It can literally kill you if it was shoved in your ass! Have you seen Mr.Hands?! He died because of a horse dick! Yall furries be crazy.

And lastly, why do you furries get so damn butthurt when media mentions sex or porn in the Furry Fandom? Like as if that's the least thing cared about in the fandom? That's pure bullshit if you think that's the very least cared about thing in the Furry Fandom. I've been in the Furry Fandom since 2009, and can tell you the majority of furries just care about porn porn porn sex sex sex!!! So much so, that some clean furry artists had to become dirty just to get good amount of income or money. Sometimes I even feel like I'm the only clean furry that exists...

Thanks for reading about me venting! 😄

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The human brain is a constantly changing and very malleable thing so I can't say I'm all that surprised to see fur porn even just a few months into the fan base(I always use safe search thank you but I have seen it nonetheless). That doesn't make me any less disgusted however and just for reference I am asexual so any porn for me is a turn off. Personally I try my best to keep a good perspective in that there is plenty of good art, music, movies ect that are anthropomorphic and well done. Need I even mention The Lion King, The Madagascar series, Narnia and so on. Yes its a very real problem but its your choice alone on how you position your attitude: enjoy and focus on the positive or seek and hate the negative.

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but...but if the feral has hyoomin facial expressions and sentience is nawt creppy

hurrdurr, the limit really is at anthros with maybe a few animal like qualities, but primarily human. The concepts shouldnt really transfer outside of the actual unrealistic creature as furries do not exist, and its just fantasy. Heck, people are into dragons but dragons dont exist...

In the end, Im only wary if these people have art or show interest geared toward some level of appearing in reality, and thats just creepy and abnormal.

 

 

Also you shouldnt be surprised furries are creepy perverts thats not news and is the primary reason why even furfags point and laugh at the furfags

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Most people with a rape fetish don't want to rape or be raped (non-consensually).

Most people who have a gore fetish don't actually want to be maimed.

Most people with a vore fetish don't want to actually get eaten or eat someone.

Most people who fap to yiff (any kind) don't want to get it on with an animal.

The pattern can be continued for most things.

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I think furries who masturbate to furry porn or have sex in fursuits have or fantasized about raping their pets like dogs or cats.

I get concerned everytime I find out a furry porn artist or furries into furry porn have a pet, especially those who are into feral porn.

I see where you're coming from OP and I totally agree with you.

I have the exact same thoughts concerning furries being anywhere near my pets. <;

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The thing about human sexuality you learn pretty fucking quickly that people will find literally anything sexy. Now I'm not going to go into detail about my shameful masturbation habits because I'm not that much of a horrible weirdo, but the vast majority of people can separate fantasy from reality.

That said if ██████████████████████████████████████ I would do that shit in a heartbeat.

 

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Furries suck in general.

In reference to them viewing, commissioning, and rubbing themselves off to those kinds of pictures; it is commonly known that humans in general tend to like sexual stimulation. It would go to reason that since furries are humans (whether they think it or not) they too would have the same type of trend. It would also go to reason that since furries tend to represent themselves with their own furry personas, that they would too put them into sexual or suggestive poses to help stimulate their sexual desire.

It's not that people want to screw a dog or get screwed by a hose (or most of them I hope), it's that they're trying to merge a part of their life (their furriness) and their sexual life together to help them express their thoughts and ideas. It's kind of like how people dress their fursonas up as superheros or something like that; it's letting people know more about them and their interests.

How people come up with their weird kinks/paraphilias is still up for debate; most of the time these kinks are harmless and shouldn't be made such a big deal because they aren't hurting anyone and are making you happy in the process. However, if your sexual ideals harm anyone who is unwilling or not able to consent then you have a big issue and should get help.

 

My two cents

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What gets shown in one's daydream theatre doesn't need to carry over into real life. My fursona is totally feral and I have commissioned and drawn adult works of her in the past and will continue to oggle at furry and feral porn to my hearts content THANKYOUVERYMUCH. And then go out and chill with my cat or with animals at the zoo and be safe in the knowlegde that I have no intentions of raping them because I can function properly in polite society.

I have no judgement towards what anyone thinks about as long as they don't cause danger to anyone. If you find that anthro tiger fuckable then be my guest, if you find that real tiger at the zoo the sexiest thing on earth that's cool too though I wouldn't reccommend approaching lest you want to be severelly maimed or dead.

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On 7.12.2015 at 10:00 PM, Crystal The Vixen said:

How do furries find dog, horse, or any face not shaped like a human masterbation material? What's even weirder is when furries make feral porn, how do you even fap to something that has no human shape anywhere?

I think furries who masturbate to furry porn or have sex in fursuits have or fantasized about raping their pets like dogs or cats.

I get concerned everytime I find out a furry porn artist or furries into furry porn have a pet, especially those who are into feral porn.

Are furries just obsessed with dicks, all I see is dicks on Furaffinity if my safe thing is off. Is that all furries care about? Sex? I rarely see any SFW g-rated clean furry art posted on Furaffinity. All the really talented furry artists just draw porn! I can rarely ever favorite their art, because it's just all porn! Nothing ever clean.

And what's so great about dog dicks and horse dicks? I can't imagine a pointy dick like a dog's dick to feel pleasant at all! And horse dicks... Do you have any idea how huge they are?! It can literally kill you if it was shoved in your ass! Have you seen Mr.Hands?! He died because of a horse dick! Yall furries be crazy.

And lastly, why do you furries get so damn butthurt when media mentions sex or porn in the Furry Fandom? Like as if that's the least thing cared about in the fandom? That's pure bullshit if you think that's the very least cared about thing in the Furry Fandom. I've been in the Furry Fandom since 2009, and can tell you the majority of furries just care about porn porn porn sex sex sex!!! So much so, that some clean furry artists had to become dirty just to get good amount of income or money. Sometimes I even feel like I'm the only clean furry that exists...

Thanks for reading about me venting! 😄

Cough i am a clean furry i hate porn, its gross 

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On 12/7/2015 at 4:47 PM, Zeke said:

Hello 4chan circa 2005!

Furries are still b& on 4chan. With the exception being /trash/.

 

Having thoughts and acting on those thoughts are different things. That being said, I don't trust any of you dog fuckers around a husky. 

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On 12/7/2015 at 2:05 PM, Kalmor said:

Most people with a rape fetish don't want to rape or be raped (non-consensually).

Most people who have a gore fetish don't actually want to be maimed.

Most people with a vore fetish don't want to actually get eaten or eat someone.

Most people who fap to yiff (any kind) don't want to get it on with an animal.

The pattern can be continued for most things.

dingdingding, we have a winner! 

This very good point aside, who gives a fuck what people get off to? It's not like they can help it. OP I can 100% guarantee that somebody finds something that you're into sexually to be perverse and disgusting too. I don't think it's wrong to be aroused by anything, even terribly taboo things like animals or children, as long as you don't act on those attractions and do terrible things. For instance, I have no qualms with pedophiles whatsoever, but I think child molesters are horrible people. There is a distinction.

 

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Just now, willow said:

some would argue that there are some things you can help being attracted to

I dunno, arousal has never been a conscious thing to me, it always feels more like a reflex. It's not like I look at something and decide "oh yeah, I'm gonna be super turned on by that now." It's more like I see it and then bam, I'm turned on if I think it's hot. You can become aroused on purpose, sure, but that's only by thinking about stuff you already know turns you on.

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11 minutes ago, willow said:

some would argue that there are some things you can help being attracted to

I think you're thinking in terms of action, where @MuttButt is thinking of a literal physiological response. The only conclusion I make under "attraction" is "I now have a boner or feel feelings that equate to sexual desires". More often than not, this can be dissociated with how you actually respond to it in the conscious entirely, and this can even lead to thoughts that distort the arousal, but there is still something that has subconscious reactions with your interest when you look at it.

Just my two cents, I might be in the wrong here.

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26 minutes ago, evan said:

I think you're thinking in terms of action, where @MuttButt is thinking of a literal physiological response. The only conclusion I make under "attraction" is "I now have a boner or feel feelings that equate to sexual desires". More often than not, this can be dissociated with how you actually respond to it in the conscious entirely, and this can even lead to thoughts that distort the arousal, but there is still something that has subconscious reactions with your interest when you look at it.

Just my two cents, I might be in the wrong here.

The "but...eww" response, in my case (not sexually aroused by anything) it's looking at genitalia and realising they just look gross, when you start thinking of all details.

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Fetishes don't necessarily overlap with literal reality.

For example, there are a lot of things that seem sexy set within the confines of one's imagination that would NOT be fun, safe, or sexy in real life.

Also, wanting to fuck a cartoon dog-person is not automatically the same thing as wanting to fuck a real dog, because cartoons are different from reality, and animal-people are not the same as animals. No doubt there are zoophiles who jerk off to cartoon animal people, too, but there are other potential reasons someone might like to jerk it to cartoon animal-people besides that.

Additionally, it would seem that most furry art is actually non-pornographic: https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/3ezbuy/is_furry_art_mostly_porn_i_have_some_data_for_you/

I think the dick-a-palooza is due to so many furries being sexually attracted to males, and many male furries in particular enjoying fantasizing about themselves/their characters.

But, I actually agree that furries have a tendency to get overly defensive and butthurt whenever someone mentions (or even seems like they might mention) sex or pornography, to the point of it sometimes screaming "Methinks thou dost protest too much" (especially when some of those same furries are avid porn aficionados themselves). Uncle Kage is entirely right that we need to stop planting those images in people's heads if we don't want people to have those images in their heads.

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On 12/11/2015 at 4:55 PM, Troj said:

Also, wanting to fuck a cartoon dog-person is not automatically the same thing as wanting to fuck a real dog.

The way I've explained it to people at work who can't fathom the idea of people being attracted to an anthropomorphic character (and I could be completely wrong, but this is one of my theories) is that anthros are basically aliens, and we have no problems wanting to fuck aliens (unless it's like, E.T. or something). I heard that James Cameron's art direction for the Na'vi was this phrase, "Would you do her?" Granted the Na'vi were--for all intents and purposes--tall blue people with cat noses, but you can make a similar argument about the furry design aesthetic.

On 12/11/2015 at 4:55 PM, Troj said:

Additionally, it would seem that most furry art is actually non-pornographic: https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/3ezbuy/is_furry_art_mostly_porn_i_have_some_data_for_you/

When people say, "furry art is mostly porn," they don't mean it literally. Of course it's not mostly porn, it just seems like it compared to everything else. Even though their data suggests it's far less than half, at about 25% porn (interesting post by the way). Think about it. 25% of artwork out of an entire fandom that is ostensibly about creating animal characters and their stories is porn? 25% is a lot compared to other things you could be drawing to tell stories.

When I was interviewing furries and asked them about the porn, they would say things like, "But look at the anime fandom and their hentai, yaoi, and tentacle porn." Anime was frequently brought up as the best comparison of the amount of and variety of fetishes in the furry fandom.

So 25% of furry art is porn. Congrats that it is not over 50%, but that doesn't change people's exposure to furry art.

I wanted to compare furry art to what is regarded as the runner up in fandoms that have a lot of fan service: anime/mange. I just went on DeviantArt and tallied up the Anime/Manga and Anthro categories. I put the artwork into three groups: clean, fetish (inflation, mostly naked or undressing, etc.), and mature (showing genitals or female nipples). Keep in mind that I have given a hall pass to a couple dozen works in the Anthro category because many anthro characters had cartoon or fur-as-clothing anatomy, with naked breasts but no nipples. Those went into the clean category, even though some I would regard some of it as fetish art, but I had to be fair. To replicate people doing honest research into the fandom, I used the "What's Hot" section which is intended to show the highest quality work on DeviantArt.

        Manga/Anime  Anthro      
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Clean   116  82%     89  61%      26% less clean art
Fetish   17  13%     46  31%      238% more fetish art
Mature    0          12   8%      ∞ more mature/adult art (out of that sample size)

I was totally expecting to at least see some exposed nipples in the Manga/Anime category, but to my surprise that didn't happen.

I hate to rain on the parade, but it's important to be honest about data by making comparisons. Who cares if the "mostly porn" statement isn't technically true. Those numbers up there is what people are seeing when they see furry art on a general site that doesn't allow porn, which you'd think would give the furry fandom the best chance at a good first impression.

On 12/11/2015 at 4:55 PM, Troj said:

But, I actually agree that furries have a tendency to get overly defensive and butthurt whenever someone mentions (or even seems like they might mention) sex or pornography, to the point of it sometimes screaming "Methinks thou dost protest too much" (especially when some of those same furries are avid porn aficionados themselves). Uncle Kage is entirely right that we need to stop planting those images in people's heads if we don't want people to have those images in their heads.

I talked a bit before about my teaching experience and the defensiveness I witnessed with students who I was pretty sure were furry. Not bringing it up so frequently would help, but that's not the big problem. Our perception of people is it's largely based on what they do and what they produce. We know how much more fetish and porn gets released in the furry fandom compared to other very sexualized fandoms because we can actually see and count the difference.

Is that Uncle Kage guy suggestion that furries shouldn't talk about porn so much, or shouldn't be releasing porn so much?

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4 hours ago, diretractor said:

The way I've explained it to people at work who can't fathom the idea of people being attracted to an anthropomorphic character (and I could be completely wrong, but this is one of my theories) is that anthros are basically aliens, and we have no problems wanting to fuck aliens (unless it's like, E.T. or something). I heard that James Cameron's art direction for the Na'vi was this phrase, "Would you do her?" Granted the Na'vi were--for all intents and purposes--tall blue people with cat noses, but you can make a similar argument about the furry design aesthetic.

 

Interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I've often wondered whether being attracted to anthros in at least some cases is more about being overwhelmed or turned off by realistic human character than it is about being attracted to anthro-type or alien-type beings per se.

So, for some people, maybe looking directly at human porn or human erotica is akin to looking directly into the sun, while looking at porn of humanlike non-humans is like wearing sunglasses, or viewing the sun through a pinhole projector.

4 hours ago, diretractor said:

When people say, "furry art is mostly porn," they don't mean it literally. Of course it's not mostly porn, it just seems like it compared to everything else. Even though their data suggests it's far less than half, at about 25% porn (interesting post by the way). Think about it. 25% of artwork out of an entire fandom that is ostensibly about creating animal characters and their stories is porn? 25% is a lot compared to other things you could be drawing to tell stories.

When I was interviewing furries and asked them about the porn, they would say things like, "But look at the anime fandom and their hentai, yaoi, and tentacle porn." Anime was frequently brought up as the best comparison of the amount of and variety of fetishes in the furry fandom.

So 25% of furry art is porn. Congrats that it is not over 50%, but that doesn't change people's exposure to furry art.

I wanted to compare furry art to what is regarded as the runner up in fandoms that have a lot of fan service: anime/mange. I just went on DeviantArt and tallied up the Anime/Manga and Anthro categories. I put the artwork into three groups: clean, fetish (inflation, mostly naked or undressing, etc.), and mature (showing genitals or female nipples). Keep in mind that I have given a hall pass to a couple dozen works in the Anthro category because many anthro characters had cartoon or fur-as-clothing anatomy, with naked breasts but no nipples. Those went into the clean category, even though some I would regard some of it as fetish art, but I had to be fair. To replicate people doing honest research into the fandom, I used the "What's Hot" section which is intended to show the highest quality work on DeviantArt.


        Manga/Anime  Anthro      
        -----------  ----------  
Clean   116  82%     89  61%      26% less clean art
Fetish   17  13%     46  31%      238% more fetish art
Mature    0          12   8%      ∞ more mature/adult art (out of that sample size)

I was totally expecting to at least see some exposed nipples in the Manga/Anime category, but to my surprise that didn't happen.

I hate to rain on the parade, but it's important to be honest about data by making comparisons. Who cares if the "mostly porn" statement isn't technically true. Those numbers up there is what people are seeing when they see furry art on a general site that doesn't allow porn, which you'd think would give the furry fandom the best chance at a good first impression.

Interesting.

I think some people do mean "all furry art is porn" pretty literally, actually, because I've even run into people who'll insist that clean furry art isn't really furry because it's clean. That sort of thing annoys me.

But, you're right that this is generally about people's first or overall impressions, and not about what percentage of art is technically porn. 25% is still a sizable chunk.

I also wonder if other fandoms are better about confining their porn or erotica to niche sites than furries are. Furries generally have habit of posting their clean art alongside their porn. Thoughts?

4 hours ago, diretractor said:

I talked a bit before about my teaching experience and the defensiveness I witnessed with students who I was pretty sure were furry. Not bringing it up so frequently would help, but that's not the big problem. Our perception of people is it's largely based on what they do and what they produce. We know how much more fetish and porn gets released in the furry fandom compared to other very sexualized fandoms because we can actually see and count the difference.

Is that Uncle Kage guy suggestion that furries shouldn't talk about porn so much, or shouldn't be releasing porn so much?

Uncle Kage does the "Furry in the Media" panel fairly frequently at different cons.

Basically, he says that when furries lead with what they AREN'T, that still plants a bunch of images in other people's heads, and comes across as suspicious or weird besides.

Furries have a tendency to become immediately defensive and nervous, and babble on and on about how they're not sex perverts to people who weren't even thinking of going there.

Uncle Kage mostly just urges people to think about how they present themselves, and how their personal behavior and presentation affects the community.

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There are a lot of zoophiles and pedophiles in the fandom. Remember that. We wish we could get rid of them all, but they keep popping up.

It's all because this is really two fandoms: one is a fandom for people who like anthro animals (but seem to not know how anthro animals act), and the other is, well, very sexual and very fetishy.

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4 hours ago, Troj said:

because I've even run into people who'll insist that clean furry art isn't really furry because it's clean. That sort of thing annoys me.

For most people, if the characters look furry then it's furry, and if the characters are cartoony and fucking then it's furry. I interviewed some people that wished "furry" would refer to just the porn and "anthro" would refer to everything else. If it's a furry insisting that it's only "furry" if it's porn, then maybe they are saying that to try and push that agenda of renaming the genre for clarity and separating anthropomorphic characters from porn.

4 hours ago, Troj said:

I also wonder if other fandoms are better about confining their porn or erotica to niche sites than furries are. Furries generally have habit of posting their clean art alongside their porn. Thoughts?

Yes, absolutely. I get the feeling that because porn is a significant source of money for furries, that non-porn sites would not be supported by the furry community.

Queston: Is anyone willing to share some data about how much commission work they get that's porn versus non-porn? Regrettably I was not able to interview any high-profile furry artists (not formally anyway), and the artists I did interview were uncomfortable talking about the porn they draw or how much money they make doing it. I get the impression that the furry fandom is the way it is because of the business aspect of it, but I have not been able to get any good financial data on it (and it doesn't influence our design choices in any way, so it's not worth the time when I'm on the clock). Perhaps I should create a separate thread on that because I've been curious, or maybe research on that already exists that someone knows about?

It also helps that other fandoms are about different settings and stories, whereas the only thing that sets furry apart is the character design, how a character looks. This lack of story-focused illustration and an unbalanced focus on OCs (even if you disregard the increased amount of fetish or mature art) communicates to people what furry's core values are whether it's true or not. Damage control through PR can help, but it only changes what people read from furries, not what people see from furries, which influences people's opinions much more.

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4 hours ago, diretractor said:

For most people, if the characters look furry then it's furry, and if the characters are cartoony and fucking then it's furry. I interviewed some people that wished "furry" would refer to just the porn and "anthro" would refer to everything else. If it's a furry insisting that it's only "furry" if it's porn, then maybe they are saying that to try and push that agenda of renaming the genre for clarity and separating anthropomorphic characters from porn.

The ship's already sailed, from what I can see, so there's not much use splitting these hairs ("furry" vs. "anthro") after the fact.

Drawing that kind of distinction also potentially implies that the line between porn and not-porn is clear and unambiguous, and/or implies that porn needs to be separated out because it's "bad."

I'd roll my eyes if a bunch of goodguy-badge-polishers all started sniffing about how they're anthro fans, not furries, ugh.

That said, it would be nice if I didn't always have to have my filters up and my blacklist armed in order to not see porn or fetish art. I'd be happy to just have the porn be on clear porn sites, and actually have sites for G and PG art. But, that's me.

You're probably right that people are likely worried about not being able to make money or get clicks if they don't do porn--and that worry isn't irrational or unreasonable by any means!

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3 hours ago, Troj said:

That said, it would be nice if I didn't always have to have my filters up and my blacklist armed in order to not see porn or fetish art. I'd be happy to just have the porn be on clear porn sites, and actually have sites for G and PG art. But, that's me.

That is the standard elsewhere. I think you've hit the nail on the head on why people think that furry is just about porn because there is no separation like what other communities have. All furry sites look like porn sites.

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Yep, I think we've pinpointed the major problem here.

On the shoulders of this, it annoys me when a lot of fetish art isn't tagged as "mature" or "adult," or isn't otherwise tagged in a way that you could easily avoid seeing art that was created specifically with fappery in mind if you wanted to.

I also think more furry sites should allow people to create different galleries or favorites lists, and allow them to privatize or even hide those lists if they so choose.

It probably says something (good, bad, or both) about the furry community that it seemingly didn't occur to these sites' designers to include features like these, and that people apparently haven't demanded them.

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