WolfyAmbassador Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Which rich lying motherfucker do you want in the White House this time? Edited March 23, 2016 by WolfyAmbassador 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless/Nameless Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Caesar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vae Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrishaCat Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Bernie Sanders, but considering the current way the primaries are moving I don't think its going to happen. ;_; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'm not a burger, but if I was I'd vote for Trump. I say that as being from the part of the world that has seen a lot of socialism. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Depends. I just may stay home and prep for the new world order by stockpiling lots of guns. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDingo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 27 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said: I'm not a burger, but if I was I'd vote for Trump. I say that as being from the part of the world that has seen a lot of socialism. If people don't pay their way for public services, you get awful situations like Greece. They didn't tax their people; now they're in desperate debt. If you pay for public services using a tax system, the people who pay their way the most are the rich people. That's how it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conker Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sanders if I can vote for him; Clinton if I can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sanders best aligns with my views regarding privacy, intellectual property, education, expenditures/views on science and technology research, trade, and foreign policy; the criteria I generally base my vote on. However, the primaries do not seem to be going his way. Hilary roughly aligns with my views on about half of those. Trump barely aligns on one maybe two, but I can't get a real fix on how he'd handle things. Unless Trump can really pull off some super convincing (like hypnosis-level stuff) or Clinton dies during the campaign or something, I'll probably be voting for the Clinton dynasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 I was hoping Kasich would lead, because he's the most reasonable out of the GOP, but since Trump and Cruz are the only two frontrunners I'll probably pick Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 1 minute ago, DrDingo said: If people don't pay their way for public services, you get awful situations like Greece. They didn't tax their people; now they're in desperate debt. If you pay for public services using a tax system, the people who pay their way the most are the rich people. That's how it should be. Greece has a 29% corporate tax rate and a 48% income tax rate, and finally a 20% sales tax rate. Greek work hours also average at 42 hours weekly while we average at 36 in the UK. The Greek debt problem is far more complex than "not paying enough taxes." Their rates are higher than ours. And if you tax the rich so much, they're going to do more to avoid paying taxes, or not set up shop in the country at all, or at least find any way possible to pay less for labour or replace labour with something else. Socialists have a serious tendency to forget that there is a very real relationship between the top classes and the bottom classes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilBear Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 This pains me to say it... but it's going to come down to Trump/Clinton. And there's no way on God's green Earth I will vote for Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 15 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said: Greece has a 29% corporate tax rate and a 48% income tax rate, and finally a 20% sales tax rate. Greek work hours also average at 42 hours weekly while we average at 36 in the UK. The Greek debt problem is far more complex than "not paying enough taxes." Their rates are higher than ours. And if you tax the rich so much, they're going to do more to avoid paying taxes, or not set up shop in the country at all, or at least find any way possible to pay less for labour or replace labour with something else. Socialists have a serious tendency to forget that there is a very real relationship between the top classes and the bottom classes. 27 minutes ago, DrDingo said: If people don't pay their way for public services, you get awful situations like Greece. They didn't tax their people; now they're in desperate debt. If you pay for public services using a tax system, the people who pay their way the most are the rich people. That's how it should be. The President cannot propose legislation and their impact on the economy is ultimately negligible outside of emergencies and unique cases. They may lead their parties, but if they are not sufficiently in control of congress, they have little hope for their agenda. You don't have to vote straight ticket, either. A careful balance is more effective at encouraging proper compromise anyways. These things make little sense to vote for a President based on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Doggo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, DrGravitas said: The President cannot propose legislation and their impact on the economy is ultimately negligible outside of emergencies and unique cases. They may lead their parties, but if they are not sufficiently in control of congress, they have little hope for their agenda. You don't have to vote straight ticket, either. A careful balance is more effective at encouraging proper compromise anyways. These things make little sense to vote for a President based on. What about executive orders? Obama and Bush have pulled off like 300 of those each, and other presidents have done more than that. How do those work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaende Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) None of the above. I plan to vote for a third party candidate. Edited March 23, 2016 by Xaende 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clove Darkwave Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Zoltan Istvan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerig Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 MAGA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sanders if he gets the nomination, Clinton if he doesn't 12 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said: What about executive orders? Obama and Bush have pulled off like 300 of those each, and other presidents have done more than that. How do those work? Executive Orders aren't exactly laws per se, though they have the same power. they're kind of a way to overstep Congress in a state of emergency and I believe they're also used to enforce some preexisting statutes or something along those lines. a lot of initiatives are executive orders too basically they're special permission given by the President to some other agency to do something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGravitas Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 20 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said: What about executive orders? Obama and Bush have pulled off like 300 of those each, and other presidents have done more than that. How do those work? Executive orders deal with the inner workings of the government. It doesn't magically grant anything that legislation doesn't already, it mere sets down specifics on how those laws are to be implemented and officially interpreted. The biggest issues with them stem from ambiguities in the legislation that provides leeway to a President for interpretation. Encouraging further legislation to clamp down on them by eliminating ambiguity or closing loop holes are a better direction that trying to vote in Presidents that won't produce exploitative executive orders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Trump since my vote is ultimately worthless anyways seeing as I live in good ol' Massachusetts. 29 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said: What about executive orders? Obama and Bush have pulled off like 300 of those each, and other presidents have done more than that. How do those work? Executive orders are basically the way a president can get something done without fucking about with congress, assuming there isn't pre-existing legislation that explicitly goes against it. Obviously there's a whole debate about what is considered an appropriate use of such power, or when it's basically just a way to effectively skip the entire legislative process (although congress can attempt to fight an executive order in various ways). But the point is that despite popular belief, the president isn't completely powerless in the event of an opposing majority in congress. Edited March 23, 2016 by PastryOfApathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toboe Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, PastryOfApathy said: Trump since my vote is ultimately worthless anyways seeing as I live in good ol' Massachusetts. Who would you vote for if your vote wasn't worthless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Just now, Toboe said: Who would you vote for if your vote wasn't worthless? Probably still Trump. Clinton is the world's most disingenuous human being and a massive cunt. Trump isn't much better, but at least he's funny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 I like Trump's sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalletFace Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Sir Gibby said: What about executive orders? Obama and Bush have pulled off like 300 of those each, and other presidents have done more than that. How do those work? Executive orders act on powers granted to the executive branch in any way. They are one of the major - and few - ways a president actually has to act as an executive. Orders that act on a power granted to the president by the Constitution, a treaty, or an act of Congress do not need to be approved by our legislature. For example, Executive Order 13687 - an order sanctioning North Korea - lists the Constitution and at least 5 different acts as the power behind the order. Orders that do not act on a power granted to the president by the Constitution, a treaty, or an act of Congress must be approved by our legislature. They are treated as a new bill and will probably not be called an executive order if and when they are passed. I am not aware of very many orders of this kind after F.D.R. When legislators and judicial officials complain about executive orders being used as a breach of the Constitution, it is normally because they don't like the current president, they don't like the piece of legislation, the part of the Constitution, or the treaty giving the president power, or they want to use this to help them in an election. They have the full force of the law, too, as it is the direct and indirect will of the Congress that gives them power. As they act as laws, they may also be subject to amendment and judicial review by our Supreme Court. Most executive orders eliminated by judicial review were those of F.D.R. dealing with labor. You can view the text of most executive orders from 1945 onward here. Most of them even go so far as to list specific sections of acts that give the president power to make that order, so that's handy. Edited March 23, 2016 by MalletFace 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willow Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, WolfyAmbassador said: I like Trump's sense of humor. I too find the ramblings of the mentally handicapped to be enjoyable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, willow said: I too find the ramblings of the mentally handicapped to be enjoyable That's fucking ableist as shit! Edited March 23, 2016 by WolfyAmbassador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Vermin Supreme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 none. I don't know how many times I said this, but I don't like any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, BlitzCo said: none. I don't know how many times I said this, but I don't like any of them. Well, who best aligns with your views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I might stay home for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 19 minutes ago, WolfyAmbassador said: Well, who best aligns with your views? When I took the isidewith.com quiz, I got high 90s for the libertarian candidates (Gary Johnson, Austin Peterson, and a few others.) There are several aspects of the GOP I don't like, and I sure as hell ain't a democrat either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastryOfApathy Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 14 minutes ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: I might stay home for this one. At least vote in your local elections. Those are the real important ones that actually impact you directly. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 minute ago, BlitzCo said: When I took the isidewith.com quiz, I got high 90s for the libertarian candidates (Gary Johnson, Austin Peterson, and a few others.) There are several aspects of the GOP I don't like, and I sure as hell ain't a democrat either. I'm pretty much alt-right thanks to social media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Did It For The Cat Girls Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, WolfyAmbassador said: I'm pretty much alt-right thanks to social media. This was glaringly obvious from the get-go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, I Did It For The Cat Girls said: This was glaringly obvious from the get-go. Well to be honest, I never knew the term existed up until the recent uprising of division and political conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revates Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I'm not from Freedomland but if I was, I'd vote for Shillary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamedog Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Dolan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Sometimes I wish Putin could be a candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazerMaster5 Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Free KFC for all! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 15 hours ago, WolfyAmbassador said: I'm pretty much alt-right thanks to social media. Social media is the reason I jumped from being a neocon to a libertarian What type of alt-righter are you? NatSoc? civic nationalist? NRx? 7 hours ago, Revates said: I'm not from Freedomland but if I was, I'd vote for Shillary. Bruh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 minute ago, BlitzCo said: Social media is the reason I jumped from being a neocon to a libertarian What type of alt-righter are you? NatSoc? civic nationalist? NRx? Bruh What's a neocon anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETME Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 A stereotype conservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallium Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 What no Smitty WerbenJagerMenJensen? You guys....he's #1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfyAmbassador Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 2 hours ago, BlitzCo said: A stereotype conservative What made you change from a neocon to a libertarian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 On 3/23/2016 at 5:46 PM, Sir Gibby said: I'm not a burger, but if I was I'd vote for Trump. I say that as being from the part of the world that has seen a lot of socialism. You'd think those wallstreet speculators would dress better. Also, you must really hate those trains and the NHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfish Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Well, the GOP is never going to successfully elect another person again as long as they keep doing their retarded racism and homophobia shit, so they're all off my list. Then it comes down to Hillary or Bernie, and Hillary is a two-face liar. So there ya go, Bernie it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Lee Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 Vermin Supreme... being a brony filth I want my fucking free pony. Or, Deez Nutz if I don't think Vermin will win. On 3/23/2016 at 7:11 PM, Zerig said: MAGA "Donald Trump is a joke" I bet every single one of them wishes they could take that shit back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieono Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) I'll be voting for/voted for Sanders. Doesn't matter if he wins or not; I vote for people who share my ideals. Edited March 25, 2016 by Ieono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcstinks Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I love in the USA and am of voting age but do not vote. Mostly so that when this question comes up, I can piss off literally everybody. 23 minutes ago, Lucyfish said: Well, the GOP is never going to successfully elect another person again as long as they keep doing their retarded racism and homophobia shit, so they're all off my list. That is exactly why they are going to win. Most people are terrible, and they appeal to terrible people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucyfish Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, jcstinks said: That is exactly why they are going to win. Most people are terrible, and they appeal to terrible people. I like to think we're slowly getting better as time goes on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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